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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update) on: Today at 10:27:17 am
but im guessing it is something like his grandmother's second cousin's husband's godson came down with appendicitis.

Given the interbreeding in Oklahoma, the grandmother's second cousin's husband's godson could be Bushie himself!
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Was Atlas less partisan in the past? on: Today at 08:34:00 am
2006: This was the era when Moderate Heroism was in vogue and many Democrats thought that John McCain would be the next Teddy Roosevelt or some sh*t and would win in 2008 in a landslide against Hillary Clinton, who the nation would see for the super liberal bitter hack she was.

Enough said.

Though to be fair, there were also those who thought that Mark Warner would win in 2008.  So yeah there's that.

This thread is fun in retrospect:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=39456.0
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz on ISIS, and the split among GOP hawks on: Today at 08:09:25 am
Here's a ~3.5 minute discussion of this split on the right, discussed back in 2011:

http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/3105?in=13:03&out=16:38

Basically, the split is over whether there's hope for democracy promotion in the Muslim world.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Ted Cruz on ISIS, and the split among GOP hawks on: Today at 07:50:16 am
Peter Beinart has a good column here on the split between McCain/Graham on the one hand, and Ted Cruz on the other, re: attacking ISIS.  Both want to do it, but McCain and Graham are using Wilsonian arguments in the mold of GW Bush, while Cruz comes at it as a Jacksonian.  Beinart describes Cruz's foreign policy ideology as the "worst of both worlds" between McCain-style uber-hawkishness and Ron Paul-esque non-interventionism:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/how-to-defeat-isis-according-to-ted-cruz/380500/

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Most commentators who share Cruz’s skepticism about arming the rebels are skeptical of a bombing campaign too, arguing that it won’t do much good on the ground. Cruz doesn’t care. He wants to pulverize Syria from the air without any effort at political change on the ground. America’s strategy against ISIS, he insists, should not be “laden with impractical contingencies, such as resolving the Syrian civil war.”

Cruz is equally indifferent to the politics of Iraq. McCain and Graham want to leverage America’s renewed military involvement there to create a government in Baghdad inclusive enough to lure Sunnis away from ISIS. Cruz thinks that’s a waste of time. In an interview with Sean Hannity, he mocked Dempsey for saying that to defeat ISIS “we need to see political reconciliation. We need to change the conditions on the ground so people are not susceptible to extremism.” Cruz was incredulous. “Look,” he told Hannity, “it’s not our job to be social workers in Iraq and put them all on expanded Medicaid.”

Like George W. Bush before them, McCain and Graham are militaristic optimists. They want America to bomb and arm its way toward a free, pro-American Middle East. Cruz is a militaristic pessimist. He mocks the Obama administration’s effort to foster reconciliation “between Sunnis and Shiites in Baghdad” because “the Sunnis and Shiites have been engaged in a sectarian civil war since 632.” Notably absent from his rhetoric is the Bush-like claim that Muslims harbor the same desire for liberty as everyone else. Instead of mentioning that most of ISIS’s victims have been fellow Muslims, Cruz frames America’s conflict in the language of religious war. “ISIS right now is the face of evil. They’re crucifying Christians, they’re persecuting Christians,” he told Hannity.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you could bring one former poster, who would that be? on: September 19, 2014, 11:16:02 pm
I also wish The Vorlon would post more, but in his 2004 glory.  He still posts occasionally, but not so much on polling anymore.  His 2004 posts on polling were always entertaining:

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These are Zogby's INTERNET polls..

Kerry takes big leads in Washington, Oregon and Pennsylvania, and a small one in Ohio.

Bush has a big lead in West Virginia, Tennesse has shifted 18% in one month and is now tied, Kerry by 7% in Florida.. etc...

Somehow, I just can't seem to take these things seriously... Maybe it's just me.. ??

The fact that I personally voted in 6 different states while living in Canada seems to suggest there may be "some" validation problems Smiley

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Unfortunately, most here are probably too young to understand a "Miss Cleo" reference.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which individuals' endorsements would be helpful to the GOP candidates? on: September 19, 2014, 11:10:00 pm
Mike Naso
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7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NBC: No Bridgegate Christie Links Found Yet on: September 19, 2014, 11:09:28 pm
Weigel actually thinks Bridgeghazi is a net plus for Christie's chances at the nomination:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/09/19/chris_christie_better_than_ever.html

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My only argument about any of this: Christie is fundamentally better off because Bridgegate happened. Before the story, Christie was assumed to not just the 2016 Republican frontrunner but a beltway-approved, Morning Joe-feted savior of the Republican Party. You can look at the Judicial Network ads that follow Christie along every trip to South Carolina to see how that plays.

