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51  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roe Died on: February 19, 2017, 09:24:06 pm
Honestly, I tend to think she was taken advantage of by Sarah Weddington, who was basically just out to make a name for herself. And I say that as someone whose views would generally be regarded as pro-choice.

If the abortion rights movement had simply been content to let abortion slowly become legalized state-by-state, it would have been much harder for a cohesive pro-life movement to metastasize onto the Christian Right and create such a major backlash.
Was abortion even much of a political issue before Roe v. Wade?



 Red-  Illegal.
 Purple- Legal in cases of rape.
 Blue-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health.
 Green-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health, rape or incest, or likely damaged fetus.
 Yellow-  Legal upon request.


WTF New Jersey? Granted I guess you could just go to New York so it wasn't that big of a deal, but still weird. Also how is the South more progressive than most of the country?

The current "battle lines" on abortion did not exist in the early 1970s.

At that time, you still had a lot of Catholics in the Northeast who had a traditionalist stance on abortion (or rather, they didn't really think too much about abortion specifically, but they deferred to the Church, which opposed it). An example of this was Prescott Bush (Episcopalian Republican) getting defeated for reelection to the Senate in Connecticut in 1962 because Catholics (already Democratic-leaning) regarded him as too pro-choice/pro-birth control.

Mainline Protestants were okay with abortion and birth control, and conservative Protestants simply didn't address it (they weren't out agitating to support it, but they weren't actively opposing it). The Southern Baptist Convention didn't even take an official position on abortion until the late 1970s in response to the Roe decision.

The relatively permissive regulations in the South make sense when you consider how completely neurotic these people were about miscegenation and family honor. If their daughter was raped by a black man, they wanted to know they had the ability to "take care of the matter." Note the illegality in Catholic Louisiana, and in Tennessee and Texas with their relatively small black populations.

Then why was it illegal in my home state and all states of the region I wonder.
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 19, 2017, 04:29:33 pm
Oklahoma City's airport is named after Will Rogers so I don't see the problem with Wellstone.
53  General Politics / Individual Politics / Has the phrase "identity politics" become as worthless as "neoliberalism"? on: February 19, 2017, 02:03:10 pm
Pretty much.
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Grassley: The US shouldn't blame Russia for meddling cause of... Italy 1948 on: February 19, 2017, 02:01:27 pm
So the whole point of the Bologna bombing was just to hope communists were blamed for it?
55  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: February 19, 2017, 01:35:54 pm
Classic Conservative is a great example of why Inglorious Basterds should be mandatory viewing in high schools.

What? Why?

The movie seriously triggers right wingers and racists. Based on the IMDB boards on it (soon RIP) shortly after its release, it was full of fascists raving about how this movie was a "sick sign of what the country has become in Obama's America" (remember this is just shortly after Obama was elected) and ravings about how it "demonized Germans" or screaming that anyone who watched cheering the Basterds or thought they were awesome were just as bad as Nazis or the sort of person who'd probably be a Nazi themselves if they lived in Germany at the time. I can't imagine the alt-right today is too fond of the film for that reason.

I assumed you thought that it taught a lesson or something. So the point is to make high school Nazis mad?

The lesson is that being a Nazi is bad.
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 19, 2017, 01:15:39 pm
Go with the obvious and Floyd B. Olson.

My opinion of him is actually, uh, pretty mixed. You rarely hear today about how he was one of the most mob-connected Governors in the country: http://www.citypages.com/news/the-forgotten-crime-boss-kid-cann-the-original-teflon-don-reigned-over-minneapolis-6570344
57  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 19, 2017, 01:13:55 pm
Do Paul Wellstone. That or Jesse "The Body" Terminal!

I can assure you that one of the worst Governors in the state history will not ever have anything major named after him.
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Tom Reed (R, NY-23) fiercely criticized at town hall on: February 19, 2017, 01:08:54 pm
I almost wish I didn't have such an awesome congresswoman (Karen Bass Pramila Jayapal Keith Ellison) so that I could attend one of these confrontational town halls.
59  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: February 19, 2017, 01:06:18 pm
Classic Conservative is a great example of why Inglorious Basterds should be mandatory viewing in high schools.

