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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 08:45:03 pm
Like I said earlier, I have two things tomorrow.  A 1000 interview in SW OKC and a career fair in Tulsa at 1300ish.  The Tulsa career fair is said to have "on-the-spot consideration".  I'm definitely in a position where I'm going to take the first job that hires me.  My preference would be the Tulsa job even though it pays quite a bit less.  However, with a $15.00 CAD job, I have to try my best at the OKC Interview.  If I do get the OKC job, since it is only a 3-6 month contract, I would still probably keep my apartment in Tulsa and maybe spend the weekends there.  I could go back to Tulsa after my contract at work is up and resume my CAD search up there.  It would give me 3-6 months additional experience which may make a huge difference in future CAD jobs.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:52:37 pm
What all this talk today boils down to is that I should not stop doing what I'm doing. Everybody (except Gustaf) wants me to succeed, but thinks I should be doing things a little differently.  I think I'm doing what I need to be doing, but I do realize I could be making a few changes.  I am doing everything I need to for tomorrow.  That's all I can focus on right now is Tuesday.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:47:42 pm
I can't say that I want Bushie to succeed. He has done nothing to deserve success and isn't a particularly good person. If I had time or money to spend on helping someone it would be a person who was working hard under difficult circumstances and deserved a break.

At least you're honest.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:45:31 pm
Trying to look is one part of it but you're not actively becoming someone who can succeed at a job. Unless you get a job as a professional application filler outer, filling out applications isn't preparing for anything.

I have been looking at the company's website extensively and looking through the interview prep material my recruiter gave me.  So, I believe I am preparing for something.  Now, will it land me the job?  We'll see, but I'm doing everything I can to make sure I get it.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:35:02 pm
Even this evening, while I watch Monday Night Football, I am going to prepare for my interview and I have been job searching all day and all evening.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:33:04 pm
Sure, I have bad luck on the job search, I am not denying that.  Some of it has been self-inflicted.  I'm not denying that, either.  But, that doesn't mean I am not trying to look for meaningful work.  I look for jobs all day long and have been preparing for my interview all day long when I haven't been posting on the forum.  I take time to enjoy myself, as everybody should, but I do take the time to improve myself.  I haven't been home since Thursday so I can't practice my CAD.  I can practice and watch TV at the same time and I don't have to spend all my time on it, either.  I need to spend more than I'm doing now, but I don't need to practice it for hours and hours every single, solitary day.  I am very good at public speaking (I am a supply preacher).
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:21:15 pm
You've gained a lot of weight from doing no physical exercise since 1999. You'd do about the same or worse.

Hating yourself during off hours is a recipe for quitting/getting fired aka unemployable. If you are going to hate yourself off hours, you aren't fit to do the job.

It's not a stumbling block on its own, but combined with your other problems, it makes it difficult to find something for you to do. If you were fit but had Tourettes and ADHD, there are things you could do. If you had Tourettes and obesity but not ADHD, there are things you could do. All things combined? There's not one task that wouldn't be physically painful or mentally/emotionally straining on you.

You like the idea of working, but you can't actually work. You've proven that time and time again.

So, you're God now?  I didn't know that...

I... I don't get the connection with what I said and God.

You think you know definitively that I can't work?  Only God knows that.  Not you. 
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:14:01 pm
Let me just say, I don't have all the answers, either, and I do value your advice, but I value constructive advice, not posts that attack my abilities.

See, you don't understand what constructive advice is. All of the advice here has been constructive. What you are looking for is for us to blindly cheer you on as you walk towards another dead end like your family/friends do when we know how it will end. You have strengths and you have weaknesses. We all do. "Thinking" about things harder or focusing harder on things doesn't always lead to success.

I don't think any Updaters want to see you fail, but you are by far your biggest enemy. Sometimes I wonder if you even read what you are saying.

I know my abilities and I am an excellent judge of my own abilities.  The forum as a whole (not all, but most) says I have no meaningful abilities, thinks I am mentally ill, thinks i am worthless to society, etc.  Or, at least that's what I get from it.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 06:48:28 pm
Let me just say, I don't have all the answers, either, and I do value your advice, but I value constructive advice, not posts that attack my abilities.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 06:45:14 pm
Nothing what King has mentioned is truthful.  He doesn't have any of the answers.  I certainly know more about my abilities and what I can do than he does.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 06:40:12 pm
So, tomorrow, I have a CAD interview at 1000 and then will go straight to a Tulsa Career Fair afterwords.  I know no one here believes I will get either job, but is it wrong or misguided for me to have faith in myself and my abilities?

You've demonstrated shoddy abilities time and time again (see: All Update, King's Post), that end up getting you fired from a wide variety of employers. But this isn't where the Atlas community damns you. The community has continually stepped in again and again and told you explicitly things you could and must do to improve your life. You could do CAD(D) prep, or interview prep, learn to cook, or exercise, but you opt to do none of these things and instead sleep for 12 hours, watch TV for 10, nap for 1.5, and then fill out job applications for half an hour.

