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101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of these parties would you vote for? on: May 06, 2015, 01:59:16 pm
You know that the people who use terms like "womyn" are universally horrible transphobes?

(Also, option 4)

Some bands use it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Huhc1w5kYQU
102  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the UK keep its nuclear missiles? on: May 06, 2015, 10:30:13 am
One of the issues that will be faced by the next UK Parliament, is the renewal of the 'Trident' nuclear armed submarines, which requires a vote in 2016 if the UK is to continue being in the nuclear club.

At present, Britain has four submarines which allows one submarine to always be at sea (allowing the deterrent effect to be continuous). Nuclear missiles are very expensive - swallowing up a significant portion of the Defence budget, that many dislike.

The Tories, DUP and UKIP are fully committed to nuclear renewal. The SNP, Greens, Plaid and Respect are advocating disarmament.

The other two are giving mixed messages. Labour, which used to tear itself to shreds over the issue, are giving mixed messages - it has some constituencies which would benefit from the manufacturing of new arms and much of its traditional wing want to keep a strong independent deterrent. The Lib Dems, which used to support disarmament, seem to have adopted a Wulfric style solution of keeping only two or three submarines. This would not provide continuous at-sea deterrence.

The "deterrence" point in 2015 is beyond absurd. Who is the UK trying to ensure MAD with? That said LOL@the Liberal Democrats.

Scrapping the whole thing is the only logical thing at this point.
103  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Wulfric-style Moderate Heroism vs. benconstine-style Moderate Heroism on: May 06, 2015, 10:26:49 am
I think the moderate hero rap is probably unfair to both posters, but particularly when it comes to Wulfric, who has rather unusual, and provocative, positions on some issues.

It's kind of hard to argue Moderate Hero doesn't apply to benconstine when the term was created referring to him.

Wulfric despite his unusual and extreme positions tries constantly to sound pragmatic and sensible rather than embracing it, which is what defines him as a Moderate Hero.
104  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Democrats only: What was your worst election night(From 1968 on) on: May 06, 2015, 10:23:55 am
Easily 2004, but 2002 was a rather close second.
105  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which of these parties would you vote for? on: May 06, 2015, 09:59:57 am
In a fictional country:

Emergent Social Alliance: This is the primary "left" party. However unlike most such parties, while pro-labor and having the support of most unions, the party is actually more rooted in Christianity and a Christian democratic tradition than a labor movement one. The party's platform is explicitly Christian, makes many references to its policies as following in the way of Jesus and often quotes the Bible. Despite this the party is liberal on most social issues, supporting same sex marriage, marijuana legalization and drug decriminalization, and spends a lot of its platform talking about gender equality, with abolishing the gender pay gap and fighting violence against women being top priorities. It even uses the spelling "womyn" and "humyn" in its platform. Despite this, the party is far more divided on abortion, with many factions opposed to it. The party also supports an expansive social safety net, and spends a lot of the platform on alternative energy funding and environmentalist policies, or "respecting God's Creation" as its puts it. It also supports universal healthcare, massive increases to public education funding and cuts to university tuition fees, and loosening immigraton law, though the party has been criticized by the Vatican and Muslim countries due to its activists including many working in social welfare services for immigrants proselytizing and converting immigrants from Catholic and Muslim countries to non-denominational Protestantism. The LDS church has also ceased sending missionaries to its strongholds due to that they were more likely to come back converted than having converted anyone. The party also drew some criticism from secular activists for its policies in one state after taking in power in changing the public schools curriculum and linking atheism to communist countries and the ideology of Ayn Rand and arguing that either is the logical extension of atheism. The party supports very lax laws on alcohol, and massive subsidies to the alcohol industry, but only independent and small microbrewers, not the large alcohol companies.

TL;DR version: They are basically SJW theocrats.

People's Democratic Party: The very generic name tells little about the ideology, which is fitting as the party is difficult to classify. Like the ESA it's an explicitly Christian party, but a far more conservative one, which opposes same sex marriage on the grounds of the Bible as the source of all law. The party however does support civil unions for same sex couples. It also supports Christianity as the state religion, and restrictions on other religions such as banning constructions of new mosques, and mandatory indoctrination classes for Muslim immigrants though the party has some moderate positions on immigration and doesn't support deporting illegal immigrants who have applied for citizenship. The party is also unambiguously opposed to abortion. The party tends to take middle ground positions though on most economic issues, condemning both the left and right's healthcare policies, and appears to favor some sort of public/private hybrid with large subsidies as the best means of providing universal healthcare, is critical of the big business right and oil industry but supports construction of new pipelines, tends to waver back and forth on supporting right to work policies, and is somewhat critical of the welfare state with some leader having made controversial comments on that generous welfare policies mean that children of welfare recipients will want to do the same upon becoming on adult, but don't support a complete gutting of it like the right. The party supports tough on crime and law and order measures and opposed marijuana legalization.

