Oh, wow. I didn't Clarence had a heart attack. You will be in my thoughts.

I'd want him in my survivor group in the event of a zombie apocalypse. 

Well, onto 1996 as it is. Really though, is all this pageantry necessary? I mean there's got to be a point where the voters just wouldn't care and assumed the outcome was predetermined and not give a damn who was president.

Oh, don't worry, I think Nader will be a force to be reckoned with in 2000 if not 1996.

2004 proved Ralph Nader to be an egomaniac with delusions of grandeur, which is sad because he used to be a great man.  He's like John McCain, he lost his dignity running for President.  

Mario Cuomo/Paul Wellstone

There are some really sick people out there!

Sure, and we all know that, but the issue is if facebook has a responsibility to clean it up since its threatening, intimidating and contributes to making those attitudes appear "normal".

Compared to their strict line against something as harmless as nudity and their attitude to racism this seems hypocritic.

I agree completely, FaceBook's failure to do anything speaks volumes, and what it says is pretty disgusting.

Bump

Actually we can vote for Nader in 1996, because of the new rules. I urge everyone on the left to unite behind his candidacy.

You still haven't explained how Mario Cuomo is a neo-liberal

"Fed up with the one party state and the Republicans' inability to stop it" ?

Maybe the Republicans are now the third-party?

I second the PPT's motion to table the Attorney General Reform Act

As you wish, PPT North Carolina Yankee

I would argue that it is worse to officially renege on our commitments the way this bill would since if it passes we'll have no credibility to renegotiate a new treaty if we withdraw from the conventions and treaties mentioned in the bill.  It will be interpreted by the rest of the world as us essentially saying "We don't like these treaties that we agreed to anymore so change it to our liking or we'll ignore all of them."  We will come across as arrogant if we do this and will be in a much weaker position should we request that the treaties be renegotiated.

There are some really sick people out there!

Perot isn't getting enough support. All you guys will achieve is splitting the left vote and allowing Paul to win.

I don't think most of us care about Democrats that much anymore, considering they are a neoliberal party at this point. We will have a chance to fix things up in 2000 with Nader though.

So now Mario Cuomo is a neo-liberal

I think money is better spent trying to gain seats, rather than Democrat on Democrat battles, which can be very costly. Corbett should have run last year.

This, although that attack was pretty bad.

Are some people forgetting that Stark is crazy? He actually threatened to call CPS on a former Assemblyman who refused to endorse him. Nobody made his atheism is issue, that's a complete misrepresentation, what was an issue was his increasing instability. He didn't even live in the state anymore. Those things couldn't be ignored because he is an liberal atheist.

Democrats can't criticize Republicans for electing crazy or unethical types, then turn around and expect to keep crazy people like Stark in office.

Didn't say I liked Stark. But it was totally indefensible when Swalwell started talking about how the district needed someone who believed in God. He will never, ever have my support after that. Doesn't matter how good he is on other issues.

Link?

To be honest, it would be pretty funny if Ron Paul defeats Vice-President Mario Cuomo at what was thought to be the height of the "Democratic hegemony" (especially given how weak the Republican field was).  I am also kind of curious who Paul would appoint to the two Supreme Court vacancies that I would assume come up during this term (paging SJoyce ).

Guys, positive developments are very close, we will be able to vote for Green party in 2 elections.

X North Carolina Yankee

Aye

Cuomo, although I'm highly disappointed in him for picking Gore as his running mate.

Cathcon's last trick to sabotage his candidacy...

Dude, enough already. 

Also Cuomo '92!

Time to break out the old smileys!

Justice has prevailed!

Should we pick Clinton as VP as a sort of consolation prize?

No

Paul Wellstone for VP or if not him, at least Bill Bradley.
Clinton and even Brown shouldn't be rewarded for all the trouble they've caused Cuomo.

A bit ironic, no?

Still, I'm quite happy with the result   I feel like the 1992 Democratic Convention was essentially this TL's version of the RL 1924 one.

The only way this would work would be if another chamber were created elected from some kind of proportional or perhaps districts (this time designed to be as far from being similar to the regional boundaries as possible) to create a competing popular interest for the representative of the regions. That would be difficult to establish, however.

That's an interesting idea, now that you mention it.  I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that and how it could be implemented.  That said, I honestly am very mixed about my proposed amendment.  I don't know that it is the right solution, but I do think that the way we elect Senators needs to be reformed.  When I wrote this legislation, I thought the process had gotten too hierarchical and sometimes seemed like simply waiting for your turn in line.  Obviously, Senators are elected by The People and no one is entitled to a seat, but you get the point.  Recently, due in no small part to an usually large wave of resignations and retirements (former Senators Oakvale, Franzl, Clarence, Spamage, plus former Senator MattFromVT losing reelection).  That said, I think this wave of retirements and resignations was a bit of a fluke and that some sort of reform needs to be implemented to shake the system up a bit and ideally make it easier for our great body to get some new blood.  I guess right now the biggest issue is that the system feels a little stale.  I'm not saying fix something that isn't broken, but we needn't be afraid to consider changing things.  I am no longer certain that my proposal is the right change, but if it isn't, let's also use this thread to try to figure out what that is.

Vote on Final Senate Passage of the Separation of Powers Amendment:

Aye (1): Snowstalker
Nay (: Αverroës Nix, Ben, HagridoftheDeep, Kalwejt, Napoleon, NC Yankee and sbane
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): MaxQue

The Amendment has been rejected by the Senate.

I voted nay.  My votes are still good in this establishment!

Aye

So we have a little over four days left.

Keep talking people, we got plenty of time left to go.

Senate X, have we not already repealed/replaced as opposed to replaced/repealed, when all those drugs were legalized and or decriminalized?

I'm trying to change that regarding some drugs   And in any event, just because we started down the repeal and replace path doesn't mean we have to keep going about this the wrong way.