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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone IV - Hungover on: August 29, 2016, 03:46:21 pm
It's been reported at AAD that Virginia recently signed onto IRC.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: This Protestant denomination selector quiz on: August 29, 2016, 12:25:10 pm
....but the church of my upbringing is.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Misoir on: August 29, 2016, 09:15:20 am
Might've been a combination of both. I just know that he sent me a surprisingly civil yet with his typical level of spelling and grammar skills PM after I made a FF/HP thread about him and bumped a few others basically saying he wasn't trying to offend or seriously bother anyone, I sent him a polite reply saying then he should stop saying some of the inane sh!t he was that he never replied to. Then it was revealed he was neither black nor a cop, and he threw a fit on the forum and never posted again.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CNN’s King: “This Is Nuts” Clinton’s Schedules Won’t Be Released Before Election on: August 29, 2016, 08:33:35 am
https://youtu.be/gutCFMc5khY
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Misoir on: August 29, 2016, 12:54:03 am
On a side note in relation to a point above, I can say with a high degree of confidence that I'm responsible for driving MK off the forum, and that's something that I will not apologize for or cease to take pride in. Unlike most trolls he didn't just hang around a few cesspool threads and boards, he actually manage to taint and ruin non-horrible threads with his stupidity. I actually locked one of my threads just because the stuff he was saying in it was so blatantly idiotic I couldn't bear to read any more of it.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: should panhandling be legal? on: August 29, 2016, 12:47:23 am
To add to Averroes' point, no one really complains about street musicians even if they're doing it for money*. If anything they make those places more enjoyable so even businesses don't mind them. But a line does have to be drawn between that and someone harassing people who are trying to just fill their car up.

*Of note is that some of them actually do make pretty good money. I know a guy who's been in some bands here who used to play in downtown for awhile and said he made more money that way and tax free than he did at his part time retail job he held at the time. He did feel a little guilty about it since he wasn't homeless and didn't need the money that bad since he was living for free with friends, but it worked out well for him. Granted he's also way more talented than most.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump has a huge problem with Catholics on: August 29, 2016, 12:24:08 am
I've been arguing for quite some time that "Catholic" is no longer an indelible social identity in the US and people leave the church and disaffiliate with great frequency now to the point where it's no longer unusual. I mean remember, from outlook, as an evangelical Christian (who thus knows many converts from Catholicism), my time in the whole DIY hardcore scene (which has near zero Catholics, but not to lack of anyone being raised that way) and living in a "trendy" part of Minneapolis for the past many years and my entire life in the Upper Midwest, a region where Catholics are so assimilated there is literally no discernable social separation between them and Protestants and both identities are basically regarded as closer to what football team you support than some ethnic/racial identity, the idea that this ISN'T the case is downright bizarre.


Thanks BRTD.... makes more sense now.

Although, I agree with some of your points regarding the movement away from the church for many Catholics that have gone through baptism, attended weekly services etc, I do disagree with the concept that those that have left the flock/faith do not still self-identify as Catholics when asked....

My wife was Catholic and became an agnostic and then atheist before we were married, but as many other Catholics I know still has strong belief structures regarding fundamental teachings, including John Paul II social justice reforms, and regardless still self-identifies as a Catholic, regardless of church attendance or religious beliefs.

i will agree with you that in many communities of certain generations, there is a blurring of identity, regardless of social class-religious-culture backgrounds, but as a former punk rocker myself way back in the days, there are plenty of Americans that do maintain religious identity (Regardless of Church attendance) and keep true to certain core beliefs of the faith, which Mr. Trump has not only disparaged, and violated many of the ten commandments (Is there a priest that will give him communion at this time???), and additionally view his conduct to be in complete contradiction to works, when the dude is just a self-promoting "mouth on wheels".

Apologies if I missed your fundamental point.... could be that it is getting late and I misread after a few drinks on a Sunday night, but WTF does this have to do with the '16 election???

Confused...

