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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Constantinople be returned to the Greeks on: March 04, 2015, 02:19:57 pm
Well, technically speaking if Constantinople were to be returned to anyone it would be the "Romans" of the Byzantine Empire, which we call "Greek" but a great many of whom have in actually ended up as Turks. Certainly the many of the Kayserler-i-Rum, who were frequently half-Polish, half-Greek, half-Albanian, and such, would agree with me. Certainly, the million-odd Greeks who "remained" in the Ottoman Empire by its end could not account for all of the Greeks who once populated Anatolia. As there's no record they all went somewhere else, it's apparent they at some point(s) ceased being Greek and became Turkish. To say nothing of the Ottomans in Greece.

So it could be said that "Kostantiniyye" remains in the hands of its rightful owners. But I suspect that Kemalism invalidates much of what I've just said. Either way, no, the city of Istanbul should not be handed over to the Hellenic Republic since I imagine most of its residents would not like to live in said country. In any case I'm glad that I've been given an opportunity to spout my "Turks are Greeks and Greeks are Turks" theory.

While I'm still on my soapbox, can I just ask what the hell is going on with the Turkish letter "C"?  Seeing that as the phonemics of the Turkish alphabet are broadly similar to those of most other Latin alphabets, where did this one flagrant exception come from, and why was it decided that this was a good idea? Even "X", which they don't use, would have been less disingenuous. It may be worse than Kiribati.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should Constantinople be returned to the Greeks on: March 04, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
Well, technically speaking if Constantinople were to be returned to anyone it would be the "Romans" of the Byzantine Empire, which we call "Greek" but a great many of whom have in actually ended up as Turks. Certainly the many of the Kayserler-i-Rum, who were frequently half-Polish, half-Greek, half-Albanian, and such, would agree with me. Certainly, the million-odd Greeks who "remained" in the Ottoman Empire by its end could not account for all of the Greeks who once populated Anatolia. As there's no record they all went somewhere else, it's apparent they at some point(s) ceased being Greek and became Turkish. To say nothing of the Ottomans in Greece.

So it could be said that "Kostantiniyye" remains in the hands of its rightful owners. But I suspect that Kemalism invalidates much of what I've just said. Either way, no, the city of Istanbul should not be handed over to the Hellenic Republic since I imagine most of its residents would not like to live in said country.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is so horrible about the Polls guy? on: March 04, 2015, 12:27:59 pm
Yes, I must say he's never attracted my attention- negative or positive. I don't know what it was that made him so unpopular.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ben Carson launches exploratory committee on: March 04, 2015, 12:11:15 pm
Yes, running in Michigan- while toning down the more left-field stuff- could have worked very well for him.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ben Carson launches exploratory committee on: March 04, 2015, 11:48:05 am
Any chance he decides not to run, and instead runs for Senate in Maryland?

That would have been a wiser better idea. Or perhaps even Michigan last year.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Greece General Discussion on: March 04, 2015, 11:44:00 am


Are you Snowstalker now? Are all of you now Snowstalker?
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Indentured Servitude in Germany on: March 04, 2015, 11:42:43 am
They can go somewhere else if they don't like it.

That is the problem here, though, isn't it? They quite aren't able to.
8  General Politics / Economics / Re: Hedge fund manager who predicted 2008 collapse predicts even bigger 2015 collaps on: March 04, 2015, 11:41:36 am
The Grauniad is getting worse.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 57% now support sending U.S. ground troops to fight ISIS on: March 04, 2015, 11:31:31 am
We also didn't back Iraq during the Saddam era.  So, that theory I don't buy.



Typical neo-con revisionism.

What is this supposed to be besides a blatant photoshop? This not enough for you?:

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: FOUCAULF FOR NYMAN - Campaign thread on: March 03, 2015, 06:12:24 pm
Most germane points! I've long wondered about the state of our finances given the changes made to our budgets over the course of the fiscal year, and the inevitability of revenues and expenses varying from the figures given (estimates, really) in the Budget.

The corporate tax burden raises one such key point- I do wonder how many major firms are domiciled in Atlasia at this point, considering the generally anti-business climate that has persisted for some time and, as far as I am aware, no recent legislation targeting corporate inversions or other types of offshoring. I do know, however, that we have managed to reduce the top marginal corporate tax rate so that should help, although I suspect the bevy of regulations, pro-labor Labor policies, and the like far outweigh any gain from reduced rates.

Whether or not this burden is passed on to the employees is a good question, and raises the need for more thorough economic statistics- something which I tried to do when I was GM albeit without much success. The organisations that keep this figures revise them all the time, and there is no reason for that not to be the case here. Heck, Nigeria managed to double the size of its economy by "rebalancing" how it calculated GDP-- which the World Bank and IMF actually recognised (even if I remain skeptical). Hopefully if you are elected a comprehensive policy review will be launched and the full effect of our policy on employment, income, wages, and other key indicators will be uncovered.

