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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 24, 2016, 09:42:18 pm
So just to be sure I understand, you're not interested in discussing specific problems with ignorant concern trolls? You'd rather accuse me of having bigoted predilections? Well, here's a question for you: what is my racial background? I mean, you've got all the answers, so go ahead and tell me who it is you think I am, and how it is that I can't make a comment about crime without - gasp - generating an irrational response about anything but crime? So go ahead, explain what you mean by my "obsession with keeping America pure". What ethnicity am I? And why does my bothering to string sentences together to form a cogent argument offend you so badly? You probably should ignore anyone who doesn't agree with your views, that way, pal, you needn't have to worry about being called on to do that somewhat difficult thing called thinking.

I couldn't care less about your background, friend-o, as your views have done the hard work of telling your story for you.

I'm sure you have your own immigrant history - no doubt hard working LAW ABIDING - to fall back on in those times where you feel the need to tout your superiority to others.

Your legalistic, simplistic attitude can only get you so far.  Yes, we understand that you are incapable of thinking beyond "immigrants who aren't even supposed to be here."  You've made that abundantly clear.  And you don't get a free pass because you think you're special, or whatever it is that you're trying to imply.  That doesn't change anything I said and I stand by it 100%.  You're a bigoted simpleton and you've shown that time and time again.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ivanka's hubby got preferential treament to get into Harvard.......... on: July 24, 2016, 07:28:01 pm
Thanks for pointing this out, Winfield.  Trump and his family may be the NASCAR-loving, Chef Boyardee-eating, plastic-licking rednecks of the criminally wealthy class, but they are still dues paying members, and it's anecdotes like this which remind us just how much special treatment that disgusting amoral man has received simply for being born with a silver jackboot on his foot.

The idea that Trump cares about working families is possibly the most outrageous lie of this election.

Is Trump going to get everyone a world class education?  Or is he going to send all of us to Trump University?  In your heart, you know the right answer.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 24, 2016, 07:20:35 pm
SillyAmerican, love your username.  Very apt.  Listen, pal, your selective outrage is getting really tiresome.  I don't suppose you devote nearly as much energy to caring about the thousands of Americans murdered by their fellow citizens each year because that would entail coming up with solutions to the ubiquity of firearms or an actual way of addressing the poverty and despair that ravages so many communities.  Instead, it's much easier to take off your thinking cap and complain about the comparatively isolated selection of cases where - gasp - an undocumented person committed the crime, exposing the enormous failure of our immigration system for all to see.  In fact, it's almost like we aren't even talking about crime anymore.  No, now we're talking about your obsession with keeping America pure.  And see how tiresome that is?  Not everybody shares your bigoted predilections.  It may be worth keeping that in mind the next time you bother stringing those sentences together again in the vain effort to convince anybody that you are anything other than an ignorant concern troll.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton's campaign manager: Russia helping Trump on: July 24, 2016, 07:11:36 pm
This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.

Maybe you missed it, but Donald Trump is clearly beholden to the few remaining RNC donors (mainly the ultra rich as well as the fossil fuel industry), which is why his economic "policy" is so laughably recycled from dolts like Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.  It's easy to lose sight in all of the racist conjecture about crime and immigration, but the fat man is running on trickle down economics and abolishing the EPA.

Trump is pretty clearly the little bitch of the Republican party and it's embarrassing that low-information people think he would do anything to improve their own personal financial situation.  A sad indictment on America's education system.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: July 23, 2016, 07:55:57 pm
As I understand it, Rubio goes to both Catholic *and* Protestant services

You could say he swings both ways.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 07:52:53 pm
You're right, the pro-worker agenda of HRC is impeccable in comparison:

- Flood the market with cheap labour by opening America's borders. Millions of Americans who rely on manual labour to put food on the table may find their jobs imperilled, but think of the savings that wealthy suburbanites will reap by being able to pay subhuman wages to their new gardeners, landscapers, and maids.

- Sign expansive international trade agreements that make it impossible for American businesses to compete in the domestic market. The countless Americans who will find themselves on the welfare rolls will be able to buy plenty of cheap Mexican and Chinese goods with their new EBT cards.

- Invade more middle eastern countries. Iran has been asking for it for years. Laid-off workers will be able to enlist and earn a decent living by killing brown people!

- Put the coal industry out of business and replace it with nothing. Those 55 year old coal miners will definitely go back to school to become computer programmers.

