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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: PA-Sen: Rep. Pat Meehan considers run against Sen. Bob Casey on: Today at 06:40:54 am
Feeling is mutual buddy Smiley. Thanks for confirming my point.

I never doubted it in first place)))) But you need us more then we need you)))). At least - for about next 10 years..

See that's the thing, we really don't need you all that much tbh.  We'll inevitably win enough moderate hero votes regardless that most elections will come down to turnout rather than unicorns, swing-voters, and other mythical creatures.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bronz Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, Bigoted and Just Plain Awful Posts VI on: December 04, 2016, 10:36:10 pm
I honestly think if Hillary really needs to be punished, being a two-time loser of races she was suppoused to win easily is hurting enough.

She just lost in an upset to Donald F-king Trump. She certainly feels awful now.

I felt empathy for every Presidential loser in my adult lifetime, except for Poppy Bush and Hillary Clinton.

I suppose the sense of entitlement both of them suffer from is repulsive to me.

The Jen Palmieris and Robby Mooks of the world just make me dislike Hillary more.

Well at least we can agree that Robby Mook is pond scum Tongue
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-2018: Megathread on: December 04, 2016, 10:17:54 pm
Internal GOP politics heating up. Trump Supporter and Stark County GOP Vice-Chair Kate Timken is challenging RPO Chairman Matt Borges.

Borges seems pretty competent, hopefully he loses!
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-2018: Megathread on: December 04, 2016, 09:56:02 pm
State Representative Kathleen Clyde seems to be the only Democrat angling for this position. She'd pushed voting rights-related legislation during her tenure, and as the Representative of Kent, has made inroads with various college groups.

Please, no. She's pretty bad. Also, where do y'all think Mandel will end up?

Clyde seems pretty good to me.  Hopefully Mandel will end up in an unemployment line where he belongs (he's all-but-declared his candidacy for Senate).

Can we have Tiberi, please? Or Huffman? Or anyone but Mandel?

How about we just keep Sherrod Brown since he's easily one of the best Senators in the country Tongue

Yep. Brown has far and away the best voting record of any swing state senator, among other things.
Brown is terrible. He's one of these.


A fruit bat Huh
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Election Results by Congressional Districts, OFFICIAL THREAD on: December 04, 2016, 09:30:11 pm
Has anyone done Pennsylvania yet? Because I'm close to 100% sure that Costello is a Clinton Republican.

Mr. Phips has it as 50%-45% Trump.

really? huh. With that being the case, Costello is probably fine since Democrats can't recruit for sh**t in this district anyway.

Andy Dinniman could definitely beat him (that'd be one hell of a race), but other than that...
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Poll for Republicans: Should Republicans be gloating? on: December 04, 2016, 09:26:41 pm
They should gloat a little bit.

I'll gloat just to the point of reminding how smug so many of the red avatars were.  How some of them were personally nasty and tried to run me off, along with some other folks.  How they didn't think about the fact that there's a reason folks go out and "play the game", whether it be football or elections.

I'm happy that some folks here were gravely disappointed.  Some were snotty and nasty on a personal level.  And the folks that called me racist, sexist, etc., well, I'll gloat over the fact that you folks are gravely disappointed.  Such behavior was, and is, uncalled for, and while many of the folks who have called me (and others who supported Trump on this forum) racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. simply because of our Presidential choice lack the humility to examine themselves and apologize for that, the simple fact that their angst will rise every time they hear "President Trump" on TV or radio will be a source of satisfaction for me.  "The Lord delights in just verdicts."  Perhaps their angst is my just verdict in the face of unwarranted personal attacks.  (I'll still think this even if Trump goes South and I end up disapproving of him.)

But, no, I won't rub folks' face in it.  Hillary won the popular vote, and there is something to be said for that.  Trump lost the popular vote because he took "Being Trump" to the extreme, but he might not have won the electoral vote if he hadn't.  The GOP took both Houses of Congress, but they lost seats in each, and they lost the Nevada Legislature (both houses), so the election had something for everyone.  

