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1  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of snakes on: Today at 04:01:35 pm
FAs, like all reptiles.   
2  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Your favorite hard liquor on: Today at 04:01:08 pm
Bourbon, but I generally just drink beer. 
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: DNC response to Rand Paul's op-ed on: Today at 03:48:48 pm
Not surprising. The Democrats have been adopting Bush policies over the entire Obama administration, why not adopt the tactics?

The great difference: President Obama reacts cautiously to real dangers to America -- like ISIS. Dubya reacted rashly to fabricated dangers to America.

ISIS is about as much of a "threat to America" as Saddam Hussein was.

I see this as Rand Paul once again hitting that centrist, populist chord that everyone else in the 2016 elections will likely miss. (Save for maybe Elizabeth Warren on the economy.) Whether he can ride that to the nomination or the presidency, even if he avoids his other problems (including a tendency to put his foot in his mouth), I don't know.

I'm sorry, but did you really just call Rand Paul a populist? Tongue  He's like the polar opposite of a populist on economic issues.  Btw, as much as I like Warren's views on most economic issues she's not a populist either (too much of an intellectual, non-demagogic speaking style).  If you want examples of Populists, look at Huey Long, William Jennings Bryan, Brian Schweitzer, etc.  Folks like Warren, Sanders, Sherrod Brown, etc are among the few speaking to the economic concerns of blue-collar workers and the poor/middle-class, but that doesn't make them populists.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NH-Sen: Scott Brown's flirtation on: Today at 02:06:51 pm
Scott Brown is literally encouraging his supporters to commit voter fraud:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2014/09/02/scott-brown-says-out-state-voters-should-come-anyway-vote-for-him/H2MiPkS98JeMmNcV34EiCO/story.html
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of IceSpear on: Today at 01:51:53 pm
A rare HP turned FF.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AK Congressional Races 2014 on: Today at 01:46:26 pm
What the hell?

Quote
Sen. Mark Begichís (D-Alaska) campaign is changing an ad to remove references to a horrific crime in what some have referred to as a "Willie Horton-style" campaign ad.
 
The spot was intended to raise questions about his Republican challenger Dan Sullivanís tenure as attorney general, but the victimsí family is calling for the ad to be taken down after it ignited controversy they say could bias an upcoming trial.

Begich was running some of the best ads, too.

Meh, no campaign is perfect.  He'll still win although this obviously isn't ideal.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Simple Truths Silver Mine on: Today at 01:14:08 pm
Context:

Unlike Hillary, they figured out the correct group to arm.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay teen attacked by family (VIDEO) on: Today at 12:22:17 pm
What are you two arguing about?  I can't make heads or tails of what Ernest is saying here.  Being gay isn't a choice.  Being effeminate or flaming isn't a choice.  That woman in the video is a inhuman monster.  End of story.  

I'm not certain what we're arguing about either, since all three of us are in general agreement apparently.  About the only thing I'd disagree with you is over that woman being an inhuman monster.  Unfortunately, she is an all too human monster.  Inhumane, but not inhuman.

Yeah, whatever.  I can't fathom treating your children like that.  But, I'm Jewish and we're more family-oriented than American Christian people.  Plus, I'm gay so this really breaks my heart.

Firstly, this kid's parents are clearly horrible people who are both emotionally and physically abusive.  There's really no ambiguity on that count. The worst part is that as others have said, I suspect this sort of thing does happen quite a bit behind closed doors (especially the emotional abuse), albeit not with the sort of deliberate malevolence of the parents in this video.  I'm pretty sure most parents wouldn't physically attack their child if he/she came out, even if they were very homophobic.  