At last I truly see.


Champ, I don't know where you get off talking about invasions when Trump is going to "take out" ISIS by invading Saudi Arabia to steal their oil, or whatever his incoherent empire-building plan is supposed to entail, but it's laughable.  But keep pretending to be the champion of peace while you hide behind a racist demagogue...

The coal industry is dying regardless of whether you want to acknowledge it or not.  The question is whether we adapt to changing economic circumstances (and take cues from scientific evidence) by retraining workers and moving towards renewable energies or bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a billionaire jack-off actually gives even the slightest s*it about the working poor in West Virginia.

And thanks for proving, as always, that poor people have to compete against those scoundrel immigrants in order to have a fighting chance in Trump's dystopian economic hellscape.  No, we couldn't possibly look after everybody while getting the rich to pay their fair share.  Because your member of the billionaire class presidential candidate wants to give himself a tax cut, it can only be one.

Kudos for trying, but come back when you have some basic understanding of what it's actually like to be poor.  Real poor people aren't foaming at the mouth because illegal immigrants caused them to rack up a credit card debt.  They're just trying to survive in a rigged economy which your idiot candidate is only going to exacerbate.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 23, 2016, 07:04:42 pm
Wealthy white man to working-class Americans: "America doesn't belong to you".

No, it doesn't. Now go away.

We'll have to wait for November 8th to see how well the "we run the show around here, prole scum" message goes over with voters.

So adorable watching far-rightists attempt to convince us that they actually care about the working poor.

Remind me of your candidate's economic policies?

- Deregulate business.  That will make it easier to get a job since more folks will be dying at work!
- Cut taxes.  That will make it easier to get a job since rich people like to spread their wealth voluntarily!
- Abolish the EPA.  That will make it easier to get a job because everyone who is unemployed right now wants to relocate to Alaska to drill polar bears for bile.
- Establish LAW and ORDER.  That will make it easier to get a job as a prison security guard because we're going to need to build a lot more camps to get rid of all the troublemakers.

Oh, thank you, thank you so much for looking out for my future.  I really feel like my minimum wage job is finally appreciated by the rich asshole that runs the country now. Roll Eyes
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary falters, does Tim Kaine have what it takes to save the day? on: July 23, 2016, 07:39:33 am
This is only somewhat helpful being edited the way it is, but Tim Kaine certainly seems competent in this video, and certainly his attack landed way better than George Allen's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zme1g_LT24
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine ticket? on: July 23, 2016, 07:24:26 am
Clinton didn't need to pick a walking bottle of Nyquil to project stability.

Oh for heaven's sake.  Politics aren't supposed to be entertainment.  Tim Kaine is a serious, progressive and compelling choice who is absolutely qualified to be President.

You want an "exciting" VP choice?  Then pick Sarah Palin.  But leave the Democrats out of it.

Oh please. Despite how much it offends the senses of policy wonks and other assorted political junkies, campaigns are won and lost on the enthusiasm of rubes and low info voters. Tim Kaine brings nothing to the table in that respect.

Oh, OK.  I guess Trump really knocked that one out of the park by picking an empty suit and failed governor from a flyover state.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton picks Kaine for veep on: July 22, 2016, 09:19:02 pm
No one cares about the TPP.

I listen to a popular, progressive, and union friendly talk radio show in the Madison, WI area (with a big enough signal to go into Northern Illinois and Eastern Iowa) and anti-TPP and anti-free trade is the main issue on almost every show. The issue resonates with people.

People it resonates with should vote Trump.

Asinine, I have to tell you that you are an absolutely terrible advocate for your causes.

We already have free trade agreements with the countries in the TPP.  Opposing the TPP is not the same thing as being anti-free trade.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine ticket? on: July 22, 2016, 08:15:01 pm
This was quite the snub to the Bernie people...

I don't agree at all, in fact I'm struggling to understand how anybody could interpret this as anything other than an entirely reasonable, progressive choice.

Is Tim Kaine perfect?  No, but neither was Bernie Sanders.

