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60976  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: question for normal republicans on: March 04, 2005, 01:17:58 pm
who would you vote for if the race was Mitt Romney vs. me?
60977  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Sanctioned Gang-Rape Death-Sentences Overturned in Pakistan on: March 04, 2005, 01:05:41 pm
so, how do we change a culture that objectifies women as essentially objects (either as sex objects -as in our culture- or as property, as in theirs), into one that sees them as human beings, as equal partners?   


Allow women to emigrate from muslim countries as human rights refugees, but allow no male muslims to enter the US, either as emigrants or under any other type of visa.

but ban the women from wearing their slave outfits, like the women in Flordia who wanted to cover her face on her driver's license photo.
60978  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Your hot button issue on: March 04, 2005, 01:02:20 pm
oh well, no place is perfect. At least the decent and sensible people there will never be swayed by you.
60979  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bill Seeks to Prevent Public College Professors from Pushing Ideologies on: March 04, 2005, 12:14:06 pm
ha, I'd like to see them try to enforce this at my college!

I'm not worried about it passing though, out legislature is basically pure deadlock, since each party controls one house neither one lets the other one pass anything. Bachmann proposes loony nonsense like this all the time, it never gets anywhere.
60980  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Your hot button issue on: March 04, 2005, 12:06:04 pm

Someone needs to pick up a history book. Because according to you the declaration of independence and the constitution states that all men AND women are created equal. When in the history of this country have women not been treated like second-class citizens? Women are being discriminated against in this country, and if you cannot see that then you are the one with blinders on. Maybe men need to be second-class citizens for a while, just to feel what women have been put through for centuries.

Are you a man or a woman?  Are you telling me that you favor intentional discrimination against men?  In that case, you should join NOW.

The reality is this - there have always been benefits and drawbacks to being a man, as well as being a woman.  I don't buy the line that women had all the disadvantages in society, as you do.

Even if I did, two wrongs don't make a right.  We should fix things going forward, but I hate the mindset of the feminist movement and the whole diversity/multicultarism/sexism philosophy of seeing the world simply as advantaged and disadvantaged groups, and nothing more.

I totally agree, it's as if everyone wants to jump on the victim bandwagon.  We've become a society of casturated cauterwhaling cry-babies.


wahhhhh!  my great-great-great-grandfather was a slave!! pity me, pay me!

If we just stopped all liberal/democratic handout policies and took away the onetary incentive of victimhood, this would all go away.

stop paying people to be pussies!

Do you live out near Carver county or those outer Hennepin places like Corcoran and Maple Grove? You remind me of the lunatics who live out in those areas. Although it's probably a good thing they live far out there and don't bother the sensible decent people who live in Minneapolis.
60981  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are Catholics a minority in the US? on: March 04, 2005, 12:03:32 pm
As has been pointed out, technically every religion is a minority because no religion has 50%+ of the population.

But in this context, minority usually means a group outside the mainstream of society.  While this used to be true of Catholics to some extent, it is no longer the case, so no, Catholics are not a minority.

wow, for once we agree.

anyone want to argue that I am more in the mainstream than soulty?
60982  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: SC Gov Mark Sanford on: March 04, 2005, 10:56:50 am
6) Even worse, has your family been split apart because one side is Catholic and the other is not?

not directed toward me, but this does apply to my family like I've said before my mother's side is Catholic, and there has never been any type of split, nor have I seen any resentment from anyone on my mother's side toward her or one of her sisters who also renounced the church.
60983  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: SC Gov Mark Sanford on: March 04, 2005, 10:54:31 am
BRTD,

You are, of course, the original perpetrator of this whole thing.  Thank you for concentrating on one point of my argument in some attempt to discredit me.  This wasn't even a point.  It was a sub-point of a point.  You could have said that is was great of me for being a progressive thinker and thinking that a woman or minority could do the job, but intead, you attacked me for say that Catholics are a minority when pretty much any political science professor who has study voting patterns would agree with me.

actually no. You're basically advocating affirmative action. I will never take anyone's race or gender into account when voting for them in a primary. I will vote for the candidate I like best.

It isn't affirmative action.  The people I was talking about acctually earned their way in.  Affirmative Action is when you set a particular quote, with no regard for whether or not someone earned their way more than anyone else.

wow, you are ignorant. Quotas != affirmative action. In fact, quotas have been illegal ever since the 1978 Supreme Court decision Board of Regents of University of California v. Bakke. I oppose race based affirmative action, but I will admit many people have no clue what it is. Giving people positions partially because of their race is affirmative action, even if they are also qualified, if their race is a factor, and I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face Rice and Gonzalez's races weren't factors, especially since Republicans kept bringing it up whenever they bashed Democrats for opposing them. And what you have suggested above is affirmative action for your party's nominee.

