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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of punk rock on: April 17, 2015, 05:37:06 pm
he didn't get the connection, seen a few shows that was all he knew
and so she played him the classics, and now he loves hardcore too
that day they finally realized, both their scenes are one big family
and if it wasn't for hardcore, then Emo would never be

2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Where Do You Rank on the Male Social Hierarchy? on: April 17, 2015, 05:33:28 pm
closest to "beta +".



odds that the guy who wrote this thinks he's an "Alpha +"??
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Owsley county Kentucky? on: April 17, 2015, 05:29:13 pm
Certainly a great example of why there will be no backlash if Republicans repeal Obamacare in 2017.

they won't repeal Obamacare -- the insurance companies won't want them to.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Pat Buchanan on: April 17, 2015, 05:27:34 pm
The greatest man never to have been President, regardless of the skeletons in his closet.

Quote from: Thomas from NJ
A great man who would have made a great President.

How does the fact that Pat Buchanan is a fan of Hitler factor into that?

Believing that half a million Americans and a million western Europeans should not have died in a war for Poland's territorial integrity does not a Nazi make.

I don't understand: he believes aiding the USSR on the Eastern Front was a poor idea, the USA only should have aided UK/France on the Western Front?
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie run and will he go Indy? on: April 17, 2015, 05:21:50 pm
Depending on how negative his relations are with Clinton by the end of the primaries, I honestly believe that he could pull a Eugene McCarthy and run as an independent in the general election.

McCarthy didn't run as an independent in '68, he ran in '76.  despite hating Humphrey more than he hated Carter (I'd suspect).

I doubt McCarthy left Chicago in '68 physically capable of running a campaign any further.  something had died there, and even Gene McCarthy, hardly a radical of any sort, could sense it.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie run and will he go Indy? on: April 16, 2015, 07:23:59 pm
as I've pointed out before, if he ran as an Indy spoiler he would face retribution from the Dem Senate caucus re: committee assignments.  they could turn him into a backbench ghost, and it's not like he can caucus with the GOP, so he'd have zero leverage.

so even if he genuinely doesn't give a sh**t in a Clinton v Bush race he will not run as an Ind.

he's 73. how many more senate terms does he have left anyhow? if he ever wanted to go all in, now would be the time.

as Wulfric below me pointed out, 73 is hardly all that old for a Senator.  he's a lock to be re-elected in 2018, and thus serve until early 2025.

he's also not one of these Senators who can walk out into some six-figure private sector job, and now that Feingold's out he's probably near the bottom in personal net worth among all of the Senators.  those six more paychecks of ~$175k have meaning to him.
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NBA Playoff Bracket is set! on: April 16, 2015, 06:37:48 pm
Eastern Conference

[1] Atlanta over [8] Brooklyn in 4
[4] Toronto over [5] Washington in 7
[3] Chicago over  [5]Milwaukee in 6
[2] Cleveland over [7] Boston in 5

[1] Atlanta over [4] Toronto in 5
[2] Cleveland over [3] Chicago in 6

[2] Cleveland over [1] Atlanta in 6


Western Conference

[1] Golden State over [8] New Orleans in 5
[5] Memphis over [4] Portland in 7
[3] LA Clippers over [6] San Antonio in 7
[2] Houston over [7] Dallas in 7

[1] Golden State over [5] Memphis in 6
[3] LA Clippers over [2] Houston in 6

[1] Golden State over [3] LA Clippers in 6

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Golden State def. Cleveland in 7
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Neoliberal corporatist Hillary swings wildly to the left after feet held to fire on: April 16, 2015, 06:25:03 pm
I am not dismissive of the notion that Hillary is full of s**t on plenty of things, but the criticism of her on this board in the last few days has been nonsensical and constantly contradicts itself. I hate feeling almost obligated to defend her against such shifting goalposts.

e-mail accounts and Benghazigate are "unfair".  corporate lawyer for Sam Wal-Mart is legitimate criticism.


also: keep in mind that multibillion dollar campaigns are inherently full of sh**t.  they are akin to big-budget movies.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Owsley county Kentucky? on: April 16, 2015, 06:23:34 pm
an epitome of what Marx meant by "false consciousness"
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Pat Buchanan on: April 16, 2015, 05:44:58 pm
seemed like a cool guy in the late 60s/early 70s.  try to track down HST's accounts of hanging out and drinking with him... should be in that first volume they put out, "The Great Shark Hunt".  

I suppose that's why I don't have much of an aversion to him.  he's not full of sh**t, so he could never be a successful Republican politician.  and he has a natural levity about him that allowed him to be friends with Dem campaign operatives, and left-wing journalists like Hunter Thompson.

so I'll vote FF because a) he's not a dedicated liar and b) has a sense of humor.


