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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bill Cosby on: November 22, 2014, 03:11:08 pm
"He said, she said" is quite different from "he said, she said and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she and so did she" etc. HP.

This.

HP
2  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: God, Gold, and Glory: Game Thread on: November 22, 2014, 01:44:00 pm
The Tsardom of Russia



1. Regarding the question of serfdom, let it be known that any peasants residing upon lands owned by the nobility shall be deemed the property of the landowner.  However, the health, care, housing, and protection of a serf shall be the responsibility of the noble or nobles upon whose property the serf resides.  If it can be conclusively demonstrated that any man has deliberately failed to adequately provide for the needs of his serfs or that he has murdered, mutilated, or otherwise abused them, he shall be swiftly and harshly punished to the fullest extent of the law.   Furthermore, peasants and other members of the lower classes shall be given certain options should they wish to recieve freedom papers from the state which will grant them freedom from serfdom along with their families.  This shall include the following:

I. If any able-bodied male serf enters the Russian military and it is determined that he has served the Tzardom honorably in that capacity for a consecutive period of no less than ten years, that serf shall have earned freedom papers for himself, his wife, and his children.  Should his ten years of service be completed during wartime, he and his family shall not receive his papers unless he continues to serve until the war's end.

II. If any noble lacks the means or ability to continue to provide for the care of his serfs, he may either sell them, negotiate residential taxation agreements as described in III, simply grant them their freedom papers, or some combination of the above.  Regardless of which option he choses, however, he may not continue to count them as his property if he lacks the mean to provide for their care.

III. A serf may, if the landowner upon whose property he grants his consent, opt to obtain class-B freedom papers for himself and/or his wife and children by paying a residential tax to the landowner upon whose property he resides.  If he is too poor to pay the residential tax, he may instead pay it in his trade or by performing some other function or service for the landowner.  A residential taxation agreement will only be deemed valid if the landowner provides his written consent for the residential taxation agreement.  Should a serf who has obtained his and/or his family's freedom papers in this manner eventually find himself unable to pay or provide what he promised in the residential taxation papers, the agreement as well as both his and his family's freedom papers shall be rendered null and void.  Should this happy, he and his family shall once again become the property of the land-owner. 

IV. A noble may provide any of his serfs with their freedom papers to reward their service, should he find himself inclined to do so.

All peasants residing on lands owned by the nobility who have not earned freedom papers in one of the manners described above shall be considered the property of the nobles upon whose land they reside.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1960 Presidential Election on: November 22, 2014, 08:58:06 am
Kefauver!
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Paul Kanjorski's (D-PA) comments about Rick Scott on: November 21, 2014, 08:05:16 pm
Rick Scott is a crook, but saying they should "Put him against the wall and shoot him." is pretty indefensible.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Andrew Cuomo vs Kim Jong-un on: November 21, 2014, 08:03:29 pm
I am, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, voting for Kim solely to keep this absolutely fantastic series going.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb launches exploratory committee! on: November 21, 2014, 04:55:07 pm
Do people here legitimately think Webb has a shot? LOL

Of course not. But it was inevitable that the media and the anti-Hillary people would immediately embrace and orgasm over the first Democrat who wasn't Hillary to declare. In fact, maybe that's why Webb announced first. He probably knew he'd get no attention whatsoever if he announced after Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley.

It's obvious that you only oppose Webb because he's a non-denomentational Christian.  Where was your outrage over Tom Vilsack running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage over Mitt Romney running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage about Jonathan Tasini running against Hillary in 2006?  Where was your outrage when John Kerry ran instead of Hillary in 2004?  Where was your outrage about Rick Lazio running against Hillary in 2000?  Show me specific posts documenting your outrage in each of these instances Angry  Perhaps you might be more comfortable with a blue-avatar (then again, I doubt even the Republicans would wage such an appalling smear campaign simply to defeat the first non-denomential Christian President).

LOL.

I actually have bashed Tasini and Lazio on here. Kerry and Romney never ran against Hillary, and Vilsack was too irrelevant to bash.

Anyway, I know you're kidding, but I'm not even "outraged" about Webb running. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I hope he sells a lot of books. He deserves it for beating Macaca.


I'm pretty sure Romney ran against Hillary in 2008 Tongue
7  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Some VERY amusing results I just found on: November 21, 2014, 04:47:17 pm
I thought Otto was weaker than Simon, but her opponent completely imploded.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: November 21, 2014, 04:29:09 pm

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to imagine Lady MacBeth sitting out 2016 Sad
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb launches exploratory committee! on: November 21, 2014, 03:40:49 pm
Do people here legitimately think Webb has a shot? LOL

Of course not. But it was inevitable that the media and the anti-Hillary people would immediately embrace and orgasm over the first Democrat who wasn't Hillary to declare. In fact, maybe that's why Webb announced first. He probably knew he'd get no attention whatsoever if he announced after Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley.

It's obvious that you only oppose Webb because he's a non-denomentational Christian.  Where was your outrage over Tom Vilsack running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage over Mitt Romney running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage about Jonathan Tasini running against Hillary in 2006?  Where was your outrage when John Kerry ran instead of Hillary in 2004?  Where was your outrage about Rick Lazio running against Hillary in 2000?  Show me specific posts documenting your outrage in each of these instances Angry  Perhaps you might be more comfortable with a blue-avatar (then again, I doubt even the Republicans would wage such an appalling smear campaign simply to defeat the first non-denomential Christian President).
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Kirk warns Duckworth to not run against him in 2016 on: November 21, 2014, 02:36:33 pm
I think he's creating the illusion that he's scared of Duckworth the most, just so she'll be the nominee.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Would Bill Nelson have won FL? on: November 21, 2014, 10:41:57 am
It wasn't worth the risk of finding out.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: DCCC hoping for several rematches in 2016 on: November 21, 2014, 10:20:16 am
The DCCC is reportedly attempting to recruit former Representatives Patrick Murphy and Michael McMahon to run in PA-08 and NY-11 respectively.

