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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Most Partisan Posters from Both Major Parties on: March 26, 2015, 06:47:15 pm
Those states are not claiming to be drawn in a nonpartisan fashion!   How thick do you have to be to not get this distinction?

Anytime someone on this site agrees with Republicans about anything, they are deemed a GOP hack.  

This isn't only about the CA thread. This is a overall impression about Torie. I recall him for instance drawing an OHIO map where the democrats would have got only 4 districts and saying it was a fair map.



To which Ohio map that I drew are you referring?  Let's get the map up first, and then I will comment.  Thing is, that I am aware of no such map that I drew where I claimed 1) the Dems would net only four seats ( as opposed to 4 in the bag with other seats within easy reach, or realistic reach), and 2) was "fair" in the sense that it tried to hew to Muon2's metrics. The thing is, is that in so many states, to get a map where the Dems get a share of the seats that matches their statewide percentages, one has to gerrymander in favor of the Dems to get there. That's because the Dems tend to packed in high concentrations in inner city CD's. You draw those hewing to appropriate governmental entity line subdivisions, and voila, a lot of surplus Dems reside within them, in 20% or more Dem PVI CD's. And suddenly the remaining terrain, becomes a much more friendly Pub playground.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you, have you ever had the above poster on ignore? on: March 26, 2015, 06:02:17 pm
No, obviously not. But actually it is bad form for Cave folks to have posters on ignore. How can we spy effectively on who is doing what to whom, unless we can see the incriminating/exculpatory evidence right in front of our beady little eyes on the computer screen?  
3  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: What Happened to Phil? on: March 26, 2015, 10:26:08 am
I was surprised Phil did not appear to share with us the good news that a Pub just won a state assembly seat in perhaps his district in NE Philly, in a district that votes normally 2-1 Dem. The competing factions of the Dem machine in Philly had a spat, and Brady faction tacitly supported the Pub.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Cabrini-Green Housing Projects? on: March 24, 2015, 07:43:37 am
Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

Chicago has real cool L and subway and train lines. You might try them sometime.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Cabrini-Green Housing Projects? on: March 24, 2015, 07:41:29 am
God allowed Nobel to invent dynamite for a reason.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Rick Perry on: March 24, 2015, 07:40:33 am
A pleasant enough (actually more pleasant than most of his ilk) idiot.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you think Andrew Cuomo is a sociopath? on: March 24, 2015, 07:39:06 am
No. He just has some sharp elbows, and cuts some noisome deals, in a state that gets its lube jobs that way.
8  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Per SCOTUS, initiative created redistricting commissions may be l'histoire on: March 23, 2015, 05:22:23 pm
If a whole county is disconnected internally, pay it no mind if not chopped. That is over-thinking matters. But chopping that county between its two disconnected parts, perhaps should not count as a chop. i fear that is getting too complicated however.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 on: March 23, 2015, 08:45:52 am
Are the Brit polls in the run up to the election normally this static?
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you rather have as president? on: March 23, 2015, 08:43:45 am
ted cruz of course

#nomoredynasties

Is Cruz going to be your Herman Cain for the coming election cycle? Tongue
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you rather have as president? on: March 23, 2015, 08:42:24 am
Hillary, a lady whose ethics I don't trust. But Cruz is unfit for office. Period.
12  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Per SCOTUS, initiative created redistricting commissions may be l'histoire on: March 22, 2015, 05:00:37 pm
You  have a double chop of Paradise. One precinct from your NV-4 is entirely within Paradise, and two or three more have most of their population in Paradise. I could have done a double chop of Paradise too, but decided it better to do the second chop in another jurisdiction (not sure of the name of the place directly east of Las Vegas).
13  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Per SCOTUS, initiative created redistricting commissions may be l'histoire on: March 22, 2015, 11:20:52 am
In other news, with the Pubs winning the trifecta in Nevada of all places in 2014, there was chatter of new CD lines being drawn, but apparently the Pubs were wise enough to see the writing on the wall, and suggest - well, you guessed it - a commission to draw the lines, and then only in 2022. The latest iteration given perhaps the SCOTUS chat, was making the commission but advisory, because the legislature could vote the plan down (but maybe absent one party holding the trifecta, it would become law absent a bi-partisan deal for something else).  

Anyway, if the lines were drawn per Muon2's little rules, I suspect the below would be the top scoring plan (at least from the chop standpoint), if one slavishly follows Muon2's tyrannical edict that there must be highway connections between land masses (which has the most unfortunate consequences for the Pubs here given the North Las Vegas blockage). Thus, it's a plan that the Pubs most definitely would not like, and not be drawing themselves. Tongue Sometimes the rules work well for the Pubs, as in AZ for example, and sometimes they suck, and for them the other side of the River Styx is a river named the Colorado.


14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Riyadh or Pyongyang? on: March 21, 2015, 08:29:46 am
It would be a tougher choice if I were female.
15  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: The Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse on: March 21, 2015, 08:24:05 am
Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley

The Pubs are on the uptick with Hispanics. Mittens just didn't connect. Stay tuned. Smiley

Would be interesting to see a shred of evidence to that Smiley

Torie's evidence: an anecdote given to him by his gardener.