What the hell is Donald Trump going to do to address income inequality, or the environment, or racism, or practically anything that matters?  It's a total joke to say that there isn't "enough" of a difference between Clinton and Trump.  There's an enormous difference and it's not just about 'moderate' vs 'batsh**t crazy', it's right versus wrong.  I can guarantee that Donald Trump will never create a single payer health care system.  He's never going to make any meaningful reform to higher education that actually benefits people (his track record on this is creating a scam university, after all).  His foreign policy is beyond insane and the threat of his election is routinely mentioned in international media as a destabilizing event.  So don't think for a second that he's going to do anything productive, or helpful, for the country.  I just hope for the sake of millions of people in the USA who are fearing for their safety and their lives right now, because of the toxic hate speech that the Republicans espouse everyday, that sanity prevails.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kaine vs. Pence VP debate discussion thread on: July 22, 2016, 08:00:22 pm
OMG IT WILL BE SO BORING SO BORING SO BORING TOTAL SNOOZEFEST
oh wait 80% of us will watch it

Yeah that sounds about right.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Pence lied about WMDs in Iraq in 2004 on: July 22, 2016, 07:58:07 pm
Not surprising that Pence is dishonest.  After all, if an industry pays him enough, he'll say anything.  That's why he's skeptical of condoms and climate change, but believes that smoking tobacco is just fine and dandy.

Of course, the real *smoking gun* is that he was willing to join a ticket led by a racist basket case.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine ticket? on: July 22, 2016, 07:49:00 pm
Clinton didn't need to pick a walking bottle of Nyquil to project stability.

Oh for heaven's sake.  Politics aren't supposed to be entertainment.  Tim Kaine is a serious, progressive and compelling choice who is absolutely qualified to be President.

You want an "exciting" VP choice?  Then pick Sarah Palin.  But leave the Democrats out of it.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine ticket? on: July 22, 2016, 07:31:36 pm
I don't get why people don't like Kaine. He's a great choice, and a solid progressive, especially considering he represents a swing state.

One thing I've always liked about him is his opposition to capital punishment.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the Clinton/Kaine ticket? on: July 22, 2016, 07:18:55 pm
They've got my vote.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Effectiveness of Ivanka Trump's speech? on: July 22, 2016, 07:11:40 pm
It was decent enough political theater but she sort of forgot to mention the central component of her father's campaign, which is that we're going to round up 11 million people, deport them, split up families, and then proceed to deregulate business and watch as the country becomes a fracked serfdom.

I think the lack of focus on that was intellectually dishonest.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Stewart Has a Message for Trump Supporters on: July 22, 2016, 07:09:34 pm
So says the Hollywood leftists.  Yeah, we all must obey and a vote for Hillary Clinton.   

Nobody cares about you, least of all your candidate Donald Trump.  Do whatever you want.  Hollywood leftists aren't telling you to do anything.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Maricopa County (AZ)/Lincoln Strategy Group (R): Trump+9 on: July 22, 2016, 07:05:47 pm
Dang it, Arpaio is a very good sheriff.

He's a disgusting criminal but it's not a surprise a former advocate of beheading women for terminating their pregnancies would like him.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 'Art of the Deal' ghostwriter regrets helping Trump, calls him 'Sociopath' on: July 19, 2016, 06:18:49 pm
"Get's the nuclear codes!!11!"

Can we stop with this meme? The President doesn't have the unilateral authority to utilize America's nuclear arsenal.

To be fair, Trump's hands are too small to single-handedly launch the codes.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Melania's speech on: July 19, 2016, 05:30:54 pm
Does anyone else expect Mike Pence to start waving his arms around during his keynote, exclaiming "OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD AND GENERAL MOTORS IS ALIVE!" ?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: In other news, the Pub platform still is anti gay, all the way on: July 19, 2016, 05:28:33 pm
but at least it's just a gesture, not like any of this would ever find itself in legislation.

It would eventually if they win a few consecutive elections.  If you don't condone this sort of behavior, don't reward it.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton: Joining A Gang Is Like Having A Family on: July 19, 2016, 05:25:04 pm
This thread gave me cancer.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary's "Confessions of A Republican" ad on: July 19, 2016, 05:21:48 pm
How is this ad anything but brilliant, especially for a bunch of so-called political junkies?
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: July 2016 Fremont Elections VOTING BOOTH on: July 17, 2016, 01:20:56 am
Fremont Governor
[  2 ] tedbessell
[  1 ] Write-in: 1184AZ

Fremont Council:
[  1 ] 1184AZ
[  6 ] GAWorth
[  5 ] Heisenberg
[  2 ] Pikachu
[  4 ] RFayette
[  3 ] TN volunteer

Constitutional Amendment:
[ X] AYE
[   ] NAY
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