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1  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: google+ on: Today at 04:55:04 am
I use it for making video calls all the time.  (At least twice a week, but usually more.)  As I said in this thread, I actually make video calls with Google+ more often than I make calls with an actual phone.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: Today at 04:49:56 am
Also, now that you have job, does that mean you and Allison can get serious about planning this wedding?

Good point.  He said that he wouldn't get officially engaged until he has a job.  Now he has a job, so….
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie on: April 18, 2014, 08:15:26 am
Seamus: And that's the situation we've found ourselves in, these past many years.  We're stuck here, in this bunker.  In this bunker, we have the only working time machine that Muon has been able to construct.  But unfortunately, it isn't mobile.  We could use the device to escape, but we couldn't take it with us.  It would be left behind, vulnerable for Winfield to ultimately find it, and misuse it.

I foolishly tried to use the device on my own initiative, for my own selfish reasons, years ago, and it backfired.  In the hands of Winfield, the consequences would be catastrophic.

Muon2: But I'm afraid we're trapped here.  We dare not even attempt to power up the device anymore, as we believe that Winfield is close to tracking us down, and the radiation signature from the device could attract his attention.

Ideally, we'd like to dismantle it, and make our way to the Idaho border....eventually getting it to Canada, where custody of the device can be transferred to a group of international scientists.  But that now seems fanciful, given the military situation in this vicinity.....especially now that the US military appears to be making a large scale assault on the city.

Winfield: And that brings us to this week.  After all this time, investigating various leads on the location of Seamus, Muon, and the time machine, we finally chased down a most promising lead.  I believe they're hiding in a secret Xerox lab here in the Salt Lake City area.  But yes, as I said earlier, I needed two former Xerox employees in order to unlock the exact location of the laboratory.  I already had one on my payroll, Bushie.  But I needed another.  Yougo, who happened to be trading with the Space Bikers in Oklahoma, was investigating leads on other Xerox employees who might be living there, when something remarkable happened.

In the early hours of yesterday morning, I was awakened by Bushie, who had been secretly keeping his remaining Oklahoma friends updated about the weather there via his NSAbook weather app.  He identified a very curious weather pattern forming, which appeared to be a tornado traveling through time from the year 2013.  It didn't take him long to realize that, somehow, you and your canine friend were being transported through time to the present day from 16 years in the past.

In any case, NSAbook identified you as a former Xerox employee.  At that point, we knew that we had to get you here.  So Bushie concocted a story about communicating with you from the year 2035, guiding you to the time machine here.

Unfortunately, he also set up a parallel search effort for the device, enlisting the help of President Naso.  But Naso got impatient.  Rather than giving the effort the requested 48 hours, Naso gave up after 24 hours, and has now sent in "commandos" to take the city, who're now doing combat with the local crime lords, Mormon militias, Islamists, etc.  It's a real mess out there right now, and we're going to have to wait it out, before we try to move you and Bushie to locate the Xerox lab.

But the point is that I was always skeptical of the idea that the time machine might be real.  The reason I wanted it was to produce more UGrow, to make Gov. Romney younger again.  But now that I've seen that you and your canine friend are capable of traveling through time, well......

Maybe time travel is real after all.  Maybe that thing does work.  If it does, then forget about making Gov. Romney younger.  We can just go back in time, and alter the timeline so as to install him as president.

Hog: So you want to go back in time to....when?  Some point in the 2008 or 2012 campaigns?

Winfield: I haven't yet decided on the exact destination.  I did mention how Gov. Romney's distraction in January 2008 caused him to lose out on Gov. Crist's endorsement.  That is one possibility.  However, I'm not sure that 2008 would have been winnable for him.  I was actually hoping that Sen. McCain would pick Gov. Romney as his running mate that year, but he ended up choosing an Alaskan airhead.  I do think that the timeline could be altered to prevent that, allowing Gov. Romney to serve on the 2008 GOP ticket, setting up his own presidential campaign down the road.  This should be easily fixable, as Sen. McCain's oversight was precipitated by your own traveling companion, Mr. Twister, who was once known on the Atlas forum as "Aizen".

Hog: What?

Winfield: It was the evening of July 16, 2008.  Gov. Romney was on Sen. McCain's running mate short list.  I was visiting the Governor's Massachusetts residence, going over some preparations he was to make for his interview with Sen. McCain the following day.  During some down time, I browsed the Atlas forum, and found this thread, which had been started by Aizen:


Gov. Romney wanted to see what I was looking at on my laptop.

July 2008, Mitt Romney's mansion in Boston, MA

Mitt Romney: What's this?  What are you looking at, Winfield?

Winfield: Oh.....uh.....nothing sir.  Hey, Governor.......perhaps we should think of some contingency plans in case Sen. McCain picks someone else.   Do you think the President can constitutionally drop the Vice President from the administration part way through the term if the Vice President has never been found guilty of breaking any law or done anything that would otherwise prevent the Vice President from carrying out his or her responsibilities, and is completely physically, emotionally, and mentally capable of carrying out the duties of Vice President?

In other words, can the President constitutionally drop the Vice President part way through the term simply because the President wants to or simply because the President wants a new Vice President?

Assuming all the above conditions in paragraph one are met by the Vice President, under what grounds can the President drop the Vice President part way through the term, if any?

Please discuss.

Mitt Romney: Don't be so evasive Winfield, I'm really interested in what you might be looking at.  It looks like some kind of internet forum, to discuss elections and campaigns and whatnot.

Winfield: (having now been caught out, and forced to tell the truth) Yes sir.  But don't worry yourself over this.  It's just some know-nothing from Colorado besmirching your good name.

Mitt Romney: Nonsense, Winfield.  You shouldn't be an elitist by calling such a person a "know-nothing".  Internet messageboard posters are people, my friend.  This gentleman has taken the time to register on a free website, and typed out an opinion that will be viewed by dozens of individuals around the world.  Surely, his take on the day's goings on is worthy of our respect.

[Romney points at the screen.]

Mitt Romney: Now look here.  This fellow has titled this message "Aizen's unbiased analysis of Mitt Romney".  Hear that?  That's exactly the kind of feedback from the common man that I'm looking for.  With such constructive criticism of my political skills, I can make a more effective pitch to Sen. McCain.

Now look, this fellow writes "bad".  OK, well, not what I was hoping for, but we'll see how he justifies this opinion.

