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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 23, 2015, 11:16:21 pm


But it is. The reason for this law being passed is very simple, which is that because of the nature of Jewish settlement in the West Bank, where Jews go in and form new communities rather than joining the existing ones, because of those residents being hostile to their presence, Jews and Palestinians live in separate communities in the West Bank, so buses carrying just Jews or just Palestinians would travel to fewer destinations and be more convenient for both groups, while buses carrying both groups would increase the length of the typical trip. It's not about being unwilling to share a bus with the other group (indeed, sharing buses among different groups of Jews within Israel has proven to be much more contentious).

I have not seen such an eloquent defence of the Nuremberg Laws in a long time.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 22, 2015, 09:10:50 pm

In other news, Ebrard has been registered as a candidate for a "suplente" spot in Congress for MC (each congressional candidate runs in pair with a "suplente" who would take his job if the candidate himself resigns/takes a leave of absence). Still waiting for the courts' decision on this.

Electoral Tribunal unanimously disqualified Ebrard from running as a suplente as well, having ruled that doing this contrevenes the previous disqualification. That´s it, folks.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 22, 2015, 04:00:01 pm
Fernando Elizondo, the MC candidate for the governorship of Nuevo Leon has withdrawn in favor of Jaime Rodriguez, "El Bronco", the independent candidate in the race.  Frankly, at this point it would make sense for the PANista to do the same - except for the possible down-ballot effects. In any case, this is becoming a race PRI may lose.

Today´s Reforma has the NL poll. Importantly, the polling was done before Elizondo withdrawal and endorsement.

Jaime Rodriguez (Independent) 31%
Ivonne Alvarez (PRI-PVEM-Panal-a local party) 26%
Felipe Cantu (PAN) 20%
Fernando Elizondo (MC) 4%
everybody else - negligible
Undecided - 15%

We may be getting some history here!

For background. Rodriguez is an ex-PRIista, while Elizondo is an ex-PANista. Elizondo has been promised the job of the cabinet coordinator in the Rodriguez cabinet (along with a bunch of other ex-PAN people who endorsed Rodriguez yesterday - after this poll was conducted). Pressure is building on Cantu to endorse Rodriguez as well.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Polish presidential election, 2015 on: May 22, 2015, 03:53:19 pm
I was working and living 2 yrs in Warsaw for my then company toshiba, so don't underestimed my knowlegde of Polish political reality, bro.Smiley

Sure, that puts you on the same level with someone who's been living there and closely following his native politics all his life Tongue

That being said, I can only wish you your second round prediction will be as "perfect" as your first round one.


You know the old joke?

An engineer, a physicist and a mathematician go to the races. After the fact, they are commiserating at the pub. The engineer says: "I cannot imagine, why I lost. I measured every single muscle of every horse, I bet on the one that had to be the fastest". The physicist responds: "but you failed to take account of statistical variation. I included in my model the entire history of these races - and I still failed". Then they notice that the mathematician has a thick wad of cash, so everybody asks, how he did it. "Well," says the mathematician, "first I assumed that all horses are identical and spherical".
5  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 21, 2015, 10:06:09 pm


How many of those articles about other countries are about public transportation policy, though? Try again.



Quite a few: China is building Brazilian roads you see. In any case, none of the articles about Israel were about a "public transportation policy". Indeed, only a shameless racist extremist would even consider describing it thus.

You are, really, giving a bad name to our fellow tribesemen here.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 21, 2015, 09:57:26 pm


Ah. Otherwise, the statement doesn't make sense, as no states classically defined as "Western" besides Israel are in a geopolitical situation where one of their neighbors is a threat (or is perceived as a threat) to the state's existence. If you're going to interpret that word literally, his post makes no sense whatsoever.



Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Norway all border on Russia: arguably a state less civilized and more threatening to their neighbors than anything Palestinians can ever hope to be.

Bhutan is neither Western, nor even borders on Nepal - I have no clue how that example is relevant.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Polish presidential election, 2015 on: May 21, 2015, 06:28:57 pm
According to the TNS poll for Gazeta Wyborcza, Komorowski won the second debate according to 42% of those polled, against 31% for Duda.

IMHO it wasn't a knockout like the first time, since Duda and his staff obviously did some homework, but yeah.

