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60976  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: most overrated current poltiician on: June 06, 2005, 12:09:11 pm
Yep, it's Spitzer. He'll be the Obama of 2006.

You mean he'll win in a landslide and receive national attention as a new rising star? I totally agree!

Do any of you who think he's so overrated really dispute that he is basically already governor-elect now? Come on.

When did I say he wasn't likely to win? I do believe he'll win easily. I do believe he'll be a rising star. However, there's more to it. Obama was a rising star and now he's done. You don't hear about Obama anymore. People don't care. So, yes, he'll be the next Obama.

the guy's been in office less than 6 months and you're already saying he's done?

Giuliani is overrated because he's not the God Republicans seem to think. And regardless of whether you consider his position equivalent to a governor or whatever, he's been out of office for 4 years, and that'll be 7 years by 2008. Pretty damning, even despite all his scandals and social liberalism that ensures he'd never win the nomination.

I personally believe Guilani will never run for political office ever again. He's shown no intention of running for governor or senator in New York, and no intention for president for that matter as well. I believe that the last time a former NYC mayor made it to higher office was almost 100 years ago, right at the turn of the century, so he doesn't have precedent going for him either. I'm predicting he'll just take the same status Gingrich and Bill Clinton are now, maybe write a few books and go on a few lecture tours. But as a politician he's done.
60977  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: International people: how old do you have to be to drive in your countries? on: June 06, 2005, 11:52:41 am
While you need a special license for the bigger vehicles here as well apparentely at least in ND the age limit for that is the same as the normal one. There was actually a kid in my brother's class whose family owned an old school bus, can't remember why, it had something to do with what business they owned. Anyway, they figured it'd be easier to have him just drive that bus than get him a car, so they had him get the special license, and that's what he drove to school each day, I'm assuming it was a relatively small bus though or else he wouldn't be able to park it.

Aside from having to take a bus to school, not being able to drive under 18 also means not being able to go to Minot, plus having my parents take me to all school events.
60978  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gitmo abuses confirmed on: June 06, 2005, 11:38:35 am
It's OK for Muslims to wantonly murder thousands of innocent people, destroy monuments to other religions, and express the most vile forms of racial hatred toward practitioners of other religions, particularly Jews.

Ah, yet another strawman. Who here said that was perfectly OK? Show me exact quotes and not just blind claims that's what liberals believe.

And this is from someone who doesn't even give a  about the Koran.
60979  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SCOTUS rules against medical marijuana patients and states rights on: June 06, 2005, 11:35:43 am
how much more whining about the liberal court will we hear?

I found Rehnquist most suprising, since he's also the most authoritarian.
60980  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Europe in fifty years on: June 06, 2005, 11:33:28 am
Did any of you who claim that the Muslims will take over ever take into account that immigration trends are temporary influxes and hardly ever permament?

I'm mostly of Swedish ancestry. How many Swedes are immigrating to the US currently? How many people from any European countries are coming currently? Yet most people in America are of such ancestry.

Furthemore back in the 20s people who were already here (the WASPs and the Germans, etc.) were worried that the incoming immigrants would "take over" them being mostly Irish, Italian, Greek and Eastern European. And they reproduced like rabbits too when they first came. Is that still the case?

Everyone knows what I think of Islam, but all of this nonsense is just an attempt by the right to flaunt their Europhobia.
60981  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Catherine MacKinnon vs. George W. Bush on: June 05, 2005, 09:29:36 pm
MacKinnon, but only because she'd be harmless with a Republic congress.
60982  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: security or freedom? on: June 05, 2005, 09:24:59 pm
*insert Ben Franklin quote here*
60983  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Your opinion of F. W. de Klerk on: June 05, 2005, 03:56:11 pm
not a single other nation in the world did.

there was also some, ahem, interesting shapes in those "countries" (note what Bono posted). Gee, maybe because the white government was gerrymandering to keep all the best farmland in "real" South Africa and preserving 83% of the land for 15% of the population? Yeah, that was really generous to the blacks.
60984  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Detroit Mayor Election on: June 05, 2005, 03:38:40 pm
I heard Minneapolis had about half a million people in the 50s. Damn suburbs.
60985  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 03:31:22 pm
Participation is neccesary for a healthy democracy, and if a large portion doesn't want, it likely won't succeed.

