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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: did Jesus go to Jerusalem intending to die? on: Today at 07:09:42 pm
If Jesus is God, then to conform to the Christian view of God would be to know all and to be perfect.

do you not make a distinction between Jesus of Nazareth the historical person and Jesus the risen Christ?

Could you elaborate? It sounds like you are going down Spong's "The disciples believed super hard" route, but I'm not sure.

I'm not going anywhere, I don't even know what that is.  the Gospels are themselves divided on this.  whether Jesus experienced anxiety and didn't want to go to Jerusalem, and at the behest of the Father he relented, or if he took it in stride. 

then there's the semi-separate question of what he wanted to do there.  did he think he'd go to the Temple, preach, and rally enough followers to effect a Jewish revolution, or at least, to gain a bunch of new followers?  or did he go intending to raise enough of a ruckus that he would be executed?  (it seems as if the penal substitution option would require Jesus to have known he was going to die).
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: did Jesus go to Jerusalem intending to die? on: Today at 06:37:21 pm
If Jesus is God, then to conform to the Christian view of God would be to know all and to be perfect.

do you not make a distinction between Jesus of Nazareth the historical person and Jesus the risen Christ?
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Favorite Churches on: Today at 06:35:21 pm
I've always had a soft spot for simple white country churches. You know like this



he have one here in Huntington, NY, though it is country no more:
Old First Church
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / will Obama be physically present at the 2016 DNC? on: May 23, 2015, 03:46:51 pm
GWB, who was wildly unpopular at the time, did not attend the 2008 RNC, though he did give a short message by satellite.  he was the first sitting president not to attend his party's convention since LBJ in 1968.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / did Jesus go to Jerusalem intending to die? on: May 23, 2015, 01:47:40 am
did Jesus go to Jerusalem intending to die?
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Checkmate, True Leftists on: May 21, 2015, 06:13:59 pm
"neoliberal" is a timebound word.  you can't say anybody was a neoliberal or neoconservative prior to, say, the circulation of the Powell memo.  FDR and Truman were liberals, in the true sense of the word: compromisers, who graciously allowed labor a seat at the table, but not to run the show.

nowadays anyone who even pretends to allow labor a seat at the table gets called a communist.  that's some effective corporate indoctrination at work.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: some dirt on O'Malley for the liberals who like him on: May 20, 2015, 10:18:37 pm
Interesting article. Thoroughly enjoyed it and/or was disgusted by what it displayed about O'Malley's handling of the crime situation.

to be fair, it's not really O'Malley's fault in the last analysis, it's all a consequence of what the War on Drugs and the prison-industrial complex have done to policing.  you need two contradictory things: a) bodies to lock up while b) showing a decreased crime rate.  once you get the "real criminals" behind bars you have to start to cannibalize entire communities.  such is why the police are rightly viewed as an occupying army in the ghettoes - and increasingly, they dress the part.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Checkmate, True Leftists on: May 20, 2015, 03:54:34 pm
"FDR was a neoliberal racist warmonger." - True Leftists, probably

The irony is, that's what TNF types really thought in the 1930s.

it all looks well and good now, but the 1930s saw mass labor organization, much of it by people with all sorts of socialist sympathies and memberships, and plenty of organizers loyal to Stalin.

"[Norman] Thomas said Roosevelt has not 'carried out most of the demands of the Socialist platform—unless he carried them out on a stretcher.'"

in other words, FDR was a center-left liberal, and prone to swings in his degree of 'activism':  1936-39 were probably the peak years of the 'left' in FDR's center-left.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of cruises for a vacation? on: May 20, 2015, 02:33:02 pm
great if you're a boozer, restless and intellectually stultifying if you're not.
10  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: How would you have sentenced Timothy McVeigh? on: May 20, 2015, 02:31:08 pm
As I don't believe in subjecting anyone to the so called 'justice' of the U.S. 'justice system', I would not vote to convict him of anything in the first place, had I been on the jury.

that's my ticket to getting booted from any jury pool.  "seeing as the crimes committed by the state far outweigh any that could be perpetrated by any individual or network of individuals, I could never, in good conscience, vote to convict a defendant in a criminal trial"
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Marco Rubio's baggage is coming crashing out of the closet on: May 20, 2015, 02:14:18 pm
Is the 2016 Republican primary field the most corrupt assortment of candidates for a major party's nomination in United States history? It's hard to say which of this embarrassing and depraved gaggle of crooks is the most crooked. 