Well first according to that poll, over 40% don't identify as such. So it would seem the vast majority of those who've fallen out of practice DO NOT identify as Catholic anymore. It's obviously far higher in numbers, actually would have to be the rule in fact, amongst Millennials, and has been the rule in the Upper Midwest for decades at least...I mean if you don't actually practice anything in Catholicism, what makes you distinct from people who weren't raised Catholic? In Upper Midwest culture, really nothing. It's just another denomination that people brought up in may or may not still follow. And the evidence isn't just anecdotal at this point, those retention numbers in Upper Midwest states are brutal.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Bloomberg had run, what states could he have won? on: August 29, 2016, 12:03:48 am
None. He wouldn't even get double digits in any.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Who will win Kent County, Michigan? on: August 28, 2016, 10:41:17 pm
Normally a Republican county, but was won very narrowly by Obama in 2008. Not a particularly Trump-friendly area in terms of demographics though.

I hope for Hillary, because I like their music. Has given us bands such as Carry on Kid and what is without question one of the greatest bands of all time, La Dispute.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump has a huge problem with Catholics on: August 28, 2016, 09:50:08 pm
I've been arguing for quite some time that "Catholic" is no longer an indelible social identity in the US and people leave the church and disaffiliate with great frequency now to the point where it's no longer unusual. I mean remember, from outlook, as an evangelical Christian (who thus knows many converts from Catholicism), my time in the whole DIY hardcore scene (which has near zero Catholics, but not to lack of anyone being raised that way) and living in a "trendy" part of Minneapolis for the past many years and my entire life in the Upper Midwest, a region where Catholics are so assimilated there is literally no discernable social separation between them and Protestants and both identities are basically regarded as closer to what football team you support than some ethnic/racial identity, the idea that this ISN'T the case is downright bizarre.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump has a huge problem with Catholics on: August 28, 2016, 09:06:35 pm
Hmmm, please note Minnesota and North Dakota on those maps. Actually North Dakota went from 27.4% in 1985 to 18% in 2014. As a rather religious state that has a lot less people than most places going "none" that's pretty harsh.

Also from that article:
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Among the 31.7 percent of Americans adults who say they were raised Catholic, 41 percent no longer identify that way, according to the Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study.

I will now accept my accolades.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Opinion of Misoir on: August 28, 2016, 07:20:22 am
Very well spoken poster who provides well thought out contributions indeed! I may not agree with all his views but good guy, FF Smiley
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: should panhandling be legal? on: August 28, 2016, 01:06:28 am
I voted option 3. It should be legal, but not if "aggressive" and businesses should be allowed to not permit it on their premises. There's a gas station in my neighborhood where half the time you go there someone will ask you for money, makes me wonder how much business gets lost from people not wanting to deal with that.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IA-01: Blum up 7 in his internal on: August 28, 2016, 01:02:02 am
People always talk about Minnesota being a lily-white state but that's kind of dated. We're still whiter than the national average yes, but as of the last Census we were only about 83% non-Hispanic white. Hennepin County went from about 80% non-Hispanic white in the 2000 Census to about 70% in 2010. At that rate it's less than 2/3 non-Hispanic white now. And just 72% of births in Minnesota in 2011 (obviously less now) were from non-Hispanic white mothers.

So regardless of any trends in the past, there's no reason to expect that to continue. Also the premise that even MN-01 and MN-08 will turn into safe R seats in just 10 years is also pretty ludicrous.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Does Seriously? remind you of jfern? on: August 28, 2016, 12:51:24 am
I suspect that if jfern was still around, he would've pushed the conspiracy theory promoted by Breitbart that Khizir Khan is actually a Saudi intelligence agent. A few True Leftist bloggers and forums have ran with that despite that Breitbart is literally the only site that has reported on it.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which type of True Leftist is more annoying? on: August 28, 2016, 12:40:54 am
"All liberal all the time" is hardly True Leftist sentiment. It's the sort of thing both types usually hate in fact.

"Actual Marxists" don't want the USA to look like the USSR.

TNF sure did.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which type of True Leftist is more annoying? on: August 27, 2016, 06:26:50 pm
Where is the "all liberal, all the time" option?

