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11901  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Hey, Massachusetts, New Jersey Is Passing on the Left on: February 11, 2008, 09:21:10 pm
Too bad it's unconstitutional w/o Congress agreeing to it.

Really? How so?
11902  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Hillary Clinton releases the worst campaign ad in the history of campaign ads on: February 11, 2008, 08:55:25 pm
I'll be honest. I thought it was funny, at least in a stupid sort of way.
11903  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Bush: "Obama would attack Pakistan, Embrace Amadinejad." on: February 11, 2008, 02:19:52 pm
Just to clarify, here: Obama never said he was going to attack Pakistan. He said attack Al Qaeda compounds within Pakistan as a last resort if the Pakistani government became completely uncooperative with efforts against Al Qaeda.

He said he would cross the borders to attack al Qaeda without Pakistani approval, and that action would be considered an act of war against the country of Pakistan itself.  (If you want to get technical.)

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.
11904  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Bush: "Obama would attack Pakistan, Embrace Amadinejad." on: February 11, 2008, 02:14:53 pm
If he did, I seriously doubt anyone would object.  Everyone loves the guy.  If he were to "pull an Iraq" so to speak, I think he'd be painted as a great war president by the media and his approval ratings would skyrocket and remain so for as long as we were in said war.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'm opposed to pretty much any concievable war.

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And in all honesty, nobody even knows what he'd do.  There's no prior history to show for him.  For that matter, can anyone explain to me why they even like Obama, excluding anything at all having to do with being "inspirational?"  How well he speaks is irrelevant to how well positioned he is to bring about real, actual change and results; so far he hasn't proven he's able to do so.  I vote on who has the best views on the issues, and the most experience to carry those views forward; not on who delivers the greatest speech, which is, I fear, the main reason most of America--especially younger voters--are supporting the guy:  he sounds great, so he must be great.  Roll Eyes

Clay, why have you been so vile lately? Its almost as if you've transcended opposition and are now into petty hatred. I, just like you, support the candidate who I believe has the best views on the issues. Can you please understand that? Last autumn, I read Obama's book Audacity of Hope and I was suprised that I agreed with nearly everything he said. He also has a record of being a strong leader, even if he doesn't have the Washington insider experience (which is more a bad thing anyway, IMO). I support Obama due to his political beliefs. And, quite honestly, I think it's pretty low of you to assume that Obama's supporters don't know what their candidate stands for.

I don't think he'll attack Pakistan

So hes a flip flopper?

Main reason why I don't like Obama is because of his "invade Pakistan" comments he made awhile back.

Just to clarify, here: Obama never said he was going to attack Pakistan. He said attack Al Qaeda compounds within Pakistan as a last resort if the Pakistani government became completely uncooperative with efforts against Al Qaeda.
11905  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: AOL's internet straw poll on: February 11, 2008, 07:16:04 am
five states are wrong so far.
11906  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Official Maine Caucus Results Thread on: February 10, 2008, 10:05:35 pm
Beet, "extremely dangerous" is empty rhetoric and you know it. Also, Obama's served more than two years.
11907  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Huckabee calls Washington Caucus results "dubious", sending lawyers on: February 10, 2008, 08:13:00 pm
Huckabee needs to accept already that he lost the nomination, dragging on with this (especially with lawyers) isn't going to make anyone happy.

If he thinks he's been gypped out of a win anywhere, even if it's too late to win the nomination, then why should he care about making the party machine and party hacks happy?