What? Why?

The movie seriously triggers right wingers and racists. Based on the IMDB boards on it (soon RIP) shortly after its release, it was full of fascists raving about how this movie was a "sick sign of what the country has become in Obama's America" (remember this is just shortly after Obama was elected) and ravings about how it "demonized Germans" or screaming that anyone who watched cheering the Basterds or thought they were awesome were just as bad as Nazis or the sort of person who'd probably be a Nazi themselves if they lived in Germany at the time. I can't imagine the alt-right today is too fond of the film for that reason.
60  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Should the MSP airport Charles Lindbergh Terminal be renamed? on: February 19, 2017, 12:54:19 pm
Currently there are two terminals. One is named after Lindbergh, the other after Hubert Humphrey.

I really dislike having a terminal named after that fascist in our airport and it bothers me every time I'm there. I favor renaming it the Barack Obama Terminal. Or if it has to be a Minnesotan, then the Paul Wellstone Terminal.
61  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: February 19, 2017, 12:31:44 pm
Classic Conservative is a great example of why Inglorious Basterds should be mandatory viewing in high schools.
62  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Iowa a lost cause for democrats? on: February 19, 2017, 12:14:41 pm
Trump is quite unpopular in Iowa now per the latest poll.
63  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roe Died on: February 19, 2017, 12:54:25 am
Honestly, I tend to think she was taken advantage of by Sarah Weddington, who was basically just out to make a name for herself. And I say that as someone whose views would generally be regarded as pro-choice.

If the abortion rights movement had simply been content to let abortion slowly become legalized state-by-state, it would have been much harder for a cohesive pro-life movement to metastasize onto the Christian Right and create such a major backlash.
Was abortion even much of a political issue before Roe v. Wade?



 Red-  Illegal.
 Purple- Legal in cases of rape.
 Blue-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health.
 Green-  Legal in cases of danger to woman's health, rape or incest, or likely damaged fetus.
 Yellow-  Legal upon request.


WTF New Jersey? Granted I guess you could just go to New York so it wasn't that big of a deal, but still weird. Also how is the South more progressive than most of the country?
64  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is New Jersey the worst non-southern state? on: February 19, 2017, 12:47:03 am
Oklahoma is not really part of the south, so...
65  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Tom Reed (R, NY-23) fiercely criticized at town hall on: February 19, 2017, 12:43:29 am
The PVI of this district is kind of misleading, it's a combination of heavily Republican rural areas that probably swung toward Trump along with Ithaca. Ithaca prevents it from being too Republican but the district is heavily polarized and there's not a whole lot a Democrat could gain in Ithaca. Of course one possibility is Ithaca turnout surges and rural turnout craters, very likely in a bad Trump midterm.
66  Forum Community / Forum Community / Are you a fighter for a Judeo-Christian Europe? on: February 18, 2017, 11:36:54 pm
LOL. Just LOL.
67  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Averroes Nix Center for Burn Victims on: February 18, 2017, 10:36:49 pm
You people really need a life.

Have bolder words ever been written by a self-proclaimed warrior for a "Judeo-Christian Empire"?

I can think of exactly one use that most white nationalists would have for an effete little ignoramus like you, and I think that it's safe to say that it's not a role that you would relish, cabin boy.
68  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Irony Oremine on: February 18, 2017, 10:35:59 pm

Also:

You people really need a life.
69  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: February 18, 2017, 01:41:59 pm
Generic platitudes about muh commies are now the height of hindsight, according to the still hilariously-named BRTD. Roll Eyes

There's two things that made me completely turn against communism:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=6976;sa=showPosts
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=6269;sa=showPosts

And of course a realization that if there was any value to Marxism whatsoever, then why does no one except for edgy teenagers and college kids support it today?

If there was any value to hipster Christianity whatsoever, then why does no one except for hipsters practice it?

My lead pastor is a 45-year old father of two who lives in Edina.

Exactly, and the point you made is similarly silly.