Can you get a bit more flavor?
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Polish presidential election, 2015 on: May 21, 2015, 05:16:31 pm
According to the TNS poll for Gazeta Wyborcza, Komorowski won the second debate according to 42% of those polled, against 31% for Duda.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 21, 2015, 05:07:18 pm
Fernando Elizondo, the MC candidate for the governorship of Nuevo Leon has withdrawn in favor of Jaime Rodriguez, "El Bronco", the independent candidate in the race.  Frankly, at this point it would make sense for the PANista to do the same - except for the possible down-ballot effects. In any case, this is becoming a race PRI may lose.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 21, 2015, 05:03:46 pm
In the central borough of DF, Cuauhtemoc (includes, roughly, Mexico City proper within its boundaries of a 100 years ago) Morena is running for delgado one of its leaders: Ricardo Monreal, former PRDista governor of Zacatecas and current leader of Morena in the lower House of the Congress. PRI is running Alejandra Barrios, the most important leader of street vendors in the city center.  Reforma reports the following

Ricardo Monreal (Morena) 37%
Jose Luis Muños (PRD-PT-Panal) 22%
Alejandra Barrios (PRI-PVEM) 16%
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 21, 2015, 02:08:44 am
In latest news, the electoral tribunal has ruled that up to 100% of the monthly public financing of PVEM can be withdrawn in payment of fines that it is incuring for blatantly violating the electoral law. Of course, to read that news I had to click through a full-page PVEM advert in El Universal.
12  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 11:12:55 pm
Anyone think Ya'alon is trying to get hardline support for a possible leadership run? He's old but I've heard rumors...

Or he is simply an asshole, as our Republican friend here suggested Smiley

He may, though.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 20, 2015, 10:41:37 pm


No, Israel is definitely held to another standard. No one cares about the Moroccan occupation of the western Sahara

It will surprize you, but for many years I was getting a lot more mailings about Western Sahara than about Israel. Perhaps, because I speak Spanish and lived in Spain for a while. BTW, Mexico has both Palestinian and SPDR embassies - and they produce roughly equal ammounts of news.

In Spain, because of proximity to Morocco, I can imagine that the occupation of Western Sahara is a bigger issue than in most places. But around the world, more attention is paid to Palestine than Western Sahara, I'm afraid.


Western Sahara happens to be out of most people's mind most of the time: that slice of empty desert only interests those who speak Spanish, really. No holy sites there and not many journalists. However other, less remote places, get their share of coverage - and Israel is far from being the top item on everyone's attention, as I just tried to demonstrate

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=213125.25

BTW, as a Russian you might appreciate that up until East Timore got its independence in around 2000, Indonesians, who wished to travel to Europe, could not get a Schengen visa: if they wanted to visit Germany and France they needed 2 distinct visa stamps, obtained in 2 different embassies. You know why? Because Portugal said so. Because of East Timor. Israelis, most certainly, were never treated like that. THE WORLD HATES INDONESIA!!
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 20, 2015, 10:32:36 pm


I interpreted Western as meaning simply "ally of America", which to be fair is a much broader usage of the term than is normal, but seems to make sense in this case, since most countries otherwise defined as Western don't have issues with bordering territories that are hell-bent on making war on them unless they are occupied. Bordering Khaled Mashal is not the same thing as bordering Elio di Rupo.

Bhutan is an "ally of America"? Well, I guess, Morocco, having recognized the US in 1787 qualifies Smiley But, frankly, few people would think of it as "a US ally". Not in the same sense as Israel, most definitely.
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 10:30:00 pm
Sorry for a string of seemingly irrelevant posts. But, hopefully, this is enough to illustrate that if it seems to you that the world is only talking about the Jews, that is because you are, probably, Jewish Smiley
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 10:28:14 pm
Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung. Ausland - articles on the first page of the internet version today

Syria (2)
Ukraine/EU (1)
Osama bin Laden (3)
Israel (1 - relationship between Netanyahu and his cabinet, nothing about Palestinians)
Russia/Ukraine (1)
Italy/Tunisia (1)
Iraq (2)
North Korea (2)
Malaysia/Indonesia/Myanmar/refugees (1)
Iran (1)
China/Brazil (1)
UK (2)
Europe/refugees (1)
Saudi Arabia (1)
Netherlands/Germany (1)




17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 10:21:23 pm
The Age (Melbourne), the first page of the World News sectionon the web today

Syria (3)
North Korea (3)
UK (1)
Tunisia/Italy (1)
US (6)
US/Asia (1)
Indonesia (2)
Kenya (1)
Israel (1 - the bus)
Osama bin Laden (3)
France/Europe/Refugees (1)
Russia (1)
Refugees/Thailand (1)
Refugees/Myanmar (1)



