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1  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ... on: April 19, 2015, 02:01:32 am
150.  The co-pilot's family lost a loved one too.

2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Kirk: People drive faster through Black Neighborhoods on: April 18, 2015, 09:42:02 pm
Damn, Kirk.

Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., up for re-election, told the Chicago Sun-Times he wont be talking about race or ethnicity in the future.

I would say that whenever a targeted member talks about race or ethnicity, it is impossible for him to get it right. So Ill leave it at that, Kirk said.

'Every time I start talking about race, people get upset.  I don't know why, but I've had enough!'
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Donald Trump's classy tweet about Clinton on: April 18, 2015, 07:11:01 pm
Now Wulfric is going to attack Clinton because she was cheated on.  The hang-ups are going to creep out of the woodwork in a big way this election, it seems...
4  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: please ban countryclasssf on: April 18, 2015, 07:00:53 pm
He routinely makes posts of the same quality.
I'm sorry I don't keep tabs on every single poster...

I'll make a note of that in my database.
5  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: please ban countryclasssf on: April 18, 2015, 06:49:26 pm
He routinely makes posts of the same quality.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you vote on the TPP? on: April 18, 2015, 06:12:22 pm
Against.  From what I understand, this will extend the more generous American patent system to other signatories, meaning that if medicine is created in America, it will be longer before pharmaceutical companies in other countries would begin making cheaper generic versions of patented medication.  Anything that extends US observation of patents, and indeed intellectual property law, further entrenches another portion of the world in a system that nobody, American or not, should really want.  It should not be even easier to protect US pharmaceutical profits in a time when they are already heavily subsidized by the federal government; no, spreading the perverse medicine-for-profit approach on an international scale is unthinkable.  I also have concerns that giving multinational corporations a larger say in international courts, where they would have the opportunity to sue governments that threaten their investments, could have a catastrophic impact on attempts to protect the environment worldwide, among other adverse effects.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific v. Poirot on: April 18, 2015, 05:30:43 pm
I don't care for Mr Griffin's word choice with respect to the Governor at all, but I still would prefer further clarification as to how 'bronyism' or 'ponyism' are legally defined and what threat to public health and safety it is meant to constitute.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Inappropriate content on the forum on: April 18, 2015, 12:09:42 am
I must say I'm rather surprised by the reaction here on Forum. We have a religious person trying to impose its beliefs on us, using a rather flimsy derivative of "think of the children!". Usually, such demand would be mocked and rejected as being "another social conservative forcing his values on us". Apparently, people are afraid to say the trust when it's a non-Christian.

I must have missed all of that religious posturing and qu'ran quoting since it appears to be fictional.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Wayne LaPierre: "One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough" on: April 17, 2015, 10:18:08 pm

Wulfric sets aside a moderate number of issues to be bigoted on, so as to not appear liberal on the issue of bigotry.

I don't like Hillary because of her political views, so for the moment, I agree with this.

You do not have to support Clinton to find this comment reprehensible.  Unless, of course, you actually agree that one change from the status quo of white men is just the right amount for 45 presidents.  Rushing diversity much?
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Wayne LaPierre: "One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough" on: April 17, 2015, 10:16:34 pm
I've grown a little tired of racist comments from Republicans these past 8 years so I will admit I am curious what kinds of sexist comments the Republicans will say during this campaign.

Then don't be a Republican!

I don't think he'd appreciate the insinuation.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: New South Wales State Election, 2015 on: April 17, 2015, 07:52:45 pm

The AJP snagged the last seat, and (as far as I know) its very first state level seat in Australia.

That pleases me for some reason.

It's good news for a couple of reasons:
- The AJP is new, and this is only its second contested election.  For them to beat out the No Land Tax Party for the final seat with a campaign budget of $12,000 was both not predicted but also gives them a leg up in establishing themselves as a political fixture, which is important because
- Mark Pearson, leader of Animals Liberation Australia, will be the first ever Australian politician elected as a voice to represent animals, and he is a legitimate and credible voice who will be able to, hopefully, negotiate against the 'ag gag' laws increasing penalties for exposure of animal cruelty, and then we can maybe look at a ban on puppy farms, get rid of greyhound racing, and other nasties that are currently tolerated...
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why do some Republicans hate President Obama that much? on: April 17, 2015, 07:33:36 pm
Frankly, because he's a racist islamist  demagogue who got elected on a false premise of "changing the way politics is done" - when he has undoubtedly been the most hyperpartisan liberal president this country has ever had.

