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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post a recent picture of your neighbourhood/city on: Today at 02:17:33 pm
Scotland really does have marvelous architecture. Pity it does not make up for its suck climate, but I digress.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: Today at 01:52:58 pm
If you remember the one time Dave got in an actual panic over copyright issues was the Hot Girls Thread. People who own the copyright to pictures of attractive women seem to be very fussy about their so-called rights.

Would agree that some of the copyright enforcement over articles etc. has been a 'bit' pedantic, but over this we have to be careful. Unfortunately.

A web crawler would likely flag the articles rather than the images, since all that's going on here is inline linking, which hasn't been legally settled.  The verdict is out on copy-pasting of news articles though.  I'm not sure why you think enforcement of copyright on articles has been pedantic.

Putting up links is fine. But when the images are pasted here, rather than just a link, that is not fine.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: Today at 01:51:48 pm
NYE, you have 24 hours to document to me that the images you used are in the public domain (there is no "fair use" exception when it comes to "poaching" images). If you don't, this thread will be deleted, and I will ask you not to do this again. The owner of this site wants us to not engage in copyright infringement. He made that very clear in the Cave - and it is his call, and his alone. It cannot be debated - just enforced. Thank you.

How does one document this stuff?

By showing their provenance. The odds these images are in the public domain is slim to none, but every defendant in the dock should have the opportunity to make their case, before the hammer comes down. If any of the images are Getty images, that is the worst, because they have staff that trawls in the internet looking for their poached images, and then they have their lawyers write to the site owner making it clear that they are very discommoded.

Another slim to none possibility is that NYE secured written permission to use the images. That one is about as likely as me being able to grow my hair back.

Quote his post back (without reposting it) and you can see the URLs.  Won't that tell you?

I did that, and Reuters came up on one. They are into copyright too. I thought I'd leave this burden to the poster. He knows from where they came in context. I don't. If he really wants them, he can spend the time trying to save them.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: Today at 01:33:31 pm
NYE, you have 24 hours to document to me that the images you used are in the public domain (there is no "fair use" exception when it comes to "poaching" images). If you don't, this thread will be deleted, and I will ask you not to do this again. The owner of this site wants us to not engage in copyright infringement. He made that very clear in the Cave - and it is his call, and his alone. It cannot be debated - just enforced. Thank you.

How does one document this stuff?

By showing their provenance. The odds these images are in the public domain is slim to none, but every defendant in the dock should have the opportunity to make their case, before the hammer comes down. If any of the images are Getty images, that is the worst, because they have staff that trawls the internet looking for their poached images, and then they have their lawyers write to the site owner making it clear that they are very discommoded.

Another slim to none possibility is that NYE secured written permission to use the images. That one is about as likely as me being able to grow my hair back.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Lupita Nyong'o wins the coveted title of PEOPLE Magazine's most Beautiful Woman on: Today at 01:18:41 pm
NYE, you have 24 hours to document to me that the images you used are in the public domain (there is no "fair use" exception when it comes to "poaching" images). If you don't, this thread will be deleted, and I will ask you not to do this again. The owner of this site wants us to not engage in copyright infringement. He made that very clear in the Cave - and it is his call, and his alone. It cannot be debated - just enforced. Thank you.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 01:03:57 pm
You are so right about gender discrimination having been a huge benefit to secondary education. My best teachers by far were women. They are gone now largely, because they are lawyers, and MD's, and so forth. But of course, we are not going back to that, and the same landscape obtains in Europe of course, which as the article noted, tend to be doing better than we are.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:57:34 pm
Yes, blame the parents, blame being poor, blame whatever. However, effective teachers can make a world of difference, and that is what studies show. Nothing else much matters. Being effective means being smart, knowing the material, and being charismatic, and knowing how to keep order and stare down the punks mouthing off and disrupting, while going forward with the lesson plan. You just keep talking about Sudan being until divided the largest country in Africa as you walk up to the disrupter, and get within a few inches of his eyes, and stare bullets at him.

Perhaps teachers would be more smart people if the job was more attractive. It's underpaid, you lose time fighting in unions/direction fights, with uninterested parents and school boards wanting to keep more money for themselves or to cut to cut taxes. It's not attractive at all.

Of course. Fire the incompetents, dump tenure, and reward the talented, like with 150K per year salaries in the tougher schools. And give them the disciplinary tools. I should be a teacher, you should be a teacher, my cousin should be a teacher. Yes, we should, but of course, for excellent reasons, we don't. Sad.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:55:07 pm
Yes, blame the parents, blame being poor, blame whatever. However, effective teachers can make a world of difference, and that is what studies show. Nothing else much matters. Being effective means being smart, knowing the material, and being charismatic, and knowing how to keep order and stare down the punks mouthing off and disrupting, while going forward with the lesson plan. You just keep talking about Sudan being until divided the largest country in Africa as you walk up to the disrupter, and get within a few inches of his eyes, and stare bullets at him.