Not that it is any sort of excuse, but I do think a lot of these people genuinely believe in the "hate the sin, love the sinner" thing (rather than it just being a throwaway line) and have convinced themselves they are helping their children in a warped "this hurts me more than it hurts you"/"you may hate me now, but you'll thank me someday" sort of way (whereas the parents in the video are clearly just horrible people whose homophobia happens to be the outlet through which they are expressing their malevolence).  Again, I'm not defending parents who don't accept their children for who they are, I'm just giving my opinion as to how people who genuinely love their children can simultaneously find themselves unable to love and accept their sons and daughters for who they are.  Pretending the only people who don't accept one of their children after learning he/she is gay/lesbian are monstrous caricatures like the parents in the video is like pretending the only people with racist views are alcoholic rednecks from the rural South who live in trailer-parks and look like Merle Dixon.  Aside from not being true, it lets most people with more subtle or less extreme versions of the same prejudices pat themselves on the back and tell themselves "I can't be a racist/homophobe/anti-semite/etc, because only (insert extreme caricature here) are (insert form of bigotry here) and I know I'm not trailer-trash/one of those people who protests at gay people's funerals/a neo-Nazi/etc."  

@ Bedstuy: I don't think religion really determines how family-oriented people are, at least not nearly as much as you seem to be suggesting.  Honestly, the notion that being an American who happens to be Christian makes you inherently less family oriented than being an American who happens to be Jewish is pretty gross.  Do you really think Christians automatically love their family members any less than Jews do?  I'm not sure if that was what you meant, but it sure came across that way.  It's not like there aren't plenty of Christian parents who have a gay or lesbian child and love him/her all the same.  If you think this sort of thing doesn't happen in Jewish families, you're very wrong.  How do you think the average parents in, say, Borough Park would react if one of their children came out to them?  That said, I agree with the other parts of your post.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-Gov: Fitzgerald in on: Today at 11:21:32 am
The only alternative was running Strickland again and he declined already.

Strickland was never a reasonable alternative nor would any A-list candidate be someone to have replaced FitzGerald with.  No one would've expected a replacement to win, the idea would've been to dig up some termed out State Rep/State Senator and run him/her instead to try to stop the bleeding regarding base turnout.  Anyone who met basic standards of credibility would do as long as they can play the part of generic D.  It'd be a good way for a B or C list candidate to boost statewide name recognition and have a number of folks in the Ohio Democratic Party owe them a favor.  FitzGerald has negative name ID, whereas Sutton or a generic termed-out State Rep/State Senator would simply have no name ID.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: AK: DEM and Indy guys may run on joint ticket to beat Gov. Parnell (R) on: Today at 09:21:17 am
Cool, although Hollis French certainly got screwed over Tongue
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How do you pronounce Oregon? on: September 01, 2014, 08:26:00 pm
Or-gun (Midwest)
12  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End) on: September 01, 2014, 04:56:01 pm
When I started, I had like 1800 or so PMs.  Now I have 3476 Tongue
13  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End) on: September 01, 2014, 04:33:45 pm
7. @ Lumine: Who killed Jorah and Theon?

Oh, none of the players. I figured Karstark would go nuts after hearing Theon would be left to go home, so I rolled the dice and Theon got the wrong number. Same as Mormont, I figured many Northerners would despise him for his betrayal and I needed one of the Targaryen allies in the North to die to increase the tension, so I rolled the dice for Mormont and Ramsay and Mormont lost.

@ Antonio: Re: Rickard Karstark: Told you so Tongue  Btw, looking back, you were right.  I forget why I killed Jaime, probably for revenge on Mance for the carriage trick and as an excuse to get extra concessions from you/IC suspicion you weren't acting in good faith anyway.

Also, I'm gonna start releasing the PMs from the Tywin-Robb alliance/hatefest, feel free to add any I'm missing.

Edit: Nevermind, Antonio has them all Tongue
14  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End) on: September 01, 2014, 04:11:03 pm
Cranberry, it's LF that got you murdered, but he did so on Bolton's orders (because by that point Bolton had enacted a plot that made LF his puppet... more or less).