The scandal removed Christie from that position, and bestowed a new one upon him. He was now, like Scott Walker and like Rick Perry (and Richard Nixon, etc and etc) a Republican trying to do his job before being attacked by the thuggish, criminalizing Democrats. He was no longer an MSNBC morning hero; he was the subject of hundreds of segments that linked him to corruption. Christie discovered the right's enemies, and now he's back, attacking state Democrats who keep investigating him as "people who are addicted to MSNBC and the front page of your papers."

Sounds like BS to me. Christie consistently led in the GOP primary polls post-re election but pre-bridgegate, he also performed far better than any other Republican against Hillary in this timeframe. At this point, his numbers both in the primary and the general election have been unremarkable. Regardless of whether or not Bridgegate has lasting consequences (and despite the media's rumor mill, this has yet to be confirmed), the fact that it happened at all was a huge blow to Christie's momentum coming off his landslide win.

Regarding the primary polling….I just don't think it means much of anything at this early stage.  Ordinary voters aren't really engaged, and a few recent positive or negative news cycles for a candidate can shift the numbers up and down, without it having any lasting effects.

What matters far more is support among party elites (broadly defined).  On that score, I think Bridgeghazi hurt Christie with a certain class of elites, but I kind of agree with Weigel that it may also have *gained* him some support among a different set of elites (the latter being ideologically more to the right than the former group).  Whether that actually turns into a net plus in the end is unclear.

Either way, I would not fixate too much on current polls.  You have to project forward a year or more and predict how this stuff will play when it's more in the rearview mirror.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NBC: No Bridgegate Christie Links Found Yet on: September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 pm
Weigel actually thinks Bridgeghazi is a net plus for Christie's chances at the nomination:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/09/19/chris_christie_better_than_ever.html

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My only argument about any of this: Christie is fundamentally better off because Bridgegate happened. Before the story, Christie was assumed to not just the 2016 Republican frontrunner but a beltway-approved, Morning Joe-feted savior of the Republican Party. You can look at the Judicial Network ads that follow Christie along every trip to South Carolina to see how that plays.

The scandal removed Christie from that position, and bestowed a new one upon him. He was now, like Scott Walker and like Rick Perry (and Richard Nixon, etc and etc) a Republican trying to do his job before being attacked by the thuggish, criminalizing Democrats. He was no longer an MSNBC morning hero; he was the subject of hundreds of segments that linked him to corruption. Christie discovered the right's enemies, and now he's back, attacking state Democrats who keep investigating him as "people who are addicted to MSNBC and the front page of your papers."
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: TOEFL Certificates And IELTS Certificates Available on: September 19, 2014, 09:27:46 pm
wow this sounds very legitimate please tell me more!

oh wait you can't because i just muted you Sad

He/she's on mod review, not muted.  And you're a moderator, so you can still read any posts that he/she submits for moderation.


#buzzkill

Hey, throwing cold water on people's jokes is fun.  I may be killing your buzz, but I'm….uh…..reviving my own?
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you could bring one former poster, who would that be? on: September 19, 2014, 07:56:14 pm
Lunar
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: September 19, 2014, 07:55:09 pm
Kasich sounds uninterested in another presidential run:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/sep/19/is-kasich-eyeing--presidential-contest/

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“Honestly, I just don’t see it. I tried it once. You come with me. You can go with me out to Iowa. You wouldn’t believe it. You’d never go to Iowa again ... I don’t expect anything. I don’t even think about it.”

While Kasich is known to say some outrageous things, if he was going to run for president, he wouldn’t take shots at Iowa, a state with a key early caucus, and that he’s already tried it with the assumption it wasn’t something he wants to repeat.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders backs Obama on ISIS on: September 19, 2014, 02:58:44 am
I'm a little confused here. It looks like Sanders was one of 22 nays on this.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00270

He was for it before he was against it?
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Paul slams plan to arm Syrian moderates on: September 18, 2014, 11:27:48 pm
Btw....

