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101  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN MODS: one of your forum members is demanding that others commit suicide on: August 04, 2016, 04:02:19 am
Didn't the forum retire infraction points at some time?  I don't know who suggested bringing them back, but I do hope they retire themselves from life.

Infraction points are retired, however posts can still be infracted--meaning that the post gets deleted, and the offending post is listed on the poster's record....so that if someone suggests mod review or a ban or something, we can go look at what offending posts someone has made that might call for such a thing.
102  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas forum leaderboard on: August 04, 2016, 03:51:42 am
great day for the Atlas Forum imo

No. No it's not.

If it really bothers you that much, you can always delete a bunch of old posts until you're outside the top 10.  Though that'll probably just delay the inevitable.
103  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN MODS: one of your forum members is demanding that others commit suicide on: August 04, 2016, 03:49:52 am
When they banned "Kill yourself", I said nothing because I didn't say that to anyone. When they banned DIAF, I didn't say anything because I didn't insult anyone that way. When they banned "geez, you are an ignoramus facist", there was no one left because Forum had become Stormfront 2.0 and Classic Conservative was a Mod Admin.

Wait... are you implying that banning stuff like "kill yourself" is a tantamount to the Atlas becoming Stormfrint 2.0. I'm sorry, but I just can't see anything with this. Logically, if "kill yourself" is a no-no, then "deport all Jew$" would be a no-no as well.

i'd sooner ban the latter language than the former.

But in your earlier post, it sounded like you were relating the two, as if the freedom to tell other posters to kill themselves helped the forum because it made bad posters more miserable or something:

We need to have broad limits to chastise and castigate the MK's, Dirks, Classic Conservatives, CCSF's, and Krazens of the world to allow the marketplace of ideas and common decency rule rather than mods finally react (or overreact) to a single given post or three. And this type of limitation is just the beginning.

Can't say that I see the logic of that.  People are free to tell those people you named that they're bad posters, or that their ideas are terrible.  How does adding "kill yourself" to the list of insults help anything?

In any case, with regard to forum policy, yeah, don't tell other posters to kill themselves.  If you do, then yes, the post will be infracted.  But no, it doesn't mean an insta-ban, as evidenced by the fact that Cory is still here.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Rep. Hanna's 1st sitting Repub in Congress to endorse Clint on: August 03, 2016, 06:32:56 pm
Most of the #NeverTrump Republicans continue to be vague about who exactly they *will* vote for in November, though (by definition) they've ruled out Trump, and most seem to have ruled out Clinton.  Will be interesting to see how many still haven't commented on that by election day (which means a secret vote for Clinton is a strong possibility) vs. how many say they'll write in a name vs. how many (if any) publicly endorse Johnson.

Who is the strongest bet to publicly endorse Johnson?  Justin Amash?
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Rep. Hanna's 1st sitting Repub in Congress to endorse Clint on: August 03, 2016, 05:45:56 pm
Robert Mann
‏@RTMannJr
Former RNC chair Marc Racicot tells MSNBC he will not vote for Donald Trump.

He already said that a month ago:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=230807.msg5144207#msg5144207
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Meg Whitman endorses Hillary on: August 03, 2016, 06:46:54 am
I wouldn't be surprised on really important endorsement yet to come.

Does that mean you've given up on waiting for the #NeverTrumpers to endorse Trump?:

To be fair, there are always non-endorsers. Chafee refused to support Bush in 2004, Boren refused to support Obama in 2008.

Usually just a max of one or two major officeholders per election though.

That's true, but I wonder how many of "never Trump" crowd would eventually fall in line if he's nominated: "well yes, I had some doubts but the most important thing now is to unite and prevent Obama's third term".

Tongue
107  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / MOVED: U.S. Sent Cash to Iran as Americans Were Freed on: August 03, 2016, 02:17:58 am
This topic has been moved to U.S. General Discussion.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=242425.0
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Trump refuse to concede? on: August 03, 2016, 02:17:26 am
What are the implications if Trump loses, openly refuses to concede, and calls the elections rigged?

Assuming that it isn't a Bush v. Gore type situation, and Clinton's victory is pretty unambiguous...

The first thing that would happen is that Republican elites (including many who were strongly advocating for him in the campaign) would turn on him, blame him for losing a winnable election, and call him an idiot for not conceding.  But the more interesting question is what do conservative media rabble rousers like Limbaugh and Hannity do?  Do they go all in supporting Trump's claims of fraud, or do they turn on him and blame him for losing because he wasn't a "real conservative"?

Ha, looks like Hannity is already pushing #Rigged:

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/760671639520501760

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Question of the Day: In light of @realDonaldTrump's comments, do you think the general election could be rigged? Weigh in using #Hannity.