Oh yes, there was this thing with the Faceless Men, that LF would die if Bolton died, right?
But I still don't get why? Just for plain fun? Tongue

I guess Bolton thought he could use that to blackmail LF, but it backfired a bit when LF decided he didn't want to be a tool and handed me evidence of Bolton's plans. Wink

Well no, that was more of a "if I'm going down, might as well drag him down with me" thing IIRC.  Still worth it, just for how much I enjoyed it.
15  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End) on: September 01, 2014, 04:09:54 pm
A few things:

1. I did not order LF to kill Doran.  I knew he was going to, but that wasn't my idea.  Although I was totally down with framing Robb for it just because GameRobb has to get framed for everything Tongue

2. I forgot about the hunting accident lol.  My bad Antonio, I think I was planning to kill you, but it sort of shifted from "kill with ice and fire" to "meh, I'm down with continuing to rule through him, but Manderly's gotta go."  I figured you'd get yourself killed listening to the bad pieces of counsel I mixed with legit advice and then I'd poison Bran (no warging Angry ) and then kidnap the remaining Starks and control Rickon by making him watch Ramsay flay bits his mother and sisters whenever he's uncooperative (and keep him within range of Bolton swords whenever he's in public).  Yes the North would hate me, but they wouldn't risk House Stark's extermination by rebelling.

3. The LF thing was basically a horrendous abuse of the faceless men that I am quite proud of Wink  I basically had a conditional contract made in which whenever I die for any reason whatsoever, Ramsay would be sacrificed to have a faceless man kill LF (and the contract would be valid even if Ramsay died, nice try Sjoyce...yes I knew about that little sideplot to have him killed Wink ).  This enabled me to do things like tell LF that I'm done paying for food, so I'll starve to death and/or be left to the mercy of my enemies when my soldiers starve unless LF starts paying for all the food the Dreadfort and my men need Tongue  I also made up some story about Manderly plotting to assassinate me to get Sjoyce to help me with that little misadventure.  Best of all, GameRoose got to write to GameFinger "Try not to take it personally, you are merely a tool for me to use as I please."

4. Antonio is mistaken, I hadn't reached out about an alliance with GameRobb when Jaime was killed.  That came later...speaking of which, we should really post the Tywin-Robb IC hatefest PM exchanges.

5. I had Stannis killed Grin

6. @ Spamage: Technically every OOC promise I made to you was true, you just asked the wrong questions Tongue

7. @ Lumine: Who killed Jorah and Theon?
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Good Post Gallery II on: September 01, 2014, 08:08:01 am
Short, but it belongs here more than the simple truths silvermine, IMO.

Context (although it still works pretty well out of context):
this fetishization of trolls is why we have such a huge problem with them
17  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End) on: September 01, 2014, 08:05:04 am
This was just as brilliant as it could have been, coming from you, Lumine. This whole game was incredibly fun, and I hope we will have a similar one to come sometime, maybe setting off after the actions of this one - exploration of Sothoryos, new Valyrian Empire, Others, Reform of the Faith... This all seems like a good point to start with next turn (though, to be fair, Sothoryos is a jungle continent far from Westeros... More logically would be the exploration of the New western continent, as found by the lords of the lonely light (see AFOC Kingsmoot and Lord Farwynd's promises), just as a nitpick)
Thank you for all you have done, Lumine, you have been amazing, and this is just the perfect way to end this. I can only congratulate you, Chapeau!

This although my vote for the next one would be at some early point in Robert's rebellion (before all the alliances were cemented, if possible).  But yeah, excellent work Lumine! Smiley  Playing this game was easily one of my favorite experiences on this forum.  Honestly, I was considering leaving around the time this started, but I had so much fun with this, I think I will stick around.  So again, great job Lumine and thanks for all the hard work.  After my experiences with Atlasia, I was skeptical about forum games, but it was really a privilege to play this.  Btw, thanks to everyone else who played for helping make this so fun!  Sorry if I either directly or indirectly got you killed (sort of Wink ) and congrats to Antonio and unknown on killing me Tongue
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Well, does the Florida Democratic Party blow another one (through Crist?) on: August 31, 2014, 11:54:00 am
They need to get their GOTV act together in the Gold Coast and invest in candidate recruitment at the local level.  The Ohio Democratic Party has a similar problem.  You can't just invest in rising stars once they've been elected to the State House.  They need to invest in people with potential who run for things like Mayor, City Council, County Sheriff/Commissioner/Auditor/Treasurer/Prosecutor, and city school board.  Then those folks can be groomed to run for state house and maybe even state senate down the road.  You build a bench from the bottom up, not the top down.  Additionally, well-liked local electeds are usually better candidates than random out-of-district folks with higher early name ID.   Lastly, anyone who helped cause the second FL-13 fiasco (forcing out Sykes) should be sacked, IMO.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 2016 Republican Nomination Poll - August 2014 on: August 31, 2014, 06:10:34 am
Portman Sad
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: MO-GOV 2016: McCaskill run? on: August 31, 2014, 06:08:43 am
Koster would wipe the floor with her in the primary.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The "Who is running?" tea leaves thread on: August 30, 2014, 07:59:48 pm

