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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas: Attorney General Paxton being investigated for securities fraud on: Today at 12:12:10 pm
interestting, but let's wait and see. these tx "special prosecutions" have a bad history of being political and not sticking.

Yeah, it smells more like a civil fine situation to me perhaps, rather than in crimbo territory.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's "anti-gay transition" on: Today at 12:07:22 pm
"Religious institutions can confirm if a couple is married, my argument is simply to get the government out of the marriage question all together."

Will there be any governmental restrictions as to whom a religious institution can deem married? If there are, the government is still in the marriage business. If not, then suddenly any two or more humans of any status will effectively be able to get married, via such religious institutions.  And even then the government will be in the marriage business, to the extent it restricts marriages to intra-species hookups. With all due respect, you really need to think this through better. There is no escape from the government being in the marriage business, because a basket of rights and duties attends the relationship.

And of course, restricting it to "religious" institutions would be unConstitutional, as favoring religion, as opposed to the government taking a neutral status, so how does one deal with that little detail?

We really need to get Rand Paul to participate in this thread. Where is he?  Tongue
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 11:45:36 am
Greek supreme administrative court will rule on the legality of the bailout referendum Today.

The court just ruled it's legal.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 11:44:06 am
What happens to Greece, and to the Eurozone,  if Greece gets no more cash from its lenders, so it can only spend what it takes in? What I am asking is assuming Greece never pays a dime back of its debt, but gets no more loans, what happens? What percent of its spending at the moment is red ink? I mean at the end of the day, nobody can force Greece to repay anything, but on the other hand, Greece can't force anybody to lend it more money either. So that to me seems the stalemate endgame.

What happens? Greece will have to print money, which means it has to leave the Euro. Officially, no one wants to get there. Unofficially, Schäuble and his fellow austerity hawks seem bent on doing anything in their power to make sure it happens.

It's totally impossible for Greece to cut spending enough to balance the cash flow?  Leaving the Eruo would effectively do the same thing, no - just via slashing spending through inflation in real "dollar" terms?
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Greek Referendum on IMF/Troika deal on: Today at 11:34:16 am
What happens to Greece, and to the Eurozone,  if Greece gets no more cash from its lenders, so it can only spend what it takes in? What I am asking is assuming Greece never pays a dime back of its debt, but gets no more loans, what happens? What percent of its spending at the moment is red ink? I mean at the end of the day, nobody can force Greece to repay anything, but on the other hand, Greece can't force anybody to lend it more money either. So that to me seems the stalemate endgame.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Forum Straw Poll for Democrats: 2016 Presidential Nominee on: Today at 10:43:23 am
I'm really totally clueless as to whom I will vote for in the Dem primary here in NY. I strongly doubt however that it will be Hillary.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's "anti-gay transition" on: Today at 10:30:44 am
Hmm. His rhetoric seems to have changed, but I'm not so sure his views have actually, tangibly changed on anything. In the older quotes he said he supported anti-discrimination laws or gays in the workplace but was against gay marriage "a healthy balance" as he said. Now, he says he wants to pass a constitutional amendment to let states ban gay marriage. It is obviously impossible for him to do any such thing, yet this isn't really a flip flop.

The obtuse answer where he said "it's in the constitution" was a reference to Wisconsin's state constitutional ban on gay marriage. Walker was saying that his opinion on it is irrelevant since it was in the constitution anyway. It shouldn't be remotely surprising to anyone following Walker that he said that. Again, his gubernatorial campaign was built somewhat on avoiding topics he viewed as a pointless distraction.

I won't begin to pretend that running in the Republican Primary isn't changing which issues he views as pointless distractions. In general he now has to give his actual opinion on a lot of things he used to be able to avoid. But he's always been a hardline conservative on pretty much every issue. That hasn't changed.

The real problem here is of course that he, as the article says, may be running to win the primary and lose the general election.

