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76  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: was bushie fired from [redacted] on: April 04, 2015, 07:54:53 pm
I have a hard time believing that, Bushie. Especially when you lied about everything else about this job, including your motivation.

Whether you have a hard time believing it or not is immaterial.  Your doubts do not change the reality.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: was bushie fired from [redacted] on: April 04, 2015, 07:19:00 pm
No, I was not fired.  Everything I explained to you about the chain of events was the way it happened.
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: April 04, 2015, 07:11:35 pm
I am going to break my silence for just a few minutes, because I have something I really feel I need to share.  So, bear with me as I open my heart and make myself vulnerable just a bit.

I made a mistake in leaving Sprouts.  There is no denying that and I am no longer going to hide that fact.  What's done is done and I cannot change that.  I have also sinned greatly in repeatedly lashing out at you all when all you were trying to do was help me out.  For that I am truly sorry.  You don't know how much it hurts for me to know that I have repeatedly lashed out when those who know me in real life know that is not like me at all.  That said, I acknowledge I have failed at previous call centers.  I am well aware of my struggles in that industry.  I am not going to play the "what-if" game anymore when it comes to my time at Sprouts.  I can't do that to myself.  I have to make this new call center work.  I have no choice.  J-Mann pointed out to me privately on Facebook and so has my mother that this is my 3rd job in 2015 and we are barely into April.  We still have 3/4 of the year left.  So, I cannot worry about my call center struggles.  I have to put that totally behind me.  I have to make this work.  I am challenging myself to make this my last job in 2015.  To be more clear, my challenge to myself (and my mother's challenge to me) is to stick with this job through the last 8 1/2 months of 2015.  I want to still be working here when the calendar turns to 2016.  I want to stay here a lot longer than that, of course, but I figure that is a good start.  This job only pays $10.00 an hour, which is officially 28 cents more than Sprouts.  That's not a big increase, but again I'm not going to play the "what-if" game anymore.  I have asked my family, my Facebook friends and family, and I am asking you guys to put to the side how bad I have hurt you all, to help me embrace this job with all the challenges and rewards it will bring.  I have to remember that this job will bring good days, but it will also bring bad days.  Every time I talk about a bad day, I need everyone, if they feel led to, to remind me of my challenge and to encourage me.  I ask everyone be honest with me, as painful as that might be for me initially, and not to tickle my ears.  I won't post about it much on the forum except maybe a few snippets here and there, so I am mainly asking my Facebook group.  I definitely won't be posting as detailed as I did with all of the previous jobs.  But, I do ask that if you feel led to, and I understand if you don't, to ask me either on the Update or privately, how the job is going every now and then.  Be nice about it, and I will respond to it in a cordial, adult, honest and transparent manner.  For that reason, I am not going to completely close off the Update.  I won't post near as much on it, but I will respond to the genuine questions.  I will try not to foolishly lash out or get defensive either.  I am 24 days away from my 33rd birthday and it is long past time for me to settle down into a job and stick with it.

Thank you for listening to me and respond how you like (but keep it cordial, please).
79  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you could visit two South Americans countries, which two would you choose? on: April 04, 2015, 11:47:13 am
Brazil and Chile for me.  I especially want to visit Rio de Janiero and Sao Paulo, Brazil as well as Santiago, Chile.
80  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 10:12:57 am
I'm fully aware and greatly lament that I haven't exactly been the model citizen around here, either.  As I've said numerous times I am far from perfect.  I guess in some ways, I do deserve the treatment I get in the Update thread.  That's even more reason to stay away from it.  Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do.  I just like to believe that my reasons are just as valid as the next person.  I like to think that I'm just as a productive member of this great society as the next person.  I like to think that I matter.  Looking back through the 21 1/2 seasons of Update, I can see why everybody would think otherwise, and it is what it is.  I just think I still have much to contribute to society.  Whether this forum likes me or not, I know my friends and family will always have my back.  I will continue to post in the political threads without any reservation and I won't even think of the stigma that surrounds me.

