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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: Today at 05:54:56 pm

Kasich was never going to run, as much as he wanted too.  If he did, he'd get demolished.  On the other hand, Portman may well run and if he is the nominee, I could definitely see him beating Hillary Clinton, O'Malley, etc.  He's not unbeatable or anything and isn't even unbeatable in Ohio, but a Portman candidacy would scare me infinitely more than Jeb, Christie, Rand, grumpy SoCon candidate #83, Rubio, etc.  He'd be an extremely electable candidate and comes across as a pretty reasonable guy despite being quite right-wing (particularly on economic issues).  Plus the gay marriage thing will give him tons of Moderate Hero cred.  Thankfully, I doubt he can make it through the primaries (although far from impossible given that the big business wing always beats the SoCon wing when the two have their quad-annual clash during the GOP Presidential primaries), but if he does, he's got at least 50-50 odds against any of the Democrats being talked about.

Someone who supports gay marriage will never be able to win a GOP primary in 2016, no matter how much establishment support they have. 2020 or 2024, perhaps.

Name me one time where the big business wing has not been able to get any of its candidates that cycle the Republican Presidential nomination because of SoCon opposition.  Santorum, Bachmann, Robertson, Buchanan, Huckabee, etc, etc all had their moments, but ultimately lost.  Even George W. Bush was closer to the big business wing than the SoCon wing when you really think about it.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DNC response to Rand Paul's op-ed on: Today at 05:51:35 pm
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This morning, Rand Paul ran an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he laid out his troubling foreign policy worldview.

Below please find a response from DNC National Press Secretary Michael Czin to Paul’s vision:

“It’s disappointing that Rand Paul, as a Senator and a potential presidential candidate, blames America for all the problems in the world, while offering reckless ideas that would only alienate us from the global community.

“Unfortunately, this is nothing new for Paul. Last week he criticized American policy to the president of another country on foreign soil. This week he’s blaming the Obama Administration for another nation’s civil war. That type of “blame America” rhetoric may win Paul accolades at a conference of isolationists but it does nothing to improve our standing in the world. In fact, Paul’s proposals would make America less safe and less secure.

“Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be – The Rand Paul Doctrine: Blame America. Retreat from the World.”

http://factivists.democrats.org/dnc-response-to-rand-pauls-troubling-wsj-op-ed/

This might piss some leftists off.

If you take out all the references to Rand Paul, it's absolutely impossible to not mistake this for what the Neo-cons said during the Bush years.





Disgusting, although not as awful as the Democrats who opposed the Iraq War, but will suddenly discover their inner neo-con if Hillary is nominated.

Biden, Reid, Harkin, Kerry, Edwards, Dorgan, Cantwell, and Kohl all voted for the Iraq War Resolution. Are they all neocons as well? It's not as though Hillary is the only one (either in terms of politicians or regular citizens) who flip flopped on this issue, as it used to have overwhelming support.

She's not a neo-con just because she supported the Iraq War (and still refuses to acknowledge it was a mistake).  I'm talking about her entire foreign policy record.  Also, I'm not sure that John Edwards is someone who want to be comparing Hillary to when you defend her Tongue

Well, I mostly included him just because many people who endlessly criticize Hillary for the Iraq War vote were Edwards supporters in 2008.

I'm pretty sure most of them were Obama supporters, actually Tongue
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DNC response to Rand Paul's op-ed on: Today at 05:31:39 pm
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This morning, Rand Paul ran an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he laid out his troubling foreign policy worldview.

Below please find a response from DNC National Press Secretary Michael Czin to Paul’s vision:

“It’s disappointing that Rand Paul, as a Senator and a potential presidential candidate, blames America for all the problems in the world, while offering reckless ideas that would only alienate us from the global community.

“Unfortunately, this is nothing new for Paul. Last week he criticized American policy to the president of another country on foreign soil. This week he’s blaming the Obama Administration for another nation’s civil war. That type of “blame America” rhetoric may win Paul accolades at a conference of isolationists but it does nothing to improve our standing in the world. In fact, Paul’s proposals would make America less safe and less secure.

“Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be – The Rand Paul Doctrine: Blame America. Retreat from the World.”

http://factivists.democrats.org/dnc-response-to-rand-pauls-troubling-wsj-op-ed/

This might piss some leftists off.

If you take out all the references to Rand Paul, it's absolutely impossible to not mistake this for what the Neo-cons said during the Bush years.





Disgusting, although not as awful as the Democrats who opposed the Iraq War, but will suddenly discover their inner neo-con if Hillary is nominated.

Biden, Reid, Harkin, Kerry, Edwards, Dorgan, Cantwell, and Kohl all voted for the Iraq War Resolution. Are they all neocons as well? It's not as though Hillary is the only one (either in terms of politicians or regular citizens) who flip flopped on this issue, as it used to have overwhelming support.