TL;DR version: A Wulfric-style combination of extreme social conservatism and Moderate Heroism.

Liberals for Freedom and Democracy: The main right-wing party and on paper a free market classic liberal party, but in effect a bit different from most. The party is not very socially conservative, and supports legal abortion and marijuana, and didn't opposes same sex marriage. However economically the party tends to be rather extreme and has no problem with complete gutting of social welfare policies and state agencies. It supports complete privatization of the country's Social Security, right to work and a ban on unions in the public sector, a completely privatized healthcare system and massive cuts to education funding and a focus and move to private and charter schools instead. The party is openly hostile to labor, with one of the leaders saying they would be happy to see union members lose their job, and another attracting controversy when referring to people on public assistance as "moochers". True to this the party also has supported cutting down on immigration and accuses immigrants of seeking its generous welfare benefits. It includes many leaders who cite Ayn Rand as an influence, and also many leaders who are openly atheist and has been critical of the ESA not only for its economic policies but Christianity.

TL;DR version: Randians with krazen-style rhetoric.

Left Liberation Front: The Left Liberation Front is a party with an explicitly Marxist platform. It is strongly opposed to all other parties, condemning both big business, elites and the explicitly Christian ESA, while also attacking political correctness and mocking the language used by the ESA on gender issues. The party has been criticized for being inconsistent with Marxism though, with many intellectuals attacking it as political opportunists or simply using a Marxist veneer for being effectively a personalist vehicle for many of its leaders who have shown poor understanding of Marxist thought in interviews and debates. The use of bombastic terminology and "edgy" rhetoric is the party's primary defining trait.

TL;DR version: "Edgy" True Leftists.

The Underground: The Underground is a relatively recent party formed online, where it conducts most of its business and even conventions. Opposition to government surveillance and corporate control of the Internet is its primary issues. Outside of that, the party is a bit difficult to classify. The party tends toward social liberalism, it supports drug legalization and abortion being legal, and has a platform supporting same-sex marriage, but many of its activists have been caught making homophobic comments and it appears its support of this is more based on opposition to religious social conservatives than actual principles. The party's leadership is mostly atheist and almost exclusively male, leading to massive conflict with the ESA even socially, as it also mocks political correctness and has made comments in the past about women that have caused much controversy as well as comments about how "the white male is the most discriminated group today" and attacks on feminism. The party is the only one to take a stance on circumcision, which it is strongly opposed to. The party's economic policy is hard to classify, it supports greater education funding and some form of universal health care, but also attacks welfare policies for the lowest classes, immigrants, and also supports right to work laws. The party is also rather critical of big business and the wealthiest classes, and seems to position itself as a party for the middle class, with the lower classes as leeches on it and the higher classes as exploiters of it and due to this supports both a more progressive tax structure and gutting of social welfare policies.

TL;DR version: A Reddit style combination of libertarianism, middle class populism and heavy MRA influence.
106  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Wulfric-style Moderate Heroism vs. benconstine-style Moderate Heroism on: May 06, 2015, 09:10:55 am
Moderate Hero is basically used to describe people who adhere to the Golden Middle Fallacy as their primary driver in their ideology. Summarized by this cartoon well:

107  Forum Community / Forum Community / Wulfric-style Moderate Heroism vs. benconstine-style Moderate Heroism on: May 05, 2015, 10:33:52 pm
At least Wulfric-style is entertaining. benconstine is so bland and boring I often forget he still posts.
108  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Jim Prentice on: May 05, 2015, 10:16:05 pm
LOL. Epic fail.
109  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Alberta General Election - May 5th, 2015 on: May 05, 2015, 10:07:44 pm
This is going to make a great Downfall video.
110  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who is more weird: "Composite hipster Christian" or Wulfric? on: May 05, 2015, 11:00:23 am
Funnily enough I doubt who gave the sermon on "authenticity" would disagree. The thing is I like wearing band shirts and don't just wear them to fit in. Plus it's more convenient to wear the same clothes all day.
111  Forum Community / Forum Community / Opinion of bobloblaw on: May 05, 2015, 08:30:54 am
Odd breed, he's basically one of those worthless trolls who only post when an election is near and then disappear forever afterwards....except he posts in 2015.
112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your favorite of the following leftist Latin American leaders on: May 05, 2015, 12:16:25 am
I'll go with Morales as the only non-dictator on the list; extremists that respect the democratic process are much preferable to ones who don't.