Here's what bothers me about this response, Jeff: you recognize that everything I said was true -- you've created this situation by abusing people and taking advantage of their time and goodwill. You understand that genuine contributors turned into rabid detractors due to your behavior.

Yet nowhere in this response do you recognize a need for genuine change. You still won't take personal responsibility for, well, anything. You state that you "believe your reasons are just as valid as the next person's" and "I'm just as a productive member of this great society as the next person."

And you again put the blame and burden on everyone else ... "[l]ooking back through the 21 1/2 seasons of Update, I can see why everybody would think otherwise." But, you go on, they're wrong. They're wrong about you. They don't know anything. You lie and it's justified. You continue a ridiculous cycle of failure which, by this point, could pack a scientific paper, but you're making smart decisions. And the people on this Forum are wrong for disagreeing. And if they continue to disagree, you have enablers that support you.

So somehow, despite literally years' worth of collected evidence to the contrary, going back to another call center was a smart decision. We're all wrong and Jeff is right. And when the cycle repeats again, you'll call us all mean.

You disagree with those who have tried to genuinely help you -- in a subtle and devious way, you take the mountains of advice you've received and you call us all stupid.

You kick the dogs again. This is not normal behavior. It's egocentrism at its finest, and meets most clinical definitions of psychopathy. It's serious stuff, and the refusal to change core behaviors is what keeps you trapped in this cycle.

Trust me, Jeff -- I would love to be wrong about predicting an outcome for you. I would love for you to actually prove me wrong. Because if you did, it would mean that you're listening to someone besides yourself and your gut which has steered you so wrong. But this has all become so predictable ... hence, you've got a lot of dogs that hate your guts.

I'm not going to keep answering these questions all day long.  I want to put this entire conversation to bed.  Period.

I know there are areas in my life I need to change.  I have never said I was perfect, instead I have said over and over and over again I am far from it, yet the forum keeps mocking my faith when I say that.  I have said it and meant it every time, but the forum has stopped their ears every time or said that wasn't enough.  What am I supposed to do?  Run around in sackcloth and ashes and proclaiming what a horrible person I am?  Are there areas I need to change? absolutely.  Am I a horrible person because of those areas? absolutely not.

I can't keep playing the "what-if" game.  I owe it to myself to put all my eggs in the basket of this new job.  Everybody wants me to dwell on the past and want me to realize that I am a horrible, pathetic, wretched, low-life piece of trash.  I'm not going to do that.  I'm better than that.  What I do in my career is entirely my own choice.  I lament that I've received so much hatred for a simple career change.

Anyway, that is the end of this conversation.  We will NOT turn this thread into another Update. 
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 09:43:33 am
BUSHIE Just stop posting and go away.  We don't need the constant lies.

You're not going to chase me away.
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 09:42:42 am
Bushie.  You are beyond patheic.  I shudder to think of what you would be capable of without your religion keeping you in check, you depraved sociopath.

Love you too!
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 09:31:49 am
I just like to believe that my reasons are just as valid as the next person.

Right, it's just that they are not.

That's an understandable position.  I just do not believe it's accurate.
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 09:02:15 am
A clerical mishap, I'm sure.  Fear not and have patience.

^^^


Could you please relock it?  I seriously do not need the temptation.

You did not start this thread. You have no business asking the mods to lock someone else's thread absent of rule violations.

Your inability to resist temptation is the reason Update exists to begin with. Accept that.

The thread is about me.  I have every reason and business asking that there be no threads about me at all.

It just seems everyone is so entertained by the stupid thread that they care nothing about whether I am tempted or not.  In fact, it's like they WANT me to post there so they can laugh and mock at me at their leisure.

Sometime you should look through the archives to the original Update threads and see how genuinely supportive everyone was. They were excited for you when you found love; they supported you when you looked for new work; they were sincere when they cautioned you to be careful, think things through, take certain paths and gave advice.

