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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What happened to West Virginia and Virginia on: June 25, 2015, 01:02:28 pm
More to the point, there are far fewer coal jobs in those states than there once were, and Republicans have successfully managed to blame Democratic environmental policies for this.
2  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban JoMCaR on: June 23, 2015, 06:56:56 pm
My apologies for the error.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: On What Issues Is Obama to Bill Clinton's Right? on: June 18, 2015, 05:42:45 pm
Health care, comparing the bills each proposed.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Reagan Democrats vote post Reagan? on: June 18, 2015, 11:01:27 am
I think a lot of political junkies overestimate the extent to which ideology is determinative of vote choice.

Reagan was the most charismatic Presidential candidate perhaps ever (which shouldn't be a surprise, considering that he was a professional actor). Many voted for him due to personal characteristics. Most of those "Reagan Democrats" haven't voted for another Republican since.

However, it is true that many who identified as Democrats but voted for Reagan were too conservative for the modern Democratic party and are thus now Republicans, or at least independents.

So overall, I would say they are a swing group.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Old Guard here isn't too happy about the existence of an alternative forum. on: June 16, 2015, 07:00:53 pm
The post was deleted for veering from the original topic/trolling. In retrospect I probably should've assigned only one point to it instead of three.

Regarding Solarstorm, I was merely stating forum policy, as well as attempting to counsel him as a fellow human being. I was not offering any opinion regarding the validity of any specific posts/accusations.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will someone besides Hillary win a Democratic primary/caucus? on: June 15, 2015, 01:29:45 pm
Howard Dean won VT in 2004 (his only state won) after dropping out of the race, so yeah, Sanders has to be considered to have a good shot there.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New NOAA Research Puts Global Warming 'Hiatus' in Doubt on: June 11, 2015, 03:02:59 pm
Of course, Jfern.  I'm not trying to say global warming isn't a thing.  I'm saying the collective freakout is unneccesary and harmful.  Not only to the economy, but also to other, more imminent environmental concerns.

Reduce, reuse, recycle is infinitely better advice than "OMFG IF WE DONT CHAIN OURSELVES TO THE COAL PLANT FENCE THE OCEAN WILL RISE 2 feet in the NEXT 20 YEARS!  Sorry Doctor Hansen, it didn't happen...

I get my climate science info from climate scientists and their research...not some moonbat "journalist" on Salon.com who just cites Bill effing Nye to PROVE the Texas floods were caused by co2 warming cuz warmer atmosphere holds something something moisture.

Hint:  I understand the climate and meteorological underpinnings as well as the real human impact (land use much?) that played into those floods.  Co2, at most, had almost nothing to do with it.

But nobody would care to read that.  Cuz Bill Nye is the science guy and I'm the stupid denier!

I don't see the evidence for this "collective freakout". If what you mean is that the rhetoric and histrionics adopted by some on the left hurts the cause of environmentalism more than it helps it, I agree. But I can't think of a single negative policy change enacted in the name of climate change, while our inaction on the issue is hurting our economy and the planet both in the short AND long term. We're protecting antiquated industries instead of evolving our economy to a more sustainable model.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Reagan Democrats vote post Reagan? on: June 11, 2015, 01:31:16 pm
Stan Greenberg did a lengthy study on this focused on Macomb County, MI, which he concluded after the 2008 election.

Here's his op-ed announcing the end of the study: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/opinion/11greenberg.html?_r=0
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Reagan Democrats vote post Reagan? on: June 11, 2015, 10:53:55 am
Stan Greenberg did a lengthy study on this focused on Macomb County, MI, which he concluded after the 2008 election.
10  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to revoke 10 of my death points on: June 09, 2015, 02:21:42 pm
So...moderator poses as banned poster on another forum.  Someone who doesn't know the policy quotes a post from said poster and is awarded the max points with no warning.

Then the moderator in question admits it's a ruse, that he did it.  Thus no rules were broken.

Obviously you guys don't care.  But at this point you guys are literally baiting people for infraction points without any consequences.

Just saying.

This is the first I've learned about any of this.  I haven't joined the Kool Kids Klub, because (see my initial post), but I have to admit that you guys getting trolled by someone (regardless of whom) pretending to be everybody's favorite pedo is pretty hilarious.  What was the refrain again?  "Hallelujah! Rejoice! He has returned!!!!"

Btw I like the "you guys are literally baiting people for infraction points" line.  Yep, the entire mod team was behind this for the sh[Inks] and giggles.  We discussed it in the mod cave first.
Tbh I don't care much whether opebo posts at aad or if brtd quotes every post he would allegedly make here followed by a string of sickening praise.  THAT, I dont care about.

I think it's ridiculous to have stupid, made up johnny on the spot, arbitrary rules enforced by some dude in Michigan who no longer posts here but applied by a team of self appointed (well, chosen by other mods) guys who either don't care or care way way too much.

Had nym instructed me to "infract the MAXIMUM bwahahahaha" I would have ignored him.  Is he gonna fire me?  Give me a good talking to?  Get vindictive? Contact a client of mine through my isp and try to screw up my real life?  Who cares!?  Or is he gonna use his power to ban you and prove you do actually care?

In Dallas' defense, he did a great impression and he moderates the way one should.  But if something like this happens, those points should be removed because it affects their ability to continue posting here and was perpetrated by the mods (guilt by association...who cares?).  BK did the right thing.

It seems the mods either dont care and wont hold other mods in check...or they care too much and ruin this place with edits and self important legalese that simply justifies entrapment.

Joe, you had nothing to do with this. But sometimes it takes guilt by association to mod the mods.



