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60976  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 02:36:13 pm
I'd much rather live in Saddam's Iraq than Saudi Arabia.

Saddam's Iraq doesn't exist anymore, so that's a safe choice.  I think you need to live in a country like that for a while.  It may cure you of some of your cockeyed ideas.

my cockeyed ideas? I'm not a Ba'athist, so I have no clue what you're talking about.


I never meant to say you were a Ba'athist.  But your take on a lot of issues is a little off from the average person's.  "Unique perspective" is a better term than cockeyed.

well what you're basically saying is I would not enjoy living in Saddam's Iraq. well, gee, duh. I wouldn't enjoy living in Saudi Arabia either. If forced to choose though, I'd take Saddam, as would anyone Christian or person who enjoys alcohol, or any woman.
60977  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Consider that you are voting... on: April 30, 2005, 02:19:17 pm
well the situation isn't as bad now. Catholics taking over would basically be a Zimbabwe solution, you go from mistreating one group to mistreating another. Given the choice between a fairly socially progressive country like the UK, and a country as socially conservative as the Republican of Ireland, I'll take the UK any day.
60978  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should people have to own 1/5 of an acre of land to vote? on: April 30, 2005, 02:16:26 pm
Chicago doesn't make the rules for the rest of the state. If everyone in a state besides Chicago votes against them, Chicago loses. But that doesn't happen because enough people in the state agree with Chicago, and a majority share Chicago's opinion. So the majority wins. It's fair.
60979  General Politics / Political Debate / Hugo Chavez vs. the Saudi Royals on: April 30, 2005, 02:10:22 pm
Another matchup. I wonder how Republicans are going to argue Chavez is worse. In the case of Saddam a case can be made, but Chavez never used poision gas, never invaded another country, doesn't execute political prisoners, etc. And yet you don't think Bush will be hugging and kissing Chavez any time soon, do you?
60980  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 01:46:35 pm
Saddam gave men and women the same rights all right. He would kill them both at the same time with the same type of poison gas.

yes, and the Saudis respect their citizens so much.

We should have hung Saddam by a sour apple tree the day we found him cowering in that spider hole.

I wouldn't have minded that. We should've also given Abdullah the same treatment.
60981  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 01:42:16 pm
Good for you, but why is Saddam better than the Saudis again?

He didn't persecute Christians.
60982  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 01:41:30 pm
I'd much rather live in Saddam's Iraq than Saudi Arabia.

Saddam's Iraq doesn't exist anymore, so that's a safe choice.  I think you need to live in a country like that for a while.  It may cure you of some of your cockeyed ideas.

my cockeyed ideas? I'm not a Ba'athist, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

I never said I'd enjoy Saddam's Iraq, but at least I could buy alcohol and wouldn't be arrested for practicing my religion. And while I could get in major trouble for just criticizing Saddam, the same is true in Saudi Arabia, so there are no advantages.
60983  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 01:33:57 pm
I'd much rather live in Saddam's Iraq than Saudi Arabia.
60984  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Survivor Group One- Round VII on: April 30, 2005, 01:31:11 pm
Philip
60985  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Survivor Group Two- Round VII on: April 30, 2005, 01:29:29 pm
TN2024
60986  General Politics / Political Debate / Who is worse? on: April 30, 2005, 01:25:32 pm
Definately the Saudi Royals. At least Saddam gave women basically equal rights under the law and allowed Christians to practice their religion.
60987  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Muslims arrest 40 Christians for praying on: April 30, 2005, 01:24:29 pm
Is Saudi Arabia at war with a country we're at war with?

The Bush family has had ties with the House of Saud for years anyway. Anyone who negotiaties with the House of Saud is a traitor to the US.
60988  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Kerry vs Sanford on: April 30, 2005, 12:44:40 pm
Wow, I thought Sanford was overrated but not to the level where people'd expect him to take California and New Jersey. Why would those states love a southernor from the state known for Bob Jones University and Strom Thurmond?

Most of these fellows don't realize that on the West Coast and in the Northeast, most people simply don't like Southern Republicans, don't trust them, and view them as religious nuts.

this is true even in lots of rural parts of Minnesota and the rest of the Midwest. Even if the people are socially conservative, they do not like southern born agains.
60989  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Consider that you are voting... on: April 30, 2005, 12:34:06 pm
How can they tell if you're Catholic or Protestant and thus in the "wrong" group when you're in an area?
60990  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Consider that you are voting... on: April 30, 2005, 12:29:07 pm
What would Protestants gain from reunification with Ireland? They have no reason to support Sinn Fein or the IRA terrorist thugs. Protestant have as much reason to like Sinn Fein as Catholics do to like the DUP. Not to mention Gerry Adams is a dispicable piece of human trash, just like Paisley.

BRTD a little damned consistency would go a long way.  From anyone else I could accept those comments but not from someone who consistantly glorifies any leftist with an AK or tin horn leftist dictator. 

As for what the Protestants would gain, who knows?  The land was stolen and given to Protestant settlers.  I will remind you of your staggering hypocrisy when you decry the plight of the Black south Africans and called the murder of Apartheid police officers completely justified.  The Protestant community is entrenched though and I personally pray for continued peace.

actually you're making a common error that many here do quit frequently and confusing supporting someone with wanting to have sex with them. I had made my condemnation of groups like Shining Path pretty clear.