And you took a group of sincere, supportive individuals who wanted you to succeed and you kicked them. Repeatedly. If you kick a dog every day for ten years, the first day you come home and don't kick it, it's still going to run and hide. Because it expects it. It has been conditioned. And now these "rats," as you refer to them, have been conditioned to respond a certain way to you.

You own that, Jeff Brown. You. And now you complain that you're being mocked. But I think it's fair to say that you've been mocking us for years in a much more sinister way. Consider this:

 - You solicit advice and feedback about events in your life -- you ask for it on this forum
 - Individuals who care offer advice based on their own experiences
 - You reject all offered advice and do the opposite, claiming that you know best
 - You proceed and fail
 - You tell all who point to their previously-disregarded advice that they have no right to comment
 - You brush off the failure, claiming that you knew best all along
 - You solicit advice and feedback about events in your life -- you ask for it on this forum

The fact is, that is mocking, pure and simple. What is mocking -- it's making others feel or appear stupid, right? Isn't that what you're doing, over and over and over, when those who have (or had) your best interests in mind and had significant amounts to contribute to your growth as an individual are dismissed?

The first time this happened, the forum was forgiving. The second, they were annoyed but had your back. Then it happened a third time. And a fourth. And a fifth. Nearly every decision concerning employment, relationships, dieting, exercise ... it all follows that same cycle.

That first time you asked for advice and shared your life on the forum, you got feedback. And then you proceeded to beat the dogs. And you continued beating them for literally years. Jeff, those dogs started out as loyal, happy, tail-wagging companions who wanted to see you be successful. Through constant beatings, you conditioned them to bite. And now you seem baffled as to why they'd snap at you when you enter the room.

Do I understand why the Update isn't enjoyable for you anymore? Sure -- you can't even make a simple statement anymore without being criticized or questioned a dozen times. But don't ever, ever let this truth escape you -- you caused this. By spitting in everyone's faces for literally years, you conditioned the responses you now get. You are responsible for this, and you have to own it.

There are no dumb dogs, Jeff. Only dumb owners. Do with that analogy what you will.

I'm fully aware and greatly lament that I haven't exactly been the model citizen around here, either.  As I've said numerous times I am far from perfect.  I guess in some ways, I do deserve the treatment I get in the Update thread.  That's even more reason to stay away from it.  Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do.  I just like to believe that my reasons are just as valid as the next person.  I like to think that I'm just as a productive member of this great society as the next person.  I like to think that I matter.  Looking back through the 21 1/2 seasons of Update, I can see why everybody would think otherwise, and it is what it is.  I just think I still have much to contribute to society.  Whether this forum likes me or not, I know my friends and family will always have my back.  I will continue to post in the political threads without any reservation and I won't even think of the stigma that surrounds me.
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Was Bushie's latest move his most frustrating ever? on: April 04, 2015, 08:54:05 am
I just want to clarify that jeff quit his job before his facebook friend told him about her own job, her post about her job at the post office was in response to jeff brown's facebook post about quitting his job

So Jeff lied. Again.

He's Mr Consistent, Nathan.   Now BK will be Unfriended.

He's not in any danger.  My scissors are staying in the drawer.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:37:28 am
Everything is always about you in your eyes anyway, Jeff. If other people want to comment on it, that's their right. If you don't like it, maybe you should just stop posting anything on the Forum at all. You pretty much never post anything on the other boards and none of your occasional comments on them ever offer much insight anyway.

I am not leaving the forum.  That much is certain.

Minutiae about your life is the only thing you ever post on here. If you're not going to post that, then there's no point in you being here. And if you are going to post that, you need to expect criticism considering the hot mess your life is. You just want attention. I stopped having any sympathy for you once I started to see you for what you are. It's good that you're staying in Tulsa. If I were in your shoes, I'd be too ashamed to show my face in my parents' house either.

