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76  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 03:29:22 pm
As a good son, I did call my mother and thank her.  Now, we can start snowballing onto the next bill in November which is my college loan.

why is it always 'we'. 

and bushie is tonight the first night of autocad study?

I helped a little with the bills when I was working.  Granted, this payoff was all her, but I helped get it down to where I could pay it off.

As far as AutoCAD, I do plan on revving it up tonight, making sure it still works and all and playing with it for a little while after church while I watch Game 2 of the World Series.
77  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 03:11:07 pm
As a good son, I did call my mother and thank her.  Now, we can start snowballing onto the next bill in November which is my college loan.
78  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 12:52:40 pm
I made it back to Tulsa at 1000 and have been busy finishing the paperwork for employment.  I will get my drug test done here at 1300 and then I'm headed back home until church time tonight.
79  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 12:28:41 pm
I'll agree that was a prideful response.  I apologize if it offended anybody.
80  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 07:53:48 am
It's still rather frustrating when you consider how many people with far better work histories than Jeff have to spend months or years unemployed before they finally get an offer.

Life is not fair.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 07:52:22 am
If this job is in OKC, can you just break the lease in Tulsa and move out of there, presumably paying some sort of penalty?  How high would such a penalty be?  Cheaper than maintaining two separate apartments for all this time?  Or is breaking the lease legally impossible?


You're assuming continuous employment for the next 3-6 months. The track record isn't good enough for an assumption like that, MM.

You're right, you cannot assume something that's not there.  However, I can do my best and by doing the things that I mentioned yesterday evening, I can make it 3-6 months of continuous employment, or longer.
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 22, 2014, 07:51:03 am
Security Clearance Level: Bushie

I have had a security clearance before, but it is not needed for this job.
83  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 08:58:30 pm
Has anyone reviewed this job yet? It sounds a bit...strange...that a large defense firm hired Bushie that quickly. His first job sort of made sense, small mom and pop operation, but this sounds strange.

I've PM'd it to J-Mann and Smash, who both have "approved" of the job.  During the interview, he asked me about 10 questions, which I gave the correct answers to, and performed a drafting demonstration right there in the interview room.  They told me as I was walking out it would be a week or two before they reached a decision.  So, I proceeded to head up to Tulsa to that customer service job fair when I happened to get hungry and stopped at the McDonald's on the Turnpike between OKC and Tulsa.  I sat down to eat and happened to check my phone and had a voicemail from my recruiter.  I first thought, "Oh crap, no job."  Then, I checked my email on my iPhone and saw an email from her that said "Offer!!" in the subject line.  I checked the voicemail and sure enough that's what she said.  The voice mail was already 25 minutes old and I was already 65 miles up the road, so about an hour given city traffic at 10:45-11:30 in the morning.  I called her right away and confirmed the details and then I proceeded to choke down my burger and got back in the car, called Mom, Grandma, and then posted on FB and the Forum, then I got off at the next exit and proceeded to head back to my parents so we could talk strategy.  It may have been 30 minutes that elapsed between interview and offer, but still not much time.
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 08:19:22 pm
Lol. A  big time defense contractor hired Bushie in 10 minutes. Another BS job he's pulling on us.  Oh and RIP Granny.

I thought it was awful fast myself, but I'm not going to question it and neither should you.
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 08:18:13 pm

I did take a nap yesterday.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 07:37:52 pm
On the plus side, he should be fired from the job in plenty of time to Focus on Christmas full time.

It is so much easier and so much more fun to focus on Christmas when you have a job.  The 3 months won't end until February 1.
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 07:12:00 pm
Among the litany of issues you may have Jeff, execution is chief among them.

You do have a vision for yourself -- from what I can tell, it's to be an independent provider, a head-of-household who puts in a Dick van Dyke style day, comes home after a solid eight hours to trip over the ottoman and into the arms of your housewife and your 2.4 children, waiting for you in your modest ranch-style house with the white picket fence.