The next word is "bad" as well.  And then "bad bad bad bad bad bad....".

What's this down here?  "LOL"?

Winfield: Governor, I'm afraid that stands for "laugh out loud".

[Romney's face is now ashen.]

Winfield: I'm sorry for showing you this, Governor.  I can't believe that there are such fools out there, who don't appreciate your greatness.  Speaking of that, I've always wanted to ask you: Were you born great, did you have greatness thrust upon you, or did you achieve greatness?

Mitt Romney: Oh.....well.....that's nice of you Winfield, but maybe we should move on.

Winfield: Reading that trolling post from Aizen sparked self-doubt within Gov. Romney, and he couldn't handle the interview with Sen. McCain the following day.

July 2008, McCain campaign headquarters, Arlington, VA

John McCain: Governor, I'm going to be honest with you.  I don't have much respect for you, my friend.  Your positions on issues seem to depend on what office you're running for, and whether it's an even numbered year or not.  If I don't like your opinion, I suppose I can just wait a couple of weeks, and see if it changes.  Perhaps your solution to the immigration issue will be to get out your small-varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off your lawn.

But I may need you, nonetheless.  You can land a good punch in a debate against whoever that underqualified celebrity from Hawaii will choose as his #2 man, and I can use that.  I may hate you more than I did my Vietnamese torturers, but you might just be the right person to be my #2.  In fact, I realize that I can't look at you without thinking about #2, my friend.

Mitt Romney: Gosh Senator, you don't know how grateful I am to hear those words.  I mean, there are so many people out there who don't believe in me, and I....

[Romney begins to tear up.  He then grabs McCain's arm, as his emotions overcome him.]

Mitt Romney: There are a lot of people out there who hate me, John.  I just don't know if I can handle it.

[McCain looks back at him with a mix of confusion and disgust.  He can't believe the sorry emotional state that Romney appears to be in.]

Winfield: His emotional breakdown doomed his vice presidential hopes.  But if that time machine is real, we can fix his mistakes.  America will be a much better place than the hell that it has become.

So what do you think, Mr. Hog?  Will you help me find that time machine, and restore America to its greatness, by fixing the mistakes of either 2008 or 2012?  We can even fix the mistakes of your own life, and prevent you from becoming a hobo.

Hog: But....wait a minute!  The "hell that America has become"?  You created that hell.  You fuelled this insurgency and tore this country apart....for what?  Just to advance the political interests of a multimillionaire politician?  How many thousands?  millions? died because of you?  You're a madman.

Winfield: And what kind of lives would those people have had under Barack Obama, and all of the worthless presidents we've had since him?  You have to believe that American can do better.  Follow me to the better America that Gov. Romney….that President Romney will build.

Believe in America.

Win with Winfield.

4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie on: April 18, 2014, 08:12:31 am
Winfield: Hog, you were the first test subject that they experimented on.  You were an employee of Xerox here in Salt Lake City, recruited to work on this project.  They put you in the device, tried to send you across the room, but you actually ended up in Oklahoma.  Because of the memory problems created by the use of the device on humans, you found that you couldn't remember who you were.  You wandered the streets of Oklahoma City, becoming a hobo, and apparently, according to my records, engaging in numerous orgies with your fellow hobos, eventually using the abandoned property owned by Bushie.  Eventually being intimidated by his frequent, once a week visits to the property, each of which lasted for a few minutes, you abandoned the use of the property, but swore vengeance against Bushie.

[Hog reacts in disbelief, as his entire life seems to make sense now.]

Winfield: At least, that's what my research team has been able to piece together.  I'm not sure that Seamus realizes that that test subject survived, or that he is you, but I believe that is your identity.

Seamus: In any case, while the use of the spacetime device created memory problems for humans, it had no known side effects on dogs.  So I had to act alone.

Blondie: Act alone?

Seamus: I had no need to use the time travel aspects of the device.  But like we said, it was a spacetime machine.  With stolen blueprints of the animal experimentation labs for Bain's affiliate companies, I singlehandedly broke into each of the labs, and freed all of the dogs.  Bain's canine experimentation days were done.

Winfield: Governor Romney was incensed.  By this time, it was January 2008.  He was campaigning in Jacksonville, Florida, and he said on camera "Who let the dogs out?  Who?  Who?":


It was actually a coded message to his operatives at Bain to communicate his displeasure at the turn of events.

But despite the setback, he continued on with his campaign.  Though it wasn't quite the same after that.  He was distracted by the sabotage of the canine UGrow experiments, and botched a meeting with Florida Gov. Charlie Crist later in the week.  Crist then endorsed rival candidate John McCain, McCain won the primary, and the rest is history.  The governor's 2008 presidential hopes were dashed.

Muon was still nominally working with Gov. Romney.  Still supplying him with UGrow.  But with no canine research.....the tests of the drug as a means of slowing the aging process were dead in the water.

Nonetheless, the Governor continued to use it on himself, and it did allow him to keep his youthful appearance for yet another presidential run in 2012.....which unfortunately ended in defeat as well.

Seamus: And that's where things stood until June 2013, when I discovered that there was still one rogue Bain laboratory still in operation, in the state of Oklahoma.  I used the spacetime device to break into the lab, and free all of the dogs.  One of those dogs was *you*, Blondie.  You and the other dogs escaped into the Oklahoma wilderness and scattered.....but you were eventually found by Bushie, who decided to adopt you, after making only the most minimal attempt to look for your owner.

[Blondie's eyes go wide.]

Blondie: What?!?  They ran those experiments on me?

Seamus: Of course.  Haven't you ever wondered why you have human-level intelligence?  Haven't you ever noticed that you're a dog and yet you can somehow *talk*?

Blondie: I wondered, yes....but how am I supposed to know how these things work?  I'm just a dog.

Seamus: It doesn't work like this on all dogs.  But for the rare cases, like you and me, it not only slows our aging process, but increases our intelligence, well beyond the normal canine baseline.  I've been taking the UGrow for many decades now, and am now about 50 years old, give or take.  Yes, the aging process is finally catching up on me, as I can only cheat death for so long.  You'd cheat it too, Blondie, if you continued to take the UGrow, but it's surely been at least a few weeks since you took it last, so I don't know how long it'll last before it wears off on you, and you revert to normal canine aging and intelligence.

