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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Washington '14: The Dullest Midterm That You Ever Did See on: July 24, 2014, 07:24:20 pm
lol

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140724/NEWS01/140729487/State-Rep.-Hope-to-resign-over-out-of-state-voter-registration

Rep. Mike Hope (R-Snohomish) is resigning because he registered to vote (probably accidentally) in Ohio, where he's rumored to have his primary residence.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Let Me Be Clear: Barack Obama's War on Millenials, and One Woman's Case for Hope on: July 13, 2014, 07:51:33 am
http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2012/03/26/gays_females_and_equals/page/full

Her writing is like a bullsh**tty, last-minute college freshman essay.  It's not that she seems stupid.  It's that her thesis, argument, and supporting details barely seem related, and she seems to intentionally avoid making her argument clear because it would reveal it as more simplistic/narrow.

also, I like how the first Google search suggest is "katie kiefer instagram" because god the internet is sad.  At least it isn't "katie kiefer feet"
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What fraction of your life have you been posting on Atlas? on: June 22, 2014, 12:42:25 pm
40%
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What Cities/Towns did Obama win in Idaho? on: June 20, 2014, 06:35:10 am
I would be shocked if Obama lost Sun valley. A lot of famous people live there, because of the ski resort.

The Sun Valley precinct flipped to Romney this time.  It was the only one he won in Blaine County outside of a hardcore Republican rural area, though.  Hailey and Ketchum are both hardcore Dem.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why are Florida whites so Republican? on: June 20, 2014, 06:30:49 am
white men are the base of the Republican party and almost half of the Florida population are true Southerners...  I'm not sure I buy that only 33% voted for Obama though, simply because there is a large Jewish and gay population in South Florida and there are a lot of tourist workers in the Orlando area who are white and probably vote D.  Any time you are polling a subset of a state population the error rate will likely be higher because the sample size is so low. 

Good points, but aren't many of those Jewish voters in South Florida olds? I don't think they are as Democratic as younger Jews. Tongue

Actually, the evidence is pretty suggestive that younger Jews are more Republican (at least last I've checked) -- some of that may be shifts in religious preference, so it may not apply in Florida as much.  I also may be totally wrong in my memory.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Institute of Comedy on: June 20, 2014, 05:18:49 am
Case race tomorrow evening. My great-grand big is supposedly recruiting alums to swing by, and I've got at least two members of the crew living in the House as well as some of the other actives and recent graduates that have indicated they'll be here. When I get back from work, however, I'm too lazy to try to organize this crap, so I'm kinda winging it. Oh well. If we even have three teams of three (not going the typical 2/24 route, but instead 3/30), I'll be happy.

what the *k does any of this mean

"A competition will be held tomorrow evening wherein teams of men will compete to see which team can drink an entire case of beer the fastest. My mentor's mentor's mentor in the fraternity is finding fraternity brothers who graduated with him to come, plus at least two people who are currently living in the fraternity house itself (plus other current and recently graduated fraternity brothers) will be attending. I'm too lazy to organize the event myself though. Even if only nine people show up I will consider it a success. If necessary we can have three teams of three men drinking from those cases of beer that come with thirty beers, as opposed to the traditional setup of teams of two drinking from cases of beer that come with twenty four beers."

If I thought my alum fund was going to fine academic work like this, I would be contributing instead of just adding them to catalogue mailing lists
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The Onion has a new clickbait site, and of course it's genius on: June 20, 2014, 05:08:04 am
I can't wait for the inevitable compendium of people unironically sharing ClickHole articles
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you really care either way about circumcision? on: June 20, 2014, 05:04:44 am
I'm not really interested in talking about my emotional investment.  Politics rarely affects me emotionally.  If something is irrational, we should cut it out, even if we don't care emotionally.  And I think infant circumcision is pretty clearly irrational.

Here's why:

Like several people have pointed out in this thread, the AAP and American medical organizations are fairly anomalous on this issue.  There are a few studies (like the one Harry linked) that claim overwhelming benefits, but these are outliers, and as far as I can tell were mostly conducted by one dude (Dr. Brian Morris), who Google kind of suggests is a crazy person.  In terms of medical effect, circumcision is probably a marginal net-positive.