There is also the matter of the civic duty paying one's taxes entails; perhaps it would be worth exploring prevailing conceptions of taxation and its function. I would say that if people, on the whole, felt that they were being taxed fairly, and that their taxes were being put to use and to good use, we would have a lower level of tax evasion than we would have otherwise-- although I freely admit the free-rider problem will never go away.

I would emphasize, however, that perhaps the problem is not so much tax fraud as it is confiscatory tax rates and other burdensome liabilities, which, if reduced to more sensible levels, would in part raise the level of tax compliance as well as, well, the whole Laffer curve thing and all that which I know you know we both know... but this is your campaign and I will let you make the points you want to make. Wink

Regardless, this clearly demonstrates both the depth of the thought you have given to the problems facing Atlasia as well as the progressive nature of your campaign!
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 05:49:12 pm
Also I would like to echo the point made by Duke and Averroes, among others, that I find the fact that Labor is seeking to poach a seat held by their partner in the last election, without whose support they could not have won*, to be distasteful and something that should have been disavowed by Labor as a condition of our endorsement of a unity ticket. (I don't hold this against anyone, however, as it is of course something thought of in hindsight, something they did not have...)

I've remained silent about this until now, but you're forcing my hand. The only conditions of the unity ticket in regards to Senate seats that was requested was 1) TPP requesting BK be on the ticket and 2) we asked that the NE Senate seat not be contested by TPP (as it, too, was being vacated by a member of the ticket); in exchange, we'd have our unity ticket and we wouldn't contest the Governorship. Despite the fact that it was not upheld, we did not complain like you are doing now, nor buck on our other agreements...

Just to clarify: I don't bring this up to be petty or anything. It's just that there is continued public complaining here about a hypothetical and something that was not asked or requested, whereas we did not do so when an explicitly-requested and effectively agreed-upon arrangement was essentially tossed out the window. In addition, I found it quite disturbing that someone as qualified as Talleyrand - who is in many respect a Person himself - was scoffed at in such a way.

I was wholly unaware of such an agreement, one to which I was clearly not privy. If this is indeed the case then the point made about bad faith is not quite applicable to you, nor could you reasonably be said to be engaging in pettiness...  hopefully someone involved in these negotiations will clarify the situation for us all.

While the party bureaucracy processes my dues and forms, I'll comment that everyone has come to a consensus very quickly. By the end of the day, The Party should just proceed to a vote on whether DKrol or I would receive endorsement, with a run-off option. If members really want to, they can write-in Adam and The Party can deal with rule complications if he somehow wins.

Every hour spent arguing over minutiae is an hour we cede to Labour in organizing voters. And we only have 271 hours to spare!

I agree entirely.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 05:23:00 pm
What happens if someone only wins a plurality of the vote?

EDIT: Or duh, it's probably run-off voting.

I don't know, looking at the present section it answers some concerns but raises other questions:

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The People’s Endorsement

1. Members of the party for at least two weeks prior to the start of the convention will automatically receive The People's endorsement.

[...]

6. Upon motion by three members, a vote shall be held on whether to unendorse any Person candidate named in the motion who is running in the upcoming election.

7. This motion shall be voted on concurrently with the out-of-party endorsement vote held pursuant to Section 2 of this bylaw if possible. Otherwise, the vote shall be opened within 24 hours of the motion gaining requisite support.

On one hand, it is already possible for a "motion by three members" to trigger a "vote shall be held on whether to un-endorse any Person candidate named in the motion who is running in the upcoming election", although that's a bit different from what I had in mind. However there does not seem to be anything technically pertaining to an intra-Party primary besides this:

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4. The candidate with the most votes in each race will receive the highest non-People’s preference. Non-party endorsements will be limited to one per race in races where a Party member is on the ballot and two in a race with no Party members on the ballot.

Which, since it says only one candidate may be endorsed if there is a member of The Party running, so that would imply we have to hold a primary. I mean, I know we've obviously held primaries in the past, but the rooting for them in the bylaws seems unclear.

The main question I suppose have now is, in the case of a "primary", do we have to allow out-of-party candidacies? Wink
13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 05:04:47 pm
Also I would like to echo the point made by Duke and Averroes, among others, that I find the fact that Labor is seeking to poach a seat held by their partner in the last election, without whose support they could not have won*, to be distasteful and something that should have been disavowed by Labor as a condition of our endorsement of a unity ticket. (I don't hold this against anyone, however, as it is of course something thought of in hindsight, something they did not have...)


*This is a fact, and I have done the work to prove it, which I can share if so requested.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Izvestia: Official Atlasian News Service (Derrick Captured Like A Total Moron) on: March 03, 2015, 04:59:09 pm
What are the names of the members of the highway patrol who arrested Mr Derrick?

