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11901  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: November 11, 2008, 01:33:32 am
I declare my candidacy for the upcoming special senate election.
11902  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: November 11, 2008, 01:29:58 am
Bacon King
Jesus Christ Party


Well, I haven't seen any semblance of activity out of the NLC organization in ages, so I'ze just hopin to spice things up.
11903  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: November 11, 2008, 01:22:12 am
Bacon King
Jesus Christ Party
11904  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Facebook group? on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:21 am
Too cool for facebook, guys, or just too cool for us?
11905  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: County Maps for House Races on: November 10, 2008, 10:57:14 pm
Isn't Gainesville split between two seats?
11906  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: AIG Holds Another Resort Junket on: November 10, 2008, 10:21:00 pm
11907  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Georgia Senate Run-off: Chambliss vs. Martin on: November 10, 2008, 09:34:11 pm
Chambliss with 54%.
11908  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Obama & Biden family SS code names on: November 10, 2008, 03:58:27 pm
What was McCain's? "maverick"?
11909  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: CA Gov Race Begins on: November 10, 2008, 03:26:30 pm
Gavin Newsom!
11910  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: HuffPost: Obama's gonna close Gitmo! on: November 10, 2008, 02:23:40 pm
Even if we accept that argument, is there any excuse for the living conditions?

Let's see . . . some living in their own rooms while others live in general quarters.  All but a few have access to outdoor group activities.  Plus three square meals a day and advanced medical care and are allowed to freely practice their religion.  Yeah, I feel so sorry for them and their living conditions. 

from Human Rights Watch:

(Washington, DC, June 10, 2008) – More than two-thirds of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, including many cleared for release or transfer, are being housed in inhumane conditions that are reportedly having a damaging effect on their mental health, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.
The 54-page report, “Locked Up Alone: Detention Conditions and Mental Health at Guantanamo,” documents the conditions in the various “camps” at the detention center, in which approximately 185 of the 270 detainees are housed in facilities akin to “supermax” prisons even though they have not yet been convicted of a crime. These detainees have extremely limited contact with other human beings, spend 22 hours a day alone in small cells with little or no natural light or fresh air, are not provided any educational opportunities, and are given little more than a single book and the Koran to occupy their time. Even their two hours of “recreation” time – which is sometimes provided in the middle of the night – generally takes place in single-cell cages so that detainees cannot physically interact with one another.
“Guantanamo detainees who have not even been charged with a crime are being warehoused in conditions that are in many ways harsher than those reserved for the most dangerous, convicted criminals in the United States,”
said Jennifer Daskal, senior counterterrorism counsel at Human Rights Watch. “Security measures don’t justify locking people in windowless cells 22 hours a day, for months and years on end, with almost no opportunity for human interaction, physical exercise or mental stimulation.” 
Unlike prisoners – including convicted terrorists – in most “supermax” prisons in the United States, none of the Guantanamo detainees have been allowed visits by family members and very few have been able to make phone calls home. Several are reportedly suffering depression and anxiety disorder, and some have reported having visions and hearing voices. Requests by attorneys for outside psychiatric evaluations and improvements in conditions of confinement have generally gone unanswered. 
For many detainees, the isolating confinement is not a time-limited response to a disciplinary infraction, but something that they have faced, day in and day out, for years. 
Guantanamo officials claim that detainees are housed in these supermax-like facilities because of bad past behavior, and that they can earn their way out with good behavior. However, there is no regular review process, no time period for the reviews, and no set rules or guidelines dictating when someone should be housed in such extreme conditions. Several detainees have reported that they have no idea why they remain in such harsh living conditions and have little hope of being moved. 
Based on interviews with government officials and attorneys, this report details the experiences of more than a dozen detainees who have spent years in such conditions, including several detainees who have long ago been cleared for release from Guantanamo, but cannot be repatriated due to the likelihood they will be tortured upon return. It also describes the experiences of two detainees – Mohammed Jawad and Mohammad El Gharani – who were teenagers when they were taken into custody and have now spent a quarter of their lives at Guantanamo. Jawad has reportedly tried to commit suicide at least once, and El Gharani at least seven times. 
“Guantanamo should be closed, and many of these detainees will ultimately be released,” said Daskal. “In the meantime, it is unwise and short-sighted to house them in conditions that likely have damaging psychological effects and will only breed hatred and resentment of the United States over the long term.” 
In March 2008, the Pentagon announced that it would allow detainees to make phone calls home, with an ultimate goal of two phone calls per year. To date, however, only approximately 40 detainees have been allowed phone calls under this new program. Military officials at Guantanamo have also told Human Rights Watch that they plan to make several additional changes in the future, including allowing increased recreation time, providing regular opportunities for detainees to congregate, and instituting additional language classes. No schedule for these improvements, however, has yet been announced. 
These reforms are long overdue, and should be implemented as soon as possible, Human Rights Watch said. Human Rights Watch also urged the United States to limit the use of supermax-like units as punishment for set 30-day periods and not as facilities for long-term detention, allow videoconferencing in addition to phone calls with family members, and provide detainees with educational opportunities and materials to promote mental engagement and reduce depression, such as additional books and writing and drawing materials.

