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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What does Carly Fiorina really want? on: Today at 04:16:54 pm
Who cares
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Cris Survey - Papal Patch. on: Today at 11:42:00 am

The image shows up fine on my computer, but it should be working now, in any event.
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS: Protecting people from explosives Amendment on: Today at 11:38:23 am
I love the reasoning of the IDS legislators.
Of course, the US 2nd amendment is terrible, but that was the only way to change the current constitution bullsh*t with low explosives.

You could've just deleted the section about low potency explosions...
Nah, the right of the people to wear an arm would have still struck down every pro gun legislation.

See - but the explosions are the main thing the Senate wanted to get rid of, correct?
Of course,
But when you can have both, still better than only having one goal Tongue.

Getting rid of the low potency explosive part would be better than nothing, no?
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS: Taxpayer Receipt Act on: Today at 11:36:54 am
An Amendment:

Taxpayer Receipt Act
1. Every fiscal year, the residents of the IDS will receive a letter stating how their tax dollars are spent.
2. The letter will detail expenses based on: Education, Higher Education, Social Services, Transportation, Justice, Economic Development, Environmental Protection, Elected Officials, Debt, Buildings, Payments to Private Contractors, and b General Government.
3. The receipt will show how much of their taxes are spent on each subject percentage wise (ex: Jose pays $4000 in income taxes to the regional government, he pays $400 of his taxes to Higher Education, therefore, 10% of his taxes are spent on Higher Education and both are marked as such on the graph).
4. Every resident will also be sent a letter with a pie graph showing how their sales tax is used for each of the previously listed subjects (ex: 7% of the money made from sales tax goes to Economic Development and that's how it's listed on the graph).
5. The sales tax letter will not include an individualized break-down of how much of the recipient's sales tax dollars were spent and will instead treat each recipient as though his or her sales taxes were the regional average.
5 6. The income tax receipt will show the dollars allocated to each subject based on the household income reported to the regional government the previous fiscal year.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Cris Survey - Papal Patch. on: Today at 11:17:33 am
Ideally the President would bomb these rebels into oblivion.


6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Midwest Governor LeBron FitzGerald (Signing Worker & Growth Amendment) on: Today at 11:10:42 am
Listen, you guys gave a valiant effort to try to unseat me, and it did give me the realization that 50% of our region isn't very fond of me, but that 50% is mostly made up of inactive citizens in our region who rarely take part in our regional government. Meanwhile, I was overwhelmingly supported by our voters who have seen everything that's gone on and support my Governorship.

And you know what, you guys just need to learn to accept the results. You may not like the fact that our Constitution requires 60% to throw out an elected official, but that's the way it is.

You're not going to pressure me into resigning, so I suggest we stop this madness of attacking one another back and forth and leave the ultimate decision Midwest voters made to rest.

I think you missed my point.  I was first and foremost criticizing your implication that the Midwest is an inherently pro-Labor region and thus only Laborites can represent it well.  Yeah, it certainly leans in that direction, but at the end of the day party ID is far less important than issue positions, activity-level, etc in determining who would best represent the region.  It sounded like you were saying that by default only Laborites can represent the interests of the Midwest and I don't think any party is inherently entitled to a monopoly on any region.  The fact that a majority of Midwesterners voted to recall you and that Labor's candidate (IIRC) would've lost the election to determine your successor had the recall gone through shows that the People of the Midwest don't automatically support whoever Labor runs and sometimes they decide other parties' candidates would better represent their interests.

FTR, I can only speak for myself, but I wasn't trying to pressure you to resign (although I do think you made a mistake by not doing so).  The recall results were just the first example of Midwestern voters rebuking a Labor candidate that came to mind when I was making my post.  My beef is with the idea that party ID should be the decisive factor when deciding who can best represent a constituency.  It may be that a region tends to support a particular party's candidates, but that doesn't mean that said region should only be represented by candidates of said party.  Hopefully that clears things up a little.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Stephen Colbert on: December 19, 2014, 03:29:50 pm
Massive FF. He and Stewart are the voice of our generation.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who are some posters you like a lot? on: December 19, 2014, 02:52:01 pm
Joe Republic
Bacon King
Alfred F. Jones
Alcon (RIP?)
Vox Populi
Lumine (the awesome GoT game he created alone gets him a spot)

I'm sure there are others whom I'm forgetting, but these are the ones who occurred to me off the top of my head at the moment.