Still, while talk radio is likely to endorse #Rigged before the election, I still think it's an open question as to how much they'll still be talking about that once the election is over, and how much they'll pivot to "Trump blew the election because he wasn't conservative enough".
109  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: So, if the RNC wants to DUMP TRUMP, how can they do it at this late stage? on: August 03, 2016, 01:56:17 am
Have all the Republican electors agree not to vote for him in the electoral college.
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Rep. Hanna's 1st sitting Repub in Congress to endorse Clint on: August 03, 2016, 01:42:45 am
Looks like Sanford switched a few weeks ago from #NeverTrump to #Ihaven'tdecidedyet:

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So we have at least a couple of formerly #NeverTrump folks who switched to undecided, but that's more than offset by the increase in #NeverTrump GOP politicos who've been added to the list in recent weeks.  I'm still not aware of a single remotely prominent person who previously said that they wouldn't vote for Trump in the GE who is now supporting him.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Obama: Trump is "unfit to serve", GOP needs to drop him on: August 03, 2016, 01:36:27 am
Well, he's completely right.  I don't agree with Obama on a lot of issues, but Trump is starting to transcend political ideology.  He's saying things that are just downright mean and offensive, and there has to be a point where - if he crosses a certain line - there's no way a thinking, compassionate, tolerant Republican can continue to be okay with him speaking for our party.  For me, that point came long ago, but I'm legitimately scared that for people like Seriously? and Ljube there's not anything that Trump could say or do to lose their support, and that's literally cultish.

Then why haven't more Republicans disavowed him? If "real" Republicans hate Trump, then there should be no fear of electoral consequences from explicitly rejecting him. Other than Mark Kirk, no Republican who is participating in any kind of an election this year has dared to pull rank.

Bob Dold, Charlie Dent, and Justin Amash are all running for re-election this year and are all #NEVERTRUMP. Yeah, I know the last two are in uncompetitive districts, but they are still "participating in any kind of an election this year".

Carlos Curbelo, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and David Valadao are also running for reelection this year, and are also #NeverTrump, AFAIK.

EDIT: Of course, there are plenty of other Republican politicians currently in office who have failed to endorse Trump, not even giving an "I support the nominee" type statement.  I think by my last count, there are something like 10 or 11 sitting Republican Senators in that category, so ~20% of the Senate Republican caucus.  I think it's similar in the House, but I haven't done an exhaustive count there.  But the majority of these folks who haven't endorsed Trump don't quite qualify as #NeverTrump, because they're holding open the possibility that Trump will improve enough to eventually get their support.  E.g., Pat Toomey is currently not supporting Trump, but hasn't ruled out the possibility of supporting him at some point in the future.
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / MOVED: What is the most destructive force on the right? on: August 03, 2016, 01:22:59 am
This topic has been moved to Political Debate.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=242418.0
113  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of egalitt on: August 03, 2016, 12:52:46 am
Has to be a sock, and I don't throw around that accusation a lot.

Why does he have to be a sock?  Is every troll-ish poster a sock account of a previous poster?

In any case, as far as I can tell, he's telling the truth about posting from Russia.
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will any other #NeverTrump Republican end up endorsing Clinton? on: August 02, 2016, 11:22:22 pm
As most of us know, Meg Whitman and Hanna have both endorsed Clinton. Most other #NeverTrump Republicans have refused to endorse either candidate. Between now and November, will any other #NeverTrump Republican end up endorsing Clinton?

Whitman doesn’t currently hold any political office.  If we’re counting Republicans who don’t currently hold any political office, then plenty of others have already endorsed Clinton, including Arne Carlson, Larry Pressler, Brent Scowcroft, and Hank Paulson.

And in fact, as I noted in the #NeverTrump thread, when Carson endorsed Clinton, he said that he thought Trump was mentally ill, and when Pressler endorsed her, he compared Trump supporters to Nazis:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=230807.msg5178231#msg5178231
115  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Rep. Hanna's 1st sitting Repub in Congress to endorse Clint on: August 02, 2016, 10:01:35 pm
A Republican strategist who's advising candidates in swing districts is urging candidates to distance themselves from Trump, potentially going as far as un-endorsing him:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/donald-trump-gop.html

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Liesl Hickey, a Republican strategist who led the party’s defense of its majority in the House of Representatives in 2014, said lawmakers should feel liberated to split with Mr. Trump if their survival depended on it.

Ms. Hickey has quietly circulated a battle plan to Republican leaders and vulnerable members of Congress, calling for a sharpened focus on winning over wavering Republicans, moderates and women — even if that means withdrawing support from Mr. Trump.

“Even if you were with Trump before, it doesn’t mean that now you necessarily need to stay with him,” she said.

