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51  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Hijab on: March 15, 2017, 09:06:11 am
A girl from my church just posted a rant on Facebook in regards to a local politician wearing a scarf around her head hijab style when speaking a bunch of Somalis at some sort of town hall* about how how much Jesus loves women and didn't degrade them and would never force a woman to wear something like that and how anyone who follows a real religion never should and how she would die before wearing something like that and going against what Jesus wants for all women. God bless her!

*Which IS very stupid and quite patronizing as well, since Somalis wouldn't even expect her to do so and it's not like she was at a mosque or anything.
52  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of non-swing voter on: March 15, 2017, 08:47:03 am
He'd be a Lega Nord supporter in Italy.
53  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia deploying forces in Libya, Egypt on: March 15, 2017, 12:14:13 am
Military presence in Syria had already took a heavy toll on Russia's economy. I doubt thet could afford anything more than limited deployment of special forces.

Great argument for why the CIA (who clearly don't give a f[inks] about Trump and will operate entirely independently of him) need to step it up in these countries as well. Start funding local groups to hit the Russian special forces and any advisors or diplomats they send HARD. Make them bleed. Make it be like Afghanistan all over again.

And I'll preempt anybody who says that doing that in Afghanistan led to al Qaeda or the Taliban: No it didn't, do your research. The Taliban did not exist at any point during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, nor did any group that could accurately be described as a predecessor of them get US backing (outside of perhaps indirectly, as the US gave Pakistan tons of military aid). Most of the groups the US backed went on to become the Northern Alliance. And al Qaeda was a small, mostly irrelevant group at the time not even on the US's radar, whether to support or oppose, and Osama bin Laden played virtually no role in Afghanistan while the Soviet Union existed.

Honestly if you wanted to accuse the US of supporting al Qaeda, you'd have a better case in the former Yugoslavia than in Afghanistan.
54  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Sanders-Trump voters on: March 15, 2017, 12:08:21 am
Most of them are misguided people whom the left should strive to convince rather than demonize.

Trying to convince jfern is about as productive as trying to convince a brick wall. It'd be like wanting to change the color of your house so you stand outside and yell at your house to change its color instead of painting it.
55  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Christian Socialism and the Religious left on: March 15, 2017, 12:07:12 am
My problem with the Christina left is less with the 'left' and more with the 'Christian'. Too many of them deny essentials of the faith.

Good thing you can't say that about the emergent church!
56  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do Hillary voters drink better beer than Trump voters? on: March 14, 2017, 11:54:22 pm
BRTD is seriously a fascinating study in the possibilities of liberal totalitarianism. Don't play with fire, folks, or this could be an entire country someday. I dread to think of what the redshirts would do to countless communities such as mine when they ravage the countryside in a few years.

Don't worry. BRTD will be shocked when he tries to assemble an army of red shirts when 90% of Generation Z are standing against him on the side of the brown shirts ready to kick some commie ass for the greatness of preserving white America.

LOL. Have you read anything I've said about communists in the past year?
57  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:53:14 pm
I didn't say all of Generation Z. I said 90% of the white ones. If the generation is 55% nonhispanic white that'll be just under 50% of the total number of generation z will be nazis Tongue

Again, internet movements, according to you, have a 75% success rate. And there's precedent for racist movements springing forth in societies. It ain't like we're in some post-racial society that'll never drift into another ethnostate.

I agree with TD, if neither party offers up good economic solutions and people keep suffering then people will keep voting on cultural and racial issues. And this will embolden the alt right even more.

Describing any of those as successful is such a ridiculous stretch. Obama withdrew from Iraq on the schedule proposed by the Iraqi government. Sanders did not win the Democratic Party nomination. It looks like the Republicans won't even get a real Obamacare repeal.

Also I thought you weren't serious about the 90% of white Gen Zers being Nazis? Make up your mind! But if you are, please explain how can statistically extrapolate 15k subscribers on a subreddit to 90% of an age bracket including people not born yet.

They were actually quite successful. The Tea Party got their 2010 wave year, forced Obama to cut the deficit hy 2/3s.

What Tea Party policies that made it through the then-Democratic Senate (as opposed to say, oooh, the economy making a huge improvement resulting in higher tax returns) resulted in this?

The anti Iraq people got the neocons in both the Democratic and Republican Party out of the White House. Obama being less hawkish than McCain and Romney, Trump being less hawkish than Hillary on Syria and Russia

There were never any neocons in the Democratic Party in the White House, and while the Iraq War certainly played a role in McCain's defeat, I don't think you can attribute it primarily to Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. That's like saying people burning American flags on college campuses are what forced Nixon to pull out of Vietnam.

and Sanders and his supporters are clearly leading the Democratic Party right now. The democratic leadership will fight tooth and nail to stop them, but they won't succeed since they have zero credibility and no grassroots movement behind them to stop the Sanders insurgency.