(ps: minimal Google skills can lead you to a pdf of The Great Shark Hunt.  I won't directly link to it -- Alcon used to get on my ass about linking directly to what likely are copyright violations.  I'm still scarred from that one time I posted an mp3 of a Fall Out Boy song that I had hosted on Freewebs and he tore it down for suspicion of copyright violation).
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Neoliberal corporatist Hillary swings wildly to the left after feet held to fire on: April 16, 2015, 05:33:04 pm
during this election cycle, we're actually gonna get Hillary partisans try to argue that she's not the very embodiment of "neoliberal corporatist hack"?  because she says nice things about working families and etc?

how many times do you fools have to re-learn the same damn thing?
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: CHAFEE ANNOUNCED! on: April 16, 2015, 05:25:49 pm
the Moderate Hero's dream candidate.  Mitty should get at least a dozen orgasms out of this -- incidentally, one for each percentage point Chafee will pull in New Hampshire.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Bernie run and will he go Indy? on: April 16, 2015, 05:22:39 pm
as I've pointed out before, if he ran as an Indy spoiler he would face retribution from the Dem Senate caucus re: committee assignments.  they could turn him into a backbench ghost, and it's not like he can caucus with the GOP, so he'd have zero leverage.

so even if he genuinely doesn't give a sh**t in a Clinton v Bush race he will not run as an Ind.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supports constitutional amendment against money in politics on: April 16, 2015, 02:28:14 am
Look at the end of the day, the only way that we're getting citizens united et al. overturned is by waiting until Scalia or Kennedy (or, inshallah, Thomas) die and then replacing them with a liberal justice. Of course Clinton can't come out and say that. A constitutional amendment is obviously never happening, and legislation can't really fix the problem.

so if Hillary were honest, she could say "with the current construction of the Court, overturning Citizens United is not a possiblity.  we must accept it as settled law -- yet I believe there may yet be room for improvements to campaign finance law".

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I don't know why progressive activists waste their time on constitutional amendments that are literally never going to pass, but they do, and instead of being asked the question "will you appoint a 50-something lesbian judge who clerked for ginsburg if/when scalia has a heart attack" people ask her this nonsense, so she answers the questions she's asked and hopes people understand her position.

they don't know what to do.  that's the petit-bourgeois reformist left.  it is nationally disjointed, has no clear direction, and often does things that look like wasting time.  but at least it is a form of movement-building -- perhaps one day, the tides change.  it can happen fast.

btw, the best aspect of the petit-bourgeois, reformist left is the linking up of credit unions w/cooperative industry.  such industries are still subject to market discipline, the orthodox Marxist is quick to point out, but those are the kind of direct-action, building the new society within the old one that make the most sense to me.  Gar Alperovitz or more or less the guru emeritus of the movement.



Chris Hedges likes to tell the story of the few dozen Lutherans that held a candle procession at the Berlin Wall in 1988-9, officially in protest of their lack of recognition by the GDR government.  they told him that they hoped within a year or two, more would join and their movement would gain strength.  literally within a week of that conversation the Wall was officially opened up and the candle-lighting Lutherans achieved their wish.

sometimes, it's just about keeping the flame going.  if you want to vote for HRC in a general election, have fun, but Good Lord, don't get all excited about it.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: SSH #14: Oswald Spengler on: April 15, 2015, 09:31:20 pm
an interesting mind.  I used to dismiss him as a Nazi precursor, but there's more to him than that.  he had the right instincts, but ultimately underestimated the ability of the West to control the world via what has become known as "post-Colonialism".  this, even after another mass slaughter in WW2 followed by a mass of colonial rebellions in the decades following.  

using finance capital as the major tool, the West has remained on top, though the "white race" is becoming a thing of the past (not that he would have cared about that, at least not as much as your everyday 14-88).
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: You're an NFL team manager. You can pick one of these 2 players in their prime.. on: April 15, 2015, 09:23:20 pm
there's no evidence that Hernandez was better than Gronkowski at any point in time.  he was still very young, so as for "what could have been?", we'll never know.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supports constitutional amendment against money in politics on: April 15, 2015, 09:19:27 pm
Clinton has been a support of campaign finance reform for a very long time, just like basically every other Democrat. She voted for McCain-Feingold, which Citizens United (among other decisions) struck down. In fact the subject of that case was ads attacking her! This is not shocking or surprising or hypocritical.

don't you get it?  the president is not involved in the process of amending the Constitution.  she washes her hands of the issue while sounding like a really good liberal and get reliable (D) voters like you to jerk your dick off.

"working within the contours of Citizen United, accepting it as settled law, and working with Congress to improve the campaign finance problem" a) sounds a lot less sexier, b) requires actual work on Hillary's part, and c) might actually have a chance of happening if prioritized.

use your brain dude.

LOL. So first you guys criticize Hillary for "not being left wing enough", now you criticize her for being "so left wing it's unrealistic."