For those wanting to get further depressed, check out a newly published book, The Son Also Rises.  The same families keep appearing at the top of the heap, century after century.  And when I think of my forebears. Putting aside wealth, they all seem to have been middle class since rocks cooled - for 200 years or more, and many highly successful. I won a valuable lottery ticket as it were, given who sired and bore me into this world.  It's sobering - very sobering.

I am beginning to sound a bit like opebo aren't I? Oh dear!  Sad

We need good teachers as well.  You haven't made the argument that teacher's unions caused a decline in teacher quality though. 

Yes, I would need to link the longitudinal studies for that. But the quality of teachers overall is shockingly poor - the C students from third rate schools as it were. When speaking to some of them, and reading their prose, the literary level they have is pathetic - and frightening. That has been my anecdotal experience, and what I have read elsewhere over the years.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:48:02 pm
Yes, blame the parents, blame being poor, blame whatever. However, effective teachers can make a world of difference, and that is what studies show. Nothing else much matters. Being effective means being smart, knowing the material, and being charismatic, and knowing how to keep order and stare down the punks mouthing off and disrupting, while going forward with the lesson plan. You just keep talking about Sudan being until divided the largest country in Africa as you walk up to the disrupter, and get within a few inches of his eyes, and stare bullets at him.

For those wanting to get further depressed, check out a newly published book, The Son Also Rises.  The same families keep appearing at the top of the heap, century after century.  And when I think of my forebears, putting aside wealth (100 years ago, almost everybody was poor by our standards), they all seem to have been middle class since rocks cooled - for 200 years or more, and many highly successful. I won a valuable lottery ticket as it were, given who sired and bore me into this world.  It's sobering - very sobering.

I am beginning to sound a bit like opebo aren't I? Oh dear!  Sad
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:29:42 pm
Educational attainment has not risen as much as in other countries because higher education is very poorly subsidized for the vast majority of individuals. In any case, more youngs hold a 4 year degree than olds, so it is you olds who are the dumbs. Smiley

By "other countries," do you mean the not as developed, not as rich ones, as opposed to the cohort of the more developed nations, which is what this comparison is about?

No, I mean the countries talked about in the article, the vast majority of whom heavily subsidize their higher education. Germany would be a fair comparison, no? America is fairly unique when it comes to financing higher education.


Bet you a bong filled with the best, that the same results obtain for 18 year olds (our secondary schools suck, relatively speaking). Higher education in the US is in any event heavily subsidized of course, with Pell grants and all of that, and junior colleges essentially close to free. You are getting into fairly elite territory (what maybe 20% of the population), when you are talking about those expensive 4 year colleges).  And do European nations really have a higher percentage of 4 year college graduates than in the US for the young adult cohort?  No, it really isn't about money in my opinion.  At most, that is a peripheral issue.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:25:07 pm
I'm fighting the urge to spew my anti-boomer opinions out in this thread.

Go for it!  Smiley
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Federal Judge Orders IN To Recognize Terminally Ill Womanís Same-Sex Marriage on: Today at 12:23:07 pm
The federal government has no right in this matter. This is simply immoral. Time to nullify.

Is that meant to be some kind of legal opinion, or rather, just your grand unified theory that Balkanized federalism is a predicate to the polis being a shining city on a hill?

It is interesting that so often, when the merits of a matter clearly dictate reaching conclusion A, that those favoring conclusion B then resort to non legally based make weight federalism arguments, as constraining any departure from what is otherwise very poor public policy. It drives me nuts, but that is just me I guess.  Federalism is really, really a pain in the ass. It really degrades debate in the public square, and does indeed very often lead to poor public policy choices, that are just nonsensical. I mean, e.g. (and it goes on and on, in so many different arenas), does it make any sense, for a gay couple who get legally married in say Iowa, to see their marriage effectively nullified, if due to their masochistic tendencies or whatever, they choose to decamp for Mississippi?  What do you think?
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 12:13:58 pm
Educational attainment has not risen as much as in other countries because higher education is very poorly subsidized for the vast majority of individuals. In any case, more youngs hold a 4 year degree than olds, so it is you olds who are the dumbs. Smiley

I wonder just how much the body of knowledge and skill that degree represents has been degraded over time - you know, like a high school degree.