And that may be the cup of tea for the far-left, the problem is he portrayed himself as a completely different person.

He did change DC, but not for the better. The country is more divided than ever and more polarized than ever. There's more racial tension than ever. 

More racial tension than Reconstruction?

You know, it's just a ludicrous give-away, the sort of thing Reaganfan would say.  'Just look at this increased racial tension!  Thanks Obama!  Uppity blacks need to respect the police!'  Yes, yes; we understand.  The "racial tension" is worse than ever, because for the first time you feel like someone from the Other race is going to take away your privileges.  What a difficult time this must be for CountryClassSF.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for TPP on: April 17, 2015, 06:44:27 pm
Yeah, the export of the United States' hitherto almost uniquely terrible intellectual property regime all over the Pacific Rim really is the most intolerable and indefensible part of this, and it's (obviously) one for which this country has nobody but itself to blame.

Exactly. In any case, it will do no further harm inside the US: all the harm has already been done.

We really don't want this garbage over here.

The TPP has been well known within politically aware circles for several months now as a severe threat to Australian consumers.  As much as we might respect America's love for intellectual property, nobody appreciates getting letters from film distributors demanding thousands of dollars up front to avoid a costly court case.  Nobody is thrilled about 'adapting' to higher US prices for medication, or 'adapting' to the needs of US corporations that wish to ignore environmental and/or labor protections.

Indeed, Australia discovered this recently as Philip Morris Ltd moved in an international court to challenge their plain cigarette packaging legislation, abandoning local mechanisms to defeat the restrictions as there existed no good will for the tobacco industry.  We're quite concerned that this could become a regular occurrence.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: April 2015 At-large Senate Election on: April 17, 2015, 06:24:39 pm
1. Lief
2. Polnut
3. Blair2015
4. Cris
5. NCYankee
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Pacific v. Poirot on: April 17, 2015, 12:06:36 pm
I would appreciate some elaboration from the Governor as to how Mr Poirot and his presence constitute a threat to public health.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Wayne LaPierre: "One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough" on: April 17, 2015, 12:01:30 pm

wait, what?
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Pacific Voting Booth: April 2015 Gubernatorial and Legislative Council Elections on: April 11, 2015, 10:05:38 pm

1. Simfan34 


1. Gully Foyle
2. Trkisblau
3. Write-In: Superique
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Even Hillary's critics admit she's inevitable on: April 11, 2015, 06:00:01 pm
Actually, Lincoln Chafee has even odds to win the nomination.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: opinion of bizarro atlas? on: April 11, 2015, 05:54:08 pm
So far pretty terrible. My legitimate post which merely pointed out the oddness of Bushie's bizzare post in the "More Americans Will Use Food Stamps For Thanksgiving This Year Than Ever Before" thread was deleted for RULE 5- TROLLING OR DERAILING A DISCUSSION.

Originally Posted by OklahomaDemocrat
Compared to 2008 or 2012 absolutely they will. There is no candidate of their ethnicity on the ballot. Still, though, it will be majorly lopsided as always.

Originally Posted by XXXXXXX
Wait, did you mean to reply to a different thread? If not, yikes.
(Redacted to preserve my cover)

Oddly, Bushie's original, actually off-topic post was left undisturbed, as were two posts substantially similar to mine by two of our own.

Needless to say, I was very confused and tried to reply to the moderator's pm to clarify what I'd done wrong. But of course, new posters can't send pms, even to reply to ones that someone sends them Roll Eyes

Jesus, so he goes to a forum full of racists and just blends right in, huh?  Truly despicable.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Lincoln Chafee launches presidential exploratory committee on: April 11, 2015, 05:07:08 pm
From the subsequent reporting on this, it sounds like Chafee is prepared to be the anti-Clinton attack dog in a way that O'Malley, Webb, etc. are not:


He also looked to demonstrate he is not afraid to attack Clinton, at the same time that other Democrats considering run -- former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb and Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders -- have shied away from direct attacks.