That said, Gabu was probably the overall best poster we've ever had here before or since he left.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: G-OK on: December 19, 2014, 02:23:00 pm
I'm keeping G-OK until Mechaman is back.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NC 2016 Gubernatorial Discussion Thread on: December 19, 2014, 09:01:12 am
Well, just when I worry McCrory is getting less vulnerable stuff like this comes out:

RALEIGH Political analysts from both parties said they had concerns Wednesday about whether North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory had been forthcoming about payments of more than $185,000 in cash and stock that he accepted from a Charlotte mortgage broker after he took office last year.

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that McCrory and U.S. Rep. Mark Sanford of South Carolina each received six-figure payouts while holding elected office from Tree.com, the corporate parent of the website LendingTree. The two Republicans had served on the company's board and resigned after they won election, which would have rendered their unvested shares in Tree.com worthless. The board voted to give them the shares anyway.

"It's one of those things that creates a smell," said Carter Wrenn, a Republican strategist whose past clients included the conservative icon Sen. Jesse Helms.

I was under the impression that McCrory did a fairly good job as mayor of Charlotte and had been well-received by moderates and blacks. Why did he decide, upon becoming governor, to start acting like this guy?

Two words: Art Pope

Long version: Pope is to North Carolina Republican politics what folks like Sheldon Adelson, the Koch bros., etc are to national politics.  McCory seems to have sold his soul to Pope to be Governor (although in fairness, I suspect he's always been at least somewhat right-wing on economic issues since that seems to be the case with most socially moderate Republicans).  Where he seems to have shifted most is on social issues, especially becoming so anti-voter's rights.  However, I suspect that stems more from his willingness to trample on the democratic process to help Republicans win elections (like Pat McHenry, McCrory strikes me as an especially unscrupulous Republican hack).  Miles can correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS: Protecting people from explosives Amendment on: December 19, 2014, 08:36:54 am
I love the reasoning of the IDS legislators.
Of course, the US 2nd amendment is terrible, but that was the only way to change the current constitution bullsh*t with low explosives.

You could change it to less ambiguous language that also allows stronger gun control laws or even just by removing the explosives part and not changing the rest.  If anything, I voted against this from the left.  If you want, I can show you a couple of different versions of this that would've been much better.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: IDS December 2014 Elections on: December 19, 2014, 08:32:03 am
IDS Emperor:
[1] Flo

District 1:
[1] WI: Maxwell
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Defeated Incumbents from House of Representatives (General) on: December 18, 2014, 07:09:56 pm
Barrow if only due to his ads Tongue
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Aaron Sorkin on: December 18, 2014, 07:07:56 pm
I can't decide whether West Wing at its best makes up for Newsroom.

I don't think The West Wing does, but The Social Network definitely makes up for it.  That said, he's still more of a HP than a FF.
15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should Family Guy do an episode about killing Kim Jong-un? on: December 18, 2014, 06:52:24 pm
South Park would be better.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Midwest Governor LeBron FitzGerald (Signing Worker & Growth Amendment) on: December 18, 2014, 02:52:56 pm
I would like to take the time to personally congratulate every winning Senate candidate in the At-Large races including two fellow Laborites Lief and SWE, the Archduke of our region Cris, and well-esteemed leaders Bacon King and Polnut. It's great to know we're about to have a Senate that's ready to really test the President's ability to work with the Labor Party.

I have no doubt Lief and SWE will be phenomenal freshmen Senators and I look forward to seeing where they stand on some of this divided legislation. I think they have great leaders to look up to and follow in their footsteps in the other 3 Labor Senators. We have Bore who has a lot of experience and leads the Senate, Windjammer whose worked on expanding our party's members and significantly helped in passing an amendment to our Constitution that will better help protect our citizens from firearms and explosives, and TNF our party chair whose stood firm in defending the Civil Rights Act which I think has the votes to pass now and thus ensure equality across our country.

Oh and with Cris set to leave for the Senate, that leaves us with the question of who will be the next Archduke. Well, here's what the Constitution says on the matter:

Quote from: Midwest Constitution - Dude, Where's My Government Officer? Amendment
5. If, however, the Archduke of the Althing's seat is vacant more than 30 days before a regularly scheduled Gubernatorial election, then the President pro tempore shall take over all responsibilities of the Archduke of Althing, with a special election taking place 10 days after said vacancy.

