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26  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: FL/OH/PA Quinnipiac: Clinton in big trouble on: August 20, 2015, 02:50:10 pm
Not until the matter of the e-mails is resolved.  These show how Hillary Clinton will be perceived if she is shown to be a wrong-doer  with respect to the e-mails.

I thought it was pretty much proven she didn't do anything wrong in this "scandal."
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: FL/OH/PA Quinnipiac: Clinton in big trouble on: August 20, 2015, 02:20:18 pm
These are nonsense polls.

Yeah, I know. Quinnipiac polls shouldn't even be listed on the table here, nor should Gravis. Especially after that Wisconsin poll that came out today that contradicts everything Quinnipiac says.
28  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Why are white voters so Republican? on: August 19, 2015, 04:01:22 pm
Even outside the Northeast, there are certain white rural areas that are Democratic. For instance, the WI/IA border, the area around Tell City IN, or Elliott County KY, or maybe some counties southwest of St. Louis to an extent. I remember we had a thread about this a while ago, and I think someone (maybe it was me) said talk radio signals are very weak in those areas. These areas get radio from nearby cities, but the signals from the right-wing talk stations in the cities just don't happen to reach those areas.

For this same reason, there's actually some precincts in East Texas where Obama got a slim majority or >40% of the white vote. They happen to be in those slivers of land where Houston and Metroplex radio signals don't reach.

Cable TV might be unavailable there too. I'm pretty sure there are some rural areas (even near where I live) where cable isn't available.

In my opinion, this is a case where people who don't listen to radio or TV are actually better informed than those who do!
29  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Why are white voters so Republican? on: August 19, 2015, 03:48:59 pm
Even outside the Northeast, there are certain white rural areas that are Democratic. For instance, the WI/IA border, the area around Tell City IN, or Elliott County KY, or maybe some counties southwest of St. Louis to an extent. I remember we had a thread about this a while ago, and I think someone (maybe it was me) said talk radio signals are very weak in those areas. These areas get radio from nearby cities, but the signals from the right-wing talk stations in the cities just don't happen to reach those areas.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NC-PPP: GOP leads most match ups on: August 19, 2015, 09:57:58 am
A self-described socialist is losing North Carolina by as little as 3%. Now I've seen everything.

Let this sink in for a moment.

A self-described socialist is losing NORTH CAROLINA by only 3%.
31  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities on: August 19, 2015, 09:52:11 am
And there's actually some counties in southern Kentucky where Romney well exceeded 80%.
32  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities on: August 19, 2015, 09:50:47 am
Precincts aren't counties or cities though. Is there a COUNTY in PA or OH where Romney got 75% or more of the vote?

In Ohio, Romney topped 75% in Holmes and Mercer counties.
33  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities on: August 19, 2015, 09:20:58 am
I got the point from the get-go.

But here's what does bother me about the urban/rural voting debate: Democrats saying "the cities are where the population is!" Not necessarily.....it's just that cities vote much more lopsidedly for Democrats than rural areas do for Republicans. Obama got 85% of the vote in Philadelphia...I don't see anywhere in PA where Romney got anything close to that percentage. Or what if Obama had only won Philly with 60 or 65% of the vote?

So yeah, I'm all for democracy, but would Democrats stop trying to fool people about the reason they win states while losing more land area?

The city of Cincinnati was heavily for Obama - maybe 75% or so. But there are multiple precincts in Hamilton County where Romney topped 80%, and there's one where he even got 100%.

Louisville was strongly for Obama, but there's precincts in Kentucky where Romney topped 80%.

An acre or a parcel of land doesn't vote, but a person does.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Donald Trump (R) vs. Michael Bloomberg (D) vs. Mark Zuckerberg (I) on: August 18, 2015, 12:30:09 pm
I'd leave the country before I'd vote for this terrible slate.
35  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Why are white voters so Republican? on: August 18, 2015, 12:28:28 pm
Does the South skew the percentage, or are whites pretty damn Republican?

The South skews it. Outside the South, most whites are Democratic.
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Kentucky coal town blasts GOP for blocking Obama aid program on: August 17, 2015, 07:20:43 pm
It's satisfying to see something like this in rural Kentucky...

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9148975/kentucky-town-coal-obama

Is this going to hurt the GOP in the region's electoral politics? In my opinion, it really ought to.
37  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Morning Consult: Trump stable, Fiorina rises, Walker fades on: August 17, 2015, 03:52:06 pm
If Trump fades, who does his support go to?
38  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Hamilton County, Ohio on: August 15, 2015, 05:15:07 pm
Cincinnati is pretty right-wing for a major city outside the South. However, Hamilton County had a reasonable showing in the anti-gay marriage vote in 2004. 56% to ban gay marriage, only behind Athens, Franklin, and Cuyahoga.

