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1  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Peace Through Strength - (Gameplay Thread) on: February 23, 2017, 08:59:09 pm
The People's Republic of China
Early 2017


--We would be honored to continue our new friendly relationship with the government of the Philippines. Invite delegates from the nation to discuss the possible trade agreement, potential military cooperation, and the future of our two nations.

--China will also continue to fund infrastructure projects in Africa in return to payments, favorable trade, or cooperation with local governments. Contact the governments of Mozambique, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Kenya, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and others in the area and offer them high quality Chinese roads or railways. Emphasize this could be the first step to a trade agreement and increased cooperation between China and their nations.

--We would be more than happy to host Japanese envoys to discuss a potential agreement regarding the islands of the South China Sea that are disputed between us.

--Officially begin laying the groundwork for a free trade agreement throughout the whole of Eurasia. It shall be called the Eurasian Trade Agreement (ETA). Tenatively we would like to invite the following nations to the agreement: PRC, North Korea, Mongolia, Russia, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgysztan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Syria (pending peace agreement there), Serbia, Bosnia, Belarus, and the Philippines.

Korea gratefully accepts China's invitation to enter the Eurasian Trade Agreement.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 07:58:05 pm
Just came to post this.

At first I thought Ellison would win hands down; but looks like Perez has it sealed. (feel free to quote this next week) As always internal elections are actually more interesting to see who's backing who- Dean/Rendell backing Buttigieg for example

If Perez wins this, I'll be genuinely infuriated. I will never register as a Democrat if their administration continues with these stupid games.

If you guys (stuanch Ellison supporters) want to be treated like grown ups, you're gonna have to start acting the part.  You're so emotionally invested in a largely meaningless race between very similar candidates that you're threatening to throw a pointless temper-tantrum if your generic progressive Democrat loses to another generic progressive Democrat.  Parties don't change overnight and change comes from the bottom up (we're already seeing some early signs).  I don't mean to single you out, Arch.  You're generally a decent enough poster, but posts like the one you just made give Berniecrats a bad name.

Parties don't change overnight, but they also don't change by playing nice.

I view Ellison v Perez as how willing the Establishment is to play ball. This isn't about policies (with the exception of shilling for TPP out of loyalty to Pres. Obama, Perez is Okay) it's purely factional.

If Ellison loses, it means that we're going to have to end the Democratic careers of the other side if we ever want the Democratic Party to succeed.

I want to see the Sanders-wing prevail too; I consider myself part of it Tongue  However, the path to victory is taking over state parties and running strong progressive candidates in local/city races in places like Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, NYC, etc, etc.  The city machines need to be taken away from the third way hacks and corporate shills first.  Until we do that, we're getting waaaaay ahead of ourselves.  Sometimes it is okay to compromise too and Perez really is a lot better than a McAulliffe-type or a DWS-level idiot.  Would Dean or Buttigieg be better?  Sure.  Alas, you can't always get what you want Sad

The thing is that Perez ran specifically because the consulting firms that are the main recipients of donations to the DNC, don't want to lose their access to all that money.  As someone else said earlier, Perez will make sure all the money will remain in the Washington bubble and the Nebraska or the Utah Democratic party will remain broke and unable to compete with Republicans (because who cares about winning elections, right?).  Electing Perez, a guy who pretty much is responsible for slandering a beloved figure on the left like Bernie Sanders during the primaries, and has shown no intention of making the party more inclusive, is like shooting yourself in the head.  But the DNC members who will vote for him don't give a sh*t as long as they have access to power.
If there's something that's bothering Berniecrats is the corruption in the Democratic Party, and I don't understand why some people who are not on our side don't see this.  Maybe they're getting paid by Brock?  Who knows...
Actually.... Perez was in Utah a couple of days ago and specifically said he'd send more money and would fund campaign training for Utah Democrats. And he specifically covered gerrymandering in an interview as well.

I hope you're not so naive to believe that.  Unless of course you haven't been paying attention to how the party has operated under the leadership of Obama and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

Umm...Obama and DWS hated each other.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ICE detains immigrant already in detention, to prevent her brain cancer surgery on: February 23, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is EnglishPete secretly Milo? on: February 23, 2017, 07:13:43 pm
Nah, he's more of a poor man's Krazen.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 07:04:23 pm
Just came to post this.

At first I thought Ellison would win hands down; but looks like Perez has it sealed. (feel free to quote this next week) As always internal elections are actually more interesting to see who's backing who- Dean/Rendell backing Buttigieg for example

If Perez wins this, I'll be genuinely infuriated. I will never register as a Democrat if their administration continues with these stupid games.