So which is it? Does Hillary need to be a left wing crusader or a pragmatic progressive?

first of all, you're talking like a Dem campaign operative.  it's annoying and it's a bad habit to get into.  it eats at your brain in an Orwellian way.

as for "Hillary supports a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizens' United": it's pragmatic from a campaigning perspective, and irrelevant from a policy perspective.


above all, here in mid-April 2015, Hillary wants to look like she's all for addressing this problem.  the Amendment endorsement is brilliant: the Amendment process does not involve the president.  meanwhile it sounds a lot better than "I'll haggle with John Boehner and Mitch McConnell when the time comes, we'll see, Citizens United is settled law", although from a policy perspective, the latter is better representative of what Hillary would be capable of doing as president.

though, no doubt, if an anti-Citizens United Amendment had passed through 30-some odd state legislatures, she'd jump on the bandwagon, but don't expect her to raise a finger at that level before then.  it's not her job, after all.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supports constitutional amendment against money in politics on: April 15, 2015, 05:03:54 pm
Clinton has been a support of campaign finance reform for a very long time, just like basically every other Democrat. She voted for McCain-Feingold, which Citizens United (among other decisions) struck down. In fact the subject of that case was ads attacking her! This is not shocking or surprising or hypocritical.

don't you get it?  the president is not involved in the process of amending the Constitution.  she washes her hands of the issue while sounding like a really good liberal and get reliable (D) voters like you to jerk your dick off.

"working within the contours of Citizen United, accepting it as settled law, and working with Congress to improve the campaign finance problem" a) sounds a lot less sexier, b) requires actual work on Hillary's part, and c) might actually have a chance of happening if prioritized.

use your brain dude.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supports constitutional amendment against money in politics on: April 15, 2015, 04:54:57 pm
She'll forget about it as soon as she's in office. Bet on it, gentlemen.

Why do you say that?  The post-Citizens United changes to campaign finance law hurt Democrats way more than Republicans.

citation needed.  Dems are fully a business party now, since Clinton.  back before then, they always ran at a financial disadvantage which was made up for with urban organization, often with the backing of labor. those days are gone now.  Hillary is as tight with Wall St as any Republican she'd face.  

Obama topped Romney in 2012, for example (and who could be tightest with Wall St than Mitt Romney?).  the GOP topped the Dems by a bit in 2014: but that made sense, they had more incumbents.  

the PAC and Super PAC thing makes it really hard to calculate all of this sh**t.  in total $7B was spent on the federal election cycle of 2012, only $3.2B of it by candidates.  I'll keep doing more digging and reading on how to understand the process and get the real numbers that matter
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supports constitutional amendment against money in politics on: April 15, 2015, 04:45:20 pm
Oh, the irony...

Yes, this. She's been in bed with special interests for years, so this is clearly a "I'm one of you middle class folk" move.

She voted for McCain-Feingold. Don't be a dumb.

Exactly.  This is the moderate hero fallacy.  Republicans have gone off the deep end and oppose all campaign finance regulation.  Democrats have not.

I actually support Chris Christie's plan relative to most Dem plans: unlimited donations, all of the info public and on the internet, as close to real time as is possible.  of course the corporations would slush the money through phony corporations, but we'd for the most part who's paying who.

or George Carlin's suggest: make the politicians wear suits full of the logos of the corporations that sponsor them, like NASCAR suits.  that's some sh**t I can get behind.

as for Hillary here: well done.  throw out a 'radical' solution that she literally would have no power to enact as president, and would not be enacted.  meanwhile she'll run a several billion dollar campaign.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of rent control on: April 14, 2015, 01:44:42 pm
no, it's just iconic in places like NYC.  my mom has this friend that is the epitome of the right's favorite leach.  worked for the Parks Dept during peak union strength, so he has a pension of between $30-40k/yr in addition to Social Security (was making about $70k/yr when he retired at age 55), has a rent controlled apt so he pays ca. $500/month for prime locale near Midtown.  

he's also a Jew (an Italian Jew - a rarity) and is a loner -- it's hard to keep his attention for more than 20 minutes, and he has a habit of getting far too drunk and acting bizarrely if he's not in public.  though he does like plays and movies and could write for a magazine, a very gifted reviewer.

anyway, he's iconic for the waste of a welfare state attitude Gustaf just laid out, translated into American.
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of eCigs (vaping) on: April 14, 2015, 01:32:01 pm
should be banned.

Fascists will be fascists.

for the third time (since I enjoy it, since I've read his postings for 11 years now) I'll point out that Mitty has developed a rabid hatred of cigarettes and tobacco companies in general since he personally quit over a decade ago, yet he stands hand-in-hand with the giants of Big Tobacco on this issue.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of eCigs (vaping) on: April 12, 2015, 05:04:30 pm
should be banned.

you know who the biggest lobbyists for banning e-cigs are, right?

you dodged the question: the answer is Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds, etc.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm kind of disgusted with you people right now on: April 11, 2015, 10:15:13 pm
I love how fckin serious this dude's (or dudes') tone is.  like he's a Teamster and sh**t's about to go down.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Invasion of Bizarro Atlas: Discuss battle plans here. on: April 11, 2015, 05:00:33 pm
as opposed to being banned it appears I'll simply never be authorized to post.
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