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51  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump says states wont give voter info because it'll show he won the pop. vote on: July 07, 2017, 10:08:18 am

What are Trump and his supporters trying to cover for that they can't stop talking about the election months after it ended?
Were Democrats still talking about John McCain at this point in 2009? Were Republicans still talking about John Kerry at this point in 2005?

The fact they their President is incompetent, incapable, and ignorant. That even with a trifecta, they still can't effectively govern, failing to implement even their own deplorable agenda.

I still prefer whining about the election to the war (or whatever other horror) that Trump & Co would likely start as a distraction instead.

I don't get why so many seem to think starting a war in Syria or North Korea would make Trump massively popular: it isn't 2003 anymore, and the country is much more divided and war-weary than it was during the Bush years. The Syria strikes barely budged his approval ratings even though they got glowing, uncritical media coverage and all the pundits were swooning. Add to that, protracted wars almost inevitably become unpopular
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump says states wont give voter info because it'll show he won the pop. vote on: July 06, 2017, 02:34:14 pm
What are Trump and his supporters trying to cover for that they can't stop talking about the election months after it ended? Were Democrats still talking about John McCain at this point in 2009? Were Republicans still talking about John Kerry at this point in 2005?
53  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When will Mueller finish his investigation (poll) on: July 03, 2017, 09:51:55 am
Lots of people picking Second Half of 2018. I can't help but wonder if it's wishful thinking on Dem part to want Mueller to come out 2-3 months before the midterms.

One of the reasons I stated late 2018 - mid-2019 was because part of the investigation has already been going on since before Trump was inaugurated, and let's be honest, Trump and his colleagues appear to be stupid criminals. Trump literally admitted to obstruction on live TV and bragged about it to Russians he invited into the oval office. They have been making it really easy for Mueller and the FBI.

One specific where I could see this dragging out for quite a while is if Trump keeps doing potentially illegal things that ends up falling under Mueller's purview, which might delay any indictments.

This is why I think the investigation will drag out for years, probably long after the 2018 midterms.
54  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Did Ossoff even stand a chance? on: June 30, 2017, 03:14:33 pm
Yes, all things considered he was a good candidate who ran a good campaign, but still lost. There's a lot for Democrats to learn for 2018 and 2020:

1) Republicans will take any little thing and turn it into a campaign-ending scandal, and 90% of the time it's trifling bullsh[inks], whether it's the Clinton email server, Rob Quist smoking marijuana, or Ossoff living a mile outside the district. While it was certainly admirable for Ossoff to want to support his girlfriend while she was in med school, he should have realized this would be a vulnerability and just rented an apartment in the district. If he'd gotten elected, he would have been spending most of his time in DC anyway.
2) Nancy Pelosi and San Francisco are albatrosses around Democrats' necks. I feel torn on this because Pelosi is such an effective floor leader and because the San Francisco of right-wing imagination no longer even exists, but Republicans have irrevocably tarred her as part of a corrupt, out-of-touch establishment. And to be fair, they wouldn't be able to do so effectively if there weren't at least a grain of truth to this.
3) In future jungle primaries, we shouldn't be putting all of our eggs in one basket: a far better strategy is to run an Establishment Dem and a Berniecrat and be gauranteed either a hold or a pickup. The GOP has more factions (religious right, Trumpists, moderates, teabaggers, libertarians, etc.) so their vote will still be split more ways.
4) For the love of god, don't run ads like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIpHdyy2GI8.
5) Democrats need to bring out disengaged younger voters. The easiest way to do this is to support marijuana legalization. Single issue potheads are probably 10% of millennials and 20% of Gen Z. Like it or not, these people see no difference between the parties if you're not giving them their precious weed, and they won't vote. Anyone who strongly feels pot should remain illegal isn't voting Democratic, especially not in a place like GA-6. On a related note, I still think Hillary Clinton would be president right now if she had come out for marijuana legalization and against DAPL.
55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump-pac launching 7 figure ad buy against Heller tying him to Pelosi/Schumer ! on: June 30, 2017, 01:06:24 pm
How ironic considering Trump was Schumer's biggest and most consistent donor before he ran for president