Correra is not a dictator by any standard at all (Ecuador actually has the same Freedom House score today as it did right before he took office), neither is Ortega, though the latter's changing of the electoral laws to benefit him might earn him the "undemocratic" label, that alone isn't enough to be a dictator.
113  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Would you ever eat fugu? on: May 04, 2015, 11:39:45 pm
Turns out it is available in Minneapolis after all: http://www.origamirestaurant.com/fugu-blowfish-is-back-at-origami-downtown/

So the question isn't purely hypothetical to me...but still no.
114  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you wish we had opebo's insight on the Baltimore riots? on: May 04, 2015, 11:26:11 pm
Your conversion into BRTD 2.0 is coming along nicely HockeyGuy.  How do you feel about suburbs?



-Is an atheist
-Likes South Park
-Likes some metal music

Like seriously dude?
115  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of SomeoneWhoExists on: May 04, 2015, 06:45:27 pm
At least Snowstalker posts more than one sentence per post typically.
116  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: May 04, 2015, 06:41:47 pm
OK now that I have a bit more time:

Wulfric your position becomes even more untenable when you consider the state now has to define "Christian", which opens up some issues with what to restrict. Even ignoring denominations that perform same sex weddings, what about Mormons? Should their temples be banned? What about Seventh-day Adventists? They may fit the definition of Christian by most people and other denominations, but their views toward anyone who doesn't worship on Saturday would exclude many other denominations. What about Oneness Pentecostals who don't believe in the Trinity? Their baptisms aren't considered valid by most Christian denominations, so should they be restricted? You basically will need some agency to determine what is or isn't Christian and effectively have the state regulating Christianity.

And actually, your position SSM and civil unions isn't even consistent with this. If homosexuality is a sin, and goes against the will of God, and this can't ever be supported even on a secular scale, then why are civil unions OK? That too is promoting sin by your standard. In fact if you want to restrict/ban other religions, the only consistent position would be to criminalize homosexuality as well. Supporting not just the legality of homosexuality but also civil unions on top of this makes NO sense compared to the rest of this.
117  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: May 04, 2015, 04:26:59 pm
Yes Wulfric is going way beyond opposing SSM now.
118  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who is more weird: "Composite hipster Christian" or Wulfric? on: May 04, 2015, 04:26:11 pm
Would be more accurate to say dressing up formally at church may be sinful rather than that it inherently is. Like if you dress that way normally or will for an event before/after church and don't want to change I doubt anyone would object. But if you're trying to imply some sort of standard that God wouldn't accept you or anyone in street clothes that's a different story and let's face it: that attitude does exist.
119  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of SomeoneWhoExists on: May 04, 2015, 01:52:33 pm
I'd expect SWE to be the 21-year-old and Murica the teenager, given their respective post quality.

Murica posts nonsense and as bedstuy noted SWE just does one liners. About comparable I'd say.
120  Forum Community / Forum Community / Who is more weird: "Composite hipster Christian" or Wulfric? on: May 04, 2015, 11:50:34 am
"Composite hipster Christian" isn't one particular person, but a composite of various people that are quite similar so I could see them being quite feasible. Also this is not which person you disagree with more (or less), but whose combination of views would be considered more bizarre.

For those not following, Wulfric has basically admitted he supports a Christian theocracy with other religions heavily restricted such as construction of mosques banned (though he said he couldn't bring himself to likely support banning them entirely) and bans gay marriage on the grounds of the Bible...but one that has civil unions for gay couples. And he supports various liberal Democratic politicians regardless.

This person: Believes in faith healing and that God sends them messages and prophecies, believes God told them to stand against anyone who opposes gay marriage, thinks dressing up formally for church is a sin, believes that God intended for humans to use marijuana and criminalizing it is a sin, believes that God wants Obama to be President and supporting Romney was a sin especially because he was a heretical non-Christian and had an atheist Randian as his running mate. And really loves craft beer.

I'd actually argue Wulfric is the odder individual.
121  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: May 04, 2015, 11:41:58 am
Wulfric, do you support repeal of the 1st Amendment?
122  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Alberta General Election - May 5th, 2015 on: May 04, 2015, 10:35:53 am
Also I'm not too sure why defections would even be a question.

If you end up a result where PC seats + WR seats > NDP seats, then the PCs and WR can just form a coalition government. And if you end up with a result where PC vote + WR vote > NDP vote but NDP still wins a majority of seats thanks to FPTP, well then it's too late. Anything I'm missing?
123  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Alberta General Election - May 5th, 2015 on: May 04, 2015, 09:28:39 am
When do polls close? This one will actually be an interesting election worth watching...something we haven't had since the Scottish independence referendum.
124  Forum Community / Forum Community / Opinion of SomeoneWhoExists on: May 04, 2015, 09:21:40 am
Him, Murica and Snowstalker kind of complete the Dumb "Edgy" Teenager True Leftist trifecta well, especially with his latest crusade against Bernie Sanders who'll probably get 100x the vitrol from him that Ted Cruz will.
125  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Freddie Gray on: May 03, 2015, 11:17:58 pm
Big time FF. I mean he didn't do anything wrong or illegal.
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