Ms. Hickey, who has worked extensively with Republicans in swing districts, said the urgent imperative for many of them was “getting away from the national message.” She added, “Everybody who hasn’t fully kicked off their campaigns yet should be encouraged to do this.”
116  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump tells @PhilipRucker he won't support Paul Ryan, John McCain in primaries on: August 02, 2016, 07:33:22 pm
Trump didn't simply decline to endorse in the Arizona primary.  He said that he's not endorsing McCain because McCain hasn't done enough for veterans:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan-john-mccain-endorse-primaries/index.html?SR=twtsr08002trumppaulryan

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"I like Paul, but these are horrible times for our country. We need very strong leadership. We need very, very strong leadership. And I'm just not quite there yet. I'm not quite there yet," Trump said of Ryan.

As for McCain -- a former naval aviator who was shot down and tortured during the Vietnam War -- Trump said he has "never been there with John McCain because I've always felt that he should have done a much better job for the vets."
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Rep. Hanna's 1st sitting Repub in Congress to endorse Clint on: August 02, 2016, 07:02:55 pm

I've added him to the list in the OP.
118  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of the Universe on: August 02, 2016, 08:08:23 am
I don't like the whole exploding stars, black holes thing. Lean HP.

Black holes are the best.  How can anyone dislike them?

Speaking of black holes, Section 4.2 of this paper is fantastic, especially the picture on page 14.
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #NeverTrump GOP endorsements LATEST: Carlson,Pressler,Scowcroft,Paulson endorse Clinton on: August 02, 2016, 08:00:02 am

I think that makes him the first #NeverTrump Republican currently in Congress to endorse Clinton.  The others who've done it are all former officials who are now out of politics.  The other #NeverTrumpers still in office are mostly talking about writing in a name, or have flirted with the idea of voting third party.
120  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of the Universe on: August 02, 2016, 01:02:35 am
Not as cool as the Star Trek universe.
121  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: If you could make one change to reduce partisan gridlock what would it be? on: August 02, 2016, 01:01:12 am
Eliminate primaries and have party nominees chosen in smoke-filled rooms.  Members of Congress would thus no longer fear straying from ideological orthodoxy in a way that would invite a primary challenge.
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Trump refuse to concede? on: August 02, 2016, 12:17:22 am
What are the implications if Trump loses, openly refuses to concede, and calls the elections rigged?

Assuming that it isn't a Bush v. Gore type situation, and Clinton's victory is pretty unambiguous...

The first thing that would happen is that Republican elites (including many who were strongly advocating for him in the campaign) would turn on him, blame him for losing a winnable election, and call him an idiot for not conceding.  But the more interesting question is what do conservative media rabble rousers like Limbaugh and Hannity do?  Do they go all in supporting Trump's claims of fraud, or do they turn on him and blame him for losing because he wasn't a "real conservative"?
123  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Trump refuse to concede? on: August 02, 2016, 12:03:43 am
Trump says he’s afraid the election will be “rigged” and also calls Hillary Clinton the devil:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/02/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-the-devil-and-suggests-election-will-be-rigged?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Donald Trump has claimed that there is a possibility of the US presidential election being “rigged” as he tried to divert attention away from a disastrous week for his campaign by also labelling his rival Hillary Clinton as “the devil” and praising the primary opponent of Republican speaker Paul Ryan.
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At a campaign town hall in Columbus, Ohio, Trump said he feared that the election would be “rigged,” in an unprecedented statement for a major party nominee in modern history.

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged, I have to be honest,” he told the crowd.

He did not elaborate but later repeated the charge on Monday night with Sean Hannity on Fox News, saying: “November 8th, we’d better be careful, because that election is going to be rigged. And I hope the Republicans are watching closely or it’s going to be taken away from us.”
124  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump praises Paul Ryan's primary challenger on: August 01, 2016, 10:35:41 pm
Charlie Sykes spends at least an hour a day bashing Trump on local AM radio.

But Mark Belling is on the Trump Train now, isn't he?  So conservative talk radio in SE Wisconsin isn't uniformly against him, like it was in the primary?
125  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Trump praises Paul Ryan's primary challenger on: August 01, 2016, 10:25:18 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-paul-ryan-paul-nehlen-election-2016/

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Donald Trump on Monday offered very public praise for a political candidate vying to unseat one of the top Republicans in Washington -- House Speaker Paul Ryan.

Trump, who is facing an onslaught of criticism from Ryan and other top Republicans for his comments about the Muslim family of a deceased US soldier, thanked Ryan's Republican primary challenger, Paul Nehlen, on Twitter Monday for his "kind words."

"Thanks to @pnehlen for your kinds words, very much appreciated," the Republican presidential nominee tweeted, in what amounts to an extraordinary show of discord between two of the most prominent faces of the Republican Party.
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