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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Crawley flips, supports Single Payer after Primary challenger of BNC announced on: May 23, 2017, 04:54:45 pm
The idea that these jokers could have any effect on anyone is laughable.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: KS-Gov: Svaty In on: May 23, 2017, 04:44:03 pm
Somebody I know close to Orman says he will probably run.

F*********************K
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: are you sick of cxsmith and/or chairman sanchez on: May 22, 2017, 08:43:57 pm
WI: You.

This, although CXSmith is getting pretty annoying too for different reasons.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Centrist "United Utah Party" founded on: May 22, 2017, 08:42:02 pm
Remember the Justice Party lol?

Making a far left party in Utah? What could go wrong?

I think this could go a bit further than the Justice Party. Having McMullin as their UT-3 candidate could boost them if he runs.

McMullin is extremely right-wing, so that ain't happening.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Students walk out of Pence speech on: May 22, 2017, 08:39:57 pm
A bunch of kids who prolly reek of weed and who get asked, "Are you Indian? Native American? No wait...Asian?"

What does this even mean?
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2018 Congressional Recruitment Megathread on: May 22, 2017, 08:15:07 pm
PG should stay put. His image is intact, but that's lucky. If he runs for the House and fails, he looks far too ambitious.

Sort of related, DCCC is now targeting IN-02. Buttigieg is an obvious go-to.

This.  Portune is a far better candidate.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: MA-GOV 2018: Setti Warren is running on: May 22, 2017, 03:52:39 pm
Good, hopefully we can get rid of Baker!

Can you please tell me what exactly Baker has done that is so horrifying? He's brought the budget problem under control, and hasn't been a national GOP mouthpiece like other Governors. Even if you wanted to remove him for something like redistricting, his say in it is basically irrelevant anyways. If redistricting is a reason to target him for removal, Hogan and Rauner make much more sense of the blue state Governors.

Nothing per say, I just think all things being equal, a good Democrat is better than a good Republican.  I don't think Republicans should automatically get a pass just because they're not horrible.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Stone and Manafort turn over documents to Senate Intel Committee on: May 22, 2017, 03:25:19 pm
So, it probably looks like I thought.

Manafort/Stone/Page/Sessions stories are just a smoke. More or less. Knowing that Trump wanted 'get along with Russia' Russians probably were more active in "lobbying" and trying to establish connections.


And then we have Flynn. He was at least 'extremely careless' and non-transparent. Likely highly incompetent and have broken some "minor" laws.

So, Trump's mistake was that he chose loyalty over competence in first place, and didn't fire Flynn, when he lied to Pence. It is not a minor mistake (NSC is an extremely important position), but I doubt that there is more than this in Russia-story.

You hope
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: MA-GOV 2018: Setti Warren is running on: May 22, 2017, 03:21:41 pm
Good, hopefully we can get rid of Baker!
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Gustaf Center for Burn Victims on: May 21, 2017, 04:57:24 pm
Fwiw, I do dislike the excessive anti-Classic Conservative stuff; I actually deleted my AAD account because their content doesn't seem to go beyond "we're old atlas but edgier" and "hey guys here's a pic of classic conservatjve's face." With that said, the comment he made there is inexcusable, and I certainly hope that he tones it down.
You're the epitome of AAD culture, ironically.
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The ExtremeRepublican Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI on: May 21, 2017, 04:41:52 pm
On Congressman Al Green:

12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sheriff Clarke Goes To Washington: Nominated for Assistant Secretary of DHS on: May 21, 2017, 01:59:44 pm
It stuns me that CNN took the time out to look into that. Do they hire people to look at the master theses of all figures in washington? That work must be grueling.

There's actually some software that makes this much easier than you'd think if you have some idea of what you're looking for and remember, John Walsh went down because of a similar scandal.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Republicans Fearing for Their Safety as Constituents Get Angrier on: May 21, 2017, 01:42:17 pm
Anyone who has worked in a congressional field office within the last several decades will tell you that they are a magnet for lunatics. Most of them will never cause serious harm, but threats are a part of the routine for many. It's not easy work, and in a heavily armed and relatively violent country it's a scary and disturbing ordeal.

Speaking from personal experience, this is at least equally true of the D.C. offices. 
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: KS-Gov: Svaty In on: May 20, 2017, 06:53:18 pm
I'd prefer Brewer. His appeal in Wichita will be very valuable in the general.