Change you color to Dem. If youre an example of a NY GOPer no wonder why the party cant break 33%.

The party cannot break 33% because the upstate has lost population big time, and both the upstate and NY surbubs quit voting 60% Republican in statewide races.

In other words, the problem is that Republican Yankees are becomind increasingly scarce Smiley

they still fcking hold every LI state Senate seat though.  fcking maddening.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: police murder megathread on: May 20, 2015, 02:00:23 pm
video has surfaced of the 2012 death of Sgt. James Brown, 26.  Brown choked to death in a Texas jail while serving a two-day jail sentence.  he was restrained and forced to wear a mask.  he said some version of "I can't breathe" at least 20 times, but SWAT team members refused to removed the mask.  he had previously served two tours of duty in Iraq.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/20/sgt_james_brown_26_survived_two
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Christie: 'You Can't Enjoy Your Civil Liberties If You're In A Coffin' on: May 19, 2015, 05:59:30 pm
not a good move.  the idea is not to actually defend this stuff, instead smile and wave as the perfect totalitarianism is built behind the scenes.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: after the Clipper collapse: time for a ten worst sports defeats thread on: May 19, 2015, 04:08:45 pm
the advanced metrics very much disagree with "the 2013 Seahawks weren't even very good".
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: "Sanders Democrats" on: May 18, 2015, 01:00:13 am
I can't see it. The term "socialism" is so stigmatized in America that anyone identifying with that label would find it extremely difficult to be elected to national office.

not so much among the young.  people who don't have living memories of the Cold War are far less socialist-phobic.  Rasmussen did a poll on this a while back, "socialism" was actually held in good stead among 18-29s.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: after the Clipper collapse: time for a ten worst sports defeats thread on: May 18, 2015, 12:27:01 am
The "2002" Wild Card Round, where the Giants blew a 24-point lead against the 49ers and then got screwed by the refs in the final moments, was the worst loss I've ever witnessed.  I still get the dry heaves thinking about it.

two SB titles (won with ridiculously inferior teams, btw) can't wipe that taste from out of your mouth?  how about the Eagles Miracle at the Meadowlands pt 2 in 2010?
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / after the Clipper collapse: time for a ten worst sports defeats thread on: May 18, 2015, 12:05:21 am
we had one of these many years ago.  one simple rule: you have to have been alive and witnessed the game(s) in real time.

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1. Oct 19, 1999, NLCS Game 6: Braves 10, Mets 9 (11 inn.).  Games 5 and 6 of this series were some of the craziest baseball I've ever seen.

2. January 17, 1999, AFC Championship Game: Broncos 23, Jets 10.  Jets held 10-0 lead early in 3rd quarter as 8.5 point underdogs to the defending champion Broncos.  a flurry of turnovers and miscues would fck the Jets in a game that was not as lopsided as the score suggests

3. Oct 21, 2000, World Series Game 1: Yankees 4, Mets 3 (12 inn.).  Most Mets fans remember Game 5, but Game 1 is where the series turned.  the Mets held a 3-2 lead entering the 9th.  they blew a chance at picking up insurance runs in the top of the 9th, with runners at 2nd and 3rd, 1 out.  in the bottom of the inning, the Yankees got a single run off of Armando Benitez to tie the game.  a bases-loaded single from Jose Vizcaino in the 12th ended it

4. Sept 12-30, 2007, Mets lose 7 gm lead w/17 to go: Mets blow 99.8% chance at postseason berth with 5-12 finish.  can't narrow this to a single game.  the Sept 30 game, which saw the Mets tied for 1st in the East and for the Wild Card, began with Tom Glavine allowing 7 runs in 1/3 of an inning against the Florida Marlins.  I was at Shea that day, and likened the experience to being on the Titanic as it sunk.

5. January 15, 2005, AFC Divisional Game: Steelers 20, Jets 17.  Doug Brien misses two field goals in the final two minutes that would have sent the 9-point underdog Jets to the AFC Title Game.

