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101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Upworthy "dangerous"? on: February 17, 2015, 09:59:17 am
I think me and BRTD are literally the only two people on this forum who like Upworthy. It's really weird.

Why? We're both liberal progressive SJWs.
102  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Majority of Obama states now have no death penalty or moratorium on: February 17, 2015, 09:54:44 am
Also despite the map, California is under a moratorium now as well.
103  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Majority of Obama states now have no death penalty or moratorium on: February 17, 2015, 09:43:52 am
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/03/us/flawed-oklahoma-execution-deeply-troubling-obama-says.html?referrer=
104  General Politics / Individual Politics / Is Upworthy "dangerous"? on: February 17, 2015, 09:40:30 am
I've actually heard someone call it as so.

But of course no. It helps society by bringing light to progressive causes.
105  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Has anyone heard of people crying at metal shows/metal bands crying on stage? on: February 17, 2015, 09:37:23 am
I don't even think our resident emo kid does this.

That's because he doesn't listen to real emo like this. Best example of the sobbing vocal style.

Now how many people would actually consider that song metal?
106  General Politics / Individual Politics / Is feminism the solution to what MRAs often complain about? on: February 17, 2015, 01:34:50 am
Yes. A great point is made here: http://www.upworthy.com/people-freak-out-when-he-hits-her-in-public-watch-what-happens-when-she-hits-him

MRAs like to BLAME feminism for this sort of thing, but as it points out, actually ending it is part of the whole purpose.
107  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Has anyone heard of people crying at metal shows/metal bands crying on stage? on: February 17, 2015, 01:06:13 am
     I really doubt that anything like that has actually happened. While there is a wide variety in metal, the genre has a particular ethos, which this sort of thing falls well outside of.

For that matter have you ever heard of or seen a metal vocalist do something like this? I have a hard time visualizing some face painted black metaller doing that lol.
108  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Majority of Obama states now have no death penalty or moratorium on: February 17, 2015, 12:14:40 am


Interesting. So a pretty mainstream position now. Woohoo, go progressivism!
109  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of these jobs would be best for Bushie? on: February 17, 2015, 12:05:13 am
What if he replaced Jon Stewart?
110  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Death penalty halted in PA on: February 16, 2015, 11:51:53 pm

HP. Getting rid of the death penalty puts prison guards and prisoners in danger.

Convicts have killed prison guards or fellow inmates in full knowledge that they would exchange the misery of life imprisonment for a faster death if suicide is unavailable or if they are scared of something even worse (a literal Hell) in the event of suicide. Maybe even the promise of a Last Meal and Last Words in a life which has lost all meaning.     

That is such an unimaginably low exception to the rule, that it litterally doesn't merit discussion. Doesa con serving life (or the functional equivilent) wish everyday they were outside? Of course. Do the overwhelming majority turn into violent predators or otherwise in a sick way of thinking 'thrive'. You bet.

There are valid arguments against capital punishment, even if I disagree with many of them; but death penalty opponents need to be honest about the fact lifers will remain drastic threats to staff and other inmates, and most such inmates will gladly take the opportunity to do what they want without retribution rather than seeing capital punishment as a glorified form of suicide.

But then given the amount of anti-cop vitriol that runs endemic throughout the Atlas, I'm guessing the sympathy for threats to COs is limited, as the typical image of prison guards around here is more formed by movies like Shawshank Redemption (awesome though it is) than real life.

There. I said it.

So then Minnesota prisons must be WAY WAY more dangerous than Texas prisons then? And Canadian prisons have to be way more dangerous than in most states?

Yeah, no.

Please. I'm hardly saying capital punishment is the cure all for broken underfunded, understaffed prison systems. The fact remains a lifer in MN can kill a guard, staff member, or other inmate with total legal impunity. Think about that.

I'm not too sure I'd call being locked up in solitary confinement permently or sent to a Supermax facility (considering that Supermax prisons were built initially specifically for inmates deemed too dangerous for the general population) to be "total legal impunity". In fact I'd bet you'd find many if not most people would prefer going to death row than going to a Supermax which is not surprising if you have any clue what those places are like.

But honestly this is one issue where my view is it doesn't matter what I think personally, I find the death penalty completely incompatible with Christianity and I can't support it if I'm going to follow Jesus. I opposed it before, but there's no way I'm backsliding on that now.

First paragraph: I have practiced criminal law as either a prosecutor or defense attorney for over 20 years. Unlike you, I have been to prisons. I have investigated cases that occur in prison. I have dealt with clients, defendants, investigators, witnesses, and staff in prisons as my effing JOB for over two decades. And based on a couple tv shows and $hit you picked up on the internet you condensend to tell ME I don't know what the realities of prison life are??