If you guys (stuanch Ellison supporters) want to be treated like grown ups, you're gonna have to start acting the part.  You're so emotionally invested in a largely meaningless race between very similar candidates that you're threatening to throw a pointless temper-tantrum if your generic progressive Democrat loses to another generic progressive Democrat.  Parties don't change overnight and change comes from the bottom up (we're already seeing some early signs).  I don't mean to single you out, Arch.  You're generally a decent enough poster, but posts like the one you just made give Berniecrats a bad name.

Parties don't change overnight, but they also don't change by playing nice.

I view Ellison v Perez as how willing the Establishment is to play ball. This isn't about policies (with the exception of shilling for TPP out of loyalty to Pres. Obama, Perez is Okay) it's purely factional.

If Ellison loses, it means that we're going to have to end the Democratic careers of the other side if we ever want the Democratic Party to succeed.

I want to see the Sanders-wing prevail too; I consider myself part of it Tongue  However, the path to victory is taking over state parties and running strong progressive candidates in local/city races in places like Boston, Cleveland, Chicago, NYC, etc, etc.  The city machines need to be taken away from the third way hacks and corporate shills first.  Until we do that, we're getting waaaaay ahead of ourselves.  Sometimes it is okay to compromise too and Perez really is a lot better than a McAulliffe-type or a DWS-level idiot.  Would Dean or Buttigieg be better?  Sure.  Alas, you can't always get what you want Sad
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump/USA considering joining the British Commonwealth on: February 23, 2017, 06:54:32 pm
F*u*c*k* no, this is un-American!  
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Horserace between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez on: February 23, 2017, 06:51:37 pm
Just came to post this.

At first I thought Ellison would win hands down; but looks like Perez has it sealed. (feel free to quote this next week) As always internal elections are actually more interesting to see who's backing who- Dean/Rendell backing Buttigieg for example

If Perez wins this, I'll be genuinely infuriated. I will never register as a Democrat if their administration continues with these stupid games.

If you guys (stuanch Ellison supporters) want to be treated like grown ups, you're gonna have to start acting the part.  You're so emotionally invested in a largely meaningless race between very similar candidates that you're threatening to throw a pointless temper-tantrum if your generic progressive Democrat loses to another generic progressive Democrat.  Parties don't change overnight and change comes from the bottom up (we're already seeing some early signs).  I don't mean to single you out, Arch.  You're generally a decent enough poster, but posts like the one you just made give Berniecrats a bad name.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6? Can Democrat Jon Ossoff win in the special election? on: February 23, 2017, 06:35:14 pm
Regarding your point on rust best democrats, all the special elections than happened in IA and MN: the democrat nominee massively overperformed Clinton and Obama.

Isn't that simply due to the fact that most of these districts are much more Democratic down ballot than at the presidential level?

Anyway, looks like GA-06 will be the first big opportunity for Democrats. It would be pretty bad for them if they lost both MT and GA. Likewise, Republicans should win at least one of the two - GA is a much better bellwether than MT, though.

I don't think Democrats losing both is even that bad, tbh.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Adam Ruins Everything on: February 23, 2017, 02:14:28 pm
I haven't watched it, but the concept strikes me as that of some smarmy millennial who says "well, actually" and revels at his superior knowledge compared to that of the common prole.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6? Can Democrat Jon Ossoff win in the special election? on: February 23, 2017, 02:09:26 pm
Even with Scott Holcomb, I don't think this seat flips and given what a poor fit Osoff is for this district, I don't think it's a particularly good test of the national mood either.  With Holcomb, the margin would tell the tale.  What you'd want as a test-case for the down-ballot effect would be a strong Democrat against a weak Republican in an open seat race (a suburban or exurban version of Jean Schmit vs. Paul Hackett).  I don't think Handel is as weak as Schmit or even Oberweiss, but I agree with Maxwell that she's capable of running a "does everything wrong" campaign.  Holcomb could probably turn that into a razor-thin loss and there's a former (?) state representative here who'd won a very Republican district in a special not too long ago.  He might work too, but Osoff is simply the wrong guy and he may not even make the run-off.  If the Republicans win the run-off by single-digits against someone as weak as Osoff, they should be absolutely terrified, but I don't think we can read too much into it if Osoff loses by a large margin.  

MT's seat depends on the candidates, but is a potentially a decent sign of how non-rust belt rural whites are feeling.  If Curtis is nominated, it won't tell us anything, but a Quaist vs. Giafonte (or however the name is spelled, I'm in a rush Tongue ) could be very instructive about the aforementioned group, especially if the DCCC gives Quaist the support he needs.  Like Handel, Gianforte is no Mean Jean, but he is still very capable of running a piss-poor campaign (it's part of why he lost the Governor's race Tongue ).  

