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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Polyamory on: January 14, 2017, 11:41:14 pm
I have a whole host of concerns about joint property ownership and income tax filings when more than two people are joined, and especially the nature of divorce law when, say, one person leaves a four-person marriage. It would be frighteningly complex and, unlike same sex marriage, would require rewriting marriage laws from top to bottom to account for all of the scenarios.

I feel this is the only reasonable justification for opposing (legal recognition of) polyamorous relationships. There is no reason why anyone should be concerned with what other reasonable consenting adults are doing together if that's what they want
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: January 14, 2017, 05:15:06 pm
Why don't you ask the posters who have met me in real life?

Nothin' personal, BRTD, just can't imagine how I would find myself liking or enjoying the company of someone who writes off everyone who is different from him that quickly.

Spending a day with BRTD was a fascinating experience and I'd recommend it to anyone
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite Poster: Best of the Best on: January 14, 2017, 08:46:34 am
Antonio -

In 2015 I jokingly made a few hyperbolic/"ironic" pro-Trump remarks because I thought he was a harmless buffoon who had no chance of winning - and at the time I quite liked the the symbolism of how he appeared to be tearing the Republican Party apart from the inside even he simultaneously represented everything wrong with the modern GOP. In hindsight I'm ashamed that I lacked the judgement to take Trump seriously. I completely fail to understand, however, how you could possibly feel justified in calling me "intellectually shallow" for treating Trump like a joke (which he is) before I recognized him as a threat. It's blatant arrogance for you to so smugly insist on your intellectual superiority - and to disregard all input and commentary I've offered ever since - just because you noticed a growing problem a little sooner than I did.

Back to my original point though, which is that your opinion of Trump jokes is completely irrelevant in this situation. Mikado was never an "ironic Trump supporter" regardless of how broadly you define that term. Mikado was probably the first Atlas forum poster to recognize the probability of Trump's success and was a consistent voice of caution/realism even when the rest of us were arguing whether Hillary would have a bigger landslide in the electoral college or the popular vote. He possessed this foresight not because he thought it was funny to support Trump (which is a suggestion that's as demeaning as it is ludicrous) but because he's capable of setting aside his emotions when he examines a topic with logic -- which appears to be a skill you'd do well to master as well.

tl;dr Mikado is the best poster and it appears that you're dismissing his foresight just because you apparently can't understand someone can oppose Trump without compulsively censoring his name
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you have health insurance? on: January 14, 2017, 07:33:06 am
I don't have health insurance but only because my Republican state government refuses to expand Medicaid

5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite Poster: Best of the Best on: January 14, 2017, 12:13:35 am
Your talking about "is". I'm talking about "ought". You still haven't answered.

Mikado didn't support Trump, ironically or otherwise - he was simply one of the few people who correctly identified the likelihood of Trump's success very early on and was able to understand the root causes of the entire Trump phenomenon (that would eventually lead to his presidency) back when "serious pundits" like 538 were giving him literally a -10% chance of becoming President. That degree of vision and foresight is absolutely not the same thing as someone jokingly supporting Trump. You're doing an intellectual disservice to all of us by implying he "ought" to not have acknowledged Trump's success just because Trump is an objectionable and terrible person.

It's that head-in-the-sand mentality that caused November's abhorrent election result more than any other factor - so many people who should have known better were in a position to potentially stop Trump from reaching the White House, but they refused to accept the possibility of a Trump victory because it wasn't the kind of thought that "serious people" should be entertaining.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite Poster: Best of the Best on: January 13, 2017, 07:20:40 pm
how on earth have Polnut and Flo become so unappreciated??
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Sounds like McMullin might be about to announce a run on: January 12, 2017, 07:29:25 pm
regarding the Huntsman talk: he's very strongly implied he will run if (and only if) Hatch retires.

It's now been eight years since he's lived in the state though so I wonder if that would prove to be a challenge for him
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The FDA and vaping on: January 12, 2017, 07:22:25 pm
1.smoking isn't a disease
2.smoking still isn't a disease, and neither is "addiction"...i understand some people want to change the definition, well, good luck I guess.
3.really, you really think vaping might be as bad as smoking? 'cause that's the only thing that matters here
5.you don't care that private entities can't make a factual claim because of this?  k, that's weird, surely you understand that other people might not like it?
6.yep, that's what they're doing, not sure why it needed to be pointed out again

If you're going to crudely dismiss and blatantly misinterpret everything I'm saying then I don't really see the point in continuing this conversation, thanks.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are heterodox ideologies disproportionately represented on this board? on: January 12, 2017, 02:40:37 am
that feel when you make an effortpost and it's ignored
10  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: This isn't okay on: January 12, 2017, 02:36:26 am

hey frank i didn't know they were letting you back in around here, good to see you
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The FDA and vaping on: January 12, 2017, 02:23:13 am
I agree with Averroes that the FDA is terrible at many things and I don't want vaping to be regulated but I honestly understand their logic here

1. they have a legal mandate to regulate consumable products that claim to treat diseases and require such statements be veritably accurate and ensure they are specific enough to not contravene regulations through implications or vagueness of claims

2. honestly substance addition *is* a disease in and of itself whether that's technically true by the FDA's guidelines or not, but besides that, cigarette use is so intensely associated with so many deadly diseases that cigarette addiction is virtually synonymous with "will probably develop a severe lung condition and/or some type of cancer" to the extent that "quit smoking" is effectively literally shorthand for "no longer dying of cancer hopefully"

3. honestly the jury is still out on a lot of the long-term effects that regular and frequent vaping might have on the body.