Demonstrably false (as proven by Tom Perez) and just projection. Even what level of strength Sanders developed was clearly not due to Occupy Wall Street rallies.

90% was hyperbole. That's why I added the Tongue face. But a decent number of them will either be civic nationalists or white nationalists. And since the youth are already incredibly apathetic towards politics, these loud mouths will be the ones shaping the political dialogue of future youth movements.

And if you weren't 12 years old in 2008 you would've seen that this exact same thing also applied to Millennials in regards to libertarianism and Ron Paul's movement. Except not only were these clearly a vocal minority per voting returns, they didn't even stay as a movement for long, with about half of them turning into alt-right creeps and half becoming Sanders supporting social democrats eight years later. And with most of the once politically apathetic millennials upon getting older actually instead just voting based on their economic reality and social issue stances instead of whatever the dankest memes were promoting once they started voting when older. Imagine that! Maybe 20 years from now previously apathetic Gen Zers struggling with student loans, a probably even more unaffordable housing market, and possible huge economic changes brought on by automation will vote based on issues regarding that instead of whatever people on posting on 4chan then assuming it even still exists.

And seriously, go on 4chan for even 10 minutes, and then tell me that these people, assuming they are all teenagers (every demographics poll I've seen on it implies that it's mostly at least mid-20s neckbeards which doesn't shock me, simplistic image boards like it probably seem as dated to today's high schoolers as landlines were to my age cohort) are the leaders of their generation...and not likely bullied weirdos who are mostly cutting classes and barely passing if passing at all. I know high school has changed a lot since I was in it, but I'm still willing to wager than both the "popular" "cool kids" in it now, and the ones who are academically stellar and likely to go onto Ivy League colleges and other ones that produce the future leaders, are not the ones who producing anti-Semitic Pepe memes.

You still have yet to prove how your subreddit statistics actually DISPROVE the "vocal minority" claims, because really all that does is back it up. Once again, there are more people who voted for Hillary Clinton in my county alone, and your's, than who subscribe to r/The_Donald.

Also generations are magical groups arbitrarily defined by cutoff years that all vote in bloc for the entire age range. Do the youngest Generation Xers born in the late 70s vote like people born during the LBJ Presidency? This actually shows why most talk of generations is nonsensical, do I have more in common with people born in 1997 than in 1979?
58  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:29:23 pm
I didn't say all of Generation Z. I said 90% of the white ones. If the generation is 55% nonhispanic white that'll be just under 50% of the total number of generation z will be nazis Tongue

Again, internet movements, according to you, have a 75% success rate. And there's precedent for racist movements springing forth in societies. It ain't like we're in some post-racial society that'll never drift into another ethnostate.

I agree with TD, if neither party offers up good economic solutions and people keep suffering then people will keep voting on cultural and racial issues. And this will embolden the alt right even more.

Describing any of those as successful is such a ridiculous stretch. Obama withdrew from Iraq on the schedule proposed by the Iraqi government. Sanders did not win the Democratic Party nomination. It looks like the Republicans won't even get a real Obamacare repeal.

Also I thought you weren't serious about the 90% of white Gen Zers being Nazis? Make up your mind! But if you are, please explain how can statistically extrapolate 15k subscribers on a subreddit to 90% of an age bracket including people not born yet.
59  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:21:02 pm
Also do you understand in the slightest why making a projection about the country the size of the US based on a subreddit having 15k subscribers is statistically nonsense? There's more people in Sibley County, MN than every subscribed to r/altright.

Also more people in simply my county alone (and yours for that matter) voted for Hillary than who subscribe to r/The_Donald. Are you familiar with the term "statistically insignificant"?

According to this, over 16 million unique visitors visit DailyKos a month, that's more than 42 times the number of subscribers to The_Donald. In terms of measuring popular support, such statistics are utterly meaningless.
60  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:19:23 pm
And are they still around in any notable way? Remember you are predicting that all of Generation Z including people that haven't been born yet are going to be predominately Nazis on the basis of YouTube comments* and some internet wastelands like 4chan and some subreddits.

*as noted based on this logic most Millennials would be crazy libertarians, not Millennials.
61  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:12:32 pm
OK what's the typical lifespan for memes? Now after thinking about that, think of the lifespan for the following social movements that flourished online:

-The anti-Iraq war movement.
-Paulite libertarianism.
-Occupy Wall Street
-The Tea Party.