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some better test-cases down the road as even Montana is hardly an ideal district.  If the Democrats win either of these, it should terrify Republicans as neither should really even be close on paper.
Regarding your point on rust best democrats, all the special elections than happened in IA and MN: the democrat nominee massively overperformed Clinton and Obama.

Indeed and while it is too early to say for sure, I'll be surprised if the Democrats don't gain a massive amount of ground in the rust belt barring weak candidate recruitment.
It's ridiculous how the left thinks their elitist strategy of attacking Trump voters as evil will amount to gains in states that voted for him....

It's ridiculous how the right thinks their elitist strategy of attacking Obama voters as evil will amount to gains in states for him...
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: What are Hogan's chances to be re-elected? on: February 23, 2017, 11:55:24 am
This board is an incredible place.  You can be lectured by someone who's probably never even been in this country about a county you've LIVED IN.  I see some Russians are still spreading fake news even after the election. 

Spoiler to the rest of this board - Baltimore County is not "extremely conservative."  I've lived there briefly.  It's not even close to being conservative.  Nor is Anne Arundel all that conservative.  Indeed, both counties have voted in favor of legalizing gay marriage, expanding gambling, and for illegal immigrant rights.

Fake news is not news.  Alternative facts are not facts.

Funny. And idiotic. I lived part of my life in US and continue to have relatives and friends there, while you REALLY know nothing (and don't want to know) anything about Russia, besides what mass media says. My best friend is Duke professor, my cousin in Indiana is an associate professor, and my nephew got MBA from UT and now is a financial analyst in San Diego. You are an idiot, Non Swing Voter, who sees nothing behind end of his nose, who sees ONLY a facts he wants to see and ignores reality. As i already said - an idiots like you, who were prominent in Clinton's campaign cost her election, so you are loser to boot, who will lose time after time anywhere outside of "safe havens". Live with it, lose again, blame Russians, because you can't be wrong and make me laugh at those like you time and again.

K
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6? Can Democrat Jon Ossoff win in the special election? on: February 23, 2017, 11:41:39 am
Even with Scott Holcomb, I don't think this seat flips and given what a poor fit Osoff is for this district, I don't think it's a particularly good test of the national mood either.  With Holcomb, the margin would tell the tale.  What you'd want as a test-case for the down-ballot effect would be a strong Democrat against a weak Republican in an open seat race (a suburban or exurban version of Jean Schmit vs. Paul Hackett).  I don't think Handel is as weak as Schmit or even Oberweiss, but I agree with Maxwell that she's capable of running a "does everything wrong" campaign.  Holcomb could probably turn that into a razor-thin loss and there's a former (?) state representative here who'd won a very Republican district in a special not too long ago.  He might work too, but Osoff is simply the wrong guy and he may not even make the run-off.  If the Republicans win the run-off by single-digits against someone as weak as Osoff, they should be absolutely terrified, but I don't think we can read too much into it if Osoff loses by a large margin.  

MT's seat depends on the candidates, but is a potentially a decent sign of how non-rust belt rural whites are feeling.  If Curtis is nominated, it won't tell us anything, but a Quaist vs. Giafonte (or however the name is spelled, I'm in a rush Tongue ) could be very instructive about the aforementioned group, especially if the DCCC gives Quaist the support he needs.  Like Handel, Gianforte is no Mean Jean, but he is still very capable of running a piss-poor campaign (it's part of why he lost the Governor's race Tongue ).  

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some better test-cases down the road as even Montana is hardly an ideal district.  If the Democrats win either of these, it should terrify Republicans as neither should really even be close on paper.
Regarding your point on rust best democrats, all the special elections than happened in IA and MN: the democrat nominee massively overperformed Clinton and Obama.

Indeed and while it is too early to say for sure, I'll be surprised if the Democrats don't gain a massive amount of ground in the rust belt barring weak candidate recruitment.
13  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 23, 2017, 11:39:39 am
Ok, I'll defend the decision to ally with Renly.

First, he had hardly any allies in King's Landing. As evidenced in the Arya POV, he probably knew at that moment that everyone was for Renly. Then, he had his daughters. We've seen in the books that he's been willing to sacrifice his own honor for their safety.

Also, he was Robert's hand, and knew what selecting a King based on his ability to fight has gotten them. He also had Renly on the council, so he already knew a little bit about his ability to rule.

Last, but not least, Stannis declared Ned a traitor before Ned did anything.