Our President pro tempore of the Althing is Vega, and will take over the duties as the Archduke temporarily, until we determine in the special election who the next Archduke is. I personally encourage him to run in the special election for the office, but that's ultimately his choice.

I would hope we get someone who's prepared to make continued progress in the Althing. We definitely need an Archduke willing to extend debate, and offer more pieces of legislation on the floor at one time.

The Archduke position definitely deserves voting power as well, and I have an amendment I'll be proposing later tonight to our legislation thread that will increase Althing representation by 2 members - 1 extra Most Serene Representative At-Large, and 1 - the Archduke At-Large who should have the right to take part in the debate and voting process. We've shown over these past few months that we have what it takes to have competitive elections, and I believe we're ready to expand our legislature and representation to our citizens.

Now should one of the Althing members run in the Archduke special election, that will leave open an Althing seat. Just to reiterate, we are a Labor-supporting region, and when the time comes, I'll appoint someone who best represents our region.

Says the Governor whose recall was supported by the majority of Midwesterners Roll Eyes

Doesn't the Midwest deserve a Governor who best represents the region?
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama pardons 8 non-violent drug offenders, part of "larger push" on: December 18, 2014, 02:35:57 pm
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1968 Presidential Election on: December 17, 2014, 02:09:30 pm
This appears a sad repudiation of the triumphant Goldwater years. Sad

I figure that Goldwater will end up looking a lot like the right-wing LBJ when his legacy is sorted out: admiration by many conservatives for getting much of his domestic priorities through, but with Vietnam and other things as big asterisks.

Although unlike LBJ's domestic policies, I imagine the left will start trying to undo stuff like social security provocation the second it has half a chance (and I suspect it'd be easier than abolishing a social welfare program).  Anyway, a reluctant vote for RFK who seems to have survived the assassination attempt ITTL.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Baaaaaaack! on: December 17, 2014, 12:05:06 pm
Welcome back! Smiley
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS: Protecting people from explosives Amendment on: December 17, 2014, 11:55:59 am
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1968 Primaries on: December 15, 2014, 03:43:02 pm
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Zero In: December Election Tracker on: December 15, 2014, 09:36:44 am
I didn't receive a single PM encouraging me to vote for a certain candidate before or even during the election. If that's in any way indicative of how the Federalists and D-Rs managed their GOTV operations this time around these results don't surprise me at all.

For what it's worth, I had been planning to third preference SWE (before I knew Maxwell was running).  However, Cris and Lief reached out PMs that were either personalized or pretty clever (ex: Senator-elect Lief asking for the support of the Papal Patch rather than sending me some generic PM.  The Feds weren't the only ones who had less than perfect GOTV (although Labor's GOTV was clearly much better).  Excellent batch of Senators!
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: IDS: Protecting people from explosives Amendment on: December 14, 2014, 12:33:13 pm
I see no reason to add an ambiguous phrase from several hundred years ago to the constitution. The low-potency explosives thing is pretty dumb, but the replacement is even worse. At this point I will be voting nay.

I'd support either just removing the part about low-potency explosives or ideally adding some sort of new language allowing for stronger gun control laws that is less ambiguous than that proposed.  However, the proposed new language simply creates a bunch of unnecessary ambiguity.  I'd strongly support a modified version of this amendment, but unfortunately I don't think I can vote for this amendment in its current form.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-Sen: California Quake on: December 13, 2014, 11:12:56 am
What is your evidence that they would not have nominated DeMaio?

Close Republican primaries arre always favorable to the most conservative candidate running (and even semi-open - too). They could, but that would be more difficult for him then it was under "top 2". And I am almost sure they would nominate Bierman, not Ose (who had much broader crossover appeal) in their primary.
Didn't quite work in AD-44 though, where McCoy beat out de las Piedras in the primaries, and was the beaten by Irwin.

Of course DeMaio wouldn't have been defeated in a primary, as he unilaterally cleared the field. This only applies to clown car primaries, of which there were decidedly few this year. Ca-52 and CA-31  were the closest we had (and of course if things had gone a bit differently in CA-31, we would have a D+5-8 seat being represented by a Republican, which is NOT representative.

And your comment about Dodd doesn't really make sense Dodd didn't advance because two progressives split the vote. If they had run in a normal primary, the two progressives would have split the vote anyway and Dodd would have won regardless.

Also AD-16 doesn't exactly work either, as Catharine Baker was the only Republican running- if there was a normal primary, she would have been running unopposed, and would have been nominated anyway (and you can't argue that conservatives stepped aside for her because she was the best candidate either, because she would have been the best candidate regardless of the primary type- there is no reason for other Republicans not to run in a jungle primary yet run in a regular primary).