Yes, I'm so sure Pepe-meming alt-righters will define the internet in the 2020s. Roll Eyes
62  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials. on: March 14, 2017, 11:08:17 pm
Anyone going to address that Trump isn't going to a major factor to most of Gen Z anyway? Even if we use being born in 2016 as the cutoff for being in this generation, that means that someone born last year would be 4 in 2020 and thus when Trump is possibly leaving office. Even if (God forbid) this isn't the case, they'd be only 8. To be eligible to vote in 2024, you'd have to be born in 2006 at the latest. If we also accept that no one in Gen Z was eligible to vote in 2016 as has been claimed, this puts 1999 as the earliest one could be born in to fit into it. That means only the first seven years of Gen Z will be eligible to vote at the time, less than half if we accept 2016 as the final cutoff.

Trump is going to be at most a vague memory for all but the oldest Gen Zers and all this alt-right/Pepe stuff will be as relevant to most of them as Watergate was to Gen X, the Reagan Revolution and fall of the Soviet Union was to my age group, the Clinton impeachment was to younger Millennials or 9/11 and the Iraq War was to today's teenagers.

There's a decent chance that those born between 2000-2006 will turn 18 under the Trump administration. Yes, he does have a decent shot at reelection. The democrats are doing a piss poor job right now fighting him.

That does not debunk anything in my post.
63  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the show "The Young Turks" on: March 14, 2017, 11:01:33 pm
Was always terrible, has now entered truly uncharted levels of terrible now that they have Michael Tracey on it.
64  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / jfern vs. Greatest I am on: March 14, 2017, 10:56:46 pm
I'd vote for Greatest I am in a heartbeat.
65  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: V for Vendetta on: March 14, 2017, 10:51:49 pm
It is an amazing film. Very long, but every minute had me captured.

? It's 133 minutes long (including the credits.)
66  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which country has the best and worst Communist Party? on: March 14, 2017, 10:45:51 pm
Sequel to this thread.

Best: United States
Worst: Greece
67  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Sanders-Trump voters on: March 14, 2017, 10:35:37 pm
jfern is a Horrible Person.
68  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So apparently Clinton lost because Putin manipulated Sanders supporters. on: March 14, 2017, 10:34:53 pm
even while i am pretty sure, stein and trump aren't paid by the russian intelligence, they are - with or without their consent - tools of the russian counter-narrative and have good connections inside of moscow.

Which is distinct from the far more line that's been both explicitly and implicitly pushed, in much the same fashion as the Obama-Kenya nonsense. Some Republicans flirted with it more openly than others, while others were completely forward about it. Maybe one of the more vocal celebrities pushing the "Trump is a son of Russia!" line will win the Democratic nomination in seven years. Crazier things have happened.

OK why is it that Putin is the one single major world leader that Trump has not insulted or criticized in any way?
69  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do Hillary voters drink better beer than Trump voters? on: March 14, 2017, 10:26:25 pm
who cares?

People who want every single aspect of their life, including their living arrangements, taste in aesthetics, music, TV and film preferences and food drink and drink preferences to reflect their political slant in some way.

In other words, literally nobody except yourself. Gotcha.

I see you've never read the comments at Breitbart.
70  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do Hillary voters drink better beer than Trump voters? on: March 14, 2017, 10:16:13 pm
who cares?

People who want every single aspect of their life, including their living arrangements, taste in aesthetics, music, TV and film preferences and food drink and drink preferences to reflect their political slant in some way.
71  Forum Community / Forum Community / Do Hillary voters drink better beer than Trump voters? on: March 14, 2017, 10:13:27 pm
Let's see:

-Hillary voters: Microwbrewed craft beer, Belgian, Dutch and German imports, and whatever beer blacks like.

-Trump voters: Mass produced piss flavored swill.

Yeah, Hillary voters win.
72  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: V for Vendetta on: March 14, 2017, 09:02:27 pm
More evidence for my suspicion that you are a Democratic Underground poster who went into a coma during the second Bush term and only recently woke up.
73  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Linda Sarsour 2020? on: March 14, 2017, 09:00:44 pm
https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/534073703588700160

Chance at any political office: Over

From 2014. Anyway, Saudi Arabia has surpassed the US in percentage of women in the legislature-

http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/arc/classif010117.htm

Well even if there was only one woman in Congress, the US would have more women in a legislature that has any actual power than there are in Saudi Arabia.
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Linda Sarsour 2020? on: March 14, 2017, 08:57:22 pm
https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/534073703588700160

Chance at any political office: Over
75  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill De Blasio on: March 14, 2017, 08:10:12 pm
I have more or less the same opinion of him as I do of my own mayor Betsy Hodges, which is that he's pretty unnotable but that's usually a good thing in regards to a mayor.
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