I have been posting more on the 2016 board and I will even more now that the Update is in the rear-view mirror.  My insight may not always be useful, but that doesn't mean I can't be interested in politics and have a good outlet to talk about it.  Maybe I could learn a thing or two by staying in the other boards.  I can't talk politics with my family or friends without feeling I have to be a yes-man all the time.  I am a little more liberal than most of them, but I feel anytime I say anything good about Obama or Clinton or say anything bad about Republicans that I am going to be chewed up and spit out.  At least here I can say be open about any politician without being judged.  So, let me alone.  I don't need your sympathy anyway.  I get along just fine without it.  Let me continue to post wherever I want to on the forum including the political boards.
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:28:20 am
Anyway, this thread is turning into another Update, so let's end the discussion on this thread.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:27:22 am
Everything is always about you in your eyes anyway, Jeff. If other people want to comment on it, that's their right. If you don't like it, maybe you should just stop posting anything on the Forum at all. You pretty much never post anything on the other boards and none of your occasional comments on them ever offer much insight anyway.

I am not leaving the forum.  That much is certain.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:25:19 am
A clerical mishap, I'm sure.  Fear not and have patience.

^^^


Could you please relock it?  I seriously do not need the temptation.

You did not start this thread. You have no business asking the mods to lock someone else's thread absent of rule violations.

Your inability to resist temptation is the reason Update exists to begin with. Accept that.

The thread is about me.  I have every reason and business asking that there be no threads about me at all.

It just seems everyone is so entertained by the stupid thread that they care nothing about whether I am tempted or not.  In fact, it's like they WANT me to post there so they can laugh and mock at me at their leisure.

They do. I suggest strongly you stop discussing your personal life online.

I'm going to.  I have no time for the rats on the Update anymore.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:24:31 am
I don't see the point in locking it because the last time we locked the update, everyone (including you) just hijacked other threads on the forum to have the same discussions about your life that would have been in the update thread anyway.

That's just my two cents tho, if one of the other mods thinks it should be locked I'm fine if they reverse my decision here

I just wish there was a way I could remove it from my view.  But whatever, I'm just going to stop posting in it and let it eventually drift down through the pages of the forum.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:21:32 am
A clerical mishap, I'm sure.  Fear not and have patience.

^^^


Could you please relock it?  I seriously do not need the temptation.

You did not start this thread. You have no business asking the mods to lock someone else's thread absent of rule violations.

Your inability to resist temptation is the reason Update exists to begin with. Accept that.

The thread is about me.  I have every reason and business asking that there be no threads about me at all.

It just seems everyone is so entertained by the stupid thread that they care nothing about whether I am tempted or not.  In fact, it's like they WANT me to post there so they can laugh and mock at me at their leisure.
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 04, 2015, 12:10:54 am
A clerical mishap, I'm sure.  Fear not and have patience.

^^^


Could you please relock it?  I seriously do not need the temptation.
93  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 2015 MLB prediction/discussion thread on: April 04, 2015, 12:09:10 am
A little under 43 hours until first pitch.  Any idea on who, if anyone, is throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Cardinals/Cubs game Sunday night?  President Obama is the biggest name with a Chicago tie, but isn't he mostly a White Sox fan?
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 03, 2015, 11:54:17 pm
I don't know who locked it, but I sincerely ask that it not be reopened again.  I don't need the temptation.
95  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Favorite Sports theme songs on: April 03, 2015, 11:46:11 pm
I don't know why I thought this meant the fight songs.

I like pretty much all of them.
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 03, 2015, 11:38:23 pm
I can now live life as a regular poster not as the epitome of what not to do with even less accountability than I had before.

I still have J-Mann on Facebook.  He honestly is my best friend on the forum.
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why is Update locked? on: April 03, 2015, 11:31:42 pm
It looks like my request has been granted.  Thank you to whichever mod put it under lock and key.  I suspect it was BK, but if afleitch or Badger did it then thank you to them as well!  I can now live life as a regular poster not as the epitome of what not to do.