She's not a neo-con just because she supported the Iraq War (and still refuses to acknowledge it was a mistake).  I'm talking about her entire foreign policy record.  Also, I'm not sure that John Edwards is someone who want to be comparing Hillary to when you defend her Tongue  As for the Senators you mentioned, obviously most of them aren't (although Biden is definitely a liberal interventionist which has some significant overlap with neo-conservatism).  However, Lieberman, Schumer, Feinstein, and Bayh arguably are to varying degrees (especially the first two) and they also voted for the Iraq War.  Additionally, many of the Democrats who supported it were conservaDems like Landrieu, Breaux, Nelson (NE), Miller, Lincoln, Carper, etc.  I can't imagine why you left them out.  Surely you weren't cherry-picking names Roll Eyes
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: As of now, which race is more likely to be within six points? on: Today at 05:28:29 pm
Neither
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Ernest on: Today at 05:27:19 pm
Needs to stop talking about sex and rape.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Time to feel old on: Today at 05:20:58 pm
Wow, that really f[inks]ed me up.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1936 Primaries on: Today at 04:36:58 pm
Vandenbergh/Borah

I guess I can justify this as uniting to stop the interventionists, but I wouldn't allow something like Vandenbergh/FDR.  There has to be a legitimate ideological link for a Unionist/B-M ticket to be allowed.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DNC response to Rand Paul's op-ed on: Today at 04:26:36 pm
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This morning, Rand Paul ran an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he laid out his troubling foreign policy worldview.

Below please find a response from DNC National Press Secretary Michael Czin to Paul’s vision:

“It’s disappointing that Rand Paul, as a Senator and a potential presidential candidate, blames America for all the problems in the world, while offering reckless ideas that would only alienate us from the global community.

“Unfortunately, this is nothing new for Paul. Last week he criticized American policy to the president of another country on foreign soil. This week he’s blaming the Obama Administration for another nation’s civil war. That type of “blame America” rhetoric may win Paul accolades at a conference of isolationists but it does nothing to improve our standing in the world. In fact, Paul’s proposals would make America less safe and less secure.

“Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be – The Rand Paul Doctrine: Blame America. Retreat from the World.”

http://factivists.democrats.org/dnc-response-to-rand-pauls-troubling-wsj-op-ed/

This might piss some leftists off.

If you take out all the references to Rand Paul, it's absolutely impossible to not mistake this for what the Neo-cons said during the Bush years.





Disgusting, although not as awful as the Democrats who opposed the Iraq War, but will suddenly discover their inner neo-con if Hillary is nominated.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: Today at 04:23:00 pm

Good news. I like Portman, he seems to be the centrist sort of thinking person focused on development and providing quality government services rather than a paranoid right-winger.

I could see myself voting for Portman, though I disagree with your assessment that he's a centrist.

On economic issues, he definitely isn't.  I don't know that I'd even call him a centrist so much as someone who is great at sounding like a centrist.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1936 Primaries on: Today at 04:16:01 pm
Wadsworth/Garner unity ticket for da lulz.

I'll allow it Smiley
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: Today at 04:06:20 pm
Landrieu is probably toast if she wasn't already.  Fortunately, Hagan and Pryor look like they'll win at this point Smiley
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many reported/moderated/infacted posts/points do you have? on: Today at 04:04:33 pm
Four reported
Two moderated
One infraction point (deserved)
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1936 Primaries on: Today at 04:02:15 pm
LaGuardia/Senator Matthew Neeley (WP-VA)

FTR: Neeley was pretty pro-civil rights (certainly within the context of the time period) despite being a Southern Senator Tongue  In 1936, that's generally enough to make you a FF in my book.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans both support unions and right to work laws on: Today at 02:44:36 pm
Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: Today at 02:39:17 pm

Kasich was never going to run, as much as he wanted too.  If he did, he'd get demolished.  On the other hand, Portman may well run and if he is the nominee, I could definitely see him beating Hillary Clinton, O'Malley, etc.  He's not unbeatable or anything and isn't even unbeatable in Ohio, but a Portman candidacy would scare me infinitely more than Jeb, Christie, Rand, grumpy SoCon candidate #83, Rubio, etc.  He'd be an extremely electable candidate and comes across as a pretty reasonable guy despite being quite right-wing (particularly on economic issues).  Plus the gay marriage thing will give him tons of Moderate Hero cred.  Thankfully, I doubt he can make it through the primaries (although far from impossible given that the big business wing always beats the SoCon wing when the two have their quad-annual clash during the GOP Presidential primaries), but if he does, he's got at least 50-50 odds against any of the Democrats being talked about.
He also was the Obama stand-in during the Romney practice debates and is known to be one of the best debaters in the GOP.

I can easily see that, he's always seemed like a very smart guy.  That said he's a pretty uncharismatic speaker, but he's passable.  His problem in Ohio is he's so anonymous, there will be hardly any home state bounce Tongue  But he is still as good a fit as the Republicans could hope for, given the country's mood.  The Republicans' best shot is to run someone who can replicate the sort of "compassionate conservatism" routine Bush used in 2000 (obviously with different rhetorical packaging).  Portman certainly fits the bill Sad
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rand Paul: US interventionists abetted rise of ISIS on: Today at 02:35:29 pm
Some of the Rand Paul-Hillary Clinton debates would actually be interesting. Too bad they're never going to happen.