So, why doesn't it make sense?  Two things:

1. Medical benefit isn't the only consideration.  Penises also have sexual uses (GASP!).  The foreskin does have a sexual function, and possibly a role in sexual sensitivity.  Thus, I think there's a valid subjective preference here, and without an imminent, objective medical reason, it seems weird to pre-empt someone's choice over what they prefer.  After all, if you're uncircumcised and prefer being circumcised, you can always fix that; if you're circumcised and wish you weren't, you're effectively screwed.

2. It seems pretty clear that there's not an imminent, objective medical reason for infant circumcision.  Circumcision's benefits are, by almost any account, so marginal that it would require tons of circumcisions to prevent one medical problem.  There are so obviously many more effective uses for the same resources (money, time, medical resources) that would also not have the problems with pre-empting consent infant circumcision has.

I get that this argument is complicated.  I get that most people don't think through the decision to this level of detail.  I get that good people can overlook what I wrote above.

I just don't get how anyone could seriously think through this practice and see it as anything but something we're trying to rationalize (poorly).  I agree with BRTD to let the practice die out through education.  But I also think it's stupid to pretend like dumb practices aren't dumb just because good people do them, or because they're "not a big deal."

Seriously, this isn't high school.  We're grown-ass adults who can hold strong opinions without having our emotional lives center around them.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: It's been 10 years since the Killers released "Hot Fuss" on: June 11, 2014, 05:12:46 am
I don't think it holds up nearly as well as Interpol or the Strokes when it comes to retro 2000s rock, but I liked the first half of Hot Fuss.  I thought pretty much everything after that was kind of a derivative mess, though, instead of a catchy derivative mess.  Mixed bag, lean not my favorite.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Washington '14: The Dullest Midterm That You Ever Did See on: June 11, 2014, 05:01:02 am
Hey, Micah!  Former North End Tacoma resident myself, born and raised.  I just moved out of the 27th last year (although I'm posting from there now).  Welcome to the forum.  A lot of 27th folks have asked me about your candidacy, so it's kind of a trip to see you here Smiley
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws on: February 27, 2014, 04:11:33 pm
I think the ruling says that Kentucky (like Oregon) recognizes same-sex marriages from other jursidictions, not that same-sex marriage is legal there.

Not according to this.

I don't know why you interpret "legally recognized" to mean "issues same-sex marriages" instead of "recognizes out-of-state same-sex marriages."  If anything, "legally recognized" sounds more like the latter to me.  Plus, every source I've seen indicates this recognizes pre-existing marriages only.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Anyone notice younger posters are often annoying for trying to fill a role? on: February 27, 2014, 04:08:58 pm
Adopting traits and behaviors just to signal your membership in a social or cultural group?  Yeah, BRTD, you certainly never would do something like that.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Polls on Same-Sex Marriage State Laws on: February 27, 2014, 04:05:43 pm
I think the ruling says that Kentucky (like Oregon) recognizes same-sex marriages from other jursidictions, not that same-sex marriage is legal there.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Romney viewed favorably by 47% on: February 26, 2014, 02:47:24 am
How ironic - he was born in 1947!!!

No.
15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Best Arcade Fire album on: February 22, 2014, 04:08:32 pm
1. Funeral
2. Suburbs
3. Neon Bible
4. Reflektor
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Washington '14: The Dullest Midterm That You Ever Did See on: February 22, 2014, 12:25:29 am
New entrant in WA-04: Dan Newhouse, former GOP state representative and Ag Director under Governor Gregoire. I actually like Newhouse quite a bit (for a Republican). I hope he wins.

I like Newhouse too.  I'm also worried about Clint Didier, and the inexplicably strong base he has in the Tri-Cities.  Congressman Clint Didier...ugh.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Washington '14: The Dullest Midterm That You Ever Did See on: February 21, 2014, 11:49:37 pm
What's the name the wind whispers to the wheat

From Pasco to the Okanogan?