In any case, I destroyed that one final Bain lab, but security camera footage of the attack managed to make its way to Gov. Romney.  His investigators pieced together everything.  My work as the "Irishman" was uncovered, Dr. Bieber was interrogated, and they discovered my work with Muon.

Muon2: I was engaged in more time travel research with my summer student, PiT here, at that time.  But when Gov. Romney figured out what we had done, I cut off his supply of UGrow.  And then PiT, Seamus, and I all went into hiding from Gov. Romney.  And then later, after Mr. Romney's heart attack, from Winfield.

Blondie: His heart attack?

Winfield: By this time, my father was running the black ops programs within Bain.  One of the projects involved the genetic engineering of male/male hybrid babies.

Hog: Male/male hybrid babies?  I feel like I've heard this story before.

Winfield: You see, the governor and his lovely wife Ann were blessed by fate in that they produced five male heirs to carry on the family name.  Five sons and no daughters, such remarkable luck!

Hog: If you say so.

Winfield: However, not every wealthy family in this fair land is so fortunate.  Especially since smaller family sizes are now more common among the nation's elite.  What is one to do in the absence of a male heir to carry on the family line?

And so, in the early 2000s, the same Bain-funded company researching UGrow decided to invest in the creation of drugs for men that would selectively cause them to produce sperm with Y chromosomes exclusively, to insure that they had male heirs.  

This drug was successfully produced, using stem cells from aborted fetuses.  Which wasn't a problem for Bain, since Gov. Romney was staunchly pro-choice at the time.

However, this drug never went to market because of a logic problem.

Hog: A logic problem?

Winfield: Yes.  If every wealthy man produced only male heirs with his wife, then who would those sons marry?  Upper class men would be forced to either marry someone beneath their status, or go extinct within one generation.

The solution was simple.  We must invent the technology for male/male genetic hybrids.  And so, it was invented, by that same Bain-funded biotech firm.  The breakthrough was made in 2013, just after the Supreme Court mandated male/male gay marriages in the state of Oklahoma.

We created male/male genetic combo children just in time for that mandatory Oklahoma gay marriage ruling.

Hog: OK, but what does this have to do with anything?  You started on this tangent after saying that Mitt Romney had a heart attack?

Winfield: It was because of what happened afterwards.  The male/male hybrids grew to adulthood very fast.  They reached maturity within just a couple of years after birth.  The first such hybrid was Fredward.  He was our prototype, so we programmed a "back door" into his brain, so as to control him, if necessary.  That was in fact proved necessary, when I decided that I needed him as a figurehead to lead the Islamist insurrection.

Hog: Yeah, this is what I don't get.  If you're not an Islamist yourself, why are you helping them?

Winfield: To help create a crisis for this great country so extreme that only a President Romney could possibly resolve it.  I first started feeding the Islamists premium data from Dave Leip's US Election Atlas in the mid-2010s, just as their movement was gathering steam.  I hoped to create a groundswell of support for a 2016 Romney presidential campaign.

But Gov. Romney was too weak.

Without the UGrow, his aging resumed, at a very rapid clip.  He grew sickly.  And in fact.....once he realized how grim the situation was in America......he had a heart attack.  His heart ached for America, and America was in deep trouble.  We had him put into suspended animation, with the hope that, once Muon was found, we could secure more UGrow, and revive him.

I had to continue on.

I installed Fredward as leader of the Islamists, helping them to organize, using all of the demographic data that I had taken from the Atlas website.  I even kidnapped Dave Leip himself right out of his Massachusetts home, and have continued to use his expertise, long after the Atlas website itself was shut down.

I knew that Muon and Seamus were hiding somewhere in the western United States, and I wanted to lock down Islamist control of this region, in order to find them, even sending my brother Yougo out on expeditions to go looking for them, whenever I stumbled upon a lead.

Unfortunately, Fredward turned out to have a genetic defect, and he passed away within a few years.  However, it was at this time that Bushie was trying to make a move back to the United States.  He'd grown tired of exile in Kenya, but could not legally return.  But federal law doesn't mean much in contested areas like Salt Lake City.  The holographic projection system I had built, in order to replicate the image of Fredward, and make the rest of the world believe that he was still alive......it was designed by Rainbow Play Systems, and Bushie had a good deal of experience with their computer systems.  He's also been able to keep up with the maintenance on my robot servants.  His work ethic has actually improved quite a bit from the old days.  He was a promising hire, as he'd even helped us organize politically in Kenya.

In any case, I've been running the insurgency from various underground bunkers, scattered throughout the Rockies.  But this......this is the largest of them, by far.  This facility is actually an extension of the underground security headquarters built by Gov. Romney for the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie on: April 18, 2014, 08:10:30 am
Summer 1995, Mitt Romney's mansion in Boston, MA

[We see a teenage Winfield in the living room, going over his homework from his summer school, as we pan over to an open door, and push through the door, finding a study where Mitt Romney and his associate, Winfield's father, discuss the tragedy of Gov. Romney's passing.]

Father Winfield: I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, sir, but I don't think I've ever seen you like this.

Mitt Romney: I can't argue with you there.  It's just that.....

I believed my father was a great man.  The Republican Party may not have had the wisdom to nominate him for president, but he otherwise achieved everything he could have wanted in life.

Father Winfield: You believeed, past tense?

Mitt Romney: Gosh darnit to heck, I'm just not sure anymore.  At one point, he seemed invincible to me.  But to see him whither away and die.....

Father Winfield: It's a fact of life, sir.  It'll happen to all of us....eventually.  If we're lucky enough to live that long.

Mitt Romney: No.....(as Romney begins to have a realization)....no, it doesn't have to happen to all of us.  I've been a fool.  My father may have been defeated by death, but I never will be!  I'm going to restart the UGrow project.

Father Winfield: So that you can put the drug into mass production?

Mitt Romney: No, at least not yet.  No, my father may have been defeated by death, and he may have been defeated by the Republican Party establishment in his quest for the presidency......

But I will be defeated by neither.  We're going to put UGrow back into production, and continue to research it, to make it safer.  But we're not going to sell it on a mass scale.  I'm going to take it myself.

Father Winfield: Sir?

