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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: November 27, 2014, 02:53:12 am
Real median household income is still considerably lower than it was prior to the Recession. Things are slowly improving, but the average household (well, the median household, but you get the expression) is still poorer that it was before the crisis:

The Dems could try to argue that the recession would've been much worse without the stimulus etc (but that's old news so I doubt it would get them many votes) but trying to spin the current situation as a time of prosperity for most people would not go over well.

You're right about the energy boom, but can Obama really be credited with that? To be fair, no President can (or at least, no President should) be directly credited with economic developments of this nature but many people perceive Obama as an anti-oil/gas guy and a Dem advertising campaign stressing the energy boom probably wouldn't work too well since the don't really have any specific policies to attribute the boom to and it'd be pretty hard for them to beat the GOP at their own game in regard to energy.

Yeah, that's the status quo argument that's been getting used for years and is why Democrats are still getting hammered. Right-wing policies drove the country off of a cliff. The argument shouldn't be "is the economy better in every metric than it was before the Recession started?"; it should be "How much better is the economy now when compared to where it was after conservatives ran it off a cliff?".

Because while the economy is growing, the lower and middle classes aren't feeling it.  Most of the growth is happening to the already very wealthy.

Wages are stagnant and most of the new jobs are poor, low paying ones.  Saying that the economy's doing well would be pretty insensitive.

I'm going to say something, and before I get attacked, understand that I'm a white Southern working-class male who's 26 and still have yet to complete my Bachelor's, so everyone will hopefully withhold their own privilege when/if disagreeing.

That narrative (the "we're growing but people aren't feeling it yet") is because the economy has completely changed and the middle/working class has not adapted with it. We've been hearing it for years (since 2011 at least); Obama in part got re-elected by using this narrative. It's a nicety that politicians are still telling people who have become set in their ways, and I think it's actually detrimental to continue stating it.

You have tens of millions of people who think that they're still going to be able to find good-paying jobs and a steady future with nothing more than a HS degree. You have tens of millions of people who still aren't willing in many cases to learn a new skill set or go back to school. There are millions of good-paying jobs available in this country right now that can't be filled (which ultimately impedes working class hiring), but we have too many 20th century workers and not enough 21st century workers. This aspect of our economic malaise really doesn't have anything to do with the Recession, either; the Recession certainly sped up the process - like a strong wind prematurely dislodging dying leaves on a tree that were going to fall next week anyway - but this was coming one way or another. You can't blame Obama, Democrats, or (as much as I hate to say it) even Republicans, unless you want to go after them for blocking massive public works, training and education programs that were/are needed post-2008. Still, one has to ask: if all of the economic malaise and recession hasn't forced people to act on their own in these cases, would a public program really be embraced by all that many of these folk?

Obviously, this type of argument would be least effective with the exact and aforementioned group of people it applies to the most ("how dare you insult good ol' salt-of-the-earth, hardworking Americans!"), and simple minds are going to continue to blame one party or another. A combination of the Democratic Party and time have delivered everything that can be given the obstruction and political atmosphere right now - the economy's fundamentals at this point are strong, especially when isolating just the past 12 months. If you are still suffering in this economy but were prospering before the Recession, it is almost invariably your own fault for not going back to school, learning a new trade, or adapting in some other facet. Of course, that's not the line for interviews.
2  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should state legislative districts been drawn by independent commissions? on: November 15, 2014, 07:46:33 pm
How big are state house seats in some states? In Michigan they are 77 to 92k each at this size it seems like you can't really gerrymander that much especially if there are rules like compactness and keeping cities and townships together. The state senate here is closer to around 260k and there are a lot more chances to gerrymander. Plus with state house districts that small you could actually talk to a lot of people in the district and win a district that leans the other way. Our state rep himself knocked on our door and my mom chatted for 10-12 minutes with him.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: November 12, 2014, 09:37:15 pm
Even I'm drinking water right now, although I had 5 pops today. It's not that hard to drink water. It even tastes rather refreshing.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's in your cart? on: November 11, 2014, 10:35:11 pm
I picked up a few items at the store yesterday

4 pound jar of peanut butter   7.59
10oz of spinach                        .98
1 pound of ground chuck  3.99
1 12 pack cans of Cherry Coke  3 12 pack cans for 10 dollars plus 3.60 in deposits.
2. 12 pack cans of Mello Yello


5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Detroit fixable? How would you fix it? on: November 08, 2014, 02:41:41 pm
What's larger than Detroit is the issue of American ghettos. Every city has them. Detroit's boundaries just happen to be such that the anchor city is largely coextensive with the metro's ghetto.  The whole metro is still quite a viable area and much wealthier than many others. It should be clear by now that "the market" will not fix ghettos. By definition, some markets, locations, and people fail the market test.  And our weak patchwork of anti-poverty programs haven't solved underlying issues either. And I suppose if you wanted to go all totalitarian, you could force everybody out, bulldoze the whole slum, but you still have poor people who need cheap housing.  And wherever they go, by definition, becomes the new ghetto because nobody with the means is going to want to live there.  You can't have America witghout the ghetto. The low wage jobs and the people who have them are integral parts of the nation. And you can send everybody to Harvard if you want to. All that will do is give you Harvard educated slum dwellers. On the other hand you could take radical steps to address inequality, but the political will is not even close to exisiting. And so we all live with Detroit or South Memphis or West Virginia or wherever.