As time goes by, I think that Trump, and only Trump, could have beaten Hillary Clinton.  I believe that had one of the Plaid Brothers (Kasich, Rubio, even Cruz) had run, they well may have won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral Vote.  They would have run up margins in Republican states, but they wouldn't have expanded the map as Trump did.  Trump "traded" extra voters in GA, TX, and AZ for voters in MI, WI, and PA.  His allocation of support was far more efficient than Clinton's, and I attribute this to far shrewder campaign strategy and political insight.

Trump winning doesn't change the fact that you are a repugnant individual who had no problem voting for a literal sexual predator.

Come on. Donald friggin' Trump is the president of the United States of America, and we're still here? With the deplorables? What will it take?

People vote based on a combination of different factors. There is no single one factor that suddenly blacks out the sun of every other consideration. For example, we would all vote for a racist, sexual predator if it was 99% certain that the other candidate was going to start a nuclear war, wouldn't we?  Better distaste than slaughter. That wasn't the choice here, but it shows that there's no one disqualifying factor that is absolutely invincible.

Believe me, I know there are a combination of factors.  It drives me crazy how many times I've had to explain to other Democrats that this "if those dumb hicks knew what was good for them" style elitism is both gross and extremely counter-productive.  I get why someone from West Virginia would vote straight-ticket Republican.  The Democrats wanting to essentially kill the coal industry is fine (I'm all for that), but we've made no effort to say what we'd do to give folks in Appalachia an alternative way to support their families.  No one talks about raising taxes to fund programs to train coal-miners so they can work in other types of jobs, for example.  Furthermore, Democrats often look down their noses at folks from such areas.

That said, there are definitely plenty of folks who are simply racists, sexists, partisan hacks, or selfish people etc and they should be called out as such.  I was referring to Fuzzy Bear specifically (although it should really give all Trump voters pause that they voted for a literal sexual predator who embodies the worst America has to offer).  I think Fuzzy Bear is simply such a Republican hack that he'd blindly vote for a sex predator (and proved as much).  It was disgusting to hear him rant and rave about the e-mails while acting as though Trump's pattern of sexual assault (the man bragged about it on tape for crying out loud) was simply much ado about nothing.  

Lastly, this election was one of those rare times where one side was truly evil.  Trump is a racist, sexist, hate-mongering, crooked, authoritarian, greedy, proudly ignorant, Jew-baiting, Islamophobic, egomaniacal sex predator.  I understand that it is all too easy for good people to get caught up in something evil, but there's a middle ground between looking down your nose at anyone who is a member of the WWC and being too scared of offending somebody to criticize any of Trump's supporters.  That wimpy roll-over-and-play-dead routine didn't work in 2004 and it won't work now either.

They should gloat a little bit.

I'll gloat just to the point of reminding how smug so many of the red avatars were.  How some of them were personally nasty and tried to run me off, along with some other folks.  How they didn't think about the fact that there's a reason folks go out and "play the game", whether it be football or elections.

I'm happy that some folks here were gravely disappointed.  Some were snotty and nasty on a personal level.  And the folks that called me racist, sexist, etc., well, I'll gloat over the fact that you folks are gravely disappointed.  Such behavior was, and is, uncalled for, and while many of the folks who have called me (and others who supported Trump on this forum) racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. simply because of our Presidential choice lack the humility to examine themselves and apologize for that, the simple fact that their angst will rise every time they hear "President Trump" on TV or radio will be a source of satisfaction for me.  "The Lord delights in just verdicts."  Perhaps their angst is my just verdict in the face of unwarranted personal attacks.  (I'll still think this even if Trump goes South and I end up disapproving of him.)

But, no, I won't rub folks' face in it.  Hillary won the popular vote, and there is something to be said for that.  Trump lost the popular vote because he took "Being Trump" to the extreme, but he might not have won the electoral vote if he hadn't.  The GOP took both Houses of Congress, but they lost seats in each, and they lost the Nevada Legislature (both houses), so the election had something for everyone.  

