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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Predict When/If The Following GOP Candidates Will Come Out In Favour of SSM on: March 29, 2013, 03:04:16 pm


Jeb Bush: sometime in the late 2020s
Chris Christie: around 2020 or 2024
Kelly Ayotte: never
Mitch Daniels: never, though he'll probably support the federalist position at some point.
Jim DeMint: never
Susana Martinez: probably never, though possibly sometime in the 2020s or 2030s
Bob McDonnell: never
Paul Ryan: never
Brian Sandoval: around 2020
John Thune: never
52  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: POLITICO: No Judd on: March 27, 2013, 10:23:32 pm
Why are Democrats relieved by this announcement?


Because she was a terrible candidate.

It would have allowed McConnell to run against celebrity culture and "Hollyweird". McConnell has never been particularly popular, and could lose to the right candidate, even in a neutral year. He had a close call in 2008.
53  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which Republicans would make Gay Marriage OPPOSITION a big deal? on: March 26, 2013, 07:29:14 pm
Would make a big deal of their opposition:
- Santorum
- Perry
- Jindal
- McDonnell
- Pence

Would try to ignore it:
- Rubio
- Ryan
- Paul
- Jeb Bush
- Thune (though we really know nothing about him, so we can't say for sure)

Might try to flip-flop:
- Christie
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Gay NFL Player 'Strongly Considers' Coming Out on: March 26, 2013, 06:40:06 pm
Tim Tebow is not gay... why would any one say so?

In all the years he was at Florida, he never had a girlfriend, was never romantically associated with anyone, never was seen on a date with anyone (pictures would have been taken).  There were 10,000 girls at least on UF's campus who would have gone one with him, and he apparently never even tried.  Then, same thing at Denver, and the same thing in New York**.
It's like the Fermi Paradox.  If he's straight, why isn't there a shred of evidence?  He may be asexual, but he's probably gay.

Tebow is the only NFL player prominent enough to make a huge splash if he came out, but also with a homophobic enough fanbase to actually upset most of his fans.


** - OK, se was briefly romantically associated with some rich Catholic hieress last fall, but that was "over' in less than a week and they never were seen together in public, so it all appears to just have been a Huffington Post rumor.
Yes but I think part of the reason of that is because he is probably trying to save himself for marriage. He probably doesn't want to risk having sex before he is married or something like that, but to be fair to him as I am a fan, I could imagine the field day the atheists would have with him if they found out about some affair he was having.

People who are really saving themselves for marriage are normally actively looking for someone to marry, and for this reason they usually marry young, often right after high school or college. Otherwise, they're usually using it to rationalize something else...
55  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary Clinton... on: March 26, 2013, 06:36:35 pm
The party will NEVER forgive her if she doesn't run. The poll numbers she's getting in red states don't come around very often.
And I'm sure she hasn't forgiven the party for how terribly they treated her in 2008. She owes NOTHING to the party; the party owes everything to her.

Despite dragging out the bitter primary long after it became clear she couldn't win, Obama was still magnanimous enough to name her Secretary of State, and she was the best Secretary of State in decades.
56  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Schweitzer/Booker vs Bush/Huntsman on: March 26, 2013, 06:27:53 pm
Bush is a Bush. That right there is his biggest liability. How are they going to continue to keep Dubya in seclusion if his brother is running for president?
57  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Indiana, Georgia, and Kansas Work To Make Atlas Wet Dream Possible on: March 26, 2013, 06:18:40 pm
Having read the article, this sounds like a pretty blatant attempt at a power-grab by the Far Right before they get overwhelmed by demographics, and while it isn't going to happen, it's still cause for concern.
58  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ...and now Tester. on: March 26, 2013, 06:16:17 pm
Hmmm.  McCaskill just announced her support, and now Tester does.  Both were just reelected to the Senate from mostly conservative states.  Now they both come out when they're safe in the Senate for 6 years.  What a coincidence!

Actually, I don't begrudge them too much for not coming out in their reelection bids.  I'm glad they won, and that they are still in the Senate.

Montana and Missouri will both have majorities in support of gay marriage by 2018.
59  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ...and now Rocky. on: March 26, 2013, 06:14:54 pm
I predict Manchin will be the last major Democratic politician to oppose gay marriage, changing his position sometime in the 2030s.
60  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should the Republican nominee support SSM? on: March 26, 2013, 11:19:35 am
Not in 2016. Maybe in 2024, but not before that.
61  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Gay NFL Player 'Strongly Considers' Coming Out on: March 25, 2013, 09:56:01 pm
If this does happen it'll put the NFL ahead of the Premier League. Which, given everything, is pretty f[inks]ing embarrassing.

Yeah, I was pretty surprised to learn that the Premier League still hasn't had an openly gay player on the field. To me at least, that's a much more jarring cultural contrast than the NFL never having had one.
62  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Which disgraced politicians could make a succesful comeback? on: March 24, 2013, 09:26:55 pm

Weiner might be able to come back in 5-10 years.
DeLay might be appointed to something by a future Republican president, but I doubt it.

