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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why Trump could legitamately do well with African-American voters. on: August 26, 2016, 07:11:50 am
The fact of the matter is, no one is going to care about some 'Politico article."
What people remember is that trump made the biggest "thing" about it, since the invention of sliced bread.
And besides, just because someone else started the rumor, doesn't excuse trump for believing in something so stupid (Obama birtherism), and then shouting like a crazy idiot in the streets that the sky is falling !
Do you understand ?  ..... trump looked like a total clown when he did this.
It does matter when the person who sowed the racist seeds of doubt in the first place is the person he is literally running against. It matters that it's out of Politico because like Hillary's emails, it's not some right-wing smear out of Drudge or Breitbart, it's out of the liberal media. Trump isn't going to willingly go there, as he has nothing to gain, but Clinton damn well knows that if she goes there, he will hit her back. Clinton's hit him on just about everything already, and if she thought going there would be a net benefit for her, she would have.

Aren't you like the anti-Oldiesfreak? You like the Republican Party with all the non-racist parts taken out, and are turned off by rhetoric about being the "party of Lincoln"?
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald is starting to sound a lot like Jeb Bush on immigration. on: August 25, 2016, 05:36:33 pm
Kellyanne Conway sweating like a dog! Sad!
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Political Megathread: Let's get political on: August 21, 2016, 09:59:41 pm
I'm confused. What is this thread for? This entire forum is about politics. Why on earth would we need a "mega thread about Clinton and Trump" when that's all the 2016 US Presidential Election sub-forum is about?
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Johnson: Romney, Leavitt "guaranteed" places in my administration on: August 21, 2016, 09:57:56 pm
Johnson seems set to hit 5% and get you guys lots of money by matching funds et al. I wouldn't complain if I were you.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NC-Gravis Marketing: Trump+1, Clinton+1 on: August 21, 2016, 10:44:13 am
Sad to see Stein clutching on to Johnson's coattails like the veritable loser she is, despite not even being on the ballot!
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Johnson: Romney, Leavitt "guaranteed" places in my administration on: August 21, 2016, 10:40:50 am
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On Friday, former Gov. Gary Johnson offered a guarantee.

“If Mitt Romney wants to be a part of the administration, that would be a guarantee.”

The comments came at Friday’s joint Deseret News-KSL editorial board meeting with Johnson and Bill Weld.

I asked Johnson what role, if any, Romney might play in a Johnson-Weld administration. Although the Libertarian nominee seemed to doubt whether Romney would really be interested, he said the former Republican presidential nominee would be free to, in essence, choose his own adventure.

“I think [the position] would be for Mitt Romney to decide … and I say that with reverence to his skills as a business person and having run the Olympics.”

Johnson, for his part, went on to praise yet another political juggernaut in Utah: “I always thought that Gov. Mike Leavitt would be an ideal secretary of state.”

Weld concurred, calling him “my favorite,” and saying “I nominated him for president.” Johnson then exclaimed, “I did too, I did too!”

“I said to Mike Leavitt in New York,” Johnson continued, “Mike, if you ever decided to run for president, you’re my guy.”

http://beta.deseretnews.com/article/865660664/Gary-Johnson-wants-Mitt-Romney-and-Michael-Leavitt-in-administration.html?pg=all
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Sanders be performing relative to Clinton.? on: August 21, 2016, 10:35:00 am
I feel like the electorate would have woken up to the whole "socialist" thing and freaked out accordingly at some point.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much would Rubio/Kasich/Walker be leading Hillary by? on: August 21, 2016, 10:33:17 am
I don't think Rubio would be ahead. He strikes me as a lightweight who'd be in over his head.

But "he wouldn't make it through a primary" is no reason a candidate couldn't win in the GE. Indeed, as we all know, electability in the GOP primary is a poor predictor of future success. Don't be hacks, people.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So What Happens to The McLaughlin Group? on: August 21, 2016, 12:16:55 am
There's more than enough inane "who won the week"-style punditry on national news programs without it, so my hope that it will be cancelled.

Or they could ask Trevor Noah to host it, I guess.