As time goes by, I think that Trump, and only Trump, could have beaten Hillary Clinton.  I believe that had one of the Plaid Brothers (Kasich, Rubio, even Cruz) had run, they well may have won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral Vote.  They would have run up margins in Republican states, but they wouldn't have expanded the map as Trump did.  Trump "traded" extra voters in GA, TX, and AZ for voters in MI, WI, and PA.  His allocation of support was far more efficient than Clinton's, and I attribute this to far shrewder campaign strategy and political insight.

Trump winning doesn't change the fact that you are a repugnant individual who had no problem voting for a literal sexual predator.

Of course you would resort to personal insults.

What else would one expect from you, being such a big time loser.

Strangely enough, I'm not looking for your approval.

And I'm not looking for yours.

But I will call you out on your crap.  Donald Trump has never been charged with a crime.  "Sexual Predator" is a legal designation for a certain type of criminal, and not just a term folks can throw around.  

As for being a Republican Hack, I've voted for Obama in 2012, Kerry in 2004, and Bill Clinton twice.  I'm an independent voter, but I am a registered Republican who votes in every primary, so I am part of that constituency; hence, my blue avatar.  Other folks know this.  I've posted this many times.  Perhaps this was convenient to forget when an insult was to be delivered.

If we're going to play the allegation game, however, let's not forget that Hillary Clinton actively worked to trash the reputations of the women who came forth with allegations that Bill Clinton sexually abused them.  Juanita Broaddrick.  Kathleen Willey.  And she did so not for Bill's career, but for her own hoped-for career.  Hillary trashed alleged victims, something she, herself, stated should never occur (until people called her on this, upon which, her quote disappeared from her website).  

Juanita Broaddrick signed a sworn affidavit indicating that Bill Clinton never raped or sexually harassed her and denied in a 1999 interview that Hillary ever tried to silence her.  Kathleen Willey's allegations have also been widely discredited.  Thanks for playing though Smiley  Incidentally, I do think Clinton should've been removed from office for perjury before a grand jury (the perjury charge that went to the Senate) and probably obstruction of justice.  

And yes, Donald Trump is a sexual predator; denying the facts won't change them.  

Regarding your voting history, I was honestly unaware of that.  Of course, it doesn't change the fact that you were constantly going on and on about Hillary's e-mails while supporting a sexual predator for President.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Army halts construction at Standing Rock on: December 04, 2016, 09:15:49 pm
We did it guys!  All of us checking in at Standing Rock on Facebook has finally paid off!

You win this thread.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-2018: Megathread on: December 04, 2016, 08:50:18 pm
State Representative Kathleen Clyde seems to be the only Democrat angling for this position. She'd pushed voting rights-related legislation during her tenure, and as the Representative of Kent, has made inroads with various college groups.

Please, no. She's pretty bad. Also, where do y'all think Mandel will end up?

Clyde seems pretty good to me.  Hopefully Mandel will end up in an unemployment line where he belongs (he's all-but-declared his candidacy for Senate).

Can we have Tiberi, please? Or Huffman? Or anyone but Mandel?

How about we just keep Sherrod Brown since he's easily one of the best Senators in the country Tongue
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-2018: Megathread on: December 04, 2016, 08:41:17 pm
State Representative Kathleen Clyde seems to be the only Democrat angling for this position. She'd pushed voting rights-related legislation during her tenure, and as the Representative of Kent, has made inroads with various college groups.

Please, no. She's pretty bad. Also, where do y'all think Mandel will end up?

Clyde seems pretty good to me.  Hopefully Mandel will end up in an unemployment line where he belongs (he's all-but-declared his candidacy for Senate).
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction on: December 04, 2016, 06:40:37 pm
Nah. Jesus got treated far more harshly than me.
... The difference is that you'd enjoy it if women put nails in your feet.
... I saw your avatar and thought you were Tender, and I almost started literally laughing out loud.

Same
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Democrats won't recover the senate until 2022 on: December 04, 2016, 06:37:37 pm
^Perdue losing is pretty unlikely IMO (because of the runoff law). He is no Isakson, but he knows his state is changing. Maine only flips if Collins retires.