Mitt Romney: That's right.  I may not have been elected to statewide office yet, but I can devise a strategy to put myself in the White House by the end of next decade.  And if I'm taking the UGrow, then I'll continue to be as energetic and vital as I am today, well into my 60s.

Father Winfield: Are you sure about this sir?

Mitt Romney: As sure as I am of the fact that I'd be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy.

Muon2: After years in which the project lay dormant, I was contacted again by Mr. Romney about supplying more UGrow.

Seamus: Romney took the UGrow himself, but also restarted the experiments on dogs, much to my horror.  He wanted to perfect the drug, and continued to believe that canine experimentation was the only path forward towards refining it for safe use in humans.

I couldn't allow that.  But I was limited in terms of the amount of sabotage I could maintain.  It took me years to devise a plan, but I eventually managed to find the source of the UGrow....

Muon2: It happened when I was visiting the Illinois state legislature, getting some tips from legislators about running for office.

2002, Illinois state capitol building

[Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama is walking down the hall with Muon2, giving him advice on the political game in the state of Illinois.]

Obama: Aaaaaand so, you're going to want to live in the district that you represent.  Uhhh.....you should talk to my good friend Tony Rezko, he can set you up with some good real estate deals.  You'll also want to join aaaaaaa local church.  Uhhhhh.........perhaps the church that I attend, featuring Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

[Muon shakes Obama's hand, as he prepares to move on to his next appointment.]

Muon2: Thank you senator.  You've been a big help.

[As Obama leaves him, Muon knocks on the office door of another state legislator.]

Seamus: (voiceover, coming from inside the office) Come in!

[Muon enters the room, but is shocked to see a dog--Seamus--sitting at the desk in front of him, rather than the state senator he was expecting.]

Seamus: Dr. Muon, please don't be alarmed.  Yes, I am a dog, and yes, I am talking to you.  No, you are no hallucinating.

Now, I've taken a big risk by coming here today.  I've been living in Canada for nearly two decades now.

Muon2: You don't look that old.....for a dog.

Seamus: I've been aging slowly because I still have a large residual supply of the UGrow that you supplied to Mr. Romney.

Muon2: What?  How do you know about that?

Seamus: I'll explain.  I'll explain everything to you.  And if you're the kind of man that I think you are, then you'll agree to help me put an end to Mr. Romney's animal abuse.

Seamus: I explained everything to Muon, and tried to talk him into turning against Romney.

Muon2: I sympathized with Seamus's concerns, but I had a longstanding relationship with Romney, and couldn't end it immediately.  So I continued to supply Mr. Romney--who became Governor Romney later that year--with UGrow, albeit in smaller quantities than what he was accustomed to.  I made up some excuses about hiccups in my research.

Winfield: Mr. Romney continued to take the UGrow himself, and aged at a slower rate than normal for humans.  When he was elected governor in 2002, he was 55 years old, but had the appearance of a man in his mid 40s.

Seamus: Meanwhile, while Muon kept up the front that he was still an ally of Gov. Romney, we also set up a series of secret labs run by Xerox, dispersed across North America.  As "The Irishman", I still had connections to various multinational corporations, which I had built using the contacts I'd stolen from Bain.

Muon2: Using the lab space that Seamus provided to me, I was able to accelerate my time travel research.  Seamus wanted me to complete the device as soon as possible, as he intended to use it to bring down Gov. Romney's entire operation.

Winfield: Muon actually wasn't very good at hiding the fact that he was up to something.  Gov. Romney suspected that something was wrong fairly early on.  In February 2004, a member of the governor's staff alerted him that Muon had registered on an online political forum known as the US Election Atlas forum.  Suspicious, he asked me to register on the same forum, and keep tabs on Muon for him.  I was happy to oblige.  By this time, I was living on my own in Rhode Island, spearheading the governor's attempts at outreach to out of state businesses.  He'd hoped that I would have moved further out of state, but Rhode Island is as far away from the governor as I could bear to be.

At the same time, my brother Hugo, or "Yougo" as he was now called, moved out to the Chicago area with a phony foster family.  He was tasked with spying on Dr. Muon in person.

Seamus: By 2007, Romney was already running for president.  Continuing to take the UGrow, and looking as young as he had in many years.  The canine experiments continued.  And again, they largely succeeded in slowing the aging in the dogs, but there were too many unpredictable mutations.  The dogs did increase their intelligence.  But as far as I know, none of the others had the gift of speech, as I did.

But it was in late 2007 that Muon's work was finally complete.  He had completed a working version of the device.

Blondie: I see.  So you had a time machine, and you could use that to go back in time, and stop the experiments before they ever started?

Muon2: No, I'm afraid that wouldn't work.  Time travel doesn't work that way.  I mean.....have you seen the movie "12 Monkeys"?

Blondie: I'm just a dog, and am only a few weeks old.  Of course I haven't.

Muon2: Well, there are two different sets of rules used in popular fiction to depict time travel.  One is the "12 Monkeys" rules, and the other is the "Back to the Future" rules.  In the latter case, it's possible to change the timeline.  But that's not how time travel really works.  It actually follows what's called the Novikov self-consistency principle, as portrayed in the science fiction film "12 Monkeys".  It means that you can't actually change history.  If you go back in time, whatever you did back in the past was always part of history.  There's no way to change it.

The problem is that Winfield doesn't actually believe that this is true, and he's convinced that he can actually change history.....but I'm getting ahead of myself now.

Seamus: Yes, you are.  Let's get back to the story.  We had a working time machine at last.  But it's not just a time machine.  It's a spacetime machine, and can transport anyone to any place or time in the universe.  By this time, Muon was working with me, and from this very lab, we did the first tests of the device on human subjects.  Unfortunately, our first subject didn't survive the test.  Subsequent subjects did survive, but we soon discovered that the device causes memory loss in humans.

6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie on: April 18, 2014, 08:08:45 am
[Cut to a shot of the Romney family car at a rest stop....Mitt opens up the cage, to clean off Seamus, but Seamus bolts, and makes a run for it.  Mitt tries to chase after him, but it's a lost cause.  Seamus is in excellent shape, and easily outruns his master.  The Romney sons are in tears, over their lost dog.]

Seamus: Yes, I ran for it.  I got away, and that was the last time I ever actually saw the Romney family in person.  Although that wasn't the official story that was told to the media.  The official story was that I lived with the family for many years afterwards.  But that wasn't what really happened.