18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 10:16:10 pm
Once we are at it, and for the recrod. The Globe and Mail, toronto, international section

Rwanda/US (1)
Burundi/US (1)
Burundi alone (4)
Syria (1)
Osama bin Laden (1)
St. Lucia/Canada (1)
US/Canada (3)
China (1)
US alone (5)
US/Iraq (1)
Macedonia (1)
Afghanistan (1)
Nepal (2)
Egypt (1)
Bolivia (1)
North Korea/US (1)
North Korea alone (1)
South Korea (2)
Myanmar/refugees (1)
Israel (3 - bus, FIFA, Palestinian shot for driving into the police)
Israel/Canada (1 - a Canadian arrested in Israel)
Guinea/Sierra Leone (1)
South Africa (1)
UK (2)
France (1)
Greece (1)
Chile (1)
ECB (1)

19  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 10:04:31 pm


Given the total focus the global media has on Israeli misdeeds, I have little doubt that we'll hear of every significant change in this vein, so if public scandals are what needed, they'll happen.

It's really more than I think Netanyahu is a savvy politician who knows that Obama is looking for anything to make it politically acceptable for him to drop the hammer on Israel.

This is a common misconception among my fellow-tribesmen: the world does not really care much about Israe. The "global media", whatever it is, very rarely pays much attention to Israel. And, most definitely, it pays very little attention to Palestinians. An occasional scandal gets noticed, but little otherwise.

I love to make a quick article count to illustrate the point. I have in my hands Reforma - leading newspaper for Mexico´s middle class. Today´s international page has 4 news about the US, plus another about the US-Cuban relations, one item about a Chinese investment project in Brazil, and one each about Bolivia, Venezuela and Colombia. Ok, this was before the Israeli segregation news - sure, it will be there as well tomorrow.

So, I am logging up on elpais.com, international section. As every newspaper site it has all the news from the last few days. Yes, the Israeli bus story is there. The other international news are  (including the blogs)


Syria (2 items),
Osama bin Laden (2 items)
Malaysia/Indonesia/Myanmar/refugees (3 items)
Refugees in Europe (1 item)
Cuba/US (2 items)
Cuba alone (1 item)
Portugal (1 item)
Venezuela/US (1 item)
Colombia/US (1 item)
Colombia alone (1 item)
Guatemala (2 items)
US/Middle East (but no Israel) (1 item)
Middle East alone (ISIS, really, with some excursion all the way into Ottoman Empire) (1 item)
Mexico (3 items)
US alone (2 items)
France (2 items)
India (1 item)
UK (1 item)
Italy/North Africa (1 item)
Egypt (no reference to Israel) (1 item)
Ex-USSR/Cuba/Spain (1 item about some exhibit in Moscow)
Oman (1 item)

There are more stories if one goes into the regional subdivisions, but that is the front page - except for Israel. What about Israel? Well, there is a fresh news about the buses at the very top, and that gave the reason to link two stories from the Mideast section about the FIFA thing (including one about the "peace match"). That's it. That is the European Left obscession with Israel.

Ah, and what about the mideast section? May be, at least that is Israel-obscessed? These are the articles for the last few days

US/Mideast (1 item)
Egypt (no Israel) (4 items)
Syria (4 items)
Syria/Spain (2 items)
Refugees into Europe (1 item)
Iran (no Israel) (2 items)
Israel/Palestine (3 items - same as before, 2 about football)
Turkey (1 item)
Saudi Arabia/Spain (1 item)
Qatar (1 item)
Iraq (3 items)
Yemen (3 items)
ISIS in general (1 item)
Vatican/Palestine (1 item)


Yes, they are all Israel-obsessed here.




20  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 08:36:59 pm
The head of FIFA has already explicitly said there are no grounds to suspend Israel - something they didn't even consider doing to Iran when they butchered hundreds of peaceful protestors in the streets and hung gay teenagers - so any further action on that front will only discredit FIFA, much like "Zionism is Racism" discredited the UN.

As for the actual article - asshole proposes bad policy, government looks into it and doesn't put it into effect.

The asshole happens to be the Defense Minister. Happy, at least, you are willing to acknowledge he is an asshole.

Yeah, at first it was just "anonymous official", but if the Defense Minister is responsible, that's a more serious issue.