Wow, you are completely misguided.  I do not always sleep for 12 hours, that's a rarity.  Watching TV for 10+ hours is only on weekends.  I job search and prep for interviews ALL DARN DAY!!!!!  You have absolutely zero right of accusing me otherwise.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 05:55:24 pm
So, tomorrow, I have a CAD interview at 1000 and then will go straight to a Tulsa Career Fair afterwords.  I know no one here believes I will get either job, but is it wrong or misguided for me to have faith in myself and my abilities?
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 05:50:17 pm
bushie were you fired from kfc?

No, I left on my own.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 05:15:18 pm
You've gained a lot of weight from doing no physical exercise since 1999. You'd do about the same or worse.

Hating yourself during off hours is a recipe for quitting/getting fired aka unemployable. If you are going to hate yourself off hours, you aren't fit to do the job.

It's not a stumbling block on its own, but combined with your other problems, it makes it difficult to find something for you to do. If you were fit but had Tourettes and ADHD, there are things you could do. If you had Tourettes and obesity but not ADHD, there are things you could do. All things combined? There's not one task that wouldn't be physically painful or mentally/emotionally straining on you.

You like the idea of working, but you can't actually work. You've proven that time and time again.

So, you're God now?  I didn't know that...
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 04:47:51 pm
Bushie, muscles lift grease pans not minds. If by "put your mind to it" you mean hit the gym and do some squats until you have enough lower body strength to carry the grease, yes, but I know you well enough to know you mean "Focus on Grease Pans" aka do nothing but hope.

If your back hurts from standing too long and your cardio system makes you exhausted from moving around too much, there's nothing mentally you can do about it.  You're going to be in tremendous pain.

Now, if you want to get on a diet of lean meats, fruits, and vegetables, and get a personal trainer, and work out every day, and lose a bunch of weight instead of getting a job, IMO that would be tremendously worth it and would make you far more employable. But we know that's not going to happen. As you are physically, combined with your ADHD and Tourette's you are unemployable at more than the minimum wage. Perhaps unemployable period.

To be fair, my lone fast food experience was 15 years ago at the end of my sophomore year of high school in May 1999 at the local KFC.  I don't really know what I could do now.

On the standing and moving, like I said I may hate myself during my off-hours, as in being in pain, but I could still do it.

I respectfully disagree that I'm unemployable.  My Tourette's are not a stumbling block to employers because they know it's not my fault that I have it and most of the time, my tics don't show up.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 04:37:06 pm
i think im worth $20/hour.  im not getting paid $20.  So i think i will just go in and quit my job.

/bushielogic

That is not my logic at all.  My logic is, I'm worth $20, I likely won't get paid $20, but I won't quit my job.  You notice my low end threshold is nearly half of what I think I'm worth.  I fully understand others may not think I'm worth $20.  Some may think less, but some may think more.  That's why I said worth does not factor into my job search at all or my consideration of a job.

"My low end threshold is nearly half of what I think I'm worth. . . worth does not factor into my job search at all."

The lowest wage you'll accept is $11/hour but you will not take that into consideration when looking for a job?

I just need a job, a good job that I can get closer to funding my own bills.  I can't do that very easy with anything less than $11.00.  I "might" consider $10.00 if I find the right opportunity, but definitely not single digits.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 04:32:43 pm
Bushie, stating you physically get easily exhausted, can't do the physical labor to work fast food, mentally do not improve fast enough in your educated field, mentally are prone to boneheaded mistakes, emotionally struggle with customer service interaction, etc. only paints a picture that you are completely unfit for any kind of employment.

Given your monetary demands and your admitted shortcomings, I couldn't create a stable job for you if I tried. I've worked in offices a long time and just running through all the tasks that have to be performed from bottom to top:

>File clerk, a lot of bending, standing, moving around. No.
>Mail clerk, can't live heavy shipped items like paper and bottled water. No.
>Front receptionist, not physically attractive for customers. No.
>Secretary/general clerk, can't answer the phones. No.
>Custodian, too much physical labor. No.
>Proofreader, ADHD and slow at learning to understand new material. No.
>Accountant, paralegal, bookkeeping, server administration, etc., etc. no education credentials

Okay, you have gone too far in the other direction.  I can work almost a lot of jobs.  If I put my mind to it, I could lift that grease pan.  I could stand behind the counter at the department store.  I've got a lot of things I can do if I set my mind to it and that was my means of paying my bills.  I may hate myself in the evenings or in my off-hours just by being dog tired, but I can do it.  I may be a wimp, but I'm not totally useless.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 04:27:40 pm
i think im worth $20/hour.  im not getting paid $20.  So i think i will just go in and quit my job.

/bushielogic

That is not my logic at all.  My logic is, I'm worth $20, I likely won't get paid $20, but I won't quit my job.  You notice my low end threshold is nearly half of what I think I'm worth.  I fully understand others may not think I'm worth $20.  Some may think less, but some may think more.  That's why I said worth does not factor into my job search at all or my consideration of a job.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 04:07:06 pm
If Bushie was worth $20/hour then he would have no problem not being fired from jobs that pay just over half of that.