These aren't edicts handed down without reason. Reposting quotes from banned posters is a blatant attempt to circumvent a ban. I don't understand why that would be controversial or seem arbitrary.

The points were removed once it was determined this wasn't what happened, but it doesn't alter the intent of BRTD's post.
11  General Discussion / History / Re: Youngest & Oldest Presidential Electoral Vote Recipients on: June 08, 2015, 02:57:58 pm
Good work. I wonder what this would look like if extended to include EVs cast for Vice President. Pretty sure the oldest was Henry Davis, age 81 in 1904, and that the youngest was John Breckinridge in 1856 at 36.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Britain Considering a Written Constitution After 800 Years on: June 08, 2015, 10:48:56 am
Ideally one wouldn't be necessary. The answer to the question depends on what's in it and who gets to be involved in the process of drafting it, which I can imagine would be a bit contentious.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why was Oregon closer then Florida in 2004 on: June 07, 2015, 01:58:27 am
In 2012 Oregon was 8 points more Dem than the nation as a whole and Florida was 3 points more GOP.

In 2004 Oregon was 7 points more Dem than the national average and Florida 2 points more GOP.

No mystery here. This is what happens when the GOP wins a 3 point national victory.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Will we ever have a president born in the 1950's? on: June 03, 2015, 05:01:10 pm
Considering that there were more Americans born in the 1950s than in any other decade in US history, it'd be a bit surprising if none of them ever becomes President.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: West Virginia 2008 vs 2012 on: May 07, 2015, 12:05:05 pm
Regarding allegations of racism in West Virginia....keep in mind that even in 2012 Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote there than almost anywhere else in the South. If he had done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've won North Carolina.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What would 1992 look like if Perot never dropped out? on: May 05, 2015, 01:17:06 pm
The problem for Perot was that his support was pretty evenly distributed throughout the country, and the states he performed best in were small.

If he had gained 5% nationally and it came equally from Clinton and Bush, he still would've only won Maine's 2nd district (the only electoral vote he came within 5% of winning). He still comes up short in Maine unless his increased support comes very disproportionally from Clinton there (Maine was the only state he came within 10% of winning).

If he had done 10% better nationally and his support comes equally from Clinton and Bush, he still only wins Maine (state and both districts), Idaho (by one one hundredth of one percent!), Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, and Nevada. He would've fallen short in Utah unless his increased support came fairly disproportionally from Bush. Even getting all those plus Utah (those 8 states are the only ones that he received more than 25% of the vote in reality) still only gets him up to 32 electoral votes.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Banzilla #2 - The Ban Boy Returns - Petition to ban Solarstorm on: April 28, 2015, 10:51:12 am
Bullying, insulting, taunting, etc. of other posters will not be tolerated on this site, either in the form of posts or personal messages. Anyone who engages in such will be infracted and potentially banned.

Solarstorm, for your own good, please take a respite and seek help. There are many cruel people in this world, but (especially on the internet) they only have as much power over you as you allow them to have.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Snyder set to announce soon. on: April 25, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
A kinder, gentler Scott Walker, which makes him more dangerous.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How did Perot get so much support? on: April 24, 2015, 03:43:55 pm
It was a great shame that Stockdale became an object of such ridicule considering he was one of the greatest war heroes to run for Prez/VP (as was George McGovern). It is true that he had no business being in the debate, however.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton to fulfill the Atlas Forum's dreams with 50 state strategy. on: April 23, 2015, 12:42:01 pm
Money has diminishing returns when concentrated to large degrees. The swing states are already over-saturated and getting slightly outspent on tv ads (if that's what it takes....reality is Hillary almost certainly will have enough money to do both) there is worth establishing a small presence in an otherwise overlooked state.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Could the election of 1944 have been delayed? on: April 22, 2015, 10:44:06 am
Coincidentally, this is the primary reason I support the electoral college.  Imagine an earthquake in L.A. or a Category 5 hurricane in Houston the day before the election.

Contingencies could be accounted for on a localized and case by case basis.

For example, the NYC primary for mayor and other offices was originally scheduled for 9/11/01 and then delayed (I assume those who had already cast ballots in the hour prior to the attacks had to revote?).
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why did Carter do so well in the plains? on: April 22, 2015, 10:38:44 am
Wasn't Ford originally from Nebraska? That would explain why he did so much better there.

He was born there, yes.
23  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: 2012 White Obama Lovers Map by County Project - WV, MD & DC added on: April 21, 2015, 06:27:16 pm
So if Obama had only done as well with whites in North Carolina as he did in West Virginia, he would've probably won North Carolina.
24  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Moderator Announcement on The Update on: April 15, 2015, 03:47:34 pm
I fully concur with and support this policy. Please feel free to contact Dave directly via the "Email" link at the top of this page if you have any complaints/concerns, as only through his intervention is there any possibility of this policy being modified/changed in the future. He has made it clear to the mod team that he was displeased with the recent invasion of posters here onto a different site, and that was a major impetus in this decision.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Nixon vs. Humphrey vs. Wallace Today on: April 13, 2015, 02:46:36 pm
The problem with these sorts of hypotheticals is that the issues and the range of acceptable positions change, so the only fair way to do it IMO is to compensate for that. For example, Wallace's views on race may have been shared by 30-40% of Americans in 1968 but obviously would be unthinkable for any mainstream candidate today (remember that he himself renounced them, and won the black vote in 1982 when he ran for Governor), so give him a comparable position by today's standards. Nixon's positions on economics would basically make him a mainstream Democrat today, but made him a moderate Republican then, so perhaps someone like Chris Christie is a more apt comparison.
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