"Considering the premise for invading Iraq was based on falsehoods and considering the ramifications we live with now from that mistake, I would argue that anybody who voted for the Iraq War should not be president and certainly should not be leading the Democratic Party," Chafee said in a phone interview with CNN.

"Yes," Chafee said when asked if he plans on making the Iraq War central to his campaign against Clinton. "That's one of our big differences."

This is excellent.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 10, 2015, 07:29:41 pm
Surely if he was fighting against ISIS, he gets a medal rather than a jail term?

Any fighting overseas unauthorised by the government is illegal, although I'm surprised they are actually going through with threatening jail time.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the word "firewall" on: April 10, 2015, 06:57:50 pm
Firewalls protect us from virus.  The Democratic firewall protects us from plague.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of eCigs (vaping) on: April 10, 2015, 06:54:51 pm
Ebowed...your hang ups about what you put in your body are....your problems.  Vaping is safer than smoking.  Period.

Absolutely; I agree.  It's just that I support regulating it in the same way as tobacco (which it largely seems to be, over here - i.e. must be 18 to purchase, I haven't seen it advertised outside of the Internet, etc.).  I think anything that gets less people smoking cigarettes is a good thing.
24  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of eCigs (vaping) on: April 10, 2015, 06:21:31 pm
Well, as a smoker who'd like to quit, I don't care for their taste or the sensation.  From a public health perspective, as they carry many of the same risks (and potentially others) as traditional cigarettes, it's probably not a viable alternative and should be scrutinised to the same regulatory extent that tobacco is.  Not to say that I'd discourage anyone from using it; my brother used one to avoid cigarettes and it seemed to work for him.  But I don't see any indication that it is some sort of cure for rampant nicotine addiction.  Secondhand smoke is just one problem, and admittedly a major one, presented by smoking.  The costs associated with ailments that smokers experience still ultimately affect all of us.

How so?  There is no tobacco in them.  Nicotine in and of itself is not what kills the smoker.  I know these are very obvious to you but how can inhaling tobacco smoke and flavored water vapor carry the same risks?  None of this has been proven, and most anti-eCig propaganda is funded by

1. Pharmaceutical and insurance industry, who want you to chill out with their poison.

2. Tobacco companies, obviously.

The enemy of thy enemy is thy friend, yes?  This is why the common man should be so fed up with the system in which we live. You MAY NOT have your cake and eat it, too, unless someone more powerful than you is profiting.  And the eCig manufacturers are pipsqueaks compared to Pharm Inc. and their collection of monsters.

To be honest, links to the tobacco industry are of great concern because any claims they make about health are obviously inherently dubious.  My understanding is that any product with nicotine, even if not containing tobacco, still carries health risks as nicotine itself is one of the thousands of carcinogens in tobacco smoke.  If smoking is to be addressed from a public health perspective, it seems imperative to discourage nicotine use.  Anyone still addicted to nicotine but attempting to abstain from cigarettes would seem far more likely to end up smoking than someone who neither smokes nor vapes.  It is true that some alternatives like Swedish snus might be healthier than smoking, but it's already illegal (at least in Australia) for cigarettes to be branded as 'low-tar' or 'low-nicotine' because to do so would imply a 'safer' or 'healthier' cigarette, and the medical community agrees that there is no such thing.  As for snus and other smokeless tobacco, it's illegal here, although I have tried it.  I didn't care for it either (or indeed, cigars, pipe tobacco, or any variety other than plain old regular flavoured cigarettes).  And indeed, it wouldn't be my prerogative to try to dissuade anyone from using whatever method of replacement therapy they felt might work for them.  There are disposable eCigs sold here that don't contain nicotine, and they are absolutely pointless, and I haven't seen very many people using them at all (they are available virtually anywhere that sells cigarettes).
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What do you Value More? on: April 10, 2015, 06:10:17 pm
The greater good (socialist)

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