Whatever Walker is doing, being it tacking, emphasis change, irrelevant musings about ways out the box that he doesn't like that are DOA, doesn't this strike you TJ as all pathetically inept?  He also projects to me this ersatz quality, as if he is trying to read someone else's lines that are written for him, but just isn't doing it very well.
8  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: City of Hudson's weighed voting system under scrutiny on: Today at 09:46:46 am
The infill finally happened, but not most of the development of course. A bit north of Mill Street was where the garbage dump was. Today, that is in the process of being remediated with pipes sticking out releasing gases and so forth, and is a big mound covered with grass. Ultimately it will become park land. I walk over it en route to an abandoned road that goes through the woods to the High School. I call it my secret short cut. I discovered it looking closely at google earth. Of course the old time locals know about it, and some tell me they went there from the High School to smoke pot. Smiley

In other news, a couple of days ago, a movie was being filmed on Warren Street. It's a happening place, baby. I call it the biggest little city in America, supplanting Reno which had claimed that title, since Reno is no longer "little," but rather a sprawling urban-scape waste land.
9  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: City of Hudson's weighed voting system under scrutiny on: Today at 09:32:51 am
I see my block, Robinson St., was named "Sepe Walk" back then. Robinson was a beer brewer.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does John Kasich Really Have a Chance? on: Today at 09:29:16 am
He has a chance, and he's certainly at least reasonably competent. But he will really need to shine in the debates and get folks enthused to have a chance, and project gravitas. He has kind of an ah-shucks quality, which is fine, as long as he can turn it off, and sound serious and thoughtful and knowledgable on policy issues. I think Pub voters in general are very open minded at this point about the candidates, and are in a wait and see mode. That is why the poll fixation at this point is rather silly, other than for the purpose of who gets in the top 10 for the first debate. Kasich may be timing his announcement to get a poll bump at just the right time for the Fox News who gets in the debate poll metric for the first debate, to maximize his chances of getting in. Or he may be timing it a bit late. We shall see.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Your favorite of the following Plains States on: Today at 08:15:46 am
SD had the badlands and Black Hills. Texas has the hill country and Austin and San Antonio, and the Big Bend park area. Close call, but SD by a hair, since so much of the rest of Texas is just awful.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: If the above poster ran for President, what would be his best state? on: July 02, 2015, 05:59:07 pm
As a very liberal Pub on social issues, and centrist if not a bit to the left of that on economic issues, if he made it to the General? I would have to guess Wyoming (unless he is too militant on "green" issues). Obviously, he would do relatively well in Ohio, and the Midwest in general, and PA and NJ.  
13  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Guess the previous posters age. on: July 02, 2015, 05:54:43 pm
45
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Taking a break. on: July 02, 2015, 04:36:27 pm
I must say, that Badger must be an awesome prosecutor. My best advice to criminals, is get the F out of Badger's county. When he wants to bag you in court, he will be merciless! Smiley
15  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Predict the Previous Poster's Result in the Preceding County. on: July 02, 2015, 04:31:37 pm
46.5 (less against Hillary).

Fairfield County, Ohio

Was the above number given for me Badger when I was a Pub, or a Dem? Smiley
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Taking a break. on: July 02, 2015, 04:15:52 pm
CCSF.

If he's resorted to harassing posters via PM, that definitely is grounds for banning.

Nope. Unless he makes a sock account, the moderators here don't give a shit.

Whereas mods on AAD don't give a $hit, period. Or I forget: Are we wantonly banning too many people, or cravenly not banning enough? It's tough remembering which you are arguing on any given day.

And ftr, be a tad more judicious (i.e. accurate) in use of the all-encompassing terms "mods".

(Which reminds me, I have a banning petition to sign in another thread.....)

The point of AAD is that it is supposed to be lassiez-faire outside of significant personal attacks. That being said, they'd ban CCSF right away if he tried to sign up there.

