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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Which President reelection looked the most Bleak after their first midterm on: July 27, 2015, 05:38:29 pm
Definitely Clinton. There were serious calls for him to step aside and not even run for reelection. Being able to avoid a primary challenge was a minor miracle for him.
2  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban Bacon King on: July 23, 2015, 04:07:43 pm
I should mention that Dave has indicated a willingness to possibly downgrade this to a temp ban, though there is no fixed time frame being discussed. That decision now lies with him.
3  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Are our forum account passwords encrypted? on: July 23, 2015, 03:57:12 pm
I certainly don't have access to any passwords. I don't know about Dave.
4  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: My thoughts to Dave Leip on Moderation/AAD, etc. on: July 23, 2015, 02:53:10 pm
Just to clarify one thing here: Unpopular opinions are only bannable if they are communicated in a hostile and/or irrational way, in such a way as to invoke a reaction as opposed to constructively contributing to debate. I get that there's subjectivity to that, and one can disagree with the standards, and discuss what they should be. Bans for violating this have not been given out lightly or without extensive and repeated provocation in the case of longer term posters, and without strong consensus from the mod team.
5  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: So, let's take a breath here and I'll try to explain about what's going on. on: July 22, 2015, 03:38:11 pm
It's not impossible, but we're a long way from being able to consider that.
6  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: So, let's take a breath here and I'll try to explain about what's going on. on: July 22, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
Thanks Snowguy. I apologize if I've been as cold as the waters of Lake Superior that lap at the shores of my hometown. It is not my intention to come across that way.
7  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 02:12:03 pm
I should add that it has now become clear that Griffin made a concerted effort to conceal the assistance he was giving to Tweed.
8  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 01:17:11 pm
Why and how would Dave Leip change his mind here?  He completely relies on you since he has completely fallen out of touch with the forum (as you yourself have also done). 

People don't want to interact with you on this forum.  They want to interact with Adam Griffin and BaconKing, who are valued parts of this community.

They didn't like how insular the moderator team and admins have become.  And the actions of the past couple days have only proven that further. 

You have no concept of mercy or understanding on this matter.  You just make things worse...divide and alienate the community further...And get dismissive.

Time for amnesty.

You're right, he'd be very unlikely to change his mind and say that it's acceptable for you to invade his personal property, since if he intended the "Modcave" to be publicly accessible, he would have made it so from the beginning, but if you think he was wrong to make it private, my point is that you are welcome to persuade him he made a mistake and that anyone who wants to should be able to see any and all postings there. Until and unless that happens, I'm obligated to fulfill his wishes.

And you are correct, both he and I have made this forum less of a priority in our lives than many members here do. I take full responsibility for that. I don't apologize for it, as the "real life" events that have caused it more than justify it, but it is an accurate assessment. The primary purpose of this website, and the reason I have visited it regularly since 1999, is because it is the finest source of US election related materials on the internet. That is Dave's first priority also, not this forum, and not the providing of a social club. That is only a secondary priority. I think some have lost sight of that, and also feel a sense of entitlement to expression/activity on someone else's property that I feel is not at all justified. He's made his wishes clear through the TOS regarding what is and is not acceptable behavior. Again, if you don't agree with those policies, you can attempt to convince him to change his mind, and to create new standards to replace those previously set forth and agreed to upon all users signing up here.

Regarding "mercy and understanding".....are you seriously suggesting that we should allow our website to be hacked and personal information compromised? If you can propose a compromise solution, I might be willing to consider it, but I can't see how "amnesty" is acceptable whatsoever. It would only encourage further attacks, potentially compromising the security of every user here.

I should also mention that Dave has been extremely active in helping to investigate the source of this leak, and providing technical material to prove the allegations made, all of which was obtained prior to action being taken. So now would be an excellent time to try to contact him, given that this matter has gotten his attention. You can either send him a PM, or click the "email" link at the top of this site.
9  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban Bacon King on: July 22, 2015, 12:23:05 pm
He blatantly violated the trust placed in him by allowing others access to restricted material. That is completely unacceptable, regardless of any mitigating circumstances or past history. This ban will not be reversed by me. If Dave overrules, so be it, but I suggest making your case to him directly if your goal is to achieve his reinstatement.
10  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 12:18:50 pm
It's theft, pure and simple. Accessing, or in Adam's case assisting someone else to access with knowledge of what would occur, portions of Dave Leip's private property that he has chosen not to make available to you is akin to breaking into someone's house.
I'd guess you've never been robbed before, then.  I have...and I can assure you, this is nothing like that.

By that logic, then a good many of us must be banned for having viewed or possessed stolen goods, as well.

Unban him.

I actually have, but I don't intend to turn this into a war of anecdotes, or to compare one crime to another in terms of severity, since that doesn't change the fact that it's still theft, regardless of the amount, or what was taken.

No, viewing stolen material is not bannable, but actively assisting in theft, with knowledge of what one was assisting with, is most certainly bannable. If you disagree with that policy, take it up with Dave. If he overturns my decision, I will gladly abide by it.
11  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 11:24:22 am
It's theft, pure and simple. Accessing, or in Adam's case assisting someone else to access with knowledge of what would occur, portions of Dave Leip's private property that he has chosen not to make available to you is akin to breaking into someone's house.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Bacon King Statement on: July 22, 2015, 10:29:48 am
This has indeed been the close of a sad chapter. I have never regretted a ban of a poster more than this one.

Ummm... okay just don't ban her them??