Winfield: That wasn't what really happened, as former Atlas forum member Sam Spade explained to the forum years later, during the 2012 presidential election campaign....

Hog: Wait....Sam Spade?  We met him on our road trip, and I feel like he was trying to tell us something about dogs seeking refuge in Canada.....

[And we flash back to Episode 14....]

Hog: No husband.  It's just him and me traveling.  [points to Blondie]

Sam: Right, now I get it.  Man on dog. [looks at Hog, and then looks at Blondie]  So I guess you're trying to make it Canada then?  That's where freaks like you like to defect to, isn't it?

Winfield: Yes, he was the one who broke the true story about Seamus to the Atlas community on Jan. 31, 2012:

Mitt Romney may not have told the whole truth about the scandalous tale of his Irish Setter, Seamus, being strapped to the roof of his car during a 12-hour family road trip to Canada. According to a trusted Politicker tipster, two of Mr. Romney’s sons had an off-record conversation with reporters where they revealed the dog ran away when they reached their destination on that infamous journey in 1983.

Mr. Romney’s wife, Ann, has previously said Seamus survived the trip and went on to live to a “ripe old age.” As of this writing, Mr. Romney’s campaign has not responded to multiple requests for comment on this story.

Winfield: After Mr. Spade posted that, I tried to divert everyone's attention from this affair, but I may not have been successful:

These sorry attacks on Romney is what are sick, sick.

Get a life!

Seamus: In any case, I was so distraught by the experience.  I couldn't believe that my master....Mr. Romney.....would do such a thing....that he would put me on the roof of his car like that, when I was supposed to be a member of the family.

But I knew what to do next.  I went to find Dr. Bieber....

Dr. Bieber's office, interior

Seamus: Dr. Bieber?  I don't have an appointment, but I think there are a few things you should know about.

Dr. Bieber: My goodness!  I've been an animal behavioural specialist for decades, and I've never before seen a dog that could talk, eh?

Seamus: Please don't spread Canadian cultural stereotypes by ending every sentence with "eh?".  The fact that you included a "u" in "behavioural" was enough for me.

In any case, I think there's something that you should know about Bain, and your contact there, Mr. Romney.

Seamus: I explained everything to her, and she helped me get settled, in secret, in Canada, safe from the reach of Romney and Bain.

And I had a few tricks up my own sleave.  That is, my metaphorical sleave.  Dogs don't have sleaves.

I had swiped Romney's bank account numbers, passwords, etc.  I knew everything about the UGrow distribution process.  So I made a large bank transfer of funds to a new account I created in Canada, and also forged documents to get all of the existing supply of UGrow shipped there.  I had an ample supply of UGrow, which could keep me young for decades, as I continued to plot against Mr. Romney.  I suppose it was a large criminal heist, and my reputation grew in the criminal underworld, as "the Irishman".

(But the Canadian criminal underworld is fairly easily impressed, so don't read too much into that.)

Winfield: Mr. Romney was furious.  He couldn't believe that Seamus had escaped, and he didn't understand how someone--not realizing that it was Seamus at the time--had successfully drained the supply of UGrow from the company's inventory.

It was then that my father acted.  He knew that Mr. Romney badly wanted to prove that the UGrow could slow aging in humans, but it was too early to safely test it on humans.

But my father's devotion to Mr. Romney was unwavering!  He risked the health of his own son, to test the drug.

Hog: His son?  You mean he tested it on you?

Winfield: No, not me.  I was just a toddler.  He tested the UGrow1000 on my older brother, Hugo.

[We flash to a shot of Father Winfield feeding a pill to a 10 year old Yougo1000.]

Blondie: Wait, that kid?  The kid that I met yesterday in Oklahoma, who had me kidnapped?

Seamus: That "kid" is Winfield's brother Hugo.  Actually, his older brother.

Winfield: He was 10 years old back then.....but the UGrow1000.....it worked *too* well.  Apparently, if you take it before puberty, it not only slows down the aging process, but stops it altogether.  Even many years later, decades after he last took a dose of the UGrow, he still hasn't aged beyond 10 years old, neither physically nor mentally.

To hide his identity, to avoid explaining why he never aged, he eventually went by the name Yougo1000.....a joke on his part.  Mocking the drug that has stolen any hope of an adulthood from him.  He may be my "older" brother, but I look after him now.  And sometimes send him as my representative to trade for supplies with Space Biker gangs in Oklahoma and Kansas....

[And we flash back to:]

Blondie: Listen, kid, why were you out on the streets by yourself anyway?  It's dark.  Shouldn't your parents be watching you?

Yougo1000: I don't have parents.  I've been ten for a long time. 1933 Russia breaks up into three pieces and the western half merges with Poland to form the "Poland-West Russia Federation", or "POWER Federation".

Blondie: But someone looks after you?

Yougo1000: I have someone who looks after me.  But he's not in town.  I'm visiting on my own.  I help people out here, and they help me out. 1934 Hitler attacks the POWER Federation, but they stop him.  Hoover visits the Middle East for peace talks.

Winfield: In any case, when Mr. Romney learned that my father had recklessly tested the UGrow on my brother, and that it worked too well, that there was apparently no way to reverse the process......he shut down the program.

Seamus: Yes, I was successful in undermining the program.  Romney was embarrassed by the setback, and just wanted to move on to other things.  He remained in contact with Muon, but no longer requested him to produce more UGrow.

Winfield: That is.....UNTIL THE YEAR 1995.

Gov. George Romney had just passed away, and it was the day that his son, Mitt Romney, returned to Boston from his father's funeral in Michigan.

7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie on: April 18, 2014, 08:06:13 am
The Adventures of Hobo Orgy Guy and Blondie (....in progress)

Episode 25 (2x05) "Dogs Are A Lot More Resourceful Than You Give Them Credit For"

[Note: The structure of this episode is somewhat unique, as it consists of two sets of exposition.  In Winfield's bunker, Winfield is explaining to Hog the entire backstory of his own character, Seamus, Muon, the time machine, the Romney family, etc.  In the Xerox lab, Muon and Seamus are giving the same story to Blondie.  We assume that they're relaying almost identical stories, so we cut back and forth between them frequently.  We also cut to flashbacks quite a bit.