Kasich was never going to run, as much as he wanted too.  If he did, he'd get demolished.  On the other hand, Portman may well run and if he is the nominee, I could definitely see him beating Hillary Clinton, O'Malley, etc.  He's not unbeatable or anything and isn't even unbeatable in Ohio, but a Portman candidacy would scare me infinitely more than Jeb, Christie, Rand, grumpy SoCon candidate #83, Rubio, etc.  He'd be an extremely electable candidate and comes across as a pretty reasonable guy despite being quite right-wing (particularly on economic issues).  Plus the gay marriage thing will give him tons of Moderate Hero cred.  Thankfully, I doubt he can make it through the primaries (although far from impossible given that the big business wing always beats the SoCon wing when the two have their quad-annual clash during the GOP Presidential primaries), but if he does, he's got at least 50-50 odds against any of the Democrats being talked about.

Someone who supports gay marriage will never be able to win a GOP primary in 2016, no matter how much establishment support they have. 2020 or 2024, perhaps.

Name me one time where the big business wing has not been able to get any of its candidates that cycle the Republican Presidential nomination because of SoCon opposition.  Santorum, Bachmann, Robertson, Buchanan, Huckabee, etc, etc all had their moments, but ultimately lost.  Even George W. Bush was closer to the big business wing than the SoCon wing when you really think about it.

They preferred Giuliani and Romney to McCain. It's true Romney won next cycle despite his Mormonism but there were other factors and no reason to think Portman would do as well in 16. Also no reason to think Kasich will stay out if Portman wants to run.

But McCain was still infinitely closer to them than the SoCons.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Blanche Lincoln on: August 30, 2014, 04:17:03 pm
HP, but not too horrible.  We don't want to get too radical here, although a little radicalism can sometimes be a good thing.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Wind Rising: Predict Teachout's Total % of the Vote on: August 30, 2014, 02:08:14 pm
I actually think Wu wins 53-47%.  As for the State Senate, Liu will definitely win and Klein probably will too Sad (although a Koppel upset is still possible).
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would George Wallace have signed the Civil Rights Act? on: August 30, 2014, 02:01:21 pm
Of course not, Wallace went over to the dark side after he lost that first gubernatorial campaign.  Btw, signing the civil rights act was a major political risk in the short-term.  And even if it weren't, no matter how loathe certain True Leftists are to admit it, Johnson deserves a great deal of credit for its passage.  Also the idea that Johnson's actual views on civil rights were the ones he had as Senator rather than when he became President is pretty ridiculous.  I know some folks like everyone to be neatly divided into clear FFs and clear HPs, but Johnson really was almost exactly at the intersection of the two and overall he probably did more good than bad (which isn't to downplay the fact that he did some pretty awful stuff).
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: LA and NC 2014 Congressional Races on: August 30, 2014, 12:45:12 pm
Landrieu is probably toast if she wasn't already.  Fortunately, Hagan and Pryor look like they'll win at this point Smiley

This is sarcastic? Tongue

Nope Sad

She was in trouble before this due and needed everything to go right, this is a pretty big deal as Roberts and Luger have proven and it'll do more than she can afford.
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