This begins the post-Update Atlas Forum!
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: April 03, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
It's Easter weekend. Now Jeff is unemployed so such drudgery as work will not interfere with the multiple family dinners that I'm sure he must attend.

And with the diet totally out the window, he can graze on whatever fried slop the Browns are serving up without a care in the world. Maybe have two servings of dessert to celebrate this new job he's got coming up.

I am staying in Tulsa this weekend.  I hung out with a friend tonight playing the new Star Wars Armada board game that just came out. Sunday after church I am going to this friend's parents for Easter dinner before I watch baseball that evening.

Did your parents disinvite you from Easter? Are you now persona non grata at family dinners? This doesn't bode well.

No, I had intended to stay in Tulsa this weekend anyway even when I was working with Sprouts, mainly because I didn't know until last Saturday that I would have the entire weekend off.  I will be going down there in 3 weeks to celebrate both mine and my grandmother's birthdays together.  Her birthday is April 24, and mine is April 29.  Believe it or not, I actually have friends in Tulsa.  I love the church that I attend.  I am a member at this church.  I want to attend here as often as I can.  I love my family, but I want to start building a life for me.  I don't want to go down there every other week as has been my custom.  I want to stay up here for longer periods of time.  They'll get along fine without me.  I'm not even a 2 hour drive away so I'm not out of reach.  I will be 33 years old, that is entering my 34th year on this birthday, I don't need to camp out with my parents all the time.  It's unfortunate that I still need their financial assistance, but in ideology and in my mindset, I am my own person.  What works for them doesn't always work for me.  What works for me doesn't always work for them.  Mom and I have become best friends since I entered my thirties.  I always ask her for advice, but she doesn't give me ultimatums anymore.  I started looking for this other job on my own this past Monday night without her consent, but I got her advice and her okay to proceed with yesterday's interview.  I also got her okay to attempt to put in a two weeks notice.  We both knew I would not be able to work the two weeks, but since I did, I am eligible to be rehired.  If I had waited two weeks and then quit all of a sudden, then I would have burned the bridge forever.  We both decided it was cheaper to go two weeks without employment and not burn a bridge than it was to get some extra money and burn a bridge that I may need later on.  In all honesty, she would have rather me not even thought about another interview and stick it out with Sprouts.  Yet, she is okay with it, because it is employment and it is a lot closer to my apartment.   She is okay with it to the point that I am an adult and I can make my own decisions.  She was put at ease when I delivered my research of the company on Glass Door.  She would not have been okay and likely would have cut me off if I had quit Sprouts entirely with nothing to take its place.  I couldn't do that to her or to myself.  She told me she had no problem with me putting out other feelers no matter how early I was into my job, although she would have preferred I waited a month or so.  My adult decisions took over from there.  I haven't talked to Dad directly since I informed him of the April Fool's joke I played on Mom.  So, I haven't talked to him since I was actually hired.  Knowing my father, I know he is glad that I have employment somewhere.  Have I been disowned?  Hardly.  Are they in a little bit of shock?  Yes and No.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: April 03, 2015, 10:19:17 pm
It's Easter weekend. Now Jeff is unemployed so such drudgery as work will not interfere with the multiple family dinners that I'm sure he must attend.

And with the diet totally out the window, he can graze on whatever fried slop the Browns are serving up without a care in the world. Maybe have two servings of dessert to celebrate this new job he's got coming up.

I am staying in Tulsa this weekend.  I hung out with a friend tonight playing the new Star Wars Armada board game that just came out. Sunday after church I am going to this friend's parents for Easter dinner before I watch baseball that evening.
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted]. on: April 03, 2015, 10:08:27 pm
I'm going to assume J-Mann didn't reply because he threw his computer at the wall after reading this.

He talked to me privately over Facebook.
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