By "other countries," do you mean the not as developed, not as rich ones, as opposed to the cohort of the more developed nations, which is what this comparison is about?
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Young Americans are dumbs on: Today at 11:31:48 am
Well, that is not the title of the article of course. And yes, it lays out what we already knew - that income inequalities in the US have grown exponentially, potentially threatening our democracy. But the real fist in the face is the observation in it, that while Americans age 55-65 (you know, my little age cohort), are the best educated in the developed world, Americans age 16-24 are close to the bottom of the heap.

I blame the teachers' unions for the bulk of this tanking in relative educational attainment. When I was young, they did not exist. That organization has done more damage to our nation than any other organization I can think of in the US. Just my opinion of course, but a firmly held one. There are longitudinal studies that document the decline over time, as the unions took over school district after school district, and the metrics that got kids educated slowly went down the tubes, along with teacher quality, discipline, you name it.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is this the worst post in the history of Atlas? on: April 22, 2014, 10:24:17 pm
Shockingly repulsive, even for someone with deficient critical thinking skills.

My conscience drives me to publically subscribe to the bolded part above.
16  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: April 21, 2014, 08:48:08 pm
Einzige is back? Excellent!

Next up: opebo and the jmfcst!

Nope. Isn't happening. That is just the way it is. What we want is not always what we get.
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban the use of the word 'sociopath' on: April 21, 2014, 08:46:48 pm
Cutting a little too close to home, I assume?

Nope, 'tis just a teensy bit irritating.

Have you ever pondered if you are perhaps wound up a bit too tight?
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban Barfbag on: April 21, 2014, 08:45:44 pm
I find the whole Barfbag episode a personal embarrassment. I think I had good motives, and wanted to lift him up as it were (this particular Pub really enjoys trying to lift up the least among us as it were), but was gamed and lied to. He is never coming back if I have any say in the matter.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone II - Less Boring, More Whoring on: April 21, 2014, 03:45:57 pm

Visiting Grinnell College. Also its rather embarassing to admit, but it'll be the first time I'm out of California...

My older brother went there. He gives it mixed reviews, but then he was there in the late 1960's, so his experience is rather out of date.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Hide behind the poll: have you ever taken a picture of your genitals? on: April 21, 2014, 03:37:18 pm
I've never really gotten the appeal of dick pics (dicks look pretty weird) but whatever, I don't have Snapchat

I have to agree.  Wouldn't a full-body nude shot be much more appealing for the person you're sending it to?

Both are rather essential actually.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: is the preceding atlasian more conservative or more liberal than your rep.? on: April 21, 2014, 03:35:01 pm
Grumps is far more socially liberal, and about the same on economic issues more or less.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who here has political ambitions? on: April 21, 2014, 02:39:28 pm
Yes, I tentatively plan to run for a common council seat for the Second Ward of Hudson, when one opens up (voted about 85% for Obama, but hey, that won't slow me down, cuz I'm a "different" type of Pub from most, and partisan affiliation is far less salient in local issues anyway), and who knows, maybe run for mayor someday. I am already sort of "campaigning."  Smiley
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: is your hair dyed? on: April 21, 2014, 02:12:42 pm
Of course (as to what little I have left), but I don't keep up with it, so it varies, and moves back towards its more "senior" coloring. Sad

Don't you all look forward to getting old?  Tongue

24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the previous poster's ideology on: April 21, 2014, 10:24:33 am
Way different than mine, but just because an ideology is different, does not mean it is bad necessarily. Reasonable minds can differ, folks give different weights to competing considerations, and sometimes one's surmises about where one's policy prescriptions will lead, and whether it really gets one effectively from point A to B, vary too. Anyway, I suspect we both have the same goals in the end - more opportunity, more equality, better educated people, more tolerance of diversity, and so forth. That is one thing I love about Hudson - being up close and personal with folks from all walks of life and color and ethnicity. That is what causes one's own horizons to expand, by being better able to step into the shoes of "the other," - to empathize more as it were. For me at least, it helps me to continue to "grow" as a person.  The journey is the thing,  more than actually getting to the destination, for me. Once I get there, I get restless and bored. Anyway, the end of yet another prolix and ennui inducing Torie post. Smiley
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Study: Marijuana use dangerous to young peoples' brains on: April 21, 2014, 10:04:18 am
The study was of people from 18-25. That's interesting. I guess maybe if I had not smoked pot then, I would have been a justice of the Supreme Court or something. I am not challenging the study. It just doesn't comport with my personal experience really. During that time I got 3 advanced degrees.

When did you start hitting the bong? As far as I know, studies like these show that marijuana use is markedly more detrimental during early teenage years compared to later teenage years.

About age 17.
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