So Marxists exist today who aren't Snowstalker-ish edgelords, people who casually talk about genocide and gulags as something completely necessary and OK and/or can only communicate in unreadably dense walls of text? Then why are they virtually impossible to find? I mean you'd think this forum with its wide variety of ideologies would attract at least a few.

None of this has anything to do with how terrible Italian communists circa 1948 were of course.

You are out of your element Donny (Dude/BRTD)

Pray tell how terrible the Italian Communists were in '48?

So look at a country where the Italian Communists were the only political movement actively engaged in the armed struggle against a brutal Fascist regime for decades, over ten years prior to the rise of the Nazis in Germany....

Sure, there were a few brutal incidents in several provinces of Italy against Fascists and collaborators, in areas that had experienced mass brutality and and genocide.... does it make it right, no.

Meanwhile you have the US/UK secret intelligence agencies that subverted the first Post WW II "Free Elections" in Italy, that basically turned the levers of power over to our "allies" that allowed the rise of the Mafia, and breaking the backs of the Communist Dock Workers in the Port Cities of Marseilles and Naples, essentially created the biggest criminal cartel network that Europe had ever experienced.....

I would recommend checking out the movie "The French Connection" and I can certainly provide you with links to academic books that describe this in much more extensive detail...

Based upon some of your comments regarding US domestic politics, I assumed you were a well read individual, but quite frankly sir, your apologies for European Fascism/Nazism and trying to create a false moral equivalency based upon Minnesota social norms of 2017, is getting a bit tiring, and a true disservice to those that fought and died in Nazi and Fascist Europe during WW II.

Seeing as how I'm pro-Antifa and love Inglorious Basterds, I really don't see how I'm making apologies for European Fascism/Nazism. Which was also irrelevant in 1948 and weren't taking part in the election, rather it was a centrist party (which was also insanely corrupt yes and not really worth defending against anyone other than Stalinists, but at least they didn't send thousands of Italian to labor camps.)

As for why the Italian Communists in 1948 were terrible, gee I don't know, because they were openly supportive of Stalin? I mean, SERIOUSLY. Furthermore look at, I don't know, EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE WITH A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT. They were awful everywhere.

(Also the election was hardly "rigged" by the CIA, as Al noted it wasn't particularly close and it's clear the Communists wouldn't have won without the CIA's involvement either. Furthermore it also completely ignores the massive Soviet intervention as well. Take out both the Soviets and CIA and it's clear that DC would've still won.)
70  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Grammys are racist? on: February 18, 2017, 01:10:33 pm
Speaking as someone who couldn't care less about the Grammys or Beyonce or Adele, I'd say that trying to argue that the woman who has won 22 Grammys already and holds the record as the second highest number of Grammys won by a female artist denied yet another one due to racism is a pretty damn weak case.

Furthermore I'd also say that even caring about who won the award in a category where Justin Bieber was nominated is pretty absurd. The Grammys have about as much credibility as the Teen Choice Awards.
71  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What would a hardline version of Antonio V be like? on: February 18, 2017, 12:58:29 pm
They don't really exist anymore. They died out around the turn of the century.
72  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What would a hardline version of Antonio V be like? on: February 18, 2017, 10:19:35 am
Sound like run-of-the-mill Nazis too me. Hitler was a vegetarian and a friend to animals.

They didn't hate Jews or believe in white supremacy though.
73  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NH-GOV 2018: Sununu suffers major political defeat as right to work fails on: February 18, 2017, 06:26:27 am
HA HA KRAZEN!
74  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton to run for NY Senate 2020 if Gillibrand gets the nomination on: February 18, 2017, 06:14:17 am
OK guys, the prediction is still quite inane. Carl Paladino already ran for statewide office in New York, he had a terrible opponent far worse than any Clinton and it was a wave year. And he still got crushed.
75  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mark Cuban for the Democrats? on: February 18, 2017, 06:00:04 am
He's an atheist who named his boat after an Ayn Rand novel. Come on.
And?! Americans should seriously stop vilifying Atheists. It's disgusting. The polls where a majority says they wouldn't vote for an atheist are almost as bad as the old polls where a majority wouldn't vote for a woman or a homosexual.
Anyway, absolutely not for Cuban.

Should != will
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