We did not disclose their names for safety reasons, although it can be revealed for the Governor's office.

Please do.

(Technically speaking I would have been told this already by the authorities but since this is, well, you know, a game and the "authorities" don't actually exist, you'll need to tell me.)
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 04:55:28 pm
I agree with Duke in principle, we should not really be suspending The People's Bylaws whenever we are so inclined, but the fact is that I believe the Bylaws as they currently stand allow for the possibility of a situation where we are compelled to nominate a candidate in complete disregard to the wishes of the members of The Party. This is why I believe it probably would be worthwhile to amend the bylaws as I mentioned earlier:

It might be worth amending the by-laws to allow that if a certain percentage of The Party petitions to hold a vote on an otherwise automatically endorsed candidate that such a vote would be held. The sort of farce we saw with JCL imposing himself as the Federalist candidate for President (and perhaps sealing their fate) despite a plurality of the party having voted against endorsing his candidacy must at all costs not be allowed to repeat itself in our Party.

(again, JCL, it isn't really about you but the context of what happened)

That being said since we now have two members of The Party running in this race under the bylaws we would have to hold a vote anyway, so this vote is indeed moot, and with that in mind I'm changing my vote on principle.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 04:47:32 pm
Hold on SimFan. We (Federalists) don't have a provision for an open primary when it comes to the Presidential elections unlike what we do for At-Large Senate races. So my legitimacy was not a farce. Maxwell wasn't a member of the party at the time so he had no right to contest when we had a candidate. Had he joined before the election I do acknowledge he would've gotten the nod and I would've stepped aside (cause he wouldn't accept a conservative VP) but he didn't. He still got half my rightful base in addition to his DR base.

My point was that more people voted to endorse Maxwell than they did for you. Regardless of Federalist party rules, you were able to impose your candidacy despite the clear opposition of the majority of the party members who expressed a preference by voting on whom to endorse, even if the vote was not valid. The particulars of your case are not relevant here, its the fact that it could take place at all that is.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 04:37:32 pm
And Windjammer (what are you doing in here? Tongue) got to the Constitution before I did! I'm not entirely sure how to interpret that clause, however. Does it mean that Homely has 7 days following the creation of a vacancy to call an election, which must take place no more than 10 days after the election has been called or Homely has 7 days following the creation of a vacancy to call an election, which must take place no more than 10 days after the vacancy has been created?

The latter seems like what the text suggests but it would imply that it would be perfectly possible to call for an election that would take place, say, the next day, if the schedule worked out like that. It also depends on when BK resigns.

But it's all moot since the relevant bit of our bylaws state that "Members of The Party for at least two weeks prior to the start of the convention will automatically receive The People's Endorsement." Now, regardless of whether you want to consider this convention to have been "started" when it was reconvened on 2 March, or "started" when it was originally called into session on 6 February, neither candidate qualifies for automatic endorsement. So this vote on whether to "suspend the bylaws" seems superfluous to me.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 04:23:58 pm
Dkrolga
The People's Party
Massachusetts

(Just changing party, not state or region)

He joined 8 days ago, but it depends on when the election actually is. The funny thing is, Bacon King has not actually resigned yet, meaning that all these candidates are running for an election that as of now is not scheduled to take place nor has to take place. The real question is, I suppose, when does Bacon King resign and how long after that would the election be held? To the Constitution!
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Izvestia: Official Atlasian News Service (Derrick Captured Like A Total Moron) on: March 03, 2015, 04:18:03 pm
What are the names of the members of the highway patrol who arrested Mr Derrick?
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Simfan34 - A Victory in Our Fight For Order! on: March 03, 2015, 04:16:34 pm
BREAKING: Derrick Captured

Just minutes after the PMA finalized their threat of executing four hostages, we've received confirmation that their fugitive leader, Wayne Derrick, was arrested somewhere in North Idaho.

Derrick was stopped by a highway patrol for speeding and was quickly recognized. He surrendered instantly, although a fellow militiaman accompanying him attempted to pull a gun at the officer and was shot to death. 

What a moron, we say.

This fantastic news marks a major victory, delivered by members of our law enforcement authorities, in our fight for order and against the PMA's terrorism, but I caution all fellow Pacificans to make no mistake- this in no way means that this fight is over. We shall win, but we have not yet won, and we must all remain vigilant in our efforts. Indeed, this success considerably raises the chance of reprisals by the PMA against the Pacific, and in their desperation and wrath may not just be against the forces fighting against their terrorism but members of the civilian public- hence the need for heightened security and general vigilance.

I also intend to meet with the members of the highway patrol who captured Mr Derrick and acknowledge their exemplary service in an appropriate manner as soon as possible. Hopefully their names will be provided by the GM.