Remember, one of the commonly cited reasons as to why the Weimer Republic failed is that a large portion of the country did not want democracy (in addition to the communists and Nazis there were old monarchist elements, etc.)

Succesful democracies in the Middle East include Israel, Lebanon, Iran until 1954 and Cyprus, but they had little effect on any other country. For that matter one can also look at Africa, where it's not uncommon to have one nation be a fairly healthy democracy while a neighboring one is a screwed up as hell dictatorship. The best example is Togo, one of the most screwed up and non-democratic nations there, right between Ghana and Benin, two of the most succesful states. There's no visible effect of one nation on another. That's why even if Iraq becomes a success, I can't see it affecting anywhere else. Also how much effect have Taiwan and South Korea had on their counterparts?
60986  General Politics / International General Discussion / International people: how old do you have to be to drive in your countries? on: June 05, 2005, 03:25:44 pm
Bono said the age is 18 in Portugal (for cars, apparentely not motorcyles). I really can't imagine not being able to drive to school at 16, ugh.

The age for a driver's license as far as I know is 16 in almost every American state although it's lower in a couple, such as North Dakota, where it is actually only 14 1/2 (14 is the age to get a learner's permit, and to get a license you must've had a permit for 6 months and have taken a behind the wheel class. My brother already has his permit and I can not imagine him driving). I wonder if there are any other places where its so low.
60987  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What it would take for me to vote Democrat on: June 05, 2005, 03:14:44 pm
So basically you would vote Democrat if they became like the Republicans.That's like me posting I would vote Republican if they became socialist. It's why two parties exist. There's a left one and a right one. If you clearly don't like one, vote for the other, rather than demand that the one you don't like change to fit your views.
No, no.  The Democrats were not always America haters.  I, for example, like Zell Miller, but Democrats tend to demonize him.  Bad idea.  His kind will actually save the Democratic Party, if they have the neurons to realize it.  If you want a socialist part, go create it yourself.  The Democrats weren't always like that.

Zell Miller voted exactly like a Republican. If the Democrats were like him we might as well have a one party system.
60988  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: If you could change the winner of an election... on: June 05, 2005, 03:11:26 pm
I'd change my vote to 1980 instead. That eliminates Reagan, thus eliminating Bush I as well and thus his terrible idiotic son also. Three birds with one stone.
60989  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What it would take for me to vote Democrat on: June 05, 2005, 03:04:38 pm
So basically you would vote Democrat if they became like the Republicans.That's like me posting I would vote Republican if they became socialist. It's why two parties exist. There's a left one and a right one. If you clearly don't like one, vote for the other, rather than demand that the one you don't like change to fit your views.
60990  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which is worse? on: June 05, 2005, 03:01:47 pm
I'm certainly no fan of LBJ either as you all know.

What most people forget though is its not the burglarythat brought Nixon down, but the fact he tried to cover it up. Much like teh constant statement from Republicans that Clinton was not impeached for getting a blowjob, but for lying.
60991  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 03:00:30 pm
Especially since the democracy there isn't being pushed from the inside.

Isn't it? How high was the turnout again? Despite the bombs?

a democracy isn't very healthy or succesful with 1 out of the 3 major groups of the country almost completely boycotting the election.

So far I've never heard a real argument of as to how invading Iraq would make Kuwait and Egypt move toward democracy considering that Kuwait has basically been under US occupation for the past 15 years already and the US is obviously not going to invade Egypt (which would be virtually impossible for that matter anyway)
60992  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 02:44:28 pm
So why would Iraq be any different? Especially since the democracy there isn't being pushed from the inside.
60993  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is the most boring state in America? on: June 05, 2005, 02:28:52 pm
While I'm no fan of North Dakota and didn't like living there, I will point out that it does have some interesting historical sites.