It'd be interesting to see the response of partisans whose views on the Iraq War were closer to the original ones of the opposing party's nominee, but I agree it's unlikely we'll ever see it happen.  But I do think we are fairly likely to see Hillary debating a Democrat like Sanders or Schweitzer advocating a foreign policy that's lighter on intervention. But that debate would probably be much more muddled than what people here imagine it to be; I don't think even the non-interventionist would be adamantly opposed to airstrikes against ISIS and even Hillary would say the Iraq War was a mistake.

Rand would easily win a foreign policy debate with Hillary (she has a terrible foreign policy record, tbh).  However, she'd win the election against him even more easily Tongue
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: Today at 02:31:15 pm

Kasich was never going to run, as much as he wanted too.  If he did, he'd get demolished.  On the other hand, Portman may well run and if he is the nominee, I could definitely see him beating Hillary Clinton, O'Malley, etc.  He's not unbeatable or anything and isn't even unbeatable in Ohio, but a Portman candidacy would scare me infinitely more than Jeb, Christie, Rand, grumpy SoCon candidate #83, Rubio, etc.  He'd be an extremely electable candidate and comes across as a pretty reasonable guy despite being quite right-wing (particularly on economic issues).  Plus the gay marriage thing will give him tons of Moderate Hero cred.  Thankfully, I doubt he can make it through the primaries (although far from impossible given that the big business wing always beats the SoCon wing when the two have their quad-annual clash during the GOP Presidential primaries), but if he does, he's got at least 50-50 odds against any of the Democrats being talked about.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Ask IceSpear on: Today at 02:20:53 pm
What concrete, specific policy and/or legislative accomplishments does Hillary Clinton have that would make her a top-tier contender for the Democratic Presidential nomination (let alone the actual Presidency itself) if she had never married Bill Clinton?
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Simple Truths Silver Mine on: Today at 02:15:33 pm
Ugh.  Ernest may not be quite as malevolent as Todd Akin, but he sure as hell doesn't know when to just stop talking about rape.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iowa Republican admits being bribed to endorse Ron Paul on: August 28, 2014, 08:50:30 pm
"When it is something for your district, it is pork-barrel spending.  When it is something for my district, it is a vital government function." - every Congressman ever Tongue
21  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (Gameplay - 300 AL (4) - A Dream of Spring) on: August 28, 2014, 07:10:34 pm
Excellent, Cranberry, First Minister does sound a bit strange, but it would fit nicely if Westeros were to enter the Renaissance (and I think it will considering how the Ending is coming).

So far I have six or seven pages (in Word) with the abridged version of "The War of the Ten Kings", by Archmaester Samwell Tarly. I will add the finishing touches and write the remaining POV's (Oberyn Martell or Tyrion Lannister in King's Landing, Catelyn Stark in Winterfell and Asha Greyjoy in Astapor, with Jon Snow or Bran as an option) and I will post the endgame between Friday and Sunday depending on how long it takes.

Any requests?

Can't wait for all this great stuff! Cheesy

And please go ahead with the Bran/Jon POV! The more northern narration I get, the happier I am. Wink

After the epilogue, I shall reveal every single plot GameTywin or GameRoose had a hand in.  In other words a good 2/3s to 3/4 of the stuff will be revealed.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1932 Presidential Election on: August 28, 2014, 07:02:07 pm
Only on Atlas would a Workers' Party win over 50% of the vote in a three-way race, LOL.

Let's not forget the previous two Presidents were Calvin Coolidge and Al Smith.

It makes sense given that the other two parties split the right-wing vote, and it fits the historical narrative.

Time to universal health care it up in this series.

That's just the conservative part of the LaGuardia/Long agenda Wink

How large a role do you think Long will play in the administration? They're both quite authoritarian folks - I could see a JFK/LBJ-type dynamic developing.

I'll get back to you later tonight.  I have a mental template I suspect you'll enjoy Tongue  Also without spoiling anything, Alfred, this result will lead to the Unionist/Bull-Moose/ACLU stuff we talked about.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1932 Presidential Election on: August 28, 2014, 04:19:18 pm
Only on Atlas would a Workers' Party win over 50% of the vote in a three-way race, LOL.

Let's not forget the previous two Presidents were Calvin Coolidge and Al Smith.

It makes sense given that the other two parties split the right-wing vote, and it fits the historical narrative.

Time to universal health care it up in this series.

That's just the conservative part of the LaGuardia/Long agenda Wink
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Wind Rising: Predict Teachout's Total % of the Vote on: August 28, 2014, 03:05:01 pm
32.48%
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1932 Presidential Election on: August 28, 2014, 12:58:27 pm
Only on Atlas would a Workers' Party win over 50% of the vote in a three-way race, LOL.

Let's not forget the previous two Presidents were Calvin Coolidge and Al Smith.
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