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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders once blamed cervical cancer on lack of orgasms on: Today at 08:21:11 pm
it's hard not to figure that there aren't more of these laying around.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary faces protests @ NH rally & keeps reporters behind a rope on: Today at 04:49:15 pm
Literally 7 Republicans showed up and yelled a bit. Why are we taking about this?

because it's a window into tactical possibility.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary faces protests @ NH rally & keeps reporters behind a rope on: Today at 04:45:34 pm
make Hilldawg as angry as Bill Daley was when he shouted "fcking Jew!" at Abe Ribicoff.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary faces protests @ NH rally & keeps reporters behind a rope on: Today at 04:44:41 pm
if Bernie is "viable" heading into November or so he should devote a small part of his campaign to protesting Hillary wherever she goes. 

and if he loses but still gets 1000+ delegates, do everything possible to fck up the Convention.  (which probably isn't much nowadays, unless you can get tens of thousands of warm bodies together who are willing to give and take an asskicking with the cops).

so many possibilities.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 02:50:15 pm
  I think he left on his own so he can keep his role of heroic martyr.  Now the hard painful part will begin for Greece where you will have to pay the piper one way or another.   Varoufakis figured he bail out right before that.  This way, weeks or months from now when Greece is in real difficult economic hardship people would say "if only Varoufakis stayed on ..."

I agree with this, except for the last part, I don't think anyone will be that dumb.  I suspect Yanis knows what a calamity Grexit will be and doesn't want his name associated with it.  if this is NOT the result of a personal break with Tsipras I can see him acting as a secret, "unofficial advisor.."
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 02:08:23 pm
also, I don't buy Yanis' official reasoning for leaving his MiniFinance post.  does anyone?
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 02:06:57 pm
They may not even have enough cash to much longer continue giving out the 60 euro a day, they are doing now.

eh, they would have lowered it to 20 Euros if they were in imminent danger of running out of cash.  it'll only be a couple more weeks now before final negotiations collapse, and the so called "IOUs" or New Drachma era begins.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Forum Straw Poll for Democrats: 2016 Presidential Nominee on: July 05, 2015, 08:00:46 pm
Where did all these Clinton votes come from?
You do realize that Hillary won more votes in the 2008 primary than Obama, and that some people actually do like her.

lol, is this what a Clinton 2016 hack looks like?  the hacks of the past were more colorful.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 1992 if Perot Never Dropped Out on: July 05, 2015, 07:09:09 pm
oh, if he never dropped out.  it would have been remarkable on Perot's part to draw Clinton below 270 EVs.  Perot may have won a handful of states.  his campaign was amazingly incompetent and blew a unique opportunity.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: 1992 if Perot Never Dropped Out on: July 05, 2015, 07:07:26 pm
well, Clinton got 53.41% of the two-party vote.  that's an Obama 2008 victory.  you can argue from there.  obviously states like Montana would flip to Bush.  but the takeaway story from 1992 was how poorly Bush (R) did: 37.5% as an incumbent. 

counterfactuals are silly, but the conclusion has to be that Bush very likely still would have lost.  even to a Massachusetts scarecrow like Tsongas.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Red Bull and Sedatives on: July 05, 2015, 05:04:41 pm
what sort of sedative?
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Forum Straw Poll for Democrats: 2016 Presidential Nominee on: July 05, 2015, 04:39:31 pm
Where did all these Clinton votes come from?

lots of Obama 2008 primary voters.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: July 05, 2015, 04:38:30 pm
German SPD vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel indicates Tsipras has “torn down the last bridges across which Europe and Greece could have moved toward a compromise” ...“By rejecting the rules of the game of the euro area, as expressed in the majority ‘No’ vote

The Germans are very angry. 

if there were any doubt left that the Eurozone is an antidemocratic project..

Because Gabriel has an eye on the voters that elect him?

because he alleges "Tsipras has burned the last bridges" by letting his general population directly vote on a major policy event.

if your point is this fellow is just bullsh**tting for his own purposes, that's fine.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: July 05, 2015, 04:30:32 pm
Imagine if every time the an American state ended up in economic trouble, all 50 governors had to get together and hash out a solution. This is a farce.

the federal government here generally draws a line and refuses to function as a lender of last resort for municipalities.  if an entire state was facing bankruptcy, it's hard to say what Washington would do.

a good case study is the situation in New York City in ~1975.  the biggest City in the country was going under and Gerald Ford refused a federal bailout.  Eric Lichten documented this in his book Class, Power, and Austerity.

the NYC situation set the model for how neoliberalism would treat political entities with unsustainable debt.  bail out the creditors and punish the citizens.  nowadays some states even have laws that allow for a state takeover of an officially struggling municipality, school district, etc -- openly undercutting any pretense of democracy.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Most and least patriotic states on: July 05, 2015, 03:24:31 pm
Well we all knew New York hated America.

so, I asked them why they spent their time
with segregation on their mind
they said, "If you don't like to live this way
get out of here, go back to the U.S.A
live with all them Russians and New York folksingers"


16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas: Attorney General Paxton being investigated for securities fraud on: July 05, 2015, 03:23:12 pm
interestting, but let's wait and see. these tx "special prosecutions" have a bad history of being political and not sticking.