Actually he is there. And I think that is a good thing.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are You in Favor of Polygamous Marriage? on: July 02, 2015, 03:46:59 pm
Sorry that I put up a duplicate thread to this. I think I will merge my thread into this if I can. And I have now done so.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are You in Favor of Polygamous Marriage? on: July 02, 2015, 03:45:43 pm
I didn't write the article.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the two above posters would you choose as a dormmate? on: July 02, 2015, 02:47:09 pm
Cathcon. Grumps would sabotage my computer so I can't post. And I'm in better shape than Grumps, so I don't need nursing services to boot.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are You in Favor of Polygamous Marriage? on: July 02, 2015, 02:38:06 pm
Here is an article advocating it.  One argument that the author of the article does not address/attempt to refute, that to me might of the most concern as a public policy matter is that it will tend to lead to a surplus of eligible males to females, as the alpha males collect multiple wives (unless offset by more males going gay, which is unlikely, or even more unlikely, there are enough polygamous marriages involving one woman and multiple men). Societies with a big surplus of males that can't find a wife, can be destabilizing to society, and even make it more warlike.
21  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: July 02, 2015, 01:42:27 pm
James the gay porn spammer Roberts has been banned. Sorry for all those PM's so many of you received. I am putting this up due to the numerous reports received requesting redress.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster's Signature: The Wrath of Khan on: July 02, 2015, 11:19:58 am
Time for some new material.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: See things from the other's perspective on: July 02, 2015, 10:39:54 am
Well, if by mob, we mean folks who may boycott businesses who are associated with causes or comments anathema to "the mob," OK, but socons have made threats to boycott businesses too from time to time. One has a right to boycott business for ideological reasons. This comment of mine refers to 2) and 3) below I think (as well to TJ's comment about Amazon and Google). As to 1), that is a legal issue, that is still in the process of being resolved (there are always folks around ready to sue over perceived rights), and hopefully SCOTUS in due course will protect the act of refusing to making gay themed wedding cakes as a protected act of religious expression. So I don't think 3) is a "mob" issue, it's a legal issue.

1) It is not enough for gay marriage to be legal.  You must force those who disagree with you to specifically perform for you, like by baking your gay wedding cake under penalty of law.  But of course, your gay marriage won't affect those who disagree in any way, right?
2) Brendan Eich, former Mozilla CEO, was pushed out of his job for the crime of donating to the "wrong" side of Prop 8.  And, as far as I know, hasn't found a job since.
3) You can't express your opinion against Mexican immigration.  If you do, Univision and NBC will pull your TV show for not expressing the politically correct view on the subject after agitation from the "progressive" mob.


Don't misunderstand my comment here; I am not saying the government should do anything to force Google and Amazon to sell Confederate flags. You know very well I want to make sure companies have the ability not to sell things against the conscience of the people who run them. I hope I've made that point abundantly clear over the years on here with everything from contraceptives to baking cakes for gay weddings to selling Hannukah trinkets. Tongue I am merely stating my opinion that I do not like Google and Amazon's refusal in this case. I don't believe for a second there is ounce of authenticity to their sudden conversion along the road to Damascus. Legally, of course, there doesn't have to be. Again, I am simply stating my opinion.

Fair enough.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kansas still refuses to recognize same-sex marriages on: July 02, 2015, 09:52:28 am
It was, but, I still believe what I believe.  A living document is something which helps with the times.  How can the rules of men who lived over 200 years ago still apply to us without a bit twisting.  We have so many things that they wouldn't have know about.  Without the notion of a living document, it's hard to apply the laws, and write them.  Social Security and Medicare, are they mentioned in the constitution.  No, but with some interpretation, you can find the rational for them. 

The tax and spending power is right there in the Constitution. That one was easy. Smiley

Doesn't the purpose of the spending have to fall within enumerated powers?

No, not really, as opposed to regulations, the spending power is close to an unlimited power is my recollection. SCOTUS has held that in certain situations, withholding funds to a state to influence the state's policies, that the Feds cannot directly dictate, can be deemed unduly "coercive."
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker's "anti-gay transition" on: July 01, 2015, 09:58:30 pm
How will a Constitutional amendment proposal work out when it requires 3/4 of the states to ratify, and at least more than a quarter of the states have gay marriage by non Judicial means, and a bunch more have legislatures overwhelming in favor of legalizing SSM? Putting aside all the policy issues, this is just so totally disingenuous. Well Walker's done anyway. Bye.
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