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60976  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Did the invasion of Iraq benefit Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 11:40:52 pm
Lebanon's cedar revolution

As mentioned, happened for completely unrelated reasons.

Saudi local elections

which are even less democratic than Iran's.

Egyptian Presidential elections...

which is still mostly a joke, much like Iran's elections.

Plus none of those were related to Iraq anyway. Saudi Arabia and Egypt know the US will never invade them, they obviously didn't think that they better make some joke reforms to give semblence of democracy or they'd be invaded. I don't see any effects from Iraq at all.

I know you don't believe the argument that when Arabs see voting in Iraq, they will demand it in their own countries and those governments will have to relent.  I'm going to restate that argument anyway.

Lebanon is, therefore, related to Iraq.

I disagree that Iran's elections are any more democratic than Saudi or Egypt's.

Whether they are more or less democratic than Iran's elections is irrelevant to whether the catalyst was the invasion of Iraq.

Voting in Iraq assasinated Rafik Hariri?

Aside from that, Lebanon had previously been a democracy, and still had somewhat fair elections up until then, just as fair as you could get in a country under military occupation by a foreign power. Kind of like Iraq. Lebanon had a "democracy" similar to what is currently in Iraq, and yet we're expected to believe they wanted a better one and a occupying foreign power to leave because of Iraq and not because of the assasination of an opposition leader. Uh huh.

And to argue there is no way the Cedar Revolution could've possibly happened without Iraq is just asinine.

As for Iran being more democratic than Saudi Arabia or Egypt, women can vote in Iran, and it's possible for the opposition not supported by the establishment to win as the last election proved (scary as that guy who won is.) Yet how much did Mukabarak win by again? Not to mention the regimes in both countries were very stable and there was no threat of them falling if they didn't toss in some joke reforms that absolutely no one in the countries would've demanded without Iraq.
60977  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the new Iraqi government friendly to Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 11:37:52 pm
So how about Russia and China, which are friendly to Iran?  Friends or enemies?

Enemies of course. Do you honestly think I'm a fan of Putin and the corporatist regime in China or something?
60978  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: *Official Election 2005 Results Thread* on: November 08, 2005, 11:36:12 pm
I had a pretty awful day at work, so I was really hoping once I got home I would see that Kaine pulled an upset and I would feel better. I do. Smiley
60979  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Minneapolis/ St. Paul Mayoral Elections on: November 08, 2005, 11:30:48 pm
Great results, BRTD.

Do you think Rybak will run for Senate in 2008?

It's possible but I don't think he would be too great of a candidate statewide. More likely is that he goes for Sabo's House seat once he retires.
60980  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: *Official Election 2005 Results Thread* on: November 08, 2005, 11:26:56 pm
I can't confirm it yet, but I've heard that the results have Kaine winning VIRGINIA BEACH. Enough said.

I can't wait to see Goldie show up. Smiley
60981  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Minneapolis/ St. Paul Mayoral Elections on: November 08, 2005, 11:25:34 pm
Kelly went down 70-30

Still counting in Minneapolis I believe, but the latest numbers I see have Rybak 63, McLaughlin 37
60982  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Scoonie vs. Jake on: November 08, 2005, 02:09:25 pm
A moderate who is very partisan vs. a fascist. Who do you vote for?
60983  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Did the invasion of Iraq benefit Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 01:37:22 pm
Lebanon's cedar revolution

As mentioned, happened for completely unrelated reasons.

Saudi local elections

which are even less democratic than Iran's.

Egyptian Presidential elections...

which is still mostly a joke, much like Iran's elections.

Plus none of those were related to Iraq anyway. Saudi Arabia and Egypt know the US will never invade them, they obviously didn't think that they better make some joke reforms to give semblence of democracy or they'd be invaded. I don't see any effects from Iraq at all.
60984  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. a Muslim Republican on: November 08, 2005, 01:31:37 pm
But not all of them.  If this candidate is, youíre gonna have to tell us that, or weíll just assume heís a normal guy.

Like I said, he's basically just a standard conservative. Although you mentioned like Santorum, in which case he would be those things.

Iíve never met a Muslim in RL, but Iím sure that the actual majority of them are normal people.

I have. Quite a few actually. I've had beers with them, and gone to strip clubs with them. Of course, those that I mention were the 100% MINO types I said a Muslim would have to be to be like me (and yes, I would vote for such a person over Bush)

However I have seen much more negative aspects from others, such as as I mentioned before Somali gangs vandalizing Christian churches for seemingly no reason at all aside from being a different religion. Even I don't vandalize mosques.