So because of this unique structure, it would get tedious to keep setting the scene again and again as you go back and forth between the Xerox lab and Winfield's bunker.  So for the rest of this episode, any time we're in Winfield's bunker, the text will be in red, and any time we're in the Xerox lab, the text will be in blue.  Any time we're in a flashback, the text will be in black.]

[We open on Blondie, Seamus, Muon2, and PiT.  Seamus, who also goes by "The Irishman", has just revealed to Blondie that his real name is Seamus Romney.]

Blondie: Seamus Romney?  I don't understand.  Is that supposed to mean something?

Seamus: It means that I was the dog of two time presidential candidate Mitt Romney.  Many years ago....long before he ever ran for any political office.

Blondie: I'm sorry.  I'm just a dog.  I don't know what you're talking about.

Muon2: Then we'll explain it to you.  The story begins in 1983.  I was a student at Brandeis University.  My thesis advisor, Prof. Diktor, had been doing some time travel research that he involved me in, but unfortunately, he passed away in a lab accident.  I attended the wake, and it was there that I met Mitt Romney, who was then a Vice President at Bain & Company.

January 1983, Prof. Diktor's wake

Mitt Romney: Mr. Muon?  My condolences on your loss.

Muon2: Thank you.  But.....*my* loss?  If you're here, at this wake, then I assume you knew Professor Diktor as well?

Mitt Romney: No, I'm afraid I didn't.  Or at least.....I only knew him by reputation.  Though I was hoping to arrange a meeting with him soon about his research, which I believe you've been involved with as well?

Muon2: Who are you?

Mitt Romney: My name's Mitt Romney, entrepreneur, husband, father, citizen, hunter of small, small varmints.  I'm a vice president of a management consulting firm, Bain & Company.  We've actually had our eye on Professor Diktor's research for some time now.

Muon2: Really?  You've had your eye on time travel research?  Why would a consulting firm--

Mitt Romney: Well, we have quite a few clients.  Some of them have some interest in scientific research.....especially research with medical applications.

Muon2: Medical applications?

Mitt Romney: Yes.  I'm no scientist, but I read the report on Professor Diktor's research.  This supposed "time travel" project looks like a dud--no offsense--that is....it looks like a dud as far as using it to travel through time.

Muon2: Well yes, for now.  Creating a working time machine is decades away, but the basic research shows promise.

Mitt Romney: Yes, but that's not what makes it commercially viable.  What I'm interested in is the side effects.  I understand that this research allows for the mass production of a rare isotope of uranium, that, when exposed to animal cells, has the potential to slow down the aging process.  It was the misuse of this treatment that led to Professor Diktor's death, was it not?

Muon2: How did you know that?  We'd tried to keep that under wraps.

But yes.  The uranium isotope, when incorporated into a chemical compound that the professor's collaborators were working on, can be processed into a drug we call UGrow1000.  It has the potential to slow the aging process, though Professor Diktor recklessly tried to test it on himself, with deadly results.

But my interest remains in using this uranium for my time travel research.

Mitt Romney: I understand.  However, Bain is involved with a number of drug companies, and we'd like to continue to research this UGrow, to see if it can be used to slow human aging.  We could arrange to set you up with a job--

Muon2: No, I'm afraid I must decline.  If I'm to remain in the field, I'd like to focus on the actual physics research, not commercial spinoff applications.

Mitt Romney: If you remain in the field?

Muon2: Well, I have been considering moving to Illinois, and getting involved in Republican Party politics there.

Mitt Romney: I see.  Well, I'm no Republican.  Not while Reagan/Bush are in office.  I'm an Independent during the time of Reagan/Bush.

But my father, he was a Republican governor of the state of Michigan.  I do have some contacts in the Republican Party.  If you really want to go into politics, I might be able to help you open some doors.  That is....if you're also interested in continuing your research on UGrow.

Muon2: I continued to do time travel research, and produced more UGrow.  While I still thought it was dangerous, I provided it to a chemical company that Bain was heavily invested in, so they could do further research on it.  All of this was kept secret, because of the delicate nature of the research.

Winfield: During this time, I was actually living in the Romney household in the Boston area.  I was, of course, only a toddler back then.  But both of my parents were live-in servants.  My father in particular had had a long relationship with the Romney family, and was a general "fixer" for the family, and close confidant of Mr. (at that time, not yet Gov.) Romney.

In any case, I obviously didn't know about any of this at the time, but Mr. Romney was agitating for faster development of the UGrow into a usable treatment for aging.  It would have been a tremendous breakthrough, and extremely lucrative.  He'd already been burned on some other biological research on tree height in Michigan that hadn't gone anywhere, and this was his big chance.  So he took a bold risk, and secretly went ahead with animal testing of the UGrow, by testing it on his own dog, Seamus.

Seamus: The UGrow did in fact slow my aging.  But it also made me......INTELLIGENT.

[Cue the "Secret of Nimh" "Intelligent" remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7sW0U7Iu30&list=PLD-DVXy18jTRLpA-UDT3kQPaHjQ84iWRN ]

Seamus: I could suddenly understand human speech.....and I could even speak myself.  But I sensed the extent to which the humans around me were using me, experimenting on me, treating me like a lab rat.  I feared what would happen to me if I spoke in front of any of the adult humans.

Winfield: Seamus was acting odd, and so Mr. Romney decided to personally drive him up to a canine behavioral specialist in Ontario.....Dr. Bieber.

Hog: Excuse me, did you say Dr. Bieber?

Winfield: Yes, funnily enough, she would later go on to have a nephew, who would turn out to be one of the most famous Canadians of all time: Justin.

Seamus: They were going to send me to Canada, to have me checked out, but I didn't know exactly what was going on, so I took a chance....

[And we flash back to the flashback from the pervious episode....]

Seamus: OK then, here's what I want you to do.  Pick up that binder, and bring it to me here in this cage, so I can skim through it quickly, before anyone else enters this room.

[Winfield stares at the binder that Mitt Romney just dropped onto the coffee table minutes ago.]

Seamus: You heard me.  Pick it up, and bring it to me.

[Winfield picks the binder up hesitantly, then slowly marches it over to Seamus's cage, before sliding it through the bars to reach him inside.  Remarkably, Seamus, despite being a dog, is able to thumb through it quickly, and reads through the contents of the binder.  He appears to be taken aback by what he sees.  And then we transition to....]