I get the impression that Perdue isn't all that well-liked, but I see your point. And to answer someone else in the thread - I'd put money on Ernst winning re-election by at least 5, if not by double digits. Alaska is an interesting prospect - but only if in the very unlikely event that Dan Sullivan retires.

Ernst strikes me as a very weak incumbent, tbh.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 04, 2016, 06:25:13 pm
Does anyone in this thread understand that the DNC chair has virtually no influence over policy and that the vast majority of voters don't even know who holds the position much less vote based on it?

Having an anti-Semitic DNC chair gives the Republicans a pretty effective attack line, especially when called out on their race-baiting.

If he's an anti-Semite why does he always win St. Louis Park?

Read the replies to your thread asking the question and maybe you'll find out.
13  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) on: December 04, 2016, 02:27:33 pm
Sure, I can write the Arya POV

Excellent!

I'll send you and Garlan the details I need you to cover. I'll handle Janos Slynt myself. Ideally, I'd want us to start the game within the week.

Who is doing Pycelle/Barristan?  Or was the Janos one instead of those?
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you feel sorry for the 145 Trump voters in my precinct? on: December 04, 2016, 01:12:52 pm
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the two previous posters met in person, what would happen? on: December 04, 2016, 01:09:48 pm
Nothing too eventful, tbh.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite poster who joined in 2010 on: December 04, 2016, 01:08:22 pm
Cathcon, Skill and Chance, Nathan

Honorable mention: Goldwater
17  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) on: December 04, 2016, 12:24:55 pm
Sure, I can write the Arya POV
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why does Keith Ellison win St. Louis Park every two years? on: December 04, 2016, 12:17:18 pm
James Meredith supported David Duke's run for Governor. That's all that needs to be said about Helms hiring him.

*facepalm*

My point is that BRTD's argument is basically another version of "____ has black friends, so he can't be racist."  If you're gonna give Ellison a pass on his anti-Semitism because of that insane logic, you also have to do the same for anyone James Meredith supported.  What dc al fine said is also true, of course.

Why did Trump do better than Romney with Hispanics?  Seeing as he is supposedly a racist.  Better?
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why does Keith Ellison win St. Louis Park every two years? on: December 04, 2016, 11:54:36 am
Why did Jesse Helms hire James Meredith as a domestic advisor on his Senate staff?  Seeing as how he is supposedly a racist.  
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ADL Opposes Keith Ellison on: December 04, 2016, 11:52:37 am
Being anti-Israel isn't anti-Semitic. Israel is a country, not a religion or an ethnicity.

If it was just these comments, that'd be one thing, but Ellison has displayed a pattern of behavior with this.  Tbh, his defense of Louis Farrakhan is far more worrisome imo.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Ellison endorsed by many Democrats, Dean drops out of race on: December 04, 2016, 11:51:27 am
Does anyone in this thread understand that the DNC chair has virtually no influence over policy and that the vast majority of voters don't even know who holds the position much less vote based on it?

Having an anti-Semitic DNC chair gives the Republicans a pretty effective attack line, especially when called out on their race-baiting.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: 2017/2018 Gubernational elections: Who is running megathread on: December 04, 2016, 11:46:03 am

Yes, but why would you ever leave a safe as safe can be congressional seat? A few of my friends in Ohio have pointed this out to me when I've put Ryan forward.

He's an ambitious guy who is clearly getting frustrated with the lack of opportunities to move up in the House (hence his challenge to Pelosi).
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: If Dan Boren ran for the House in 2018, would he win? on: December 03, 2016, 06:26:47 pm
No, but he might make the Republicans waste money that would be better spent elsewhere.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: 2017/2018 Gubernational elections: Who is running megathread on: December 03, 2016, 12:53:26 pm

Unless Ryan runs...
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Any Definite DOAs in 2018? on: December 03, 2016, 12:49:44 pm
I know it's unlikely to happen, but if John Kasich ran in Ohio, would Sherrod Brown be considered DOA?

Not even close to DOA, it'd be toss-up tilt-R at most (probably pure tossup).  Of course, Tiberi (who is a far weaker candidate than Kasich) wouldn't be making noises about running if there were any chance of Kasich running.
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