Christianity has some wackos, but only opebo would lump us all together.  Condemn those who are extremist, not the whole religion.

Couldn't the same thing be said about communists? Do you condemn all communists or just ones like Stalin, Mao, etc? Most conservatives don't make a differentiation.

The thing is, the extremists seem to be in power everywhere. Like I've siad many times, if Utah was an independent country, it'd be more liberal than just about any Muslim country.

Pretty much the only Muslim country that can be comparable to any Western country in such terms is Turkey, and even in that case it's only because of the reforms of Ataturk. And Turkey still arrests journalists for writing about the genocide of Christian Armenians. In supposedly "moderate" Indonesia, the Miss Universe contestant this year was the first ever since beauty pagants have actually be banned there for a long time, and she still received death threats, despite the fact she only wore a one-piece swimsuite for that competition, not a bikini.

Funny, you criticize them by saying they are ďhomophobic,Ē yet your obviously islamphobic, is there really that much of a difference?  Being prejudice is being prejudice, no matter what group itís against.

No it's not. I hate Nazis. Does that make me a "Naziphobe" and prejudiced against them?
60985  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the new Iraqi government friendly to Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 01:02:09 pm
No, because they're Sunnis.

Iran and the new Iraqi government are natural allies, as they are the only countries in the world now ran by Shiites.

Is that good or bad, in your view?

bad of course. Anything that's friendly to Iran is bad and Shiites are one horrible awful group meaning they shouldn't run anything. Of course just because the Saudis aren't friendly to Iran doesn't make them good in my view, if that's what you're trying to imply.

I don't believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However I do believe that the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
60986  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which of the following are protected under the First Amendment? on: November 08, 2005, 12:55:44 pm
how is refusing to serve blacks remotely linked to the First Amendment?

Apparnetely it's your "free expression" to deny blacks service. I got into some argument with Philip over this. He thinks denying blacks service is more protected than dancing naked.
60987  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the new Iraqi government friendly to Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 12:54:51 pm
No, because they're Sunnis.

Iran and the new Iraqi government are natural allies, as they are the only countries in the world now ran by Shiites.
60988  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political Compass Thread on: November 08, 2005, 12:51:15 pm
I appear to have significantly moderated economically. Socially I'm pretty damn stable:

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46
60989  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. a Muslim Republican on: November 08, 2005, 12:35:13 pm
Normally, I don't think a muslim could win.† But against BRTD, a moderate muslim who didn't emphasize his religion probably would win.

so who would you vote for?

If I thought the muslim was at all acceptable, I would vote for him.† Otherwise, I'd plan to leave the country. Smiley

Then thanks for confirming it, you're a Muslim lover. You have no right to say liberals are pro-Islam you hypocrite. Now go pray toward Mecca and scream "Allah Akbar!" along with Bush.

What does it matter if heís Muslim or not?† If a candidate was about the same as you, but he was Muslim, against George Bush, who would you vote for?

The only "Muslim" who could be the same as me would have to be a 100% MINO.

Is this candidate a terrorist?† Itís just a religion; it doesnít have to affect the way you act or your politics.

I guess that you and dazzelman have some sort of Islam-loving argument going, but your comment, IMO, was ridiculous.† Did you think he was going to vote for you over a candidate that probably agrees with him on 70%+ of the issues?†

StatesRights voted for me.

Really, I canít understand why you hate the Muslim religion so much; itís not as if they are all terrorists.

No, but many more tend to be rather sexist, homophobic and anti-Christian. But being told that as I am leftist, I therefore support Islam, really didn't improve my opinion on it, which was at the time somewhat dim.
60990  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. a Muslim Republican on: November 08, 2005, 12:29:09 pm
you're a Muslim lover
And you're a dumbass and a mindless bigot. What the hell is wrong with you? Did some good-looking Muslim kid in high school have a bigger penis than you? Did some hot Muslim girl turn you down? You act as though having any shred of respect for Islam is "hypocrisy" and therefore bad. There's a big difference between condoning Islam in general and condoning the extremists, though I'm sure that your tiny brain can't comprehend that. Why don't you just grow up already and stop acting like a whiny little bigoted prude, particularly when you made this poll purely as an ego trip?