Yeah I know this was from 3 years ago but wow what a great post.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: turnout reports, voting problems, and last minute dirty tricks on: November 04, 2014, 05:34:49 pm
I haven't seem a single Rick Snyder sign in Detroit. Plus one of my black co workers wrote "remember to vote" on our white board in the break room.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your Top 5 cities in the world! on: November 02, 2014, 07:14:38 pm
Of the major cities I have been to.

Detroit
New York City
Boston
Chicago

I really want to visit Europe and other cities outside the U.S.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update) on: September 27, 2014, 02:16:13 pm
I don't blame him for not wanting a low wage job these jobs are terrible and get no respect from anyone. Our society looks down on those working at mcDonalds or Walmart as stupid or lazy. If they complain about there job or lack of pay they are told to "just get a better job, as if there are plenty of other jobs or we don't need people in these jobs. And God forbid you take some food stamp money to get by, you become scum of the earth to a lot of people.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: September 21, 2014, 09:49:33 pm
So one of my co workers smells, he has this odor with him and it even kind of stays behind when he leaves. There is a chair in the break room that he always sits in and it smells, I actually accidentally sat in it on Friday. The elevator smells after he is on it. I don't really want to say anything surely he knows it? He is a really nice person. He is very overweight like 300 plus pounds.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do You Live in an Urban, Suburban, Exurban, or Rural Area? on: September 21, 2014, 07:38:33 pm
Suburban although my city existed way before the suburbs but has been overtaken by them. If you go west of where I live you enter the country but with some exurban subdivisions.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Buffalo Wild Wings on: September 21, 2014, 07:33:12 pm
Horrible horrible place, I ate there almost every week for like two plus years. towards the end on my way there I would hope the place had burned down so I didn't have to eat there anymore.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: September 10, 2014, 09:12:37 pm
I'm in a wedding this weekend should be fun. Wish it wasn't so expensive to be in someone's wedding though.
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who was Governor when you and your parents were born? on: September 07, 2014, 07:56:08 pm

Me

Jim Blanchard

My mom

G Mennen Williams (D MI)

My dad

John Fine (R PA)

14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum County Map on: September 07, 2014, 07:47:15 pm
Wayne county Michigan.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum House District Map on: September 07, 2014, 01:31:10 pm
MI 11th
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: September 01, 2014, 08:14:41 pm
So a few coworkers asked me if I had a girlfriend I said no. Then they asked if I have had one at all I lied and said yes I have. So apparently I'm to the point where I'm making up girlfriends.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: August 28, 2014, 10:12:25 pm
I think I'm going to try and make a new friend or two. It's been a long time since i last made a friend I could use a new friend or two.
How's the pop consumption?

I have cut way down on the pop. Although I have been using the water flavorors stuff you squirt into a bottle of water. The water flavor stuff is 0 calories so I'm removing 600 to 1000 calories of pop a day, I was averaging about 6k calories in pop a week. I had a lot of pop Tuesday because it was free, probably 60oz. Also over the weekend I had pop but I was at a bachelor party so I kind of had to have some drinks with coke. Even eating out I have been ordering water.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: August 27, 2014, 10:33:28 pm
I think I'm going to try and make a new friend or two. It's been a long time since i last made a friend I could use a new friend or two.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: August 27, 2014, 09:53:20 pm
So every Monday I have been attending this bike ride event in Detroit called the Slow Roll. We ride for 10 miles around the city. It has got huge there were over 4000 people there on Monday. It is a slow ride basically a cruise. When I started going last year in July there were about 3-400 people attending and it got up to about 1500 by season end. It has to be one of the biggest weekly bike rides out there and it's awesome it happens in Detroit. This coming Monday is Labor Day so I think it will reach 5k which will be crazy I will have to leave early to find a parking spot.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: August 24, 2014, 08:18:52 pm
Speaking of racism, I need to find some new friends who are not racist. I'm so terrible at making new friends though.
21  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: August 02, 2014, 02:15:59 pm
Just got back from the library and I got a book on former Michigan governor William Milliken, a moderate republican. He was governor from 1969 to 1983. Looks interesting and should give some good insight to Michigan politics of that era. State politics from past eras can be hard to find info on.
22  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Mandatory vacation pay on: July 12, 2014, 03:08:55 pm
Yeah the lack of vacation time is a big issue. 5 weeks total, 25 days total. Two weeks after a year, then a week a year till 5 weeks. Part time workers are more difficult because if you say you have to work so many hours to get vacation employers will cut workers under that. You will hear that 75% of people have vacation pay but it's the people at the bottom who don't have it but need it. Plus most of the 75% probably only get 2 weeks which is not enough. Giving 5 weeks vacation would help towards making up for the way workers have gotten screwed over the last 40 years. I would support tax breaks for small businesses to help with the added cost.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What U.S. City should be the 2024 Olympic nominee? Round 1 (again) on: June 14, 2014, 09:26:50 pm
Detroit.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: June 12, 2014, 06:20:49 pm
44oz of pop isn't that much.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm addicted to pop on: May 20, 2014, 08:42:19 pm
I have decided to give up pop except on rare occasions, it has been two days since I had pop. I went on a pop binge over the weekend drinking 250 oz of pop in 30 hours. I felt quite bad and my teeth hurt.
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