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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Hillary Skip NH and Focus on SC Instead? on: February 03, 2016, 02:16:47 pm
Wonder if she'll try the crying stunt again.
52  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul suspending his campaign to focus on re-election to the Senate on: February 03, 2016, 09:21:21 am
Bye bye low energy LOSER!
53  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is President Obama an atheist? on: February 03, 2016, 08:27:05 am
I believed he's as Christian as I am. No reason to believe otherwise.
54  Forum Community / Forum Community / The irony of Christian SJWs vs. Redpill atheists on: February 03, 2016, 02:29:45 am
Even though these groups are basically archnemeses and diametrically opposed...they actually mostly support the same candidate for President. While still hating each other.

Anyone else realize this?
55  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Bernie/Hillary support poll for young/white Forum males by sexual orientation on: February 03, 2016, 01:14:44 am
"Homo" is actually considered a derogatory slur in English. "Hetero" isn't but is still kind of rarely used.
56  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? on: February 02, 2016, 08:48:03 pm
An unfunny played out joke.
57  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Should the King of the Low Energy Losers Jeb! drop out? on: February 02, 2016, 07:47:56 pm
I'd say with under 3% you should take a hint.
58  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political Writing Jobs for Students on: February 02, 2016, 07:11:34 pm
you'd honestly have more chance making money on Youtube "reacting" to stuff.

Oldiesfreak isn't an attractive female who would post such things in her underwear, and YouTube changed the algorithm to kill those a couple years ago anyway.
59  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I have changed my primary vote on: February 02, 2016, 02:25:34 pm
Dare I ask what changed your mind?

[20:51] <BRTD> bedstuy here's the thing: I don't want to go to my caucus and join up with a bunch of olds.
[20:51] <BRTD> while all these cool youngs are in the Sanders subcaucus.

Literally the most BRTD thing imaginable.

How on Earth is this any different from identifying as Catholic even if you believe nothing about it because of "muh culture"? It's almost the exact same thing, making an identification because of your demographic profile in your ethnic background.

I'll explain more after work.
60  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Gallup: secular trend in U.S. religious affiliation is slowly continuing on: February 02, 2016, 09:07:23 am
This is all purely anecdotal and maybe limited only to people in a "hipster"/"alternative" outlook, but basically every person I know in the "None" category went there in the 18-24 category, if not earlier. Far more likely to occur in 25-29 is moving BACK from "None" to Christian rather than moving to "None" for the first time.
61  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I went to church in a suburb today on: February 02, 2016, 12:56:56 am
TWO trips to the burbs? At this pace BRTD will be wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie by 2016.

Send the man his 2016 Republican primary ballot!  

This is kind of ironic in hindsight. The two posters who posted before this post will be voting in the Republican primary this year, and I will not be.

That said, I had a frightening realization today: Most people at church are probably voting for Sanders. AKA they're not voting for my candidate, and I'm associating with people who are voting differently from me in some way. Which is pretty bizarre.

*gasp* The horror!

Sending my prayers to BRTD

He'll never be the same after meeting a non-echo chamber!

RIP.

Well as I said elsewhere I have flipped and support Sanders now.
62  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I went to church in a suburb today on: February 02, 2016, 12:56:23 am
No, there's actually quite a difference. Said synagogues tend to be very loose in terms of theology too and are more just social clubs for ethnic Jews. But this church and the rest of the emergent church movement like it are pretty orthodox (small "o") theologically and it's really NOT possible for anyone going to be simply "culturally emergent", if you're an adult and you go to an emergent church, you have to be a convert. (Well I suppose it's possible if you're in your very early twenties and your parents were very early adopters of it, but that's a miniscule number of people.) And thus there is not any real connection to ethnic background in numbers either. (well except for being almost all white people) No one goes to an emergent church just because they are "culturally" Christian, it's because they believe in Jesus Christ.
I'm actually not sure. While I would agree that many Jews who go to such "temples" do not necessarily believe in the G-d of mainstream orthodox Judaism, I don't think Thomas from NJ would agree with the St. Louis Park church's characterization of the Christian God either. Some Reform temples are, indeed, more ethnic "social clubs" than actual congregations, but in many Reform temples (particularly in the most SJW-like ones), people do believe that it is upon the Jews to be a light to the world and to contribute to repairing the world ("tikkun olam"), and here's where the SJW angle becomes relevant. This is, by the way, theological garbage, as is explained here, but people still perceive Judaism that way and my opinion of this phenomenon is therefore not really relevant, just as Thomas from NJ's opinion of SJW churches' theology doesn't change the fact that there are Christians who do believe in Jesus as an "all liberal, all the time" SJW.