I can't let it get to me despite the repeated drops, if that's what you mean.  Clearly I need to do things differently the next time, but I'm not let it bothering me any more than showing me where I need to change.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 03:59:34 pm
Also, once again, construction/demolition companies don't pay horribly, and they'll even hire ex-convicts, so you shouldn't have a problem getting a job.
That's hard work though. We should find him something air conditioned and comfortable.

Yeah, as much as I appreciate the suggestion, I wouldn't last a day, maybe two, there.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 03:50:25 pm
Jeff, I know the "worth" question comes across as offensive, but it's actually reasonably good interview preparation. Why do you believe that you're worth $20 an hour ... or $11 an hour? Your honest answer as to the attributes that could make you worth that amount (rather than a "my parents have discussed and determined that's what I need to make" answer) may help you think through what you bring to the table ... and maybe reveal some deficiencies, as well.

Additionally -- and I think this is a question worth pondering and answering -- why aren't you considering two jobs? I agree with you that $11.00 an hour multiplied by 2,080 hours per year is better for you than $8.00 an hour. BUT -- if your own employment background or skillset don't lend themselves to a stable and consistent $11.00 an hour position (and so far, they flat-out have not), isn't it worth considering two jobs -- one full time and one part time -- that pay less but are more-stable for you? It's not as if you don't have the time for a part-time job, and millions who find themselves in similar financial circumstances pursue two jobs as an option.

As far as the two jobs, I get worn out very easily.  I've answered this before, but I've always been attacked for it, but if I take on too many things on my plate, burn out comes very fast.  I have actually physically passed out from being too tired.  Two jobs would almost certainly eliminate my weekends, leaving me virtually no time to rest.  It would be more disastrous to my health than my eating and exercise habits.  I physically cannot work two jobs.  I admire those who can, but I physically cannot.  It's not because I'm lazy, but it's my personal health.

And the first part of the post?

I'm still trying to think of what to say.  To use a funny, I know anything I say can and will be used against me in the court of the Atlas Forum, so I'm trying to carefully construct my words. Smiley
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 03:22:08 pm
Why not apply to all jobs you are qualified for and know you can do? The worst that can happen is turning them down for a better offer.


I already do that.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 03:21:47 pm
Jeff, I know the "worth" question comes across as offensive, but it's actually reasonably good interview preparation. Why do you believe that you're worth $20 an hour ... or $11 an hour? Your honest answer as to the attributes that could make you worth that amount (rather than a "my parents have discussed and determined that's what I need to make" answer) may help you think through what you bring to the table ... and maybe reveal some deficiencies, as well.

Additionally -- and I think this is a question worth pondering and answering -- why aren't you considering two jobs? I agree with you that $11.00 an hour multiplied by 2,080 hours per year is better for you than $8.00 an hour. BUT -- if your own employment background or skillset don't lend themselves to a stable and consistent $11.00 an hour position (and so far, they flat-out have not), isn't it worth considering two jobs -- one full time and one part time -- that pay less but are more-stable for you? It's not as if you don't have the time for a part-time job, and millions who find themselves in similar financial circumstances pursue two jobs as an option.

As far as the two jobs, I get worn out very easily.  I've answered this before, but I've always been attacked for it, but if I take on too many things on my plate, burn out comes very fast.  I have actually physically passed out from being too tired.  Two jobs would almost certainly eliminate my weekends, leaving me virtually no time to rest.  It would be more disastrous to my health than my eating and exercise habits.  I physically cannot work two jobs.  I admire those who can, but I physically cannot.  It's not because I'm lazy, but it's my personal health.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 02:35:37 pm
Even if I did take a lower-paying job.  Why would I apply to a job that pays, say, $9.00 over a job that pays $11-$12 that I am equally qualified for on paper?

Tomorrow for instance, my interview pays $15.00 an hour for 3-6 months contract and it is a CAD job.  I will go to a job fair in Tulsa right after that which has consideration on the spot and pays $11.50 an hour for a permanent opportunity.  Obviously, I will try as hard as I can for the $15.00 job because it is CAD and it may lead to another CAD job.  Though, if I get offered the $11.50 job right away, you bet I will take it even though it pays $13.50 an hour less.  The biggest two things about the lower-paying job is it is in Tulsa and offers permanent employment.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 02:22:21 pm
I don't understand the logic here. Bushie NEEDS $11/hour to ease the burden on his parents, yet he refuses to make any money whatsoever in the meantime. I bet $250/week would help ease their burden if he took a temporary job while looking for full-time employment.

Of course, he doesn't think that way and would never agree with me.

I also still can't get over what a prideful man he is. His snobbery rivals even the worst people I know and he has no reason to be whatsoever. This is a guy that hasn't held a steady job in 5 years. What makes him think he's better than other people?

At no time have I ever said or implied that I'm better than other people.  I'm just relaying my own needs.  The $11.00 an hour is something my parents and I have discussed together.  Personally, I wouldn't mind going for a $9 or $10, but they want me to get $11 an hour or more even if it means waiting a little longer.  Since I am in their checkbook, I am inclined and kind of obligated to agree with them.  In no way do I think I am better than minimum wage workers.  I understand their desire to make more money, I just can't be in their shoes and not live paycheck to paycheck.
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