I probably wouldn't be like this if it was for StatesRights and dazzleman claiming that leftists are Islam friendly.

StatesRights appears to actually be sincere in his opposition to Islam, but dazzleman has proven himself to just be a giant hypocrite.
60991  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Green Christian Evangelicals? on: November 08, 2005, 12:27:51 pm
There was some fundie who was an advisor to Reagan who actually believed conservation and environmentalism was a sin.

His reasoning was that God created the Earth with a set life span, and just enough resources to last that amount of time. When the resources were about to run out, the Rapture and Second Coming would happen and all that. And of course he believed this was going to happen fairly soon. So if you were to be a conservationist, you were basically saying you did not trust God, and thus it was a sin.

And this is what the GOP is made of.
60992  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Day 34: North Dakota on: November 08, 2005, 12:25:13 pm
That old senator was Quentin Burdick. I've driven on many streets named after him.
60993  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. a Muslim Republican on: November 08, 2005, 12:19:07 pm
Normally, I don't think a muslim could win.† But against BRTD, a moderate muslim who didn't emphasize his religion probably would win.

so who would you vote for?

If I thought the muslim was at all acceptable, I would vote for him.† Otherwise, I'd plan to leave the country. Smiley

Then thanks for confirming it, you're a Muslim lover. You have no right to say liberals are pro-Islam you hypocrite. Now go pray toward Mecca and scream "Allah Akbar!" along with Bush.

What does it matter if heís Muslim or not?† If a candidate was about the same as you, but he was Muslim, against George Bush, who would you vote for?

The only "Muslim" who could be the same as me would have to be a 100% MINO.

The only reason I'm attacking dazzleman on this is his hypocrisy though. He keeps saying leftists love Islam.
60994  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the new Iraqi government friendly to Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 12:16:53 pm
...and thus why India and Pakistan are so friendly. Oh wait.
60995  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Peru to seek Fujimori extradition on: November 08, 2005, 12:13:40 pm
About time they got that war criminal back and behind bars where he belongs.
60996  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. a Muslim Republican on: November 08, 2005, 12:10:39 pm
Normally, I don't think a muslim could win.† But against BRTD, a moderate muslim who didn't emphasize his religion probably would win.

so who would you vote for?

If I thought the muslim was at all acceptable, I would vote for him.† Otherwise, I'd plan to leave the country. Smiley

Then thanks for confirming it, you're a Muslim lover. You have no right to say liberals are pro-Islam you hypocrite. Now go pray toward Mecca and scream "Allah Akbar!" along with Bush.
60997  General Politics / Political Debate / Is the new Iraqi government friendly to Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 12:08:24 pm
Only a true kool-aid drinker could say they aren't.
60998  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Did the invasion of Iraq benefit Iran? on: November 08, 2005, 11:25:36 am
The threats are:

1. 140,000 US troops on their border


Which are tied down in Iraq with the insurgency, are not much threat to the larger Iranian army, and won't be staying much longer as it would be political suicide.

2. Democracy, which has already started spreading in the region

How does democracy "spread"? Is a dictatorship going to change just because a neighboring country turns democratic? Hmm yes, North Korea and Burma have improved so much since their neighbors went democratic and Zimbabwe has been so affected by Botswana and South Africa. Oh wait...

The only Middle Eastern country to become more democratic since then is Lebanon, which happened for completely unrelated reasons, and in a country that was a democracy previously anyway.
60999  Forum Community / Forum Community / Political Compass scores in 10 years on: November 08, 2005, 12:11:37 am
What would you guess would be the PC scores of the following posters in 10 years?

BRTD
Emsworth
opebo
Cosmo Kramer
Frodo
Ebowed
Josh22
Al
Jake
ilikeverin
StatesRights
nclib
Flyers
Keystone Phil
dazzleman
Nation
bullmoose88
Joe Republic
Speed of Sound
Walter Mitty
61000  General Politics / Individual Politics / Would you ever attend a rally organized by a communist organizaiton? on: November 08, 2005, 12:04:23 am
There was a giant anti-war rally Nov. 2 in the Twin Cities, which most high schools allowed students to take the day off to attend without penalty. Minneapolis city council members spoke there, as did prominent local DFL leaders. However, the rally was organized by an openly communist organization, as many other anti-war rallies have.

So would you attend a rally organized by a communist organization if you agreed with the message?

Since I already have, I vote yes, obviously.
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