Also don't forget "faith" is much less of a necessity to function in a Jewish congregation than in a Christian congregation to begin with. For instance, I have no idea if the hazzan of my (orthodox) shul believes in G-d (though probably he does), and I'm even less sure about my fellow congregants. It does not really matter.

Your post about the sermon you attended, by the way, immediately reminded me of this.

Well of course Thomas from NJ wouldn't agree with it, but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the tendency of some liberal mainline churches to move away from or at least downplay basic Christian theological concepts, like the ones that say "Well maybe the Resurrection is just metaphorical." I remember a guy explaining to me that at a United Church of Christ confirmation, the Apostle's Creed is recited, but the Confirmation sponsors are not only told it's OK but actually encouraged to sit down during any part of that they don't believe in, which strikes me as very silly. I can understand not saying it, but geez no need to make a scene. Basically some of them are just one step away from Unitarianism, and are basically social clubs in a way. Now that is true of the hipster churches, who tend to be very solid on theological stuff and uncompromising, even if they hold to liberal politics. So quite a bit different from Reform Jews too.

But here's my main point: As stated, there is no such thing as people who are ethnically or "culturally" emergent. No one goes to an emergent church because it's some tradition that's existed in their family for generations because it's too young of a movement for that to be possible. So if someone's going to an emergent church, they obviously believe in God. Plus people doing all that hand raising and shaking and swaying in worship stuff is something that someone wouldn't do if it was only part of their heritage to them.

As far as your second point goes...yeah that kind of proves mine. No one's going to play in an emergent church band if they don't believe in it. It can't be just a cultural thing to them, because it's something YOU have to choose. Imagine a shul that consisted exclusively of converts to Judaism...OK it's not a perfect analogy since the vast majority of people in the emergent church were raised Christian even if a different type, but I think the point is clear.

And the last sentence makes a lot of sense, because hipster Christians tend to love Upworthy.

Actually this sums it perfectly:

Yes. The idea of standing within a tradition that goes back for centuries and being responsible for continuing this tradition. Jews in Europe also get confronted with being Jewish often (more so than in the US, I'd wager) and it seems there are fewer non-religious Jewish events, so people go to synagogue to stay in touch with their roots -- although non-religious reasons are much more important for Jews who go to Reform shuls (which, in the Netherlands, are much more conservative than most Reform shuls in the US) than to Orthodox shuls.

Yeah see, it makes no sense for someone to go to an emergent church to "continue tradition" or "stay in touch with their roots". So it's liberal SJW legitimate Christians. Not liberal SJWs from a Christian background.
63  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is the most METAL political ideology of all time... on: February 02, 2016, 12:02:57 am
Einzige-style fascism obviously.
64  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 01, 2016, 08:45:32 pm
Entrance polls:

Sanders with 85% of voters under 30.

And that is why I have switched my support to Sanders.
65  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I have changed my primary vote on: February 01, 2016, 08:43:18 pm
And where are you voting ?

Minnesota votes March 1.
66  Forum Community / Forum Community / I have changed my primary vote on: February 01, 2016, 08:36:11 pm
I now support Sanders, FYI.
67  Forum Community / Forum Community / Have you ever consumed alcohol in Iowa? on: February 01, 2016, 07:54:24 pm
Inspired by IRC discussion.

Yes I have.
68  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jesus on: February 01, 2016, 07:06:13 pm
Gee take a guess as to how I voted.
69  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / For possibly the last time: LOLJeb on: February 01, 2016, 10:00:33 am
https://twitter.com/MChisholm/status/694168102280531968
70  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I went to church in a suburb today on: February 01, 2016, 09:06:53 am
There are also "synagogues" like this, at least in the US. Wouldn't enter them if I got payed big money for it, and that's quite the Jewish dilemma Smiley