Now if Catholics were prohibited from most jobs, prohibited from living anywhere but the slumbs, were required to have a special pass to travel to many areas, were prohibited from buying alcohol and were forced to use segregated transportation that was far inferior, than it could be compared to apartheid. Even then one could fairly easily escape their situation and convert to Protestantism, but you can't change your skin color. As for the land stealing, that might be a legitimate complaint but I doubt you'd be too fond of Native Americans demanding that you leave now and they be given the whole country back. You can't punish people now for what their ancestors did 300 years ago.
60991  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Minnesota with Atlasia party system (sort of) on: April 30, 2005, 12:12:07 pm
if Minneapolis has any wealthy, socially (but not economically) left-leaning inner city suburbs, I'd win it tyvm Smiley

In places like Richfield, New Brighton and St. Louis Park you'd do well.
60992  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Domestic Terorrism on: April 30, 2005, 01:00:28 am
this highlights yet another key difference between right and left: Even when the left resorts to violent terrorist means, they don't kill anyone. ELF specially makes it clear that they are not to harm anyone in any action, and so far they have killed no one.

Now compare that to the OKC bombing and Eric Rudolph.
60993  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: VT-Gov: Jim Douglas Taking Lots of Heat on: April 30, 2005, 12:57:16 am
Shaheen wasn't in a presidential year.
60994  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: VT-Gov: Jim Douglas Taking Lots of Heat on: April 30, 2005, 12:50:42 am
Making progress would mean a significant gain, that's not likely, but this seat would be a hold (since Jeffords is a de facto Democrat anyway). So it's really about as relavant as the fact that if Ted Kennedy or Orrin Hatch retired, neither seat would have any chance of switching.

I simply can not see how anyone can argue Douglas is in a better position than William Weld or Tony Knowles. Or even Jeanne Shaheen.
60995  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: VT-Gov: Jim Douglas Taking Lots of Heat on: April 30, 2005, 12:42:59 am
His odds at winning the Senate race are virtually zero.
I'd assume he has a reasonable chance at winning re-election to governor.
He might have a slight chance at winning the House seat, but that probably wouldn't be that high, either.

you got it.
60996  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: H.R. 748- Interstate Parental Notification Act on: April 30, 2005, 12:40:37 am
This law endangers young women. Hopefully it will get overturned.

Can we please ban people who say everything they like is constitutional and everything they don't like isn't?

pot to kettle: YOU'RE BLACK!
60997  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Muslims arrest 40 Christians for praying on: April 30, 2005, 12:39:41 am
Dumb liberals. Know nothing about middle eastern culture. "Kissing" is a sign of greeting in middle eastern culture. And it doesnt matter whether you are a muslim or not because christian arabs do it as well. My lebanese family members do that as well. And lastly, islam is a religion of death not of peace.

well since you agree Islam is a religion of death not peace than Bush should not be meeting with this muderous anti-Christian butcher, right? The fact that he's the guy ahead of this regime here means that the right thing to do would be to ensure that his visit included a carefully placed sniper, not being nice to him.
60998  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Minnesota with Atlasia party system (sort of) on: April 30, 2005, 12:38:01 am
OK, here's the Senate:

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20021105/SenDistMap.asp

1 Freedom
2 Farmer Labor
3 Farmer Labor

4 Freedom
5 Farmer Labor
6 Farmer Labor
7 Farmer Labor
8 Freedom
9 Freedom

10 MCA
11 Freedom
12 Freedom
13 Freedom
14 MCA
15 Farmer Labor
16 MCA
17 MCA
18 MCA
19 MCA

20 Farmer Labor
21 MCA
22 Freedom
23 Farmer Labor

24 Freedom
25 Freedom
26 MCA

27 Farmer Labor
28 Freedom

29 Constitutional Union
30 Farmer Labor*
31 Farmer Labor
32 MCA
33 MCA
34 MCA
35 Constitutional Union
36 MCA
37 Constitutional Union
38 Constitutional Union

39 Farmer Labor
40 Constitutional Union
41 Constitutional Union
42 Constitutional Union
43 Constitutional Union

44 Independent Liberal
45 Independent Liberal
46 Farmer Labor
47 Constitutional Union

48 Constitutional Union
49 Constitutional Union

50 Independent Liberal
51 Constitutional Union

52 Constitutional Union**
53 Constitutional Union

54 Independent Liberal
55 Independent Liberal

56 Constitutional Union
57 Constitutional Union
58 Farmer Labor
59 Farmer Labor
60 Farmer Labor
61 Farmer Labor
62 Independent Liberal
63 Independent Liberal
64 Farmer Labor
65 Farmer Labor
66 Farmer Labor
67 Farmer Labor


*This district is actually held a member of the Minnesota Independence Party, but she caucuses with and usually votes with the Democrats.

**despite the fact that this seat is currently held by an EXTREMELY bigoted ultra-religious right nutjob, it is a socially moderate area that wasn't aware of how crazy she was when they elected her. After the last election she has seriously gone off the deep end.

Farmer Labor - 21
Freedom - 11
MCA - 13
Constitutional Union - 16
Independent Liberal - 7
60999  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Kerry vs Sanford on: April 30, 2005, 12:34:45 am
He could probably even lose Massachussetts if he ran a bad campaign and the Greens had someone on the ballot.

Now Ive heard it all.

Well this is coming from someone who argued Kerry had a realistic chance of losing Vermont.

Bush did better in 9 states than Kerry did in MA, and that was a close election.

and that proves nothing except that if a massive landslide were to ahppen in which Kerry lost MA, an equal landslide in reverse would result in the Republican only winning 9 states. That does not mean that either one is a very likely or realistic possibility.

The idea that things will be going perfectly fine in Iraq by 2008 makes me crack up, and Bush's low approval ratings now aren't even largely because of Iraq anyway.
61000  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sources say Saudi King clinically dead on: April 29, 2005, 10:30:52 pm
well yes, but now he may finally be dead.
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