Still, Netanyahu determines policy, not him. And Netanyahu is a smart man who wouldn't sign on to something like this.

And Netanyahu has just appointed this asshole to the Defense post.  BTW, that is the position from which the asshole in question has nearly absolute control over the lives of Palestinians in the territories (unless the PM is willing to step in, of course). BTW, from what we know, on any "assholeness" measure one can think of, this guy is well under the median in the present government. Which Mr. Netanyahu-the-adult has just appointed.

Not really any argument with this, but as this showed, Netanyahu is willing to step in when he goes over the line.

If this policy goes into effect at any point, that's a different discussion, but that's not the case now.

I am just reminding you, that Netanyahu CHOSE this guy to be the person who controls pretty much every aspect of day-to-day live of every single Palestinian in a big chunk of the West Bank (Zones C and B). Are you expecting to even hear of every outrage that is being done there?

Yes, Mr. Netanyahu will interfere when things become a public scandal. But he, obviously, intends everything else to go through. And, as long as you do not hear about it, you will sleep sound thinking Netanyahu is a nice guy.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America? on: May 20, 2015, 08:32:49 pm


No, Israel is definitely held to another standard. No one cares about the Moroccan occupation of the western Sahara

It will surprize you, but for many years I was getting a lot more mailings about Western Sahara than about Israel. Perhaps, because I speak Spanish and lived in Spain for a while. BTW, Mexico has both Palestinian and SPDR embassies - and they produce roughly equal ammounts of news.

But, anyway, you were responding to the post that said that Israel is not being held "to a different standard than they hold any other Western power." You chose to illustrate the contrary with Morocco and Bhutan. I guess, Morocco is geographically pretty far West, but that was not what that poster had in mind, I believe.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Northern Ireland: Bakers have no right to free speech on: May 20, 2015, 08:10:45 pm
The Baker has every right to produce a cake against gay marriage - in that sense his free speech is not infringed. Nor is the speech he finds distatesteful is imputed to him: everybody is aware that it is by some group he has nothing to do with. The issue is, merely, wheter he can discriminate in service provision based on the content involved. But that is very different from speech.
23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 07:32:39 pm
The head of FIFA has already explicitly said there are no grounds to suspend Israel - something they didn't even consider doing to Iran when they butchered hundreds of peaceful protestors in the streets and hung gay teenagers - so any further action on that front will only discredit FIFA, much like "Zionism is Racism" discredited the UN.

As for the actual article - asshole proposes bad policy, government looks into it and doesn't put it into effect.

The asshole happens to be the Defense Minister. Happy, at least, you are willing to acknowledge he is an asshole.

Yeah, at first it was just "anonymous official", but if the Defense Minister is responsible, that's a more serious issue.

Still, Netanyahu determines policy, not him. And Netanyahu is a smart man who wouldn't sign on to something like this.

And Netanyahu has just appointed this asshole to the Defense post.  BTW, that is the position from which the asshole in question has nearly absolute control over the lives of Palestinians in the territories (unless the PM is willing to step in, of course). BTW, from what we know, on any "assholeness" measure one can think of, this guy is well under the median in the present government. Which Mr. Netanyahu-the-adult has just appointed.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Palestinians banned from riding same buses as Israelis: official on: May 20, 2015, 07:27:43 pm
The head of FIFA has already explicitly said there are no grounds to suspend Israel - something they didn't even consider doing to Iran when they butchered hundreds of peaceful protestors in the streets and hung gay teenagers - so any further action on that front will only discredit FIFA, much like "Zionism is Racism" discredited the UN.

As for the actual article - asshole proposes bad policy, government looks into it and doesn't put it into effect.

The asshole happens to be the Defense Minister. Happy, at least, you are willing to acknowledge he is an asshole.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Mexico June 7th 2015 elections on: May 20, 2015, 07:23:41 pm
http://www.milenio.com/df/PRD_preferencias-preferencias_electorales-encuesta_GEA-ISA-PRD_elecciones_0_521348061.html

GEA-ISA poll has for DF legislative assembly

PRD           28
PRI            17
PAN           13
Morena      12

I wonder what PVEM and PT support would be as that would make a difference.  This is a poor result for PAN who last few election cycles has been ahead of PRI-PVEM in DF even though well behind PRD.



Same pollster seems to be giving very strange results in NL (PRI 38%, PAN 33%, Independent "Bronco" 15% - far at variance with others). They were widely accused of manipulating their results for campaign reasons in 2012.
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