The problem is, vision without execution is worthless. Anyone can say that they know they need to practice the skills they need to build a career. Anyone can say they need to exercise and lose weight. In fact, anyone can set an arbitrary goal associated with their vision -- even baby steps -- and if they don't actually do anything to work toward that goal or vision, it's worthless.

Jeff -- this is largely your modus operandi.

If you're ever, ever, ever going to pull yourself out of this seemingly endless cycle, you'll need to actually follow through toward your vision. Based on your work performance, I suspect that your actual execution on the job is more like the type of person who hopes to hide in the workplace and hope the boss never notices you, rather than someone who is actually interested in building a career.

You're not wrong to believe in yourself, and while I don't think you're anywhere near a good judge of your own abilities, it's not wrong to have a dream. But you're painfully bad at actually following through on, well, anything.

You ought to try something very simple in order to start making progress. This is an old story about (I believe) Andrew Carnegie. Each night before you go to bed, take a 3x5 notecard and write the five most important things that you can do the next day, and rank them in order of importance.

My guess is that this list would never include "Watching four football games" or "Eat at Braums." The list should be meaningful and important things that help you build toward your vision. Make the first (as an example):

1. Spend one hour doing AutoCADD training on Lynda.com
2. Take a 20-minute walk
3. Go to the grocery store and buy a week's worth of fruits and vegetables
4. Call and email contacts at CADD school to ask about potential connections for the job search
5. Research how to sublease your Tulsa apartment, in the event you land a job in OKC

At the beginning of each day, review your list and knock off the items one by one. Make sure these items build toward larger goals and, ultimately, your vision.


Jeff, I do hope you treat this opportunity better than the last and actually follow through on bettering yourself. Scoring a new position is not the end of your challenge; it's the beginning.

Will you at least try this method for a period of time (not say "that's a good idea!" and immediately dismiss or tell us "I'll think about it," but actually do it)? You can post your top five here and use the forum as an accountability tool, which would be an incredible benefit to you.

Now is about actions, not words or optimism or warm fuzzies or delusion. Action. What will you do to ensure your success from here on out?

What I am going to do differently is play with my AutoCAD every evening.  Like King suggested, I'm going to block off 45 minutes most every evening except Wednesday to play with it distraction free.  I will try to keep it at the same time or close to the same time every evening so it's easier to maintain.  While on the job, I will also pay more attention to detail and pay as close of attention as I can while they train me.  I want to do everything within my power to prove myself worthy of going the full contract and being put on another contract.  I learned a lot of things from my previous opportunity and plan to make a lot of changes.  This is not by any means an exhaustive list of things I'm going to do.  I've got a whole list worth that would take a couple long posts.  Instead, suffice it to say that I am going to take this job much more seriously than I did the last job.
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 07:02:41 pm
If this job is in OKC, can you just break the lease in Tulsa and move out of there, presumably paying some sort of penalty?  How high would such a penalty be?  Cheaper than maintaining two separate apartments for all this time?  Or is breaking the lease legally impossible?


I will stay rent-free with my grandmother while I'm down here.  I am going to keep the apartment just in case this job ends after 3-4 months.  If it does, I will take my experience back to Tulsa and resume life up there.
89  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 06:55:33 pm
Schedule a specific time of day everyday that you absolutely will study CAD. In fact, ask your new supervisor if you could spend time off the clock using the company computer after work to do some practice CAD time. It will look good coming from a new employee and guarantee you so it instead of in the comforts of home.

That's a very good idea.  I will keep that in mind!
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 06:21:51 pm
Thanks for the well wishes everybody.  I've learned a few lessons from last time that I will apply to this job.  I will practice on my CAD at home most evenings.  I will focus further attention to the detail.  I will relax and do my job.  They promise to fully train me rather than throw me out to the wolves immediately like I was at my previous company.

Happy you've found something.

But what training do you require? I thought that's what CADD school was for?