Klobuchar, Portman, and Rubio all voted yes on arming Syrian rebels, while Cruz, Gillibrand, Paul, Sanders, and Warren voted no:

link
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update) on: September 18, 2014, 08:57:08 pm
I'm still confused about how not having been to the store "since late last night" meant that you had nothing to eat for lunch.  What did you buy at the store?
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: September 18, 2014, 08:54:34 pm
Christie says he'll decide on whether to run early in 2015:

http://www.app.com/story/news/politics/new-jersey/chris-christie/2014/09/18/chris-christie-president-run/15831007/

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“That’s all stuff for me to consider, to take into account,” Christie said when asked at a news conference Thursday if his recent trips would have an affect on his decision. “It affects it in the sense that it gives me a window into … what that would be like. And it gives my family a window into what that would be like. And so that will all wind up, I believe, affecting the decision that we make come the beginning of next year.”
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kaine to "pre-endorse" Hillary Clinton…..a shameless bid for VP consideration? on: September 18, 2014, 08:49:56 pm
*bump*

He's now set to host a fundraiser for the Ready for Hillary PAC:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/tim-kaine-hillary-clinton-fundraiser-111076.html?hp=r8

Sure, he's not the only one to do this, but most sitting Democratic senators are not making this kind of effort (yet).  This definitely seems like a play to curry favor with Clinton, whether or not it's to become VP.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Paul slams plan to arm Syrian moderates on: September 18, 2014, 08:45:44 pm
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/rand-paul-syria-isil-111113.html?hp=l10

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Sen. Rand Paul gave an impassioned speech to a mostly empty Senate chamber Thursday decrying the “illegal” and “unconstitutional” congressional plan to give President Barack Obama the authority to arm Syrian rebels as part of a government funding bill.

The Kentucky Republican argued that arming the moderate Syrian rebels to fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant will lead only to more chaos in the Middle East and that those labeled “moderates” are, in fact, likely enemies of Israel and, potentially, the United States.

And Paul vowed to never send American soldiers into the Middle East — a promise sure to be remembered if he decides to run for president in 2016.

In other Paul news, he's been blasting the GOP for their position on voter access laws:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/rand-paul-republicans-minorities-voting-111129.html

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The Kentucky Republican, a likely presidential candidate, has long argued that drug laws disproportionately affect minorities and has also championed restoring voting rights for some non-violent felons. He laid out those views in a speech at the Liberty PAC conference, a gathering tied to his father, libertarian icon Ron Paul.

“So many times, Republicans are seen as this party of, ‘We don’t want black people to vote because they’re voting Democrat, we don’t want Hispanic people to vote because they’re voting Democrat,’” he said. “We wonder why the Republican Party is so small. Why don’t we be the party that’s for people voting, for voting rights?”
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Christie resists climate change pact on: September 18, 2014, 08:38:50 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/us/politics/with-eye-on-2016-christie-resists-climate-change-plan-for-new-jersey.html?_r=0

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As Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey explores a 2016 presidential campaign, he is under growing pressure from his State Legislature to rejoin a regional cap-and-trade program that would limit New Jersey’s carbon emissions — and likely hurt his chances for the Republican nomination.

Mr. Christie, who withdrew from the program in 2011 as he first considered running for president in 2012, remains adamant that New Jersey not participate in the nine-state Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, even though the majority of state legislators say it would be in New Jersey’s economic and legal interests. Business groups remain divided on the plan. “No, I would not think of rejoining it,” Mr. Christie told reporters during a recent trip to Mexico. “I think it’s a completely useless plan.”
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update) on: September 18, 2014, 08:32:28 pm
I haven't been to the store since late last night, so I didn't have anything

Since late last night?  So you ate everything you got from the store in less than 24 hours?
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence/opebo's banning correlation on: September 18, 2014, 07:55:14 am
Me taking a poo three days ago/opebo's banning correlation?

Like the issue of Scottish independence, your taking a poo three days ago is a matter for the Scottish electorate to decide, and I don't really feel qualified to comment on the wisdom of such an action.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who "won" each cycle? on: September 18, 2014, 05:12:08 am
I'd say Dems won 1998, but that's just me.

They definitely beat expectations.  Going into election day, everyone expected the GOP to gain at least some seats in both Houses.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Bernie Sanders "singing" on: September 17, 2014, 06:20:10 pm
This must be heard to be believed.  Sanders going "Shatner" back in the 1980s:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/09/17/bernie-sanders-singing-this-land-is-my-land-will-change-your-life/
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Caption Competition thread on: September 17, 2014, 04:46:40 pm


Joe Biden and John Kerry think they can dig up Jimmy Hoffa.

Biden isn't in that picture.  We've been over this about 3 times in this thread.  Tongue

24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Caption Competition thread on: September 17, 2014, 10:24:17 am
"Don't worry, Joe.  Henry has it all worked out.  They'll never find her down there.  Hell, they don't even notice she's missing right now."

Joe?


Sorry, Jim...

…I'm a doctor, not a spellchecker.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: hearts vs spades on: September 17, 2014, 09:20:49 am
Sheepshead is better than both.

#wisconsinnative
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