That website you posted is bogus, by the way.  No Catholic would ever descirb themselves as being "slave" to anything, let alone Mary's Immaculate Heart.

yes, it's an incredibly ridiculous loony site that very very few Catholics would agree with. Just like Chick and Paisley's sites are ridiculous loony sites that very very few Protestants agree with.
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The difference is, of course, that Jack Chick sells millions of tracts every single year, and guess where they end up?  On my door step.
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I know someone who collects them and finds them humorous. Not everyone who likes them is because they agree with them. I find them humorous too, since Chick is so out of the loop it's a wonder anyone takes him seriously.
60984  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Survey for Protestants on: March 04, 2005, 10:49:24 am
So BRTD, was this whole thing meant to prove me wrong.  Because, so far it a back fired on you hideously.

The only person who has said the loony stuff you claim all Protestants believe is Richius. And how many "yes, no, no, no"'s do we have?

Altough I am aware that the official doctrine of the Church does not worship Mary, a lot of Catholics really go to excesses in their "devotions", so much that they are effectively commiting idolatry. If you don't believe me, you should pay a visit to Fatima.

my opinion as well.
60985  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. troop deaths now top 1,500 on: March 04, 2005, 01:44:38 am
1,500 is the "official" number. Some insiders estimate it to be much higher than 1,500.  If you are hit with shrapnel, but die in hospital, you don't go towards the "official" count.

Much higher due to these indirect deaths?  Surely there haven't been THAT many.

I'm much more positive about Iraq now than I was before.  I'm a big fan of democracy abroad.

Iraq will not be a democracy. The results showed that. We will soon have a situation like Algeria 1992 where the military had to throw a coup and cancel elections to stop a fundamentalist Islamic extremist party from winning the election and taking control of the government. And Iraq just gave a bit of a mandate to the same fundie theocrats. Hopefully the Iraqi military has leaders willing to do the same thing to save the country from the coming Sistani regime.
60986  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: D2/D3 Special Elections: VOTING BOOTH on: March 04, 2005, 12:24:37 am
District 3:

1) Write-in: Every person in the district who is not Mike Naso
2) Nym90
60987  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada deports Holocaust denier to Germany to be arrested on: March 03, 2005, 11:42:08 pm
Thats actually why tha Byrd guy was dragged to death in Texas-- the white guy had been in jail for a white collar crime and was butt raped all the time by black guys. So he killed the first black guy he saw when he got out of jail. So yeah, rape is definitely something to cheer about.

it was a rather brash and I'll admit foolish statement now, but overall anything that makes a white supremicist unhappy makes me happy. I have no doubt that anything that makes communists unhappy makes you happy.

Actually, the US committed genocide against the Native Americans. Humorously, they are STILL in camps ("reservations"). If you've been to one... it's not too pretty.

I have more than been to one, I've lived on one. For 9 years.
60988  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Bush's invasion of Iraq leads to a domino effect of Democracy... on: March 03, 2005, 11:38:56 pm
CIA World Factbook says 3.8%: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/th.html

But opebo is pissed off anyway at the current ultra-nationalist Prime Minister.
60989  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada deports Holocaust denier to Germany to be arrested on: March 03, 2005, 11:35:48 pm
Hey, this is great.  Another reason not to live outside the US. Oh, and BRTD, I'm sure only blacks butt rape people. Get a clue Tongue

Explained above. I just meant that a white supremeicst would find being raped by a black much worse than being raped by a white.
60990  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: SC Gov Mark Sanford on: March 03, 2005, 11:34:37 pm
Southerners should "step aside" for an affirmative action nomination?

Guess what-- that's not 51% of the populations view. They were just afraid of Kerry. If you think most Republicans want amnesty, you're living in a dream world. Most HISPANICS don't support amnesty, let  alone Republicans.

I have this weird notion, where the best candidate should get the nod. Hmm, thought that was America, but "Republicans" like soulty and ford apparently disagree. If I'm going to have a racist government, it may as well be led by Democrats... f**ck Republicans that hate the base of their own party.

Bush slid by because of the war, but that's not happening in 2008. There's going to be a line drawn... protect this country's borders, get our finances back in order. If the Republican won't do that, he won't win-- period. I'll help put a Democrat in the White House before being neutral on a RINO or Affirmative Action pick, and so will a lot of people.