11911  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Obama has first meeting without preconditions with militant, rogue world leader on: November 10, 2008, 02:13:41 pm
Wow, an extended conversation between Bush and Obama behind closed doors in the oval office with absolutely no one else around. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
11912  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: So what's next for Hillary? on: November 10, 2008, 02:02:01 pm
senior leadership figure in the senate
11913  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your precinct results? on: November 10, 2008, 12:54:46 am
Precinct 757, Hillsborough County, FL :

McCain : 51.18%
Obama : 47.26%

About 1.5% less then I said.

Well, apparently they did a recount. New results :

Obama : 52.87%
McCain : 46.07%

Weird that so many votes were missing in the first place. Even two supposed winners on the local levels were taken down by the recount. A county commissioner and our supervisor of elections.

omgz stolen election!

(except I don't think the supervisor of elections would cheat himself out of an office! Tongue)
11914  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of "Bob Dole" on: November 10, 2008, 12:42:12 am
seems a bit pretentious for a 14 year old but he's aight.
11915  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Hypothetical 2012 GOP Primary on: November 09, 2008, 11:55:03 pm
Though I don't agree with Jindal much politically, he seems to be a very intelligent guy and quite a competent administrator.
11916  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prop K fails in San Francisco on: November 09, 2008, 10:23:38 pm
did the one about renaming the sewage plant pass?
11917  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: What about Joe the Plumber? on: November 09, 2008, 07:59:08 pm
Congressional sacrificial lamb and then he'll probably write a book or something.
11918  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: What if Obama had not given the keynote speech at the 2004 DNC? on: November 09, 2008, 07:53:57 pm
Hillary Clinton takes the nomination in a cakewalk unless Gore gets involved. Also I bet a Bloomberg independent run would've been more likely.
11919  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Indiana 2008 : Projected Obama, SOS says McCain on: November 09, 2008, 07:48:40 pm
Looks like they haven't updated or something, the Atlas has 500,000 more votes than those totals.
11920  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Who lives in the most Pro-Obama/Pro-Clinton County? on: November 09, 2008, 05:57:57 pm
Orleans Parish was 79% Obama in the general election, 75% in the primary.
11921  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: County Maps for House Races on: November 09, 2008, 04:43:33 pm
No reccomendations in particular but I would love to see more maps Smiley
11922  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 23 Senators in 111th Congress have served <2 years on: November 09, 2008, 01:37:00 pm
Looks historically normal.
11923  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Top House Targets in 2010 on: November 09, 2008, 01:35:02 pm
Look, unless Obama's approvals are sky-high (I'll say above 65%) come Election Day in 2010, any Democrat south of the Mason-Dixon line not in a black-majority district or an affluent district should effectively start campaigning now.  Yes now.

her here nor there...

You should change that to any Democrat south of the Mason-Dixon line in a district Obama did not carry. 

I'm pretty sure the only districts Obama carried in the south are either black-majority or affluent.
11924  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Who should libertarians have voted for? on: November 09, 2008, 05:14:11 am
All I know is that any libertarian that voted for Barack Obama is not a libertarian.


Maybe so, but neither is any libertarian that voted McCain.

Also, totally unrelated, but is statist pronounced state-ist or stat-ist? Anyone?
11925  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Predict the Cabinet for both candidates? on: November 09, 2008, 02:24:50 am

Sec. of Treasury
Geithner 45.0
Summers 43.0
Volcker 12.0

If I did the Intrade thing I'd bet against all three of these. There's at least SOME chance it will be someone else.
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