Hey, I like Trevor Noah!
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Donates 18 Wheeler Full of Supplies to Victims in Louisiana on: August 20, 2016, 04:34:45 pm
About 5% of the stuff this guy does makes me think he's got the common touch in a way that leads to landslides and realignments. Then there's the other 95%.

Now I'm getting legitimately scared here folks. Also, there's nothing wrong with giving toys to kids.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GE Wk 3: Who won the week? on: August 20, 2016, 04:27:53 pm
Trump would have won it by virtue of low expectations had he not ended it by replacing his campaign manager yet again.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How much would Rubio/Kasich/Walker be leading Hillary by? on: August 20, 2016, 04:23:00 pm
Kasich +4
Rubio  -2
Walker -4

Something like this.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 19, 2016, 09:18:59 pm
Winfield, you're not supporting Trump, are you?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: FBI Clinton notes leaks megathread - Powell denies gave Clinton server idea on: August 19, 2016, 07:18:46 pm
This is very silly of the Congressional Republicans.

At the same time, the "she's old and can't be expected to know the details of emails!" is perhaps the worst excuse ever conceived.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 19, 2016, 07:10:46 pm
I believe with just two weeks to go before the 2012 election, that Obama, up for re-election by the way, conveniently found time to pay a personal visit to New Jersey during the devastating floods that struck New Jersey.

Yet since the 2016 election is not until November, and since he is not up for re-election, he can find no time to visit Louisiana.

Stop posting lies.  He is going there Tuesday.

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Obama will travel to Baton Rouge on Tuesday, press secretary Josh Earnest said, noting that Obama’s team reached that date after coordinating with state officials.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/obama-louisiana-flooding-visit-227209

Stop with the self-righteousness. This was just announced, maybe just an hour ago.

And the governor already went on national TV and said he preferred Obama to come at a later date before the OBAMA ISN"T GOING TO LOUISIANA lie was posted.  So please stop the partisan hackery.

Ryanair!
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Foundation To Bar Foreign And Corporate Donations If Hillary Wins on: August 19, 2016, 04:36:35 pm
I agree with Averroes and Virginia, and can't really add anything that they haven't said.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 19, 2016, 04:20:56 pm
I believe with just two weeks to go before the 2012 election, that Obama, up for re-election by the way, conveniently found time to pay a personal visit to New Jersey during the devastating floods that struck New Jersey.

Yet since the 2016 election is not until November, and since he is not up for re-election, he can find no time to visit Louisiana.

Stop posting lies.  He is going there Tuesday.

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Obama will travel to Baton Rouge on Tuesday, press secretary Josh Earnest said, noting that Obama’s team reached that date after coordinating with state officials.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/obama-louisiana-flooding-visit-227209

Stop with the self-righteousness. This was just announced, maybe just an hour ago.
18  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Racist Moderators on: August 19, 2016, 09:13:07 am
I'll have it known that I'll brook no criticism of ag!
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Oremine on: August 19, 2016, 09:10:28 am
Republican anti-semitism. Right.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 19, 2016, 07:55:54 am
Do you people not see your hypocrisy? Are you so blind?!

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What a weird moment in U.S. presidential history.

Hurricane Katrina, a Category 3 storm, had smashed into the Gulf South. People were drowning. And the president of the United States played guitar in San Diego, egged on by country singer Mark Wills.

Even George W. Bush’s most stalwart supporters cringed at his disconnect from reality. Bush, like Michael Jackson in his days at Neverland Ranch, was living in a bubble. By contrast, when Hurricane Betsy had struck the Louisiana coast in 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson had immediately flown to New Orleans to see the flood zone firsthand. The difference was glaring. Bush was, quite simply—as Coast Guard first-responder Jimmy Duckworth phrased it—“out of the game.”