Sigh. Ah the drums shall forever beat for the rich white man's condescension and exploitation of those perhaps less fortunate meme, won't they? It fits in so seamlessly with one's world view with which they find favor. Resistance is futile. Sad

I would have expected a lawyer to actually have read the link he is posting. Would you mind telling us, where is any evidence of that "uptick" in there?

The word "uptick" does not connote some evidence of a long term trend. I sort of used the word jocularly, suggesting that perhaps there is hope. What the exit poll showed basically was no movement, with the Pub percentage up 6% from 2012 in 2014, but that uptick occurred in 2010 as well (albeit 2010 was a bit stronger Pub year than 2014). So yes, it appears that the uptick was mostly a turnout issue, that has been discussed so much between presidential election and midterm election cycles. The Pubs did get in excess of 40% in Georgia and Texas however, suggesting to me, that Hispanics do tend to adapt somewhat to the overall political culture, as TDFB suggested occurred in rural Colorado in his most interesting post. Hope that helps.

In the exit poll, albeit with a high margin of error, the Pubs did however evenly split the Asian vote however, a big uptick and a big surprise. Go Asians! Smiley 
16  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Per SCOTUS, initiative created redistricting commissions may be l'histoire on: March 20, 2015, 04:33:35 pm
No, Muon2, I don't find your map crappy, it's just inferior to mine. Smiley  It chops up Pinal County, and is somewhat more erose. All due to a rule that I don't think serves much purpose, other than to affect the erosity score. Does the map below, generating a micro chop, "fix" the problem since there is now a highway link, or is that a traveling chop? At most, one could perhaps levy a chop penalty, so one is indifferent between a gratuitous chop to get a highway link, versus not doing so. But I really don't favor even that, because chops cause administrative inconvenience with election authorities, and that matters. One should be sensitive to that. Your hard and fast rule with never sell in the public square in my opinion. It will be hard enough to sell your excellent ideas about highway links in general, without this one poison pill, with the ancillary collateral damage that folks  stop listening to the good arguments for using your proxy for erosity. JMO. I know your stubborn and prideful (probably an exercise in projection by me), but perhaps you might seriously consider throwing this minor little bone being tossed my way. It not like I am a wolf chasing that sleigh in War and Peace, where it required huge chunks of red meat being tossed out to deflect the wolves from chasing their live human prey. In contrast, all I ask for is one minor little dissected bone. Give it to me!  Tongue


17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of MormDem on: March 20, 2015, 03:38:52 pm
Well at least he's not an uber class warrior, and pleasant enough. FF.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Straight Thread on: March 20, 2015, 03:38:09 pm
"You can even post pictures of hot ladies you find attractive."

No, you really can't. DAVE deleted the hot guys and women threads in Off Topic, even digging into back pages where I had buried them (well the hot guys one), to try to save them at least for the archives. And absent any salacious pics, alas I suspect this thread is going to be an exercise in ennui. Face it, the gays around here get a lot more action. Deal with it.
19  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: The Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse on: March 20, 2015, 03:25:58 pm
Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley

The Pubs are on the uptick with Hispanics. Mittens just didn't connect. Stay tuned. Smiley

Would be interesting to see a shred of evidence to that Smiley

Torie's evidence: an anecdote given to him by his gardener.


Sigh. Ah the drums shall forever beat for the rich white man's condescension and exploitation of those perhaps less fortunate meme, won't they? It fits in so seamlessly with one's world view with which they find favor. Resistance is futile. Sad
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many posts does the previous poster have? on: March 20, 2015, 10:10:35 am
Grumps > Torie > too many.

Amen, brother.  If you cut out the Hudson posts, he'd be under 1000.  Roll Eyes

I think you dropped a zero there. Tongue
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been arrested? on: March 20, 2015, 10:09:07 am
Indeed i have. A pot bust and a DUI.
22  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban necromancy on: March 20, 2015, 08:57:31 am
Just ban that idiot retromike and this place will be much better.

The list of folks that you want to ban seems to have grown quite lengthy these days, hasn't it?   
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many posts does the previous poster have? on: March 20, 2015, 08:50:44 am
Grumps > Torie > too many.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How Long is Your Commute? on: March 19, 2015, 05:29:04 pm
I practice law now in my dining room. The dining table has been requisitioned, and has piles of paper on it. We eat on the coffee table in the living room.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the U.S. education reform movement on: March 18, 2015, 06:29:22 pm
From a 2010 review of the shoddy neoliberal propaganda "Waiting for "Superman"":

Quote from: Diane Ravitch
The movie asserts a central thesis in today’s school reform discussion: the idea that teachers are the most important factor determining student achievement. But this proposition is false. Hanushek has released studies showing that teacher quality accounts for about 7.5–10 percent of student test score gains. Several other high-quality analyses echo this finding, and while estimates vary a bit, there is a relative consensus: teachers statistically account for around 10–20 percent of achievement outcomes. Teachers are the most important factor within schools.

But the same body of research shows that nonschool factors matter even more than teachers. According to University of Washington economist Dan Goldhaber, about 60 percent of achievement is explained by nonschool factors, such as family income. So while teachers are the most important factor within schools, their effects pale in comparison with those of students’ backgrounds, families, and other factors beyond the control of schools and teachers. Teachers can have a profound effect on students, but it would be foolish to believe that teachers alone can undo the damage caused by poverty and its associated burdens.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/

Read what I wrote more closely.
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