This, plus I think he'd win Johnson County too.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 25 Years: Maryland on: May 20, 2017, 03:06:23 pm
Why all the Cardin hate?
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 25 Years: Michigan on: May 20, 2017, 03:05:36 pm
Levin/Abraham
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 25 Years: Massachusetts on: May 20, 2017, 03:04:10 pm
Warren/Kennedy

Before anyone jumps on me as to why I don't like Teddy, Chappaquiddick was a really dark mark on his resume.

Scott Brown isn't very good either, but he didn't kill anyone...yet anyways.

This
18  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-18: LaRose Official on: May 20, 2017, 02:51:51 pm
It's more than career politician, Husted wed all agree fits that role to. It's that Dewine has no belief structure, by all accounts he was a moderate in the senate, now he attempts to style himself a conservative, what does he actually stand for, other than being DeWine. It's the same problem many had with hillary, Kerry and others.

Fair enough, although I'd say he was center-right in the Senate (Voinovich was a moderate).  When I say DeWine's a conservative, I'm talking about since being elected AG (and especially in recent years).  Your point about DeWine not standing for anything except his career advancement is spot on though. 
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The current situation, or President Hillary with emails/Benghazi hearings? on: May 20, 2017, 01:18:23 pm
I'd rather President Hillary with email/Benghazi hearings and not for political reasons, tbh.  Sometimes you have to put your country ahead of the interests of your political party.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: May 20, 2017, 01:00:47 pm
I have never ever EVER understood, even during my time there, why the mods punishment system seems adapted towards tolerating repeated misbehavior with no punishment worse than removing offending posts, and then a death sentence long after it's due or, occasionally a temp ban followed by super-duper probation that inevitably ends in the subject being banned eventually. Just ding people for short-term temp bans like a week or two to cool off, increase penalties as infractions rise, and then if the dolt doesn't respond to repeatedly being booted off for weeks at a time, oblige them with a permaban.

Give CC a week off as a well-earned swat on the nose and move on.
Because they are too concerned with appearing fair, And the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspects when someone is eventually banned.
21  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-18: LaRose Official on: May 20, 2017, 10:44:35 am
LaRose is pretty moderate, no?
Indeed. He's on the Kasich-Portman wing, which no current statewide official really is besides those two.

So he's a conservative?

He's to the left of Taylor, DeWine, Husted, and Mandel. I would call him a moderate.
Dewine is arguably a moderate himself, staunchly pro-life sure, but voted for a path to citizenship, assault weapons ban, affirmative action, against drilling in Alaska. Dewines no where near as right as you think he must be

DeWine has moved quite a bit to the right since re-entered OH politics, IIRC.  He may not be a fire-breathing wingnut, but he's definitely not a moderate either.  He's fiercely pro-life, is horrible on voter's rights, supported Santorum in 2012, and has been a staunch Trump supporter, opposes gay marriage, and is pretty conservative on a number of economic issues.  He's only a "moderate" compared to someone like Josh Mandel or Jim Jordan, as opposed to being an actual moderate.

Dewines more like Kasich in that who knows what he actually believes, but there is no way Republicans in ohio think Dewine is conservative

Being "moderate" in the context of the Ohio Republican Party doesn't make someone a moderate.  It makes them a socially center-right, economically arch-conservative Republican who uses inoffensive-sounding language even when saying really horrible things.  At this point, the ORP is extremely conservative (especially the legislature) and it's a sign of just how right-wing many Republicans in this state are that someone like Kasich or DeWine could be perceived as a "moderate." 

That said, I don't think most people see DeWine as a moderate.  I think most Ohioans consider DeWine a conservative Republican (albeit a fairly bland and inoffensive one), but the real reason he's never been all that popular with OH Republicans is that he is basically the personification of a generic career politician and thus has never been all that likable (at least imo).  This is especially problematic for him when the Republican Party is dominated by anti-establishment whacktivists who code this as a sign that DeWine is some sort of RINO squish, but again, the real issue is that he's a career politician who often comes across as being utterly unremarkable in just about every way.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Florida 2018 Open Thread on: May 20, 2017, 10:05:20 am
Even if Graham leaves much to be desired, I think she would probably be the best, safest choice in 2018. This is a midterm that looks like it could be quite favorable for Democrats, and at least based on the last 2 gubernatorial elections in FL, she could probably pull it off. Morgan seems very risky, and personally I'd rather he ran for a row office and instead use it as a launchpad in the future, provided he proves a viable candidate.