Now while Nebraska has more things to do in Omaha and Lincoln, the rural part is even worse than the Dakotas. My brother went to college for one semester in Kearney, which is out in central Nebraska in the middle of nowhere (then he got homesick and came home and goes to a community college now). Anyway, here's any intersting fact I heard from him and my mom on tehir drive down there: There is actually a stretch of road (about 80 miles) where there are absolutely no towns and for a good portion you can not use a cell phone becuase there are no nearby towers, and there are no radio stations. Talk about empty. It's in Cherry county (that gigantic county on the north of the state that has barely any people in it).
60994  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Pro Choice / Pro Life - who is winning the "Culture war" on: June 05, 2005, 02:15:32 pm
I voted option 3 because of time. Even if the GOP is making their gains now because of their control, our generation does not agree with their views on this (especially gay marriage), and so eventually they will lose (although it won't exactly be seen as a "loss" 20 years later, just a changing of standards, like blacks getting civil rights). So current victories will mean little in the end because they can't win the war of attrition. Think the Tet Offensive.
60995  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Fabius and allies ousted on: June 05, 2005, 02:08:39 pm
Hopefully it is good. France clearly does not want the Constitution, therefore the leadership of at least one of the parties should be anti-Constitution.

2) According to a sofres poll, 35% of voters in 2002 (first and second turns) voted for Le Pen. Hence, lots of people who voted for le Pen at first run didn't vote for him at second turn. Not impossible but difficult to believe.

35% is about what  you get when you add the percentage he got in the first round and the second round. What this would mean is that no one who voted for him in one round voted for him in the other, he got an entirely different set of support in each round. I'm not buying it.
60996  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: most overrated current poltiician on: June 05, 2005, 02:03:58 pm
Yep, it's Spitzer. He'll be the Obama of 2006.

You mean he'll win in a landslide and receive national attention as a new rising star? I totally agree!

Do any of you who think he's so overrated really dispute that he is basically already governor-elect now? Come on.
60997  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 01:56:35 pm
except there are already democracies in the Middle East and there have been in the past.
60998  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Your opinion of F. W. de Klerk on: June 05, 2005, 01:55:42 pm
Namibia got its independence in 1990.

Ha, Richius actually thinks those bantustans were real countries.
Bantustans?  What are those?

the "countries" you mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan

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I wonder what they did with all the US embassies to them once they were "seized". Oh wait, there never were any embassies. And where was all the international outcry of the invasion of these "sovereign nations" by SA?
There is no American embassy in Taiwan.  Clearly, Taiwan is a fictious country.  You agree, of course?

No Taiwan is not a country, it is an autonomous breakaway province, like Transnistria or Northern Cyprus.
60999  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Was this ad appropiate? on: June 05, 2005, 01:30:34 pm
these are the other 3 ads in the series:

http://www.friendsofmpl.org/images/LUV.pdf
http://www.friendsofmpl.org/images/BAT.pdf
http://www.friendsofmpl.org/images/FBI.pdf

so it's sort of a "famous librarians" thing, although in this case they could've probably picked a better example. I still say though the ad is hardly glorifying Mao ("least diverse collection of books")
61000  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Bush Pushing Global Democratic Revolution on: June 05, 2005, 01:59:02 am
It bothers me to no end how conservatives and Republicans have captured the idealism of the American people, offering a compelling vision that captures the imagination while liberals and Democrats have become basically the grouchy scolds who can only criticize but not offer up any compelling vision of our own that could at least equal the idealism that is inspired by President Bush:

you mean an unrealistic head in the clouds visions tthat's just not going to workr.  Bush cana talk all he wants about some wonderfful spreading of democracy all raound the world that'll happene magically, but thingsg jujst don't owrk that way.

The dumbest claim i"ve ever heard is thatt hte war in Iraq will somehow spread democrazcy around teh world. Invadding a non-demoratitc nation and posibblyu putting a democracy in placew is not goingg to cause dictatorships to fall. Does anyone really thinka ll these "color revolutions" are connected? That teh people in Ukraine had Iraq in maind dring their protestss? Of course not, theye lected the guy who promised to bring the troops HOME. And when you loo k at even inspring homegrown democratic revolutions, like the overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos, as great as they were, they ddind't have much of an effect on the rest of the world. For that matter as long as Bush continues to supporte people like Karimov, why should we listen to him>?

There is no such thing as deomino deffect of democracy. It'd be nice, but it doesn's exist. And efven if it did, someone as hated around ithe world as Bush is tnot the man who will bring it.

(I just got back from the bars sos yes, I am somewhat drunk)
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