Executive Order 03-14

In light of the successful arrest of Wayne Derrick and the potential for reprisals by the People's Militia of Atlasia (PMA) against both active anti-terrorism forces and the general public, The Special Anti-Terrorism Operations Command (SAOC) and all other relevant law enforcement agencies are authorised and advised to increase the number and comprehensiveness, of the public security measures for which they already possess requisite permission, including increasing force strengths as is necessary for such measures.

Furthermore, those members the local highway patrol who arrested Mr Derrick are to be acknowledged for their exemplary service in an appropriate manner.
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Convention, February and also March 2015 - Senate primary on: March 03, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
Should the by-laws be temporarily suspended and an open ballot for the Senate endorsement held?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

When is the election? Depending on this it may be that neither DKrol nor Foucaulf would be eligible for automatic endorsement or it might be that they both would be. Either way, it would mean a primary is necessary. Regardless, I support one.

It might be worth amending the by-laws to allow that if a certain percentage of The Party petitions to hold a vote on an otherwise automatically endorsed candidate that such a vote would be held. The sort of farce we saw with JCL imposing himself as the Federalist candidate for President (and perhaps sealing their fate) despite a plurality of the party having voted against endorsing his candidacy must at all costs not be allowed to repeat itself in our Party.

If we want party unity the best way to ensure this is by allowing all voices to be heard before making a choice one way or another; you can even call it democratic centralism if you want! I will say this now, I pledge to vote for whoever The Party votes to nominate in this race, regardless of my own preferences, provided that we hold a vote. I would even vote for Adam Griffin, who kindly took the time to insult me in his speech as some ancillary antagonist whose presence ended got in the way of his personal alliance "with The People" (despite the fact I joined the first incarnation of The Party the day after it was founded and registered in the second before it was even re-formed, which "coincidentally" happened the day I returned), if The Party voted to endorse him. I simply ask that we hold a vote first.

EDIT: As we now have two members of The Party seeking nomination, the bylaws mandate that a vote on the nomination be held, so this vote is moot and I am changing my vote on principle, since it is true that we should not just be deviating from our bylaws whenever.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Governor Simfan34 - Remarks on recent events on: March 03, 2015, 02:42:54 pm
We've received a copy of the letter sent by the PMA to Governor Simfan of Pacific:

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Attention "Governor",


Or shall we rather say "thief" for usurping the rightful authority of True Atlasian People?

If you will not resign your usurped post by 1.00 PM today, we will have no choice but to EXECUTE four of your police dogs currently in our custody. If you fail to comply, it's gonna be like you personally KILLED them.


Have a nice day,
PMA

I do not negotiate with terrorists.

Harold Angryperson, Izvestia. Governor, how would you comment on the epic fail of your SOAC and the undeniable fact you are a big FIASCO youself?

Mr. Angryperson,

I am sorry to hear that you are regurgitating the terrorists' callous rhetoric regarding this latest tragedy, which is what it was, not an "epic fail" as they put it.

The operation was undertaken, the Special Antiterrorism Operations Command and the staff of the Pacific National Guard assure me, completely under the prescribed protocols and taking appropriate precautions. Unfortunately, it appears that the gallant members of our National Guard and police who carried out this operation fell victim to a well-planned trap of the PMA, and took significant casualties. I have sent my condolences to the families of the deceased servicemen, and the SAOC has launched a full investigation into the operation to identify lessons for future plans.

I have been consulting with legal advisors on a new Police Act that I plan to introduce in the coming days that will hopefully increase their effectiveness in our fight against the PMA's terrorist campaign, and after that we are looking into legislation, as I said some days ago, pertaining to the Pacific National Guard and the Pacific Defence Force.

Speaking of the Pacific Defence Force, what this latest atrocity does accomplish is increase the chances that we mobilse and call the PDF into service, which is something that had very much been on the table, in either case, senior officers of the PDF are already participating in the SAOC and planning for the PDF's role in our anti-terrorist campaign if it is necessary. Futhermore, we are considering special legislation to give the SAOC an organisation in statute.

We must give this fight our all, and one setback, even if tragic, must not and shall not break our resolve.

As an aside I am aware of the vacancy in the Legislative Council and intend to make an appointment shortly.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Krol for At-Large Senate: The Face of Real Change on: March 02, 2015, 02:29:49 pm
I don't know you.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: RIP Federalist Party (2012-15) on: March 02, 2015, 02:21:36 pm
It looks like the forces of reaction and fascist bandit armies are in retreat across the country!

As the only elected Federalist, I'm proud to say fascism is dead. We are capitalists and socially moderate. Dead and retreating we are not. Fascism is another form of economic radical leftism.

Elected as what?
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: MENDOZA's Memorial Thread on: March 02, 2015, 02:17:21 pm
I'm confused. What happened to him? He just stopped appearing.

Of course I sort of wish he was real, wouldn't he be a great candidate... of course, everyone in this show is so right wing!
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