Here's a plan, champ. While you're at it why don't you go teach Al a few things about the 80's miner strikes in England?> Or maybe educate Muon about physics or suburban Chicago politics? And while you're at it maybe you can tell Joe Republic what's what on the best places to really party in Vegas. Would that be pretentious and presumptives? Hell yes. But you couldn't possibly look more of an ass doing so than you do right now.

Second paragraph. That's fine. You and I can legitimately debate the theological differences we have there.

But DON'T accuse me of ignorance where you have exactly zero grounds to stand on.

I never said you were ignorant. I was just pointing out Supermaxes exist for exactly this reason, and the prospect of being stuck in one for decades is a lot more horrifying than death.

And with all this knowledge then if your statement that prisons in states without the death penalty are inherently more dangerous than states with it, then you should be able to provide some statistics to back it up. Much like how this is rather well cited.

Also as far as the point about Minnesota prisons go, consider that Pawlenty's proposal to reinstate the death penalty was voted down by a State Senate committee by a vote of 8-2, meaning that even two out of the four REPUBLICANS on the committee voted No. And these of course are State Senators, not posters on a message board who like to post things against cops and prison guards.
111  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 16, 2015, 11:46:31 pm
Temp work is not necessarily worse than full time work and can be a lot better than retail, but only in very specific cases. For example a friend of mine is an architect and works contract to contract, the contracts being as short as a month and almost never over 3 months. So he's constantly interviewing and looking for new work. However since the contracts for that type of work tend to pay the equivalent of $70-80k a year, he's never hurting for money even when between contracts, as long as he doesn't blow all his money from the last one. There's a lot of other people who work similarly, freelance writers, and programmers and IT professionals for hire being the best examples.

But in Bushie's case the equivalent would be some CADD professional doing high level work on a per contract basis. The problem with this is:

1-Bushie can't even hold an entry level CADD job.
2-Bushie probably would find some way to blow all his money even if he made the equivalent of $70k/year for 3 months before he got the next position.

Also I'd imagine working in such a way requires great references from previous work, which Bushie clearly would not get.

Also I should note that because of the nature of the work the guy in question often works at least 50 hours and a week and sometimes as high as 60 during contracts, but also often gets a 1-2 week breather time between contracts. That would not work with Bushie who has trouble working even 40 hours two weeks in a row.

So, you're saying that I'm inferior to your friend?

No, I don't think of people as being superior/inferior. This would actually be a pretty unChristian way of thinking about things obviously.

But what you need is hard facts. The facts I listed in that post are exactly why you can't hold down a job, and causing you all this trouble. It'd be one thing if you learned from your mistakes, but you never do. Look at how much effort it took to get you out of a new obvious scam job. So without this type of bluntness, nothing is going to get accomplished.
112  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Has anyone heard of people crying at metal shows/metal bands crying on stage? on: February 16, 2015, 11:36:58 pm
Inspired by an IRC discussion. Because I never have and I doubt it's very common and thus LOL@anyone who thinks my music is anything like metal.

(I was thining of a particular band that was known for people crying at their shows, people crying on stage, and also people coming on stage and giving sobbing testimonials about how the music and the scene have changed them and they are now so new people and have never felt like this before, etc. etc.)

New display name is one of their lyrics.
113  Forum Community / Forum Community / Is this the best post of the year? on: February 16, 2015, 10:28:17 pm

Hey Dad!  Could I borrow your Porsche to go protest capitalism?
114  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 16, 2015, 05:37:36 pm
Bushie why are you still defying God's call to go to Africa? It's been 2 years since this powerful declaration from the Lord and you still haven't moved to Kenya

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=143929.msg3281119#msg3281119

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I have prepared you for 30 years for this big move.  Be still, and know that I am God, Be strong and of a good courage.  I have work left for you in Oklahoma, but you will not be a permanent resident of Oklahoma.  These men at Maisha need your help.  Don't worry about how you will get down there and don't worry about anything, I've got you in my arms.  Every hair on your head is numbered.  I know every thing about every one of your days before they even happen.  Be Still, and Know that I am GOD.

He mentioned 2 years ago he has work left for you in Oklahoma, but it's clear by the lack of job offers that he no longer has work for you in Oklahoma. Time to pack up and head out to the African continent.