Morgan won't run for anything except Governor, I think (although I'd be fine with Morgan running for FL AG).  We definitely need to make a serious play for FL AG; I've always felt state AGs are easily one of the most important row offices*.  I hope we run Buckhorn for CFO though, he seems like the best candidate for that office (although I've heard Jeremy Ring is leaning toward running and there were rumors that Patrick Murphy might run, although the latter has some potentially damaging baggage which came out when he ran for Senate).  SJoyce, Dereich, and Sanchez might know better than I how that's likely to go down with FL AG and FL CFO.  It seems like the Dems aren't even gonna try to win the FL Agriculture Commissioner's race, but I suppose if they have to punt one row office I'd rather it be that than AG (then again, knowing the FDP, they may not seriously contest either office).

*Speaking of state AGs, the Democrats have a real opportunity to gain back some ground if 2018 is a Democratic wave.  Aside from FL, you've got OH, MI, WI, AZ, NV, and CO as obvious targets.  Plus, Rutledge is an incredibly weak incumbent and even though it's Arkansas, I recall her being both incredibly scandal-tarred and highly incompetent when she first ran, so it'd be worth running someone decent as wave insurance.  In GA, we should be running strong wave insurance candidates for all the statewide offices for the next few cycles and while Griffin and BK can correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Josh McKoon (who is an extremely right-wing SoCon even for GA, IIRC) is considered pretty likely to cause a messy primary by running against the appointed incumbent. 

Rich Miami Beach Mayor Philip Levine looking to run as an Indie, unsurprisingly he is a close friend of Bill Clinton.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/philip-levine-opens-door-to-running-as-independent-for-governor/2324539

Well that sucks Sad  I don't think he'll run (I suspect Levine just wants something and is using the threat of an independent bid as leverage) and I doubt he'll get more than 1-1.5% if he runs (if that), but the last thing we need is a potential spoiler. 
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-18: LaRose Official on: May 20, 2017, 09:41:07 am
LaRose is pretty moderate, no?
Indeed. He's on the Kasich-Portman wing, which no current statewide official really is besides those two.

So he's a conservative?

He's to the left of Taylor, DeWine, Husted, and Mandel. I would call him a moderate.
Dewine is arguably a moderate himself, staunchly pro-life sure, but voted for a path to citizenship, assault weapons ban, affirmative action, against drilling in Alaska. Dewines no where near as right as you think he must be

DeWine has moved quite a bit to the right since re-entered OH politics, IIRC.  He may not be a fire-breathing wingnut, but he's definitely not a moderate either.  He's fiercely pro-life, is horrible on voter's rights, supported Santorum in 2012, and has been a staunch Trump supporter, opposes gay marriage, and is pretty conservative on a number of economic issues.  He's only a "moderate" compared to someone like Josh Mandel or Jim Jordan, as opposed to being an actual moderate.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump set to propose paid family leave in budget proposal on: May 19, 2017, 10:32:51 pm
Hard not to see Ivanka's fingerprints on this. She and Kushner are doing good there. That's why I don't want to see Kushner go down. At least not unless Trump does too.

Kushner's a corrupt traitor.  Also this ridiculous idea that Ivanka and Kushner aren't just as bad as Trump needs to go away.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: OH-18: LaRose Official on: May 19, 2017, 08:11:38 pm
LaRose is pretty moderate, no?
Indeed. He's on the Kasich-Portman wing, which no current statewide official really is besides those two.

So he's a conservative?

He's to the left of Taylor, DeWine, Husted, and Mandel. I would call him a moderate.

There are very few moderate Republicans in the Ohio legislature.  The Kasich-Portman wing is A) well to the right of Husted and B) extremely right-wing on economic issues.  Just because a Republican is polite and uses non-threatening language doesn't mean they're a moderate (Patton Oswalt has a great bit on this).

Neither Kasich nor Portman is to the right of Husted.

Furthermore, do you consider any Republican in either house a moderate?

Actually they are, but you don't live here so I guess I'm not surprised you're a bit unfamiliar with the nuances of Ohio politics.
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