"It struck him suddenly that he might return to Winterfell by sea. Ned was no sailor, and ordinarily would have preferred the kingsroad, but if he took ship he could stop at Dragonstone and speak with Stannis Baratheon. Pycelle had sent a raven off across the water, with a polite letter from Ned requesting Lord Stannis to return to his seat on the small council. As yet, there had been no reply, but the silence only deepened his suspicions. Lord Stannis shared the secret Jon Arryn had died for, he was certain of it. The truth he sought might very well be waiting for him on the ancient island fortress of House Targaryen."

Nah, screw it, #TeamRenly for life!!!

(But fair enough, Stannis didn't help his cause by naming Ned a traitor -- I didn't get that one either)

No offense, but you're completely missing the point, I'd suggest taking another look at Leonardothered's post.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6? Can Democrat Jon Ossoff win in the special election? on: February 23, 2017, 07:54:35 am
Even with Scott Holcomb, I don't think this seat flips and given what a poor fit Osoff is for this district, I don't think it's a particularly good test of the national mood either.  With Holcomb, the margin would tell the tale.  What you'd want as a test-case for the down-ballot effect would be a strong Democrat against a weak Republican in an open seat race (a suburban or exurban version of Jean Schmit vs. Paul Hackett).  I don't think Handel is as weak as Schmit or even Oberweiss, but I agree with Maxwell that she's capable of running a "does everything wrong" campaign.  Holcomb could probably turn that into a razor-thin loss and there's a former (?) state representative here who'd won a very Republican district in a special not too long ago.  He might work too, but Osoff is simply the wrong guy and he may not even make the run-off.  If the Republicans win the run-off by single-digits against someone as weak as Osoff, they should be absolutely terrified, but I don't think we can read too much into it if Osoff loses by a large margin.  

MT's seat depends on the candidates, but is a potentially a decent sign of how non-rust belt rural whites are feeling.  If Curtis is nominated, it won't tell us anything, but a Quaist vs. Giafonte (or however the name is spelled, I'm in a rush Tongue ) could be very instructive about the aforementioned group, especially if the DCCC gives Quaist the support he needs.  Like Handel, Gianforte is no Mean Jean, but he is still very capable of running a piss-poor campaign (it's part of why he lost the Governor's race Tongue ).  

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some better test-cases down the road as even Montana is hardly an ideal district.  If the Democrats win either of these, it should terrify Republicans as neither should really even be close on paper.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo disinvited, quits Breitbart on: February 23, 2017, 07:28:21 am
What would you consider to be an appropriate source?
Because everyone outside of the manosphere (and a lot of manospherians) know that Roosh was 100% serious
The references to him being accused of being a 'rape denier' that I've seen seem to center around the "How to stop rape" article. Reading that article its pretty clear that it was satirical. I'm not familiar with his writings on his whole PUA thing, that's never been something I've been into. If you've got evidence of him being a rape apologist/rapist I'll look at it.

An appropriate source would not be a newspaper. Verifiable primary sources would be appropriate sources if you can provide links.

I will, genuinely, devote time to finding screen grabs through web archive (as he tends to delete everything) this weekend.
Might be easier for you if you are able to link to an article by someone else who has already done that (I presume this would have already been done).

Quote
If I do this, and post them, do you promise to accept the premise and then leave? Because I'm not wasting my time on this again.
No, but I'll then be able to review what was actually said

The reason I ask is because as part of the mod team, as non plussed as I am these days, I need to know whether you actually are sticking your head out in support of paedophilia/rape apologists.

Edit: Any source I posted, would not be to your taste. But any anti 'Male Rights' blog will do. Like this one: http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/?s=roosh

Wait, is the mod team unaware of the fact that FamousMortimer is a rape apologist?  I've been wondering how he didn't get so much as temp-banned for his posts on the subject.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you don't like Quentin Tarintino films are you basically a Nazi? on: February 22, 2017, 03:15:52 pm
I feel like Tarintino's movies always involve some universally despised, one dimensional villain ("Nazi's!" or "Knights of the Golden Circle" or whatever) which to me is rather annoying. He never creates a plot that demands he spend sometime drafting an original background; no, instead, he just creates his heroic persona and sends him out against the latest historical American villain in vogue.

All of his movies are basically the same: about an illegal immigrant that escapes prison and kills al-Baghdadi to avenge something something explosions something something Eva Longoria's sweaty, shiny tits, something something fireball. The end.

Of course, I also hate action movies in general. 