That's interesting.  Suburban Republicans seem to be considerably less anti-gay than people in rural areas.  It's an issue where the urban/rural divide seems especially prominent.

It's true in Kentucky too. Campbell County was actually less supportive of the anti-gay marriage amendment than Elliott County was, although Elliott County's Democratic leanings are well documented,.
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities on: August 15, 2015, 03:23:28 pm
As a Kentuckian who has spent quite some time in Louisville as well as the rural areas in Northern Kentucky, I don't understand Bandit's claims that Kentucky would be an Atlas Red state if it wasn't for "voter fraud" or whatever.  Outside of Louisville liberals are a small minority, albeit a very vocal one.  And even in Louisville you'll find a sizable number of conservatives.  Most people outside of Jefferson County (Louisville) are conservatives or moderates.  In Oldham County, which borders Jefferson County, two thirds of voters voted for Romney.  Obama didn't even win 55% of the vote in Jefferson County, which was his best county in the state (the other 3 counties he won he won with less than 50% of the vote).   In a Republican landslide, I would not be surprised to see every county in the state go Atlas Blue.

Oldham County doesn't have nearly as many people as Jefferson County.
40  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Hamilton County, Ohio on: August 15, 2015, 08:40:48 am
One trouble spot is Green Township just west of the city. One of the big issues there is the attempts to keep Section 8 housing out of the township.
41  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Hamilton County, Ohio on: August 14, 2015, 10:12:03 pm
The right-wing base in greater Cincinnati is made up of people with a lot of money who think they're smarter than everyone else.

The map of Campbell County would be interesting. It has some white working-class areas that were strongly for Obama (even though Romney won the county as a whole). The Democratic base in Campbell County is mostly working-class whites.
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities on: August 14, 2015, 09:33:56 pm
BTW - Obama won Covington?

Yes and it wasn't even close.
43  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: New Democrat Coalition to Assert Themselves This Fall on: August 11, 2015, 05:37:21 pm
Get used to losing again, Democrats.
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: IA-PPP: Iowa is a tossup on: August 11, 2015, 02:31:42 pm
PPP has become a joke lately.
45  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: State Legislatures 1993-2017 on: August 08, 2015, 02:18:44 pm
It really is interesting how modest Dem gains of state legislative chambers were during 2006-08 vs. GOP gains during 1994, 2002, and 2010.  Downballot Dem problems are significantly older than Obama.

I think a lot of the problem is that there's a double standard. Republican candidates with absolutely NO experience with anything in life - politics, public service, law, farming, or anything - are promoted endlessly by The Media, while Democrats and others are shrugged off no matter how accomplished they are.
46  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does anybody here really think Jeb will be the nominee anymore? on: August 08, 2015, 07:46:02 am
The Tea Party generated no new support for conservative causes. They did energize the few who supported their causes already, and they did manage to bully public officials into catering to them.
47  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does anybody here really think Jeb will be the nominee anymore? on: August 07, 2015, 10:57:47 pm
It does seem strange, he's a relatively moderate (Tea Party wave standards) Governor from the 2000's who doesn't have much of a legacy outside of economic growth built on a housing bubble.
Yeah Jeb wasn't in office when The Tea Party was in vogue like Christie, Kasich, Rubio, and Walker were. That hurts him. Wasn't Jeb considered Hard-Right Wing in 1994 when he lost to Lawton Chiles(D) in his first run for Governor?

Jebby was hard-right-wing in 1994, and still is. So he could still win the nomination. But I think the GOP would prefer someone younger and still in office, such as Walker.
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does anybody here really think Jeb will be the nominee anymore? on: August 07, 2015, 12:11:04 pm
I still think it'll be Scott Walker.
49  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MN-PPP: Close race with Democrats slightly ahead; #DeezNutsmentum on: August 06, 2015, 08:57:12 am
Remember in 2004 when everyone said Bush would win New Jersey and Hawaii?
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is this the most progressive decade since the 1960's? on: August 06, 2015, 08:47:12 am
However when it comes to race relations (education equality, equal pay, reparations, integrated schools), welfare, prisons, Native American rights, corporate influence in elections, voting rights, and other issues of transferring wealth or privilege, the conversations are happening, but the actions remain weak or moving in the wrong direction.

In other words, progressive ideas are more popular now, but are less likely to be enacted.
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