6. Oct 19, 2006, NLCS Game 7: Cardinals 3, Mets 1.  Game 2 was also a horror.  the heavily favored Mets simply ran out of pitching, having to give 3 starts total to Oliver Perez (3-13, 6.55 ERA in the regular season) and Steve Trachsel (who had the highest ERA among qualifying pitchers in the NL, despite a deceptive 15-8 record.)  Billy Wagner imploded, as Sam Spade warned he would (though the Phillies' Brad Lidge didn't implode in 2008, as Sam Spade also warned he would, en route to the first Phillies title since 1980.  Spade just had it in for every ex-Astro closer)

7. January 23, 2011, AFC Championship Game: Steelers 24, Jets 19.  Jets faced a 24-0 deficit, netted a field goal to cut it to 24-3 before half, and then got to work.  they moved the ball and the Steelers didn't in the second half, but, alas, a day late and a buck short.

8. May 14, 2015, Western Conf. Quarterfinals Game 6: Rockets 119, Clippers 107.  still digesting

9. January 4, 2003, Fiesta Bowl/BCS National Championship Game: #2 Ohio State 31, #1 Miami 24 (2 OT).  we all know about the phantom pass interference call thrown 4 seconds too late.  Miami's win streak snapped at 35.  an ignominious end to the grand Ken Dorsey era.  Miami has not been a national title contender since

10. April 30, 2002, Eastern Conf. Quarterfinal Game 7: Maple Leafs 4, Islanders 2.  this was my first taste of playoff hockey.  the home team won all 7 games in this series.  the Isles scored the first goal, went down 3-1, got a quick 3rd period goal to make it 3-2, but the Leafs held the fort and scored an empty-netter as the third period was winding down.  the series was colored by the loss of Michael Peca on a dirty hit from Toronto's Darcy Tucker.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you binge drink? on: May 16, 2015, 06:01:47 pm
5 drinks in 2 hours is binge drinking? That's pathetic.

But, what is defined as 1 drink? Down here every bottle is required to show you how many "standard drinks" are in what you're buying. A bottle of wine is typically 7-9, one normal strength beer is about 1.3 (Light beer, 0.9). A 700ml bottle of vodka is about 21. Do they do anything similar in America these days?

no labeling, though the term is still used and defined the same way (12oz beer at 5%, 1.5oz shot at 40%, etc)
19  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: May 15, 2015, 06:47:24 pm
Thomas, the Other Gospel by Nicolas Perrin

Reading John by Christopher Skinner


the latter is more or less aimed at undergrads, but it's still something worth picking up, IMO.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Bradford West General Election, 2015 on: May 15, 2015, 06:38:14 pm
one of the surprises for me was the sheer margin by which Galloway lost (about 28 points).  Shah nearly netted a majority.  but let's pretend it's up to us.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: some dirt on O'Malley for the liberals who like him on: May 15, 2015, 06:32:19 pm
I mean we all watched the wire right? Im pretty sure that was a plot line.

it took me a while to figure out that Carcetti 'was' O'Malley.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate Dems relent on TPP/TPA on: May 15, 2015, 06:31:24 pm
Free trade agreements only benefit third-world countries that we'd have to repeal the 13th Amendment in order to compete with. That said, we must institute protectionist policies that offset any benefit companies may gain from shipping their manufacturing to China or India so it's cheaper to make it in America. I was glad that the Democrats have stopped this abomination, but we must kill it for good before what's left of American manufacturing gets shipped overseas.

I take it you've never taken an economics class?

isn't what he said the exact opposite of the generally accepted wisdom?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Monopolies to Break Up? on: May 15, 2015, 06:30:03 pm
Why would we want to turn the clock back?

There's something hilariously ironic about a post starting with this sentence and then advocating antiquated economics like nationalization.

what makes it "antiquated"?  is it because it hasn't been done in the Global North since Thatcher/Reagan?

Do you have another word for a technique discarded for over a third of a century that isn't antiquated?

EDIT: Perhaps "Old-school" or "retro" would work. Get your bell bottoms and disco gear back, nationalization has returned.

sorry for the late reply here.  would you consider there to be a difference between 'antiquated' and 'obsolete' in this instance?
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you binge drink? on: May 15, 2015, 06:21:58 pm
5 drinks in 2 hours is the new 'clinical' definition, but it is really an appropriation of the term.  "binge" used to mean an extended, days-long, (to a greater or lesser extent) life-jeopardizing affair.  now it's the very mild 5 in 2 hours, which won't even get a reasonably fat male over the legal limit.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary backs Tubman on $20 on: May 15, 2015, 06:04:47 pm
throw in a rider that authorizes the US to mint 5000 collectible Reagan golden dollar coins and she could get this through Congress.  and essentially rob a bunch of jerk offs in the process.
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