Michael McMahon is a solid recruit. I'm surprised they stuck with a total dunce in 2014, when voters were perfectly willing to throw out junk GOPers (Lee Terry, Steve Southerland) if given a real alternative.

McMahon always acts interested, but never runs.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: IA-01: Rod Blum Appears to be a Loan Shark on: November 21, 2014, 10:19:04 am
Doesn't matter. As others have stated, this was always going to be a one term rental.

Hopefully Murphy runs again.

Nah, Murphy had his shot.  We surely have a strong bench here even without him, no?
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: HYPO: Snowe wants back in on: November 21, 2014, 10:16:31 am
If the whole electorate could vote, Snowe would win comfortably. In a Republican primary, Collins would win though.

This is the correct answer.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Mark Udall has now moved to within 2% of Gardner on: November 21, 2014, 10:15:10 am
This election (mainly Beauprez's defeat, but also the fact Gardner barely won despite the combination of running a perfect campaign, Udall's piss-poor campaign, a GOP tsunami, general backlash against CO Dems, and Hispanic turnout not cratered) showed a few things:

1. Ken Buck's surprise loss in 2010 was not a fluke, although the phomenon isn't as strong as in Nevada, Democrats often do beat the polling here (in addition to Hickenlooper, I believe Udall and Don Quick slightly beat the polls, and Joe Neguse only lost by 2.6% despite polls consistently showing him down by 4-7 points). 

2. At this point, Republicans basically need a perfect storm to win statewide against a strong, credible, and well-funded Democrat in Colorado (this may well change, but Cory Gardners are pretty rare and someone like Beauprez, Coffman, or Wayne Williams won't cut it anymore except in a Republican wave atm, unless the Dem blows it).

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS November 2014 Elections on: November 21, 2014, 09:22:17 am
1. Mr. X
2. Yelnoc
3. Dixie
4. Pingvin
17  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Forum Redistricting Commission on: November 20, 2014, 10:48:47 pm
1. Wisconsin
2. Virginia
3. Kentucky
4. Indiana
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Dr. Cynic for GM on: November 20, 2014, 10:36:18 pm
I didn't call it a civil war. I called it a civil conflict, which it most certainly was. It had its own wiki page and is now regarded as canon. As such, because it went as far as it did, the remaining loose ends do need tied up.

Not really.

I'm of a different view.

Its not like players care. No one has asked me for a thing. No one has asked for an update. No one has asked about current events. This isn't a game, its a circle jerk.

I'd like an update.  No offense, but I never asked because I assumed we weren't going to get one since you weren't really doing anything after you got re-appointed GM.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Incoming Nevada Speaker is a real piece of work on: November 20, 2014, 06:27:55 pm
Nevada's getting what it deserves. Roll Eyes
20  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Forum Redistricting Commission on: November 20, 2014, 06:08:17 pm
My vote would be to start with a small state although Virginia would also be interesting for the reason Muon mentioned (also I'm a Democrat, I only have a G-OK avatar until Mecha is unbanned).
21  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: God, Gold, and Glory: A 1560 Nation Game Sign up and Rules Thread on: November 20, 2014, 03:23:26 pm
I guess I can take a stab at this as Ivan the Terrible.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: FiveThirtyEight: Webb would make a good anti-Clinton on: November 20, 2014, 03:20:23 pm
Jim Webb wouldn't make a good anything, politically.

His Senate career was less than stellar, he served in the Reagan Administration, and he's about as charismatic as linoleum flooring.

He has an interesting pre-political career, but I just can't see a world where he makes anything remotely close to a "serious" challenge to Hillary Clinton.

If nothing else, he's a hell of a lot more charismatic than Hillary Clinton.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2014 US Congressional Election Results on: November 20, 2014, 03:11:40 pm
Anything on AZ-4?

Gosar won with about 70%
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What should Rob Portman do in 2016? on: November 20, 2014, 01:23:14 pm
Does OH have a "Rand Paul" rule (i.e. no being on the ballot for two offices at the same time)?

If someone like Cordrey, Strickland, or Ryan ran it'd force Portman to run for just one office (and possibly cost him both).
Is Strickland popular in OH these days?

Yeah, he was always been pretty popular, IIRC (and either way, he's certainly very warmly remembered by most folks here, despite Lebron's claims to the contrary).  He's easily the strongest potential recruit, but I doubt he runs since Portman and him are friends.
Didn't you just say a few weeks ago you thought that Strickland might run (despite already declining)? Tongue

Strickland's definitely popular here and all, but like Mike Beebe in Arkansas while he is our strongest candidate against Portman (or in Beebe's case, Boozman), he just won't run. He's just too old and I think he really likes his current job in DC, anyways. Ryan and Cordray are highly unlikely, to. Ryan won't give up his House seat to run statewide and Cordray as you said is eyeing the Governorship.

Strickland might run, but he probably won't.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb launches exploratory committee! on: November 20, 2014, 08:56:30 am
I want to like Webb, but I'm not sure I can vote for him.  I can post a link later if anyone's interested, but I believe I once read that he's written some pretty sketchy stuff about the the run-up to the Civil War and the Confederacy (including that he was at least somewhat supportive of "popular sovergnity" and implying that the South had a right to secede, IIRC).  I hope it was distorted or taken out-of-context somehow because as I said earlier, there is a lot to like about Webb.  However, if the article was right, then that's a deal-breaker as far as I'm concerned.
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