Just the training on how they do things and exactly what they want done.  The training is not on drafting itself, but their specifications and requirements.  I wasn't really trained at my previous company, I was just thrown to the wolves and the wolves ate me alive.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 06:19:33 pm
The job starts Monday, November 3, 2014.  I will find out the official hours after all my paperwork is complete.  I've sent in my employment paperwork, so my recruiter will have it when she gets in first thing tomorrow.  Because of the job, I am back down at my parents for the night as I came back to talk strategy.  I will go back up to Tulsa tomorrow and spend the weekend up there while I wait to start.  I will attend one last church service at my Tulsa church on Sunday.  I will come back down Monday with my main computer and the things I will need to get started down here.  I will keep the apartment through at least the end of February/beginning of March.  If I still have a job then, I will probably make my decision to move out of the apartment completely by the end of May and move into an apartment in Oklahoma City.  If this job ends after three months, I will likely just go back to Tulsa and resume looking for another CAD job.  This is a 3-6 month contract with the slight possibility of being kept on for another contract after this contract end.  When I get back down here on Monday, I will stay at my parents through Tuesday night, November 4, 2014 and then move in with Grandma on Wednesday night, November 5, 2014.  I will go up to Tulsa on Saturday, November 1, 2014 and cast my ballot early since I won't be able to on Election Day itself.
92  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 06:10:20 pm
Thanks for the well wishes everybody.  I've learned a few lessons from last time that I will apply to this job.  I will practice on my CAD at home most evenings.  I will focus further attention to the detail.  I will relax and do my job.  They promise to fully train me rather than throw me out to the wolves immediately like I was at my previous company.
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 05:04:41 pm
Tweed, I will say this is a globally respected defense contractor.  If this plays out with either 3 or 6 months, it will really boost my resume.  I know what to do this time and I will practice every night for a while.
94  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 02:45:26 pm
Tweed, I do know the name, I just won't post it here because of Mondale.
95  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 02:37:37 pm
Yes, it is a CAD job, Duke.  The decision was fast, but they must have liked what they heard and seen from me in the hour long interview.  I had to do a drafting demo as part of the interview.
96  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 12:18:00 pm
That was fast!!!  They told me it would take a week or two to get a decision.  However, I stopped here at the McDonalds on the turnpike headed to Tulsa and had a call from my recruiter saying they want to offer me the job!!!!  I, of course, accepted.  The call and email I received were already 25 minutes old so they must have deliberated for 10 minutes or so!!
97  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 10:50:14 am
Interview went very well.  I should hear something in a week or two.  Now, I'm headed to Tulsa.

Morden, that's a firm no!!
98  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 21, 2014, 08:27:59 am
Good Tuesday Morning!  I woke up at 0645 and got my shower and all that done.  My car is loaded and I'm ready for the interview.  I will leave for the interview at 0845 and then will go straight to the Tulsa job fair after the interview.  I'm looking forward to being in my own apartment and sleeping in my own bed tonight.
99  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 08:45:03 pm
Like I said earlier, I have two things tomorrow.  A 1000 interview in SW OKC and a career fair in Tulsa at 1300ish.  The Tulsa career fair is said to have "on-the-spot consideration".  I'm definitely in a position where I'm going to take the first job that hires me.  My preference would be the Tulsa job even though it pays quite a bit less.  However, with a $15.00 CAD job, I have to try my best at the OKC Interview.  If I do get the OKC job, since it is only a 3-6 month contract, I would still probably keep my apartment in Tulsa and maybe spend the weekends there.  I could go back to Tulsa after my contract at work is up and resume my CAD search up there.  It would give me 3-6 months additional experience which may make a huge difference in future CAD jobs.
100  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XVIII: 15 Miles From Lunch on: October 20, 2014, 07:52:37 pm
What all this talk today boils down to is that I should not stop doing what I'm doing. Everybody (except Gustaf) wants me to succeed, but thinks I should be doing things a little differently.  I think I'm doing what I need to be doing, but I do realize I could be making a few changes.  I am doing everything I need to for tomorrow.  That's all I can focus on right now is Tuesday.
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