Seamus: What I saw in that binder astonished me.  It was list of potential female veterinarians that he planned to meet with, in the event that Dr. Bieber became unavailable.  It was a binder full of women!

[Blondie stares blankly back at Seamus, not understanding the "binders full of women" reference.

Seamus: Never mind.  That joke was actually pretty lame, and this is serious business.  No, in seriousness, this is what was in that binder: Romney, along with a small cabal of close confidants within Bain, was planning to develop a nationwide network of secret canine research facilities.  Their goal was to perfect the UGrow, to develop it to slow the aging process in humans.  But there were concerns about the reactions they'd seen in the early tests on me.  The new theory was that the drug might work better if they could induce motion sickness.  And so this nationwide network of canine tests involved plans to........I can barely say it......put dogs in cages on the roofs of cars, and then drive them at high speeds.

The first such test involved putting me on the roof of the Romney family car on the way to Ontario.  I couldn't believe it.  What kind of monster puts dogs on cars?

In any case, we did indeed make the drive to Canada the next day, but I purposely ate some food poisoning, and got diarrhea.  When Romney stopped the car, to clean up the mess, I ran off.

8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 18, 2014, 06:33:02 am
Bushie, seriously, why don't you want to go to a weight loss retreat camp? This is impossible to lose pounds by himself and this camp would definitrly help you.
Why don't you answer me?

Sorry, I was getting a shower for the job fair today.

I would love to go on the Biggest Loser Reality TV show.  I think it would do me a lot of good.  I don't know if I could stop my life for that long.

Do it. Bushie, you'd be a superstar!

As exploitative as reality TV can be, the mere existence of this thread suggests Bushie is clearly eager to be exploited. And, you know, they sometimes actually help people cut through their BS and motivational problems on that show.

Further, being a professional attention whore is pretty much the only job I'm convinced Bushie is capable of holding down on a long-term basis. Pyramid schemes, J.J. (RIP), Nigeria and CAD may come and go, but Update is here to stay.

The disastrous state of Bushie's life seems to have genuine value to people. If he can somehow turn that into actual money, then good for him. It's far more likely to work than any of his past ideas.

The paradox being that if a disastrous life brings him more money, then that risks making his life less disastrous, which threatens the supply of money.  It may be a no-win situation.

The only way out I can see is if he spends the money so poorly that it doesn't make his life any less disastrous.
9  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are there too many "checks and balances" in the US political system? on: April 18, 2014, 06:23:53 am
Just imagine the kind of damage the Gingrich revolution or the Tea Party could do if the political agenda was determined by them in the House, and the only thing stopping them was Harry Reid and a handful of Blue Dog Democrats.

I don't think that's such a bad thing. Someone like Gingrich may not have come to power if the US were under a parliamentary system. If he did, he would have ultimately been held accountable for his actions. It's one thing to hold a position, but it's quite another to actually enact it.

Are you sure? If it was Prime Minister Reagan he probably could have held power till the day he died, with no term limits and only popular support from the caucus required to stay in power. Even if they were to lose the next election, they have that power in the mean time to push their agenda. Our Prime Minister right now is slashing education funding, pawning off public assets, dismantling environmental protection laws, dismantling hate crime laws, reinstating knights and dames, violating Indonesian sovereignty, etc. etc. At least with your Republican House you have Obama's veto.

Reagan probably wouldn't have been "Reagan" under a parliamentary system.  If the US had the Australian constitutional system, then, for example, a Democratic parliamentary majority probably would have enacted universal health insurance in the 1960s or 70s, and we'd still have it today.

What I'm getting at is that since the Democrats are the party that's more interested in activist government on economic issues, their agenda suffers more in a system in which there are many veto points.  The American constitutional order is "conservative" in the sense that it tends to conserve the status quo.  Big social programs are hard to pass.  So if the USA had a parliamentary system, then I imagine that the political spectrum would be shifted a bit to the left of where it is now, at least on economic issues.

Of course, there are all sorts of other confounding issues, like the fact that individual members of Congress act as free agents in a way that doesn't happen in most parliamentary systems, where things are run in a much more top down manner.  Legislative power is incredibly diffuse in the US.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: TX-PrimR: PPP: Cruz cruisin' at home on: April 18, 2014, 02:02:55 am
Ted Cruz does unsurprisingly very well, however it's quite surprising to see Rick Perry (considering his rather strong approval rating in Texas at the moment) and Marco Rubio (considering 38% of Texas' population are latinos) together don't poll more than a bland 14%.

Why would the high proportion of Mexican Americans in Texas (very very few of whom ever vote in GOP primaries) mean a strong result for Cuban-American Rubio?  Especially when their own homestate Senator, who's leading this poll, is also Cuban-American?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: TX-PrimR: PPP: Cruz cruisin' at home on: April 18, 2014, 02:00:54 am
The post has a typo, it's 10% for Huckabee.

Correct.  The actual results are:

Cruz- 25%
Bush- 14%
Huckabee- 10%
Paul- 10%
Perry- 10%
Christie- 5%
Ryan- 5%
Jindal- 4%
Rubio- 4%
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 18, 2014, 12:39:53 am
Bushie, did you ever do any of these things that you talked about doing in 2011, to improve your weight?

Wow Bushie's cooking skills have regressed severely it seems! Good find, MM.

Here's more of what he wrote in that same post three years ago:


As for the weight, I do plan to get it down, but the only thing I can attribute to the lack of action in the past nine months is the stress I've been under, whether self-inflicted or not.  I've been eating a lot of comfort food and that's been killing my waist line.  Right now, I'm sitting at about 270 lbs which is about 5-10 pounds higher than this time last year before all this trouble started.  I have a plan that I'm making out this week that will put me down closer to 230 lbs by my 30th birthday next April.  The biggest thing is I'm going to cut out the cokes, except for a very rare occasion.  I'm going to switch to water and sugar-free kool-aid and lemonade and iced tea.  I'm also going to start cooking.  I know how to cook a little bit, and I'm going to try to get my mother and grandmother to teach me more dishes.  Right now, my specialty is spaghetti.  I can fix spaghetti pretty well without too much trouble.  I can also fix eggs and bacon (which I'm also going to cut down on) and macaroni and cheese (who doesn't?).