I never stated that it ALWAYS works. But it works in most cases. That's more then enough for me. And i see it as a best system, when, as was the case in AD-16,  "business Democrats" banked on their candidate (Glazer) getting into top 2 and beating anyone (Sbranti with help from Republicans and Indies or Baker - with help from liberal Democrats) there. That didn't happened and they made the only correct thing - put their preferences before party label and moved en masse to Baker, but it could be otherwise. In closed Democratic primary Glazer would stand no chances against Sbranti.

In AD-44 McCoy began his campaign much earlier then his more moderate opponent, who simply didn't had enough time to catch up, and, obviously, moderate Republicans helped Irwin in general

And Demaio got 35% in primary against 18.5% for Jorgensen (conservative Republican) and 4% for Simon. Given DeMaio relative popularity among moderates i wouldn't be so sure that he would easily win closed Republican primary. At least - i am not ready to risk..

Dodd? Yes, if you also ignore facts that in open primary he attracted not only Democratic votes, but also - votes of Indies and even some Republicans, who were attracted to "reasonable former Republican" and understood quite clearly that their present candidate can't win. Would that happen in Democratic primary? Not sure.

P.S. Until you give me better system (and, yes, it must be at least just to moderates and Indies) -  i will stand for "top 2" and - parties be damned!

Dude, if you want to rig the electoral system in favor of politicians who are closer to you ideologically, you've obviously got a right to support such a system.  But please stop acting like this is some sort of noble quest for a better electoral system or good government.  You have certain political views and want to rig the system to elect more candidates who are closer to you ideologically.  That's pretty gross and no better than the Republican efforts to disenfranchise minorities and college students.  If that's what you want to see implemented then fine, but at least be straightforward about what it is you want; we'll understand your posts just as well without the "I'm a Bold Moderate speaking truth to power" schtick.  

Btw, you're just as much of an ideological partisan as any tea-partier or True Leftist; the only difference is that you want to see more of the people formerly known as Rockefeller Republicans.  This idea that "moderates" are somehow entitled to some sort of structural advantage over more extreme candidates is pretty undemocratic, tbh.  For that matter, what is a moderate anyway?  It's a very subjective term (ex: I'd argue Jon Huntsman, who seems right up your ally, was far more of an extremist on many economic issues than Santorum was).  Furthermore, a moderate can be a bigger party hack than a staunch liberal or conservative (ex: Ron Wyden seems much less of a party hack than Claire McCaskill).

Dude, don't try to "lecture me" - i am surely smarter then that, and smarter then you as well. So - i don't need your lectures.


I never hid that i have my electioral preferences and what they are. But my preferences are exactly for those, who are denied their rights under 2-party system as it existed before "top 2". Left-wingers have Democratic party at their disposal, right-wingers - Republican, moderates - nothing. Would there be a European-style multiparty system in US - i would absolutely be for each party having it's own primary and then - all parties running their candidates in general. As it is, with about 40% of people essentially having no choice - i am for "top 2". 

I explained that from very beginning.

I suppose it's partially in the eye of the beholder, but I don't really see how you can possibly argue economic left-wingers dominate the Democratic Party.  If "moderates" are such a big share of the electorate, why don't they just choose more moderate candidates in the primaries?  It seems like you're assuming all so-called independents are moderates (when in fact most are just as partisan, and on many issues as extreme, as most Republicans and Democrats).  I oppose any party or ideology trying to rig the electoral system, moderates and so-called Independents aren't entitled to any more influence than extremists and vice-versa.  If you don't like how other people vote, fair enough, but that doesn't justify rigging the electoral system.

And, BTW, i am not accustomed when someone "talks" to me as you tried. So - i am done talking to you. The"ignore" list exist exactly for this purpose...

I get that you didn't like being called out about what you were advocating and that being called an ideological hack/partisan probably struck a nerve given how you seem to see yourself politically, but if you put people on ignore whenever they bluntly criticize you or your views then you'll have 90% of the forum on ignore soon.  I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings or whatever, but if you can't take the heat...
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: December 2014 At-large Senate Election on: December 12, 2014, 08:56:04 pm
1. BK
2. Polnut
3. Lief
4. Cris
5. Maxwell
6. SWE
7. Franzl
8. Spiral
9. JCL
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