Ok, perhaps the context above was not clear. Regret that it had to come to this would be more accurate.
13  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban adamgriffin on: July 22, 2015, 10:13:13 am
Information has come to my attention that Griffin played a key role in the Tweed/BaconKing release of private info in the Moderator's Corner. That was the cause of his ban.

If anyone has any evidence that this isn't true, please let me know and I will reconsider. The matter is still being investigated.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Bacon King Statement on: July 21, 2015, 08:59:18 pm
This has indeed been the close of a sad chapter. I have never regretted a ban of a poster more than this one.
15  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: So what colors are we going to use for the 2016 Presidential Primaries? on: July 21, 2015, 10:51:12 am
Pretty unlikely that all 14 candidates will win counties, but yeah, could be interesting even if it's half that number.

Even Obama's 2012 primary opponents won some counties.

Yes, but odds are at least a few will drop out before Iowa and New Hampshire, and then several more immediately thereafter after poor (no county winning) showings.
16  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Moderation policies: what should they be? on: July 20, 2015, 02:49:16 pm
For the record, this post will provide insight into my philosophy of moderation/administration since becoming modadmin of the site. I apologize in advance if a lack of communicating this more clearly in the past may be the source of any of the problems we've had.

The terms of service are a clear guideline outlined by the owner of this web site (which is his private and personal property, may I add) as to what is and is not allowable content on this site. Therefore, if any violations of it come to my attention, it is my duty to uphold his wishes and enforce them. There have certainly been times when certain infractions/violations have been either more or less likely to come to my attention due to my personal level of activity and also the extent to which posts get reported and the extent to which I am personally notified of the problem. This has, no doubt, led to situations where posters have received more or less punishment than others based on the availability of this knowledge to me.

I perform this job on a completely volunteer basis, and thus I feel it is unreasonable to expect me to comb through each and every post and be personally fully knowledgeable as to each poster's full history or the entire context of a particular post/thread. I rely on information being summarized for me by those who are more active than I personally am in the day to day repartee of the Forum, as well as the posts reported for review. Again, this might lead, in some cases, to a distortion of the "true" reality of a situation, but I am only as good as the information I have, and what is communicated to me.

I do believe there is immense value in attempting to be as consistent as possible in enforcing the TOS. As noted above, this is Dave's guidelines to what conduct he deems acceptable on his own personal site. No one has any absolute right to post whatever they want here; we are all  essentially a guest on his property, the standing invitation for which can be revoked at any time, with or without explanation. That is not to say that we can't exercise discretion and consider circumstances in each individual case, but we also cannot in good conscience ignore such violations without a really good reason.

There is value in going through this process in a semi-legalistic way. It is important for us to examine our own procedures regularly to ensure that we are not enforcing vendettas or taking ad hoc action without considering how it fits into the overall vision for the site. Hence why, to take just one recent example, there was a lengthy debate over the case of CCSF and whether he was simply being targeted for being in an extreme minority in his views or whether he met a consistent standard of unacceptable behavior applied to past bannings. Combined with the fact that such conversations are not happening in real time, but rather over a period of days/months as each mod has the opportunity to weigh in, and I admit that unfortunately swift and decisive action is sometimes compromised in the name of the integrity of the process. However, I find this much preferable to acting too quickly without examination of the rationale behind action.

So in closing, to any whom feel let down/disappointed with the quality of the moderating here, I understand that. I hope that recent changes will alleviate these concerns, and look forward to answering specific complaints not addressed above.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Moderation policies: what should they be? on: July 20, 2015, 02:18:29 pm
That, and the fact that it causes complaints in the guise of "WTF fascist mods, I was infracted 5 points for post x, which was clearly less bad than post y from poster z that got 3 points, clearly this proves this Forum is a joke".
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: So what colors are we going to use for the 2016 Presidential Primaries? on: July 20, 2015, 12:49:43 pm
Pretty unlikely that all 14 candidates will win counties, but yeah, could be interesting even if it's half that number.
19  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Someone has tried to hack into my account? on: July 16, 2015, 05:44:08 pm
When "Good Atlas" rivals "Bad Atlas" in terms of the quantity and quality of its election maps, I'll switch over.
20  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition for an active ModAdmin on: July 08, 2015, 12:45:17 pm
I could certainly use all the help I can get. Dave has been notified.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 1992 if Perot Never Dropped Out on: July 07, 2015, 07:22:00 pm
Might have actually hurt him, as there would've been more time for the media and his opponents to dig up dirt on him. With his late reentry and with Bush and Clinton effectively ignoring him and focusing on each other, he had the advantage of being a blank slate and largely a protest vote.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What happened to West Virginia and Virginia on: June 25, 2015, 01:02:28 pm
More to the point, there are far fewer coal jobs in those states than there once were, and Republicans have successfully managed to blame Democratic environmental policies for this.
23  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban JoMCaR on: June 23, 2015, 06:56:56 pm
My apologies for the error.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: On What Issues Is Obama to Bill Clinton's Right? on: June 18, 2015, 05:42:45 pm
Health care, comparing the bills each proposed.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Reagan Democrats vote post Reagan? on: June 18, 2015, 11:01:27 am
I think a lot of political junkies overestimate the extent to which ideology is determinative of vote choice.

Reagan was the most charismatic Presidential candidate perhaps ever (which shouldn't be a surprise, considering that he was a professional actor). Many voted for him due to personal characteristics. Most of those "Reagan Democrats" haven't voted for another Republican since.

However, it is true that many who identified as Democrats but voted for Reagan were too conservative for the modern Democratic party and are thus now Republicans, or at least independents.

So overall, I would say they are a swing group.
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