So by that logic, anyone who loses the nomination of any party should do all they can to screw the party over...because they didn't win.  Nice.

uh, what? where did Al say that, exactly?
11908  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Hillary will now roll out the "must seat Forida and Michigan" card on: February 10, 2008, 11:56:16 am
A primary would cost to much money, I've heard. If there's a revote, I'm betting it would be a caucus.
11909  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Six degrees of opebo? on: February 10, 2008, 11:50:09 am
Interesting, if stupid, question. I've had seven sex partners, opebo has probably had hundreds. No idea if they connect, or how. I'd guess not.
11910  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How has your opinion of the preceding poster changed sincethey1st startedposting on: February 10, 2008, 11:41:13 am
Started slightly negative, and has only gotten worse over time.
11911  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Likelihood of an Alasian politician on: February 10, 2008, 11:36:53 am
I could see several posters here becoming politicians in the future. Phil and Assad could each be a governor one day, or at least win their party's nomination. Naso could be a Congressman. Afleitch and Dave could be MPs, as could Earl. I could definitely see muon moving up the political ladder. Htmldon could go places in TN state politics. I could see Mr. Moderate running for congress or something in his forties. And of course, I'd like to try something one day, but that's just me.
11912  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: MAINE on: February 10, 2008, 11:18:32 am
Waitaminute, seven hour long primaries?
11913  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Clinton has only 9 state delegations as of today on: February 10, 2008, 11:03:29 am
This is of course blatant spin, but Hillary hasn't gotten more delegates than Obama on any single election night so far this year.
11914  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--GOP results thread on: February 09, 2008, 09:29:12 pm
I'm assuming some insanely low turnout for the GOP caucus in WA to get something like that.
11915  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread on: February 09, 2008, 09:19:15 pm
By the way, everyone, don't pay attention to the LA results yet. Romney at 24% means that what we're seeing now are all absentees or something.
11916  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread on: February 09, 2008, 08:18:07 pm

Louisiana, I meant, though I don't remember. Do polls close at eight central or eastern time?
11917  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread on: February 09, 2008, 08:13:31 pm
LA polls closing now, yes?
11918  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Southeast Progressive Primary on: February 09, 2008, 08:01:09 pm
1. Keystone Phil
2. Jas
3. Sensei
11919  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Southeastern Tornado Response on: February 09, 2008, 05:38:01 pm
Let me walk you through the facts here.

The poverty line for a family of four is $20,444 per year. That's $393 a week, before taxes, rent, food, etc. Around 100,000 people displaced by Katrina were below the poverty line (source), so one would assume a sizable portion of New Orleans was making less than $400 a week.

Assuming, say, an evacuation to Baton Rouge, which was closer than most, evacuees would travel around eighty miles one way, spending about $30 on gas for a round trip- assuming they even had a car. Riding the bus is more expensive. A hotel room for four costs at least $50 a night (usually more, you know), and considering a stay of at least two nights, a hotel stay would cost at least $120 with taxes.

That's $150 just to evacuate and find a place to stay. Do you seriously think that a family can easily afford to make such a sudden payment when they make less than $400 a week? If so, you are hopelessly disillusioned.
11920  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: MSNBC under fire from Clinton Campaign on: February 09, 2008, 03:50:41 pm
Yeah, the anchor should be forced to apologize; he really shouldn't have said that. However, Clinton is taking it a bit too far and is obviously refusing to participate in further MSNBC debates due to its bias against her.
11921  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Feb. 9th and 10th election predictions on: February 09, 2008, 07:59:30 am
Maine:
C: 55%
O: 44%

Louisiana:
C: 51%
O: 48%

Washington:
O: 60%
C: 39%

Nebraska:
O: 61%
C: 37%
11922  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Whose primary is more democratic? on: February 09, 2008, 07:54:42 am
Both suck.
11923  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Is this how the Democrat Primary race will end up looking? on: February 08, 2008, 11:16:56 pm
I think Obama has a better shot at Ohio than most people on the forum do. 

Well, true, but most people on the forum aren't running for the Democratic nomination.
11924  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Landscape for Obama is more favorable from here on on: February 08, 2008, 03:59:47 pm
If PA was an open primary, I think it'd be worse for Obama. You'd have thousands of crossovers from the Republicans who would vote Hillary just because she'd be a weaker opponent in the general election.
11925  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Repeal of the Military Enlargement Act [At Final Vote] on: February 08, 2008, 03:56:17 pm
Oui.
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