Trump is a con-man with no consistent ideology. I thought we all knew that.
56  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Does Ossoff have a future in politics? on: June 30, 2017, 12:45:32 pm
Yes, of course. He's only 31, and Georgia is trending Democratic long-term. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win a house or senate seat at some point.
57  General Discussion / History / Re: Rank the Post WWII Democratic Presidents from Best to Worst: on: June 30, 2017, 11:39:51 am
1. Truman
2. JFK
3. Obama
4. LBJ
5. Clinton
6. Carter
58  General Discussion / History / Re: Rank the Post WWII Republican Presidents from Best to Worst: on: June 30, 2017, 11:38:23 am
1. Eisenhower
2. Ford
3. H.W. Bush


4. Reagan





5. Dubya














6. Nixon






















































7. Trump
59  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bidenís dust up with hedge fund manager Bill Ackman on: June 26, 2017, 08:41:56 pm
Joe would have beaten Trump and it wouldn't have been close.
60  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump-pac launching 7 figure ad buy against Heller tying him to Pelosi/Schumer ! on: June 26, 2017, 03:36:40 pm
Considering that he opposes TrumpRyanCare for non-horrible reasons is there any chance he might try to switch parties? Especially if he has a primary challenge and is likely to lose in the general?
61  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Why Georgia went R on: June 23, 2017, 12:39:32 pm
The Star Wars thing was stupid and probably backfired. What did damage Ossoff was that the GOP was successfully able to tie him to Nancy Pelosi, San Francisco, and Hollywood.

Now, this wouldn't have worked in a less fundamentally conservative district, but folks in Suburban Atlanta still eat this sh[inks] up. They did not suddenly become liberal just because they're anti-Trump. Trump creates an opening to reach them, but he doesn't guarantee it unless we stand for something.
62  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will the democrats get back working class voters in the 2020 elections? on: June 22, 2017, 01:18:36 pm
The Midwest and Florida would've held fine if minority turnout had remained on level with Obama's. Arizona would've flipped too.

IF minority turnout had held up
IF the suburbs had swung hard enough against Trump
IF Hillary hadn't gotten blown out in rural areas

IF any of those things had happened, Clinton would have won WI, MI, PA, FL, and therefore the election. None of them did, which was the problem.
63  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Guess Trump's voting record 1992-2008 on: June 22, 2017, 10:21:10 am
1992: Perot
1996: Clinton
2000: Gore
2004: didn't vote
2008: probably didn't vote, but if he did he voted for Obama
2012: Romney
64  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rep. Clay Higgins of LA to appear at Richard Spencer and Baked Alaska rally. on: June 19, 2017, 10:52:24 am
But remember, Democrats are the real racists because a bunch of long-dead segregationists were Democrats and never switched parties!!!
65  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6 Special election discussion thread on: June 19, 2017, 10:10:36 am
Serious question: are negative ads, or ones that make baseless claims, likely to be less effective on a more educated electorate?  This is one of the most educated districts in the U.S.

I watched the debate, and Handel's constant referencing of SAN FRANCSICO struck me as tone-deaf and outdated. I wonder if voters know that the San Francisco of right-wing imagination no longer exists, since everyone making less than 500k has basically been expelled from the city and it's now all tech bros and rich foreigners.

A Republican party chair thinks that Scalise's shooting will give Handel the edge in the race.

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Some Republicans see political upside in the tragedy. Brad Carver is chairman of the Republican Party in the neighboring 11th Congressional District, which is represented by Barry Loudermilk, a member of the GOP baseball squad who was on the scene during last Wednesday’s shooting.