I am voting for Hillary Clinton in November, so therefore I am not a True Leftist.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should there be a left-wing Milo? on: August 27, 2016, 06:08:04 pm
Come to think of it after checking out her Twitter Rebecca Schoenkopf kind of fits the bill in some ways. I guess Dan Savage does too. The difference though as noted above is, they simply don't rehash the same routine over and over again.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Breitbart the media "platform for the alt-right" ? on: August 27, 2016, 06:05:46 pm
The thing about Breitbart which is why I would've considered him a joke even if I was a conservative, is that he never really cared about policy, I don't recall him ever talking about reducing the rates in tax brackets or anything. He seemed to think that just being an obnoxious offensive jackass in an effort to undermine "cultural Marxism" (which by the way is not just something he intended to be a hyperbolic slur, Breitbart really did believe that there was a Marxist conspiracy to take over America, and that a big portion of that was undermining it via feminism and political correctness and liberal values...seriously) was the most important cause of our times. Which made it a perfect fit.

Milo is pretty much the same thing on steroids, which is why I'm pretty sure anyone who actually likes him is a real life bully (as I've accused Classic Conservative of), to anyone who believes that he's simply a "strong conservative voice" or whatever please point me to any time he wrote a long well thought out and sourced attack on Obamacare or liberal tax policy or environmental policies or something. No he doesn't, he just declares his birthday "Patriarchy Day" and then openly calls to sexually harass women on it because OMG THAT IS SO F[INKS]ING HILARIOUS.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which type of True Leftist is more annoying? on: August 27, 2016, 05:46:44 pm
Option 2 by far. At least Option 1 are sort of logically consistent, if you want the US to resemble the Soviet Union, then no, neither Obama or Hillary are for you. Option 2 frequently peddle right wing smears, talking points, lies (remember how I made a point that jfern and Seriously? often sound the same?), frequently contradict themselves, never make an ounce of sense (ex: H. A. Goodman) and oddly enough frequently are more unhinged and deranged than Option 1 (ex: the "Sane" "Progressive")
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IA-01: Blum up 7 in his internal on: August 27, 2016, 05:27:27 pm
The LA-AR-MO-IA-MN stack is going completely like the TX-OK-KS-NE-SD-ND one, and within 10 years, Democrats will not have any non-inner city seats in any of those five states and will not be competitive in any statewide elections.

And the signs of that in MN are?

The fact that it has gone from the most Democratic state in the nation in 1984 to a swing state with a PVI of D+2 today?

But it has a Democratic Governor and two Democratic Senators and has voted Democratic every year since 1984! A similar reason to why West Virginia was easily won by Kerry in 2004, and Obama in 2008 and 2012.

Ignoring the countless reasons as to why this isn't a comparable example his post said Democrats "will not be competitive in any statewide elections." Democrats still have the Governorship and a Senate seat in West Virginia, so the analogy fails even there.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IA-01: Blum up 7 in his internal on: August 27, 2016, 05:22:26 pm
The LA-AR-MO-IA-MN stack is going completely like the TX-OK-KS-NE-SD-ND one, and within 10 years, Democrats will not have any non-inner city seats in any of those five states and will not be competitive in any statewide elections.

And the signs of that in MN are?

The fact that it has gone from the most Democratic state in the nation in 1984 to a swing state with a PVI of D+2 today?

Ah, the old trend line fallacy. By that same logic Virginia would vote identically to New York in 10 years.

...and no Republican has won in 8 years, and that no Republican has won over 50% in in 22 years. So going from that to completely unwinnable for any Democrat in a statewide in only 10 years, when the state's non-white population is rapidly increasing (which didn't happen much from 1984 to about 2000) would be one hell of a steep slope.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of "The Nightly Show" on: August 27, 2016, 05:13:54 pm
The problem with the show was that it wasn't easy to chop up into little pieces that could be easily viewed outside of the show like John Oliver monologues or Daily Show segments, put on YouTube and share on Facebook and blogs. Which is what attracts those shows all the attention.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IA-01: Blum up 7 in his internal on: August 27, 2016, 04:23:42 pm
The LA-AR-MO-IA-MN stack is going completely like the TX-OK-KS-NE-SD-ND one, and within 10 years, Democrats will not have any non-inner city seats in any of those five states and will not be competitive in any statewide elections.

And the signs of that in MN are?
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: WI: The following posters started a band on: August 26, 2016, 10:13:29 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu3TCsWlGzY
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