No, there's actually quite a difference. Said synagogues tend to be very loose in terms of theology too and are more just social clubs for ethnic Jews. But this church and the rest of the emergent church movement like it are pretty orthodox (small "o") theologically and it's really NOT possible for anyone going to be simply "culturally emergent", if you're an adult and you go to an emergent church, you have to be a convert. (Well I suppose it's possible if you're in your very early twenties and your parents were very early adopters of it, but that's a miniscule number of people.) And thus there is not any real connection to ethnic background in numbers either. (well except for being almost all white people) No one goes to an emergent church just because they are "culturally" Christian, it's because they believe in Jesus Christ.
71  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: This is the atheist capital of America on: February 01, 2016, 01:34:25 am
Luckily despite this there is still no shortage of people in Portland who truly follow Christ. Check out the title of this article: http://www.pdxmonthly.com/articles/2009/12/11/religion-liberal-christians-0110

worthy of note:

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As USA Today religion columnist Tom Krattenmaker recently argued, there is “the strong likelihood that Christianity’s best face is showing up here in the unchurched mecca not in spite of the city’s secularism and skepticism, but because of them.” Or, as City Commissioner Nick Fish speculated last spring when an unprecedented collective effort of churches called the Season of Service presented our openly gay (and famously sinful) mayor with a $100,000 check to curb dropout rates in schools, “Perhaps someday we’ll be known as Jesus’s favorite city.”
72  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I went to church in a suburb today on: February 01, 2016, 12:59:05 am
TWO trips to the burbs? At this pace BRTD will be wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie by 2016.

Send the man his 2016 Republican primary ballot!  

This is kind of ironic in hindsight. The two posters who posted before this post will be voting in the Republican primary this year, and I will not be.

That said, I had a frightening realization today: Most people at church are probably voting for Sanders. AKA they're not voting for my candidate, and I'm associating with people who are voting differently from me in some way. Which is pretty bizarre.
73  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of RFayette's signatures? on: January 31, 2016, 11:17:08 pm
Man remember when afleitch and others said I was going to turn into some sort of crazy fundamentalist? LOL.

I know you get really hard when you do your 'remember when' stuff about me (mostly on AAD). You may actually have saved yourself because you are the effectively the liberal Mike Naso; you've basically been in stasis for the past decade Cheesy

Oh yeah, as evidenced by my continuing extreme hatred of Hillary Clinton since 2008 and my support for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary to oppose her.
74  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Greetings on: January 31, 2016, 10:41:32 pm
So some notable things you missed:

-Libertas was unbanned and rebanned within a week, in a totally unjust action, which inspired me to write this, my favorite post of mine on this forum of all time:

Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, but early the next morning he logged back on the forum. A crowd soon gathered in IRC and he started posting with them. As he was typing, the moderators of the forum and the ban brigade brought a woman who had been caught in the act of trolling. They put her in front of the forum.

"Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of trolling. The site's Terms of Service says to ban her. What do you say?”

They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and started playing Candy Crush on his phone. They kept demanding an answer, so he posted again and said, “All right, but let the one who is without infraction cast the first death point!" Then he stooped down again and played some more Candy Crush.

When the accusers read this, they started logging off one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was on the forum with the woman. Then Jesus started posting again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

“No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and troll no more.”

-Your beloved death points have been abolished.

-Tweed was banned for leaking content from the mod forum. So think about all you've said there...we've read it.
75  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Pro-Life People Only: How Should Abortion be Punished? on: January 31, 2016, 07:32:15 pm
Using "It's the present year!" as an argument is pretty silly because there is no inherent set in time date when things become acceptable. They do when they do and people in the future judge times accordingly. So for example someone in 2014 saying "Man it's ridiculous that it's 2014 and gays still can't get married everywhere in the US!" would in 50 years look just as silly as someone saying "I can't believe it's 1963 and we still have racial segregation in the South!" to us today. Now on the other hand if you say something like "Switzerland is so reactionary it didn't grant women the right to vote until 1971!" that's a bit difference, because by 1971 women's suffrage was a completely accepted thing throughout almost all of Europe and other western countries, but someone in Switzerland campaigning for it in 1970 shouldn't have said "Come on, it's 1970!" and instead pointed out Switzerland was the only developed country without women's suffrage.

It also ignores that some issues can go through parabolas of acceptance (of which abortion has been one.) For example today everyone thinks Prohibition is some insane backward policy that the people in the backward time of 1920 might've supported but no one would today. But if you went back to 85 years prior to Prohibition, everyone would've found it just as insane as we do today, and alcohol consumption rates were FAR higher.
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