4. I've personally seen people switch back and for between vape and cig, and even a couple of people who became regular smokers only after getting into vaping, so the relationship isn't as cut and dry as "vaping stops you from smoking"

5. at the end of the day who even gives a sh what the FDA puts in the fine print or whether they allow specific phrases to be used in advertisement when its benefits as an anti-smoking tool has spread everywhere through word of mouth anyway

6. its not like they're implying literally any ability to regulate vaping on its own, just whether a specific claim about vaping referencing another substance regulated by the FDA is permissible in the context of commercial claims made referencing that substance
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are heterodox ideologies disproportionately represented on this board? on: January 08, 2017, 06:38:28 am
I very strongly disagree with the majority opinion here.

Most people have no concept of ideological purity/consistency with regards to their own beliefs. On most issues, voters feel no pressure to conform with like-minded politicians/groups, even among those voters who actively identify with a specific political party. Even high-information voters tend to have an amalgamation of views from all over the political spectrum. If anything, I would argue that Atlas forum members are less likely to hold heterodox views. The forum is full of frequent and ongoing debates about every sort of political issue - but it's also the platform for a very active social environment. This combination definitely causes a strong (albeit generally subconscious) pressure to consistently conform with the specific beliefs of other like-minded forum members.

To better understand the views of the US as a whole, take a look at something like this (and break down results by political party) to see the not-insignificant portion of people who go against the grain on a given issue. Traditional opinion polls show the same thing, and the pattern is just as strong if you examine breakdowns by ideology rather than party. Typically, a fifth or more will disagree with their own group even on topics that are conventionally understood to be prominent wedge issues.

Here's a few specific examples that demonstrate my point:

32% of Republicans are pro-choice
27% of Republicans want to raise corporate taxs
15% of Republicans demand universities should be safe spaces that provide trigger warnings
33% of Republicans think labor unions are FF's

37% of Democrats support waterboarding
20% of Democrats oppose gun control
27% of Democrats like Confederate flags on government property
18% of Democrats endorse an Indiana-style Religious Freedom Act

See what I mean?
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Favorite poster who joined in 2016 on: January 08, 2017, 04:57:26 am
I never realized just how distant I'd gotten from the community here until I saw this poll and only recognized three names
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has Anyone on Atlas Ever Dated Another Atlas Poster? on: December 30, 2016, 04:46:23 pm
during the philadelphia trip i saw flo and adam cuddling in bed together

and i'm not even going to mention what retromike, smilo, and icespear were up to

(just to clarify this post is a joke)
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has Anyone on Atlas Ever Dated Another Atlas Poster? on: December 30, 2016, 03:10:26 pm
I know I am in love with an Atlas poster. Smiley

16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Free Radio: First Official Release (Interview w/ Bacon King) on: December 30, 2016, 10:07:03 am
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: U.S. hits Russia with new sanctions over election hacks on: December 29, 2016, 08:34:08 pm
"russia hacked the election" is the pizzagate of the left. all the partisan hacks on both major sides are nothing short of stupid.

The proof for that is chilling right next to Iraq's WMD.

In a way, I envy people who can still treat the CIA as a reliable source.

hi guys i know "truth" is kind of a challenging concept for you people but maybe try paying attention to it for once because there are so many independent analysts who have confirmed and verified that the attacks on the DNC servers and such were committed by Russian-affiliated assets that have been publicly identified for years. I mean I guess you can stick your head in the sand and delude yourself into believing Kremlin propaganda if you really want to but I just want to clarify that your false opinions are literally the information security equivalent to denying something like global warming or the heliocentric model. I guess if you really do love denying objective facts though I hear the Flat Earth Society is looking for new members
18  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: December 28, 2016, 12:18:22 pm
lol I just now saw this conversation

1. In the immediate aftermath of the scandal Tweed was kind of a dick to me but a month later he reached out and was very regretful and apologetic about everything that happened. I don't hold a grudge against him and we're cool now I think

2. I present as a male to the world but personally identify as "genderqueer" (for lack of a better term). Basically I wish I was born a woman and have a very feminine attitude in general but I have 27 years of experience living as a man. It's what I'm familiar with and it's the context in which I know how to interact with the world. I'm more-or-less content with the external status quo now that I have accepted myself internally. I also doubt I have the mental fortitude to transition anyway

3. PiT lol come on man

4. If you're making a list of "why Republicans control the government" I'm fairly certain "the left's stance on trans issues" is pretty close to the bottom of the list. Like Donald Trump has literally said he thinks trans people should be allowed to use whichever bathroom they want lol. Nobody cares about the attitude of "SJWs" except for internet neckbeards and incoherently rabid partisans
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which is more secure, John Podesta's password or your Atlas password? on: December 28, 2016, 11:19:44 am
Literally everyone of us is more carefull with the internet than John Podesta.

Oh really?


(too soon?  Tongue )

20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Amendment Person are you? on: December 27, 2016, 10:28:25 pm

You what?
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Amendment Person are you? on: December 27, 2016, 03:42:39 pm
Some people call me a 5th Amendment Person but personally with this poll I insist on remaining silent
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Birthday, BK! on: December 27, 2016, 02:34:49 pm
Happy belated birthday, BK.  Your initials are the same as Burger King, so let's all get a Whopper to celebrate.

BK actually now has a burger called the Bacon King!

I felt obligated to test the quality of my namesake and it was absolutely terrible don't buy one

23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: PAPOY Creepfest 2017 on: December 27, 2016, 02:28:28 pm
My new glasses have arrived! I'll be wearing my new contacts 75% of the time so I decided on taking a risk with the style

24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Give the Previous Poster an Award on: December 23, 2016, 01:30:08 am
Most Ironic Username
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Birthday, BK! on: December 21, 2016, 10:08:12 pm
aww thank you!
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