“I’ll tell you what: I think the shooting is going to win this election for us,” Carver said Saturday after a get-out-the-vote rally for Handel in Chamblee. “Because moderates and independents in this district are tired of left-wing extremism. I get that there’s extremists on both sides, but we are not seeing them. We’re seeing absolute resistance to everything this president does. Moderates and independents out there want to give him a chance. Democrats have never given this president a chance.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/06/19/daily-202-congressional-shooting-clouds-final-days-of-georgia-special-election/5946e314e9b69b2fb981dd76/
This may end up being true, but it's important to note that especially in a district like this one, the shooting won't make voters want to give Trump a blank check, and many of those who did vote for him were voting against Hillary Clinton rather than for Donald Trump. Also, looking at acts of political violence over the last few years (the Giffords Shooting, the Charleston Church Massacre, the various attacks on Muslims by right-wing extremists or Trump supporters) none seems to have had a permanent effect on political discourse: it might be that because violence and mass shootings happen so often now that they've been normalized. The Alexandria shooting wasn't particularly notable because it happened: it was notable because of who the victims were.
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Does David Duke run for LA-01 in 2018? on: June 19, 2017, 09:06:07 am
It's important to note that Duke only got 3% of the jungle primary vote despite d[inks]-riding Trump as hard as he could and despite his ideology being ascendant.
67  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will republicans try to appeal to black voters in the future? on: June 16, 2017, 09:02:04 am
Condescension in the form of "what have you got to lose" type appeals and trotting out has-been entertainers.
68  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe this voter on: June 15, 2017, 02:40:28 pm
Ben Shapiro
69  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TX-SEN: O'Rourke running on: June 14, 2017, 11:39:15 am
If I were running O'Rourke's campaign, I'd hit Cruz hard about being so slavishly loyal to Trump after Trump humiliated him and insulted his wife during the campaign. That's not Family Values and it's not Texas Values.
70  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Hajj on: June 13, 2017, 12:50:09 pm
Now this actually sounds pretty cool and exciting. I wish there was a Christian equivalent that I could go on, although preferably one that would be allowed any time of year.
Ah yes. Religion should revolve around my vacation calendar!

There are huge issues with crowd crushes and stampedes (typically resulting in at least hundreds of deaths each year) as a result of everyone having to come for Hajj at the same time.
71  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6 Special election discussion thread on: June 13, 2017, 08:32:41 am
If Ossoff somehow manages to win, do you think that the chances are good that he will join the Blue Dog Coalition? I think he would at least consider it. Based on his platform and personality, he would fit in very well.
There's a decent chance he would but why would it matter? Blue Dogs are pretty much irrelevant these days. There are only 18 of them now, and most of them are pretty different from traditional Blue Dogs.
72  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which would be more surprising? on: June 11, 2017, 10:06:33 pm
Since O'Malley did so poorly in 2016 and doesn't seem to have a chance in 2020, it would not be that surprising to see him not run.
Or he might just run for the same reasons long shot candidates always run: they have nothing better to do and campaigning is actually fun.
73  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Pence approval ratings on: June 09, 2017, 10:30:15 am
I don't get why people think Pence would come into office with high approvals or get a free pass from the media for more than a few weeks:

1) Even if Pence isn't involved in the Russia scandal or obstruction of justice, he'll still be tainted by association
2) Pence being president won't make the Freedom Caucus get along with the Tuesday Group or make Paul Ryan an effective leader, so good luck getting anything substantial through congress
3) The left will be emboldened, as will the anti-Trump elements of the right
4) a large portion of the base will be angry about Trump getting kicked out and see it as a stab in the back
5) Pence isn't a particularly good fit for Trump's coalition and his ideology is basically a caricature of a Bush-era Religious Right Republican. He's a man of the past and wouldn't easily be able to get things done or lead the party forward in the current environment
6) Nothing indicates that Pence is a particularly good politician: he only won election in 2012 by three points IN INIDIANA and might well have lost in 2016 due to the anti-gay law fiasco (see my point above about him being a man of the past)
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: which is more likely to flip TO D? on: June 08, 2017, 05:58:43 pm
Utah: the GOP is way more likely to lose Mormons than resource extractors.
75  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you think any significant anti-Bill Clinton played a role in the results? on: June 08, 2017, 05:54:19 pm
Like it or not, Bill's sexual history was a major problem lurking in the background thought the campaign. It came to a head when she wasn't able to go after Trump effectively after he was caught red-handed bragging about sexual assault. Biden or Sanders wouldnt have had this problem.
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