The biggest mistake of all was one of optics. Bush chose to fly over New Orleans in Air Force One instead of doing an on-the-ground inspection—a clear sign of aloofness, indeed, of fear. The photo-op of the man in charge staring out the window of his plane was disastrous. No one expected the president to go to the Lower Ninth Ward and pull people out of houses. But making a detour above the disaster zone was the sight of a man slumming, a man in a bubble, a man deluged.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/hurricane-katrina-george-w-bush-new-orleans

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While all this was going on, the president of the United States remained aloof from the disaster. Day after day, George W. Bush continued a long-planned vacation at his 1,600-acre Prairie Chapel Ranch in Crawford, Texas, and his staff didn't want to burden him with detailed information about the situation on the Gulf Coast. When Katrina made landfall, Bush had been on holiday at his ranch for 27 days, according to a tabulation kept by CBS News.

As the hurricane grew into a catastrophe, and as the nation watched the TV coverage in horror, Bush's aides decided they had to inform the president about it in stark terms. One of his aides put together a video showing scenes of hurricane-ravaged communities and showed it to the president. At this point, Bush decided he should cut his vacation short and return home two days early to preside over the federal response from Washington. He flew back to Washington on August 31, after 29 days at his ranch.

Bush declined to visit the devastated area right away. White House aides said at the time that Bush didn't want to cause disruptions in rescue and recovery efforts by diverting security and communications to himself. But Bush allies privately conceded that he could have quickly visited somewhere along the Gulf Coast with minimal disruption, perhaps a staging site, to show solidarity with victims of the hurricane and the first responders.

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/28/hurricane-katrina-was-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-george-w-bush

Goodness gracious, people. Really? Really?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 19, 2016, 07:45:33 am
I don't recall any such excuses being made for Bush in 2005. But now that one of your own is in office, you're falling over yourselves to "understand" Obama's actions, or lack thereof.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: "I regret my comments which I have caused others personal pains." on: August 18, 2016, 08:06:06 pm
This simply makes me hate him even more. Does he think we're stupid?

It will work for many.

Inshallah, this will last only today. Let Trump be Trump!
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Trump starts acting more conventionally, does he lose his base? on: August 18, 2016, 07:57:58 pm
Inshallah, this will last only today.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama golfs while Louisiana sinks.......... on: August 18, 2016, 06:17:56 pm
It's clear that people place value on leaders simply showing their face in times in crisis, that they're concerned enough by their plight to assess the situation on the ground. There's no reason leaders shouldn't be able to follow disasters from afar, sure, but it's generally regarded as bad optics when powerful politicians use their privilege to avoid dealing with one in person, especially when they're vacationing on Hawaii during a flood or on Bermuda during a snowstorm. People value actions more than they do words. This is normal.

President Obama should at least pop over and show his face for this reason alone. The fact that his party lambasted Bush for his aloof response to Katrina should provide only more incentive for doing so, lest they be accused of hypocrisy during an election year. He'll have plenty of time for vacations in just a few more months.

They voted for McCain and Romney. Let those two handle the mess. Both of them have plenty of money.

This is bad and you should feel bad.
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mother and son in love in N.M. will go to jail to defend their relationship on: August 18, 2016, 04:58:53 pm
Well, of course, "pro-choice" is ultimately a euphemism. When you are vigorously opposed to any notion that the yet-to-be-born have any kind of personhood (see: NARAL's reaction to a Super Bowl ad), then the issue of "choice" becomes irrelevant sind you're dealing with an action with no substantial impact. Control over women's bodies, on the other hand... in such a (moral?) framework there's a salient issue there.

The term simply allows politicians like Joe Biden and Tim Kaine to claim that they "personally" oppose abortion, in conformance with their religious views, while supporting it in every other practical sense.

But I digress, and am perhaps being facetious. While forced abortions would presumably violate the same right to privacy that supposedly makes them a Constitutional right in the first place, it cannot be denied that the de-humanizing view that enables abortions to be viewed as morally unproblematic in the first place renders them an essentially inconsequential procedure. I think abortion supporters would agree with me here; there's no need for a stigma since nothing is being lost, it is a "simple medical procedure".

I am not being facetious, however, on the point that this is not an unnatural conclusion of a perspective that abhors making decisions based on a normative moral framework, aside from the mere consent of direct participants, in the first place, or even regards the government doing so-- "legislating morality"-- as tantamount to "fascism".
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