Democrats, they just want to win elections. Republicans, according to traitors like ford, are not interested in winning... we have to surrender on the issues so that we can get some magical number and declare ourselves uniters. So give in to socialist medicine, mayhem on the border, massive deficits, the blocking of good judges... just give in. That's what most people that win do-- surrender.

Then some nitwit tries to lecture me on fallacies? lol, incredible. Almost as hilarious as some turncoat lecturing people on the Republican Party.

Just out of curiosity, do you honestly believe that Rice and Gonzalez getting their current jobs had absolutely nothing to do with their races (and thus affirmative action)? If so I have some nice oceanside property in Minnesota to sell you.

(The same goes for all other anti-affirmative action Republicans)
60991  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Bush's invasion of Iraq leads to a domino effect of Democracy... on: March 03, 2005, 11:32:04 pm
Why should I care about the form of government in countries with such horrible cultures I'll never go there as a tourist.

You don't go to Thailand anymore?  They have a large Muslim population, as you know.


Thailand is less than 4% Muslim.
60992  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada deports Holocaust denier to Germany to be arrested on: March 03, 2005, 11:25:43 pm

 it'd be great to have him prison raped by one. Hopefully that'll happen anyway.


compassionate conservative?

neither, I suspect. 

(it's also tempting to explore the blatant racism in your post, but the violence and judgement are more salient features and probably more dangerous.)

actually I said that statement about blacks because a white supremecist would hate being raped by a black much much much more than a white. Just the worst possible situation for him, nothing racist.
60993  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If Bush's invasion of Iraq leads to a domino effect of Democracy... on: March 03, 2005, 11:19:26 pm
There is no such thing as the domino effect. The only time it has happened is when a more powerful nation shoved its ideology on others through miltary force. Domino effect of democracy is just as likely as the domino effect of communism that didn't happen.
60994  General Politics / Individual Politics / Survey for Protestants on: March 03, 2005, 11:16:31 pm
1-Do you believe Catholics are Christian?

2-Do you believe Catholics are a cult?

3-Do you believe Catholics worship Mary?

4-Do you believe Catholics worship the Pope?

Supersoulty claims this is believed by most Protestants.

My answers:

1-yes
2-no
3-no
4-no
60995  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have you ever voted for a President or Congressperson of the other party? on: March 03, 2005, 11:15:05 pm
I have never voted for a non-Democrat in any partisan race.
60996  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: SC Gov Mark Sanford on: March 03, 2005, 11:14:08 pm
oh and Al, just exactly what percentage of the population would you estimate supports Paisley? Is there any part of the country where a majority of people would be big fans of him? Is he overall perceived as semi-credible or just a huge loon? Scary that people like Pat Robertson are considered semi-credible here, and also scary is Paisley is considered the same in the UK.
60997  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: SC Gov Mark Sanford on: March 03, 2005, 11:11:52 pm
BRTD,

You are, of course, the original perpetrator of this whole thing.  Thank you for concentrating on one point of my argument in some attempt to discredit me.  This wasn't even a point.  It was a sub-point of a point.  You could have said that is was great of me for being a progressive thinker and thinking that a woman or minority could do the job, but intead, you attacked me for say that Catholics are a minority when pretty much any political science professor who has study voting patterns would agree with me.

actually no. You're basically advocating affirmative action. I will never take anyone's race or gender into account when voting for them in a primary. I will vote for the candidate I like best.

That website you posted is bogus, by the way.  No Catholic would ever descirb themselves as being "slave" to anything, let alone Mary's Immaculate Heart.

yes, it's an incredibly ridiculous loony site that very very few Catholics would agree with. Just like Chick and Paisley's sites are ridiculous loony sites that very very few Protestants agree with.
60998  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Communism vs. Islam on: March 03, 2005, 11:05:35 pm
Before I'll answer this I wanna know two things:

1. What do you mean by Communism?
2. What do you mean by Islam?

dictionary definition.
60999  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Don't ask don't tell policy on: March 03, 2005, 11:49:54 am
Barry Goldwater was right on this one: "It doesn't matter if you are straight, only if you can shoot straight."

one's sexuality has nothing to do with how they handle a rifle.
61000  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are Catholics a minority in the US? on: March 03, 2005, 11:48:15 am
Those people are white, and I think the numbers are something like about 1/3 of whites raised Catholic basically totally reject the church today. My mom is a Catholic-turned-Protestant.
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