Clint...

...Clint Didier.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of @midnight on: February 20, 2014, 02:27:20 am
We watch it, it's solid fun, Chris Hardwick doesn't annoy me as much as he annoys other people, no hate
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which of these three songs best represents the 90s? on: February 17, 2014, 02:17:30 am
"Semi-Charmed Life" is probably more representative of the 1990s than any song I can think of offhand.  Doot doot doot!  Also, meth.

Option 3 for the poll, though the top 3 quintessential 1990s are (in no particular order):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSSxpeLpxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBA4fM-u1jE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ggJS0p-QQc

That is the first time I have ever heard of any of those songs.

The second two are pretty obscure singles (at least relative to some of the bands' other songs), but "Santa Monica" got some pretty serious radio play.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Death Penalty decision imminent for Boston Bomber on: February 16, 2014, 05:08:15 am
OK, so your problem with punishing people is that it's not either compensatory or deterrent.

I have a problem with punishing people when it's not compensatory or a deterrent.

Here's my basic position.  I think the family or estate of a victim is not necessarily relevant to the criminal punishment.  That would be revenge and a criminal case is brought by the state so it doesn't really fit.

Yeah, that's kind of weird, but fundamentally our system does charge people with breaches against the order imposed by the state (or whatever).

I think criminal law is partly based on the equitable principle that if you deprive someone of liberty and break the social contract with the state, you should suffer to bring about equity in society.  Equity as between the criminal and the rest of society, so that the criminal isn't benefiting from the peace of society without reciprocating.  Equity as between the victim and the criminal so that the criminal has an equitable reduction in his liberty to prevent a type of quasi-unjust enrichment of liberty.

I understand what you're saying, but that seems to basically be the a legalistic paraphrase of the same moral claim I'm objecting to.  Yeah, I get that people feel that justice has been violated and the way of "restoring the balance" is by inflicting suffering on the person responsible.  I think it ties into the instinctual human hatred of inequity.  Except, in this case, the way of fulfilling the desire for inequity is the state executing someone.  Very occasionally, that person didn't even commit the crime.  This is not some sort of bland, procedural thing.  This isn't restitution.  This isn't based on some straightforward moral principle.  It's having the state kill people because it satisfies a very instinctual sense of "justice" that we can't really explain coherently.  How comfortable are you with that?
21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Hot or not: Sonja Sohn on: February 15, 2014, 08:18:39 pm
We gotta stop turning this forum into Reddit.

Because "Hot or not" threads?

Also, was a photo with a middle finger seriously edited to a link because NSFW? ...

Some of us work at Mennonite bookstores, jackass.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nevada's Repuplican Gov: State SSM ban 'no longer defensible in court' on: February 14, 2014, 12:52:28 am
It's not a marriage..who is the husband? Who is the wife?

appeal to tradition fallacy
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How long until an openly gay or lesbian candidate is viable for President? on: February 13, 2014, 05:59:38 pm
I really doubt we would have elected a black president before a majority of Americans professed tolerance of interracial relationships.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Death Penalty decision imminent for Boston Bomber on: February 12, 2014, 03:24:55 am
I'm glad you addressed my hypothetical in that way.  This is really complicated philosophical stuff and I think we can benefit from getting our difference out in the open.  What you're saying is that there's no retribution you would support.  Is that right though?

If we're defining retribution as a punishment based entirely off the idea that someone "deserves" to suffer for bad conduct, yes.

In the case of murder in my no deterrence world, would oppose tort damages for their family members in a civil suit?  If not, then the problem is that the death penalty or jail is not compensatory for the family?

No, because I don't see those as exclusively retribution: it's compensatory.  Are you arguing for the state-sanctioned execution of a criminal as being compensation toward the victim's family?  That's a plausible argument, but it seems kind of troublesome...
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WA: Inslee suspends death penalty on: February 11, 2014, 03:11:03 pm
HP

They've only used it twice since the year 2000, so this isn't much of anything but bandwagon jumping for show.

Show for whom, though?  It's hard to imagine a majority of Washingtonians don't support the death penalty.
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