Tom DeLay and who else?
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: July 05, 2015, 03:00:12 pm
German SPD vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel indicates Tsipras has “torn down the last bridges across which Europe and Greece could have moved toward a compromise” ...“By rejecting the rules of the game of the euro area, as expressed in the majority ‘No’ vote

The Germans are very angry. 

if there were any doubt left that the Eurozone is an antidemocratic project..
18  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 05, 2015, 02:56:17 pm
so.  looks like "Nein!" has won with over 60% of the vote.  gives Tsipras et al some "democratic legitimacy" as they peer into the abyss and get ready to jump.  fate is cooperating.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What poster has been here the longest on: July 04, 2015, 04:59:52 pm
Here is the old forum, btw:

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/leip/ikonboard//ikonboard.cgi

Note that it includes posts from as recently as 2013.


''Normally, the insurgent peaks right before Iowa and New Hampshire, then runs out of gas because of the money that the front-runner has.'' -Howard Dean, July 2003.  pretty much details exactly what would happen to him.
20  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 04, 2015, 04:06:03 pm
his appeal is that he is a new-new Left intellectual who is both a man of letters and a man of action.
21  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 04, 2015, 02:59:53 pm
Another thing: if every one in the middle class took ag's advice and only went to cheap state schools (which, BTW, are getting less and less cheap by the year), those expensive private schools would become even more a preserve of the 1% than they already are.  The negative ramifications of that shift for social mobility and society at large are left as an exercise for the reader.

I do not know of many Harvard grads who suffer so much paying out their debts: Harvard degree is money (and, in any case, if you do struggle you are not doing much for social mobility). Most poor souls who paid fortune for college and struggle with debts went to very different kinds of schools. No disparagement intended, but I see no reason to borrow so much in order to attend Hofstras and Adelphis of this world.

right -- and "the market" wouldn't offer an assetless student and his asset-less parent to take out $200k in money over a 4 year span but for the bankruptcy protection exemption.  it is a policy designed to victimize people who have "dreams of college and getting a job"... college is an ideological status symbol in the USA, and I'm sure elsewhere.  viewing the college loans catastrophe as "merely economics at work" without taking in the myriad other factors that lead people to behave, gasp, irrationally, is the height of myopia.
22  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 04, 2015, 02:55:15 pm
But what would happen? Yes wins, Tspiras resigns, new elections are held, Syriza wins again... and then what?
I assume a different Syriza leader takes office?

Yanis takes over as PM.  brilliant.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NYC Mayor 2017 on: July 03, 2015, 09:15:06 pm
de Blasio will not face any "establishment" challenge at this rate.  it's more likely that de Blasio backs a primary challenge to Cuomo than vice versa.
24  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 03, 2015, 07:40:08 am
Tsipras said he would resign if 'yes' wins, right?  (and Syriza possibly/probably re-elected with a plurality)
25  General Politics / Economics / Re: Greece to Leave the Euro Zone on: July 01, 2015, 04:26:59 pm
the idea for the ECB is to have Greece as an eternally depressed, slave state, and a vehicle for transferring wealth to foreign creditors.  I believe the number is 8 of 9 Euros worth of loan/"aid" to Greece go to foreign creditors.  the idea is to keep this going for eternity.

in this sense Greece's situation is akin to an American's with $200k in 8-11% interest student loans.  they're designed to not be paid back, but to take a cut of your paycheck (including your Social Security check in 40 years -- or even if you get disability payments).

Then why did you get those loans? Your friendly local community college, most certainly, did not charge 50 grand a year.

I wasn't speaking in the first person -- but it is telling that you seek to blame the market-sense and rationality of a 17 or 18 year old before you think of the social structures and situation than makes $50k/year loans to 18 year olds widespread.

17 year olds sign up for loans without talking with their parents?

no, they generally need a "co-signer".  the loan is also immune to bankruptcy protection and collection rates on defaulted loans is close to 90% (compared to a fraction w/credit card debt).

the alternative path for people in the situation is to work a low wage job for eternity.
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