And how did your spaghetti-making skills regress in the past three years?
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Elizabeth Warren looking more like a candidate? on: April 18, 2014, 12:33:32 am
Elizabeth Warren breathed oxygen today. I think she's running. I mean, if she wasn't, why even bother?

This is my thought as well.  So she wrote a book and she criticized Ted Cruz.  That means she's running for president?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's cabinet on: April 18, 2014, 12:04:35 am
Samantha Power isn't happening for obvious reasons.  Wesley Clark won't happen either, since he's kind of old and kind of crazy.

More likely prospects for State would be folks like Tom Donilon and Jim Steinberg, and Ashton Carter or Michele Flournoy for Defense.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 17, 2014, 11:48:39 pm
Bushie, when was the last time you went to that dietician?  A year ago?
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 17, 2014, 08:48:35 pm
Bushie I seriously doubt you have skin cancer, you never go outside...

This spot has been there for a couple years so it may be something that developed from my childhood.  It may not be skin cancer, but it still needs to be looked at.

Wait, what?  If you have a spot on your elbow that's been there for several years, why are you suddenly worried about it now?  Is it growing or something?
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 17, 2014, 07:31:58 pm
The job search took a bit of a disappointing turn today, but not to worry.  I've already got two job fairs in Oklahoma City next week on Wednesday and Thursday.  I've also got several applications in the frying pan right now.  Tomorrow, I am going to call a temp agency recruiter in Oklahoma and get word about a possible CAD interview in Oklahoma City next week and he is also starting to work on other office jobs to at least get me working and tide me over until such time as I can get a CAD job.  I've also got eyes and ears open in Tulsa.  I've got two busy weekends coming up the rest of the month.  I'm also going to call the doctor in the morning and try to get an appointment with him for one day next week. I've got a spot on my left elbow (and developing on my right elbow) that I need to get checked out, plus I've been having other more personal problems that I need to get checked out.

This doesn't sound too good...

To be true, I'm a little concerned about both issues.

How does a spot on your left elbow grow a cousin on your right elbow?  Is it contagious from one elbow to the other?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: RunBenRun.org (Carson) raises $4 Million, Ready for Hillary, $1.7 Million on: April 17, 2014, 07:12:51 pm
John Bolton has two different Super PACs, and they collectively raised a total of $1.8 million in the first quarter of 2014:


Ready for Hillary needs to work on its readiness.

WHO the hell is giving money for a John Bolton presidential bid? Shocked

That's like heavily investing in a proposed reboot of Ask Jeeves.

Technically, they're giving money to his PAC, which notionally exists for the purpose of distributing $ to hawkish GOP candidates in the midterms.  But in reality, a good deal of the infrastructure that he's building up for this will be rolled over into his presumed presidential campaign.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 17, 2014, 09:50:50 am
Whoever deleted them needs to be severely punished.

Even Lief has turned against Bushie now.  RIP Bushie.  Sad
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Institute of Comedy on: April 17, 2014, 03:34:11 am
killing has nothing to do with sex. Religions messed up in the minds of people what Judging is. They turned it into condemning. This is godly judging. King James Bible Luke 7:43: 40 - 43.And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
How is man’s legal system run? Not that way, I can assure you.
Had people know that Jesus was God with blood in him for a time people would not have done what they did to him.  People unknowingly repeating the processes to others over and over calling it good.

The comedy comes from which thread he posted this in.

Compare that to fictional kobidobidog:

kobidobidog: Ah, so you can talk as a human being can....like a canine Mr. Ed?  There's no reason to try to imitate human beings.  We are just animals like you.  I fear that if you try to speak like a human, then you're fighting a war against the Zoo.  But Jesus who is God sees that we are all animals, and--

Apparently, I didn't make the fictional version weird enough.
21  Questions and Answers / Presidential Election Process / Re: Major campaign underway to nullify Electoral College on: April 17, 2014, 03:08:46 am
Is Bush 2000 the only reason it's only Democratic states signing on? Or is there some kind of status quo conservatism involved?

Bush 2000 is most likely the biggest reason for the partisan divide.  But I do think there's a bit of an ideological division as well.  Republicans in general seem to be more wedded to the old constitutional order, with many movement conservatives even favoring the repeal of the 17th Amendment.  They're more likely to think that something is gained via the indirect nature of American democracy.  And they're more likely to favor a system that treats the states as states.  Democrats seem more likely to be open to experimenting with more modern electoral innovations.

For example, even if you showed them that it would make absolutely no difference in terms of the relative strengths of the two major parties, I bet you'd be able to get more Democrats than Republicans in favor of something like IRV.
22  Questions and Answers / Presidential Election Process / Re: Major campaign underway to nullify Electoral College on: April 17, 2014, 02:46:29 am
The four most populous states where this hasn't yet been enacted are now TX, FL, PA, and OH.  If it passed in all four states, then it would reach 270, and would go into effect.  So in principle, it's "only" four states away from passage now, if the big ones were to do it.

But I'm not holding my breath on that.  Tongue
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: RunBenRun.org (Carson) raises $4 Million, Ready for Hillary, $1.7 Million on: April 17, 2014, 12:30:40 am
Also, Carson has another PAC devoted to Obamacare repeal/replace, which has raised $1.2 million.  That's separate from the money raised by runbenrun.org:

24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: RunBenRun.org (Carson) raises $4 Million, Ready for Hillary, $1.7 Million on: April 17, 2014, 12:27:28 am
John Bolton has two different Super PACs, and they collectively raised a total of $1.8 million in the first quarter of 2014:


Ready for Hillary needs to work on its readiness.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Fox News nat.: Clinton leads Christie 50-42%, leads Bush & Paul 51-42% on: April 16, 2014, 11:12:39 pm
fav / unfav %

Clinton 49/45% for +4%
Christie 36/38% for -2%
Paul 32/34% for -2%
Bush 32/40% for -8%
Cruz 23/31% for -8%

Is Bush too liberal, too conservative, or about right?
too liberal 15%
too conservative 23%
about right 35%

Is Clinton too liberal, too conservative, or about right?
too liberal 39%
too conservative 4%
about right 46%

Is Christie too liberal, too conservative, or about right?
too liberal 16%
too conservative 18%
about right 41%

Is the following person honest and trustworthy? (yes / no %)

Bush 49/33% for +16%
Clinton 54/42% for +12%
Christie 41/41% for +/-0
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