You've never actually seen a Tarantino move, have you?
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: February 22, 2017, 03:13:01 pm
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WSJ: Sanders Loyalists Are Taking Over the Democratic Party State by State on: February 22, 2017, 03:07:34 pm
This is what we need.
19  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 22, 2017, 03:02:50 pm
Honestly Lumine,
The only thing that ed up in this game is the Stannis-Viserys alliance, it should have never happened. But the rest is really good!

The Stannis-Viserys alliance IS odd, but at least there was a conversation in the books where Stannis admitted the hardship he had in choosing between his Targaryen King and his brother. You could spin out a "Stannis looking for redemption for a mistake" storyline with a lot of GM leeway. There is at least a bit more evidence for it than the Ned Stark-Renly alliance; that one makes zero sense with what we know of Ned.
Oh yes true as well, the renly-ned alliance made 0 sense too.

But Renly was the one with a legitimate claim Tongue
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Atlas's Favorite TV Show - Round 6.5 (i.e. Round 6 Runoff) on: February 22, 2017, 07:16:41 am
The Office is the correct answer. Parks is boring.
21  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 22, 2017, 06:54:58 am
I'll take on Roose Bolton if he's available.

Edit: Also, Dereich is absolutely right about Edric's claim. It's why Edmure was so very much on the fence about declaring his loyalty for so long Tongue

Well that certainly doesn't raise any concerns about GameRoose's loyalty Tongue

Ehh, I can set aside my personal feelings to play a character as they would act in the books.

Speaking of which, now Edmure's dead, I will finally ask: what the feck was Eddard Stark doing declaring for Renly over Stannis? I blame Ned for everything. Everything!

It's not like Roose ever betrayed the Starks in the books Tongue  I'm just saying if you do try that it won't catch anyone off guard.

Renly was clearly the only person with a legitimate claim.

Also why did the Tullys abandon the fight to save the Riverlands?
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: What are Hogan's chances to be re-elected? on: February 22, 2017, 06:45:56 am
A Republican running for statewide office in Maryland is never the frontrunner.  The GOP brand is toxic in the DC area right now.  I don't think he gets re-elected.

And Democratic brand is toxic outside of DC area and Baltimore city. What will prevail?Huh


I'm not sure what your point is, the vast majority of the population lives in those two areas + baltimore's broader county (where GOP is toxic as well).

For Republicans to win statewide they need to cut DEEP into democratic support in those counties, particularly Montgomery... good luck with that.

Explained above. Baltimore county is NOT as Democratic as city, and neighbouring suburbs are extremely conservative. Yes, Hogan needs to minimize losses in Democratic areas, but until recently (his comments on Trump immigration order) he successfully did exactly that. Now - not so sure, but he surely remains relatively popular and i wouldn't write him off right now. It seems most Democratic potential candidates are not eager to take on him as well....

This isn't even close to being true.  Baltimore suburbs aren't even conservative much less "extremely conservative."  Maybe parts of Anne Arundel are somewhat white working class, but they're offset by a large black population.  Not to mention, I believe that county even voted in favor of gay marriage several years ago, as well as most of the close in Baltimore suburbs.  I do not consider counties that voted for gay marriage to be "extremely conservative" - where are you getting this nonsense from?  

Nonsense? Ann Arundel frequently voted (and votes) for conservative Republicans in legislature (including some much more conservative then Hogan)  and in not so distant past - for relatively conservative Democrats too. And for Hogan, of course, by big margin (66% in 2014). And in "suburbs" i include not only close suburbs of Baltimore county itself (well, let's say i slightly exaggerated their conservatism, but not by too much), which voting behavoir is described above in details,  but exurbs of Carroll and Harford counries too. You will say they are not extremely conservative too (63 and 58% even for Trump, and astronomical 82 and 76 - for Hogan)? Are you not too naughty, BTW?Huh? And who gave you the right to speak to me in such patronizing tone, especially when you make more factual errors then even i (from abroad and purely Internet-based at present)?

P.S. General conclusion: a partisan hacks are not worthy to be source of impartial analysis and detailed voter behavoir. They are too blindsided for that. And present a picture, which they would like to be a reality, but which has nothing in common with reality itself.

K
23  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 22, 2017, 06:34:46 am
I'll take on Roose Bolton if he's available.

Edit: Also, Dereich is absolutely right about Edric's claim. It's why Edmure was so very much on the fence about declaring his loyalty for so long Tongue

Well that certainly doesn't raise any concerns about GameRoose's loyalty Tongue
24  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 21, 2017, 11:30:57 pm
*Mic drop*

Rest in Peace, my dear uncle Vic

Welcome back Badgate!
25  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open) on: February 21, 2017, 10:35:13 pm
I'm very excited to see where we end up! Best of luck everyone

This, except for folks whose interests run counter to my own Tongue
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