One of my favorite jmfcst moments in Update was when he pointed out that this is nothing but a string of Bible quotations paraphrased with statements specific to the situation between them. Say what you will about jmfcst, but he was in fact a voice of reason in regards to Update.
115  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of these cities would you most want to live in? on: February 16, 2015, 05:35:41 pm
Chicago > Madison > Minneapolis > Atlanta > Sioux Falls

And forgive my ignorance, but what is the common denominator here?

Ingress.

Ding. I've gone to specific events in all these cities, or will in the case of Atlanta.
116  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you were raised Mormon, would you have converted to whatever you are now? on: February 16, 2015, 05:32:54 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hipster Christianity is pretty much a type of Christianity popular with people born from the 1980s onward that focuses on social justice and fighting against social injustices through the message of Christianity. In addition, it also seems to be more moderate on social issues such as gay marriage.

That's kind of true, but if you drop the "popular with people born from the 1980s onward" part you could just as easily describe the mainline churches. Also important to keep out it's more of an evangelical flair (which is part of what makes it notable, since liberal evangelicals are far less common than liberal mainliners), and tries to focus on more "modern" and "non-traditional" things that you wouldn't associate with church, like those videos I mentioned, things like being asked to text the pastor questions during the sermon to be answered at the end or tweet your reaction on your phone with a specific hashtag, or the unique way of doing communion I mentioned a bit ago.
117  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I just got sent the dumbest chain story in history on: February 16, 2015, 05:30:03 pm
Thank god Facebook ended all that and replaced it with 'LIKE if Obama should be impeached!!!! Share if you're a noble coal Christian!!!'

Ah, that explains why this type of crap is so uncommon now. I never even made the connection.

To be fair though really dumb chain emails were/are almost exclusively a right-wing thing, but there's tons of idiotic nonsense from both sides floating around Facebook. So I'd rather my side stay clean and the old way remain.
118  Forum Community / Forum Community / Did Bushie work less hours than the average Atlas poster in 2014? on: February 16, 2015, 05:28:38 pm
The answer is probably yes, and that's quite damning considering the number of students and minors we have who are working only very part time if at all who no doubt drive the numbers down.

But if we assume Bushie averaged 30 hours a week when he was employed in 2014 (that's a stretch too) and was employed about half the year, that means he averaged 15 hours a week. So the only way he didn't is if more than half of Atlas is not employed full time, which even here I doubt, and that's not even counting the people who average more than 40 hours a week (I probably do, but just barely, but then consider people like Torie and muon.)
119  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 16, 2015, 05:23:45 pm
Temp work is not necessarily worse than full time work and can be a lot better than retail, but only in very specific cases. For example a friend of mine is an architect and works contract to contract, the contracts being as short as a month and almost never over 3 months. So he's constantly interviewing and looking for new work. However since the contracts for that type of work tend to pay the equivalent of $70-80k a year, he's never hurting for money even when between contracts, as long as he doesn't blow all his money from the last one. There's a lot of other people who work similarly, freelance writers, and programmers and IT professionals for hire being the best examples.

But in Bushie's case the equivalent would be some CADD professional doing high level work on a per contract basis. The problem with this is:

1-Bushie can't even hold an entry level CADD job.
2-Bushie probably would find some way to blow all his money even if he made the equivalent of $70k/year for 3 months before he got the next position.

Also I'd imagine working in such a way requires great references from previous work, which Bushie clearly would not get.

Also I should note that because of the nature of the work the guy in question often works at least 50 hours and a week and sometimes as high as 60 during contracts, but also often gets a 1-2 week breather time between contracts. That would not work with Bushie who has trouble working even 40 hours two weeks in a row.
120  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I just got sent the dumbest chain story in history on: February 16, 2015, 03:03:20 pm
Man I had kind of forgotten those things still exist. They have a 90s/00s vibe.
121  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you were raised Mormon, would you have converted to whatever you are now? on: February 16, 2015, 11:07:46 am
Described here: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=207485.msg4489504#msg4489504
122  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you were raised Mormon, would you have converted to whatever you are now? on: February 16, 2015, 10:54:57 am
Unknowable (literally normal).

Seriously? If opebo was still here he'd obviously say he'd still be an atheist and it's hard to see ANYONE disagreeing with that. For just one example.
123  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 16, 2015, 10:52:53 am
Damn. I'm thankful it's up to 10F here now.
124  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Liberal man/conservative woman. on: February 16, 2015, 10:51:18 am
Yeah there isn't really a gender gap on abortion. It's more guns and lots of economic issues.
125  Forum Community / Forum Community / If you were raised Mormon, would you have converted to whatever you are now? on: February 16, 2015, 09:49:48 am
Yes. I think I'd be a hipster Christian today if born in the US no matter what I was raised.
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