The rest have no future in politics.
63  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: John Barrow probably in (senate) on: March 24, 2013, 12:09:13 pm
Impossible for him to become a republican. He would be primaried easily! I agree with Miles, it should be easier for him in 2020. Except if he got a primary challenge. But I suppose he's not stupid, he will become less conservative in the future if elected

What happened to Parker Griffith sends a stern warning to Southern Democrats that it's basically impossible for a federal officeholder to switch parties and be accepted by the Republican primary electorate in this day and age, unlike how it was in the 80s and 90s.
64  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Why do experienced Senators lose presidential elections? on: March 24, 2013, 11:47:00 am
A long career in the Senate also leads to certain bad habits such as droning oratory and obsolete rhetorical styles. This might be fine in the Senate, where most work is done behind the scenes, but it just looks bad on the campaign trail.
65  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: "Who would fictional characters vote for?" omnibus thread on: March 22, 2013, 08:34:57 am
The Big Bang Theory

Sheldon: Romney or Johnson
Leonard: Obama
Koothrappali: Obama
Howard: swing (oh yeah!) voter
Penny: Obama

Howard would vote Obama, and Sheldon would be a Paulite. That is if he believes in doing silly things like voting.
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: TX: George P. Bush running for Land Commish on: March 14, 2013, 08:24:53 am
The title should be: George P. Bush announces he is running for Governor of Texas, 2018!

If Bush can get nominated and an unpopular Republican president is in office, this just might end up being Julian Castro's ticket to the big time.
67  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ahmadinejad Predicts Chavez Will Return Alongside Jesus, Hidden Imam on: March 12, 2013, 09:46:56 pm
Ahmadinejad is being criticized for touching a woman - Hugo Chavez's mother - too endearingly


in response, his administration made a photoshopped pic and claimed it was the unphotoshopped version:

Er... are religious Muslims not allowed to hug grieving women? What the hell.

No, they're not. The prevailing opinion of conservative Islamic clergy is that a man is only allowed to touch a woman to whom he is not related by blood or marriage if he is giving her medical treatment or saving her from drowning.
68  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: NM Hispanics: Pre-New Deal. on: March 11, 2013, 09:11:11 pm
Were the NM Hispanics Unionists during the Civil War? If so, that would explain a lot. For decades virtually the only Republican areas in Texas were the German-settled Hill Country Counties, which had been Unionist strongholds during the Civil War.
69  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: MN-PPP: Minnesota could be a swing state with Christie on: March 09, 2013, 07:22:19 pm
Minnesota is artificially close thanks to high floors for both parties, but outside of a landslide GOP win (or a left-wing third party that gets more than 1% or so nationally), it should go Democratic.

^THIS.
70  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: GOP legislators in MI, PA, & WI are pushing for proportional EC allocation on: March 09, 2013, 06:56:21 pm
I think these bills should go through. Honestly.....the real Pennsylvania should have a say in choosing the President, and not just Philadelphia which basically dictates the whole state.  Same with Detroit/MI etc. I think it would be very fair.

Republicans typically do not ever like "rocking the boat," though -- and most likely won't follow through on the bills

Does "the real America" mean White America? Does "the real Pennsylvania" mean the white population of Pennsylvania?

Bullhist on urban America being less "American". People are where the concrete is  -- not where the cow pastures and cotton fields are. Sarah Palin made her infamous 'Real America' speech 50 miles from Columbus, Ohio in which she castigated urban America as modern equivalents of Sodom and Gomorrah in contrast to 'innocent, virtuous, rural' America.


Incorrect. She actually made the "Real America" speech in Guilford County, NC, which in turn voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012.
71  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jon Tester and Gay Marriage on: March 09, 2013, 10:47:17 am
1. The Democratic Party supports gay marriage.
2. Jon Tester is against gay marriage.
3. Jon Tester has a gay son.

The fact that I had no idea this was the case and it got zero media coverage during the election is the reason conservatives won't watch anything but Fox News.

If this were a Republican, every time I opened Gawker I'd be getting headlines like "Jon Tester Won't Let His Gay Son Get Married."

To be fair, while many Democrats have been wrong on this issue or taken cowardly/moderate hero positions on it, you guys really did it to yourselves by making opposition to gay marriage the centerpiece of your 2004 campaign. People still haven't forgotten about that, especially people with lots of gay friends, like the people who write Gawker.

In any event, the writing is clearly on the wall, notwithstanding the position of one Democratic politician in one conservative state. In 10 years, no Democratic politician of note will oppose gay marriage. In 20 years, no Republican politician of note outside the South will oppose gay marriage. I wouldn't even rule out Tester having a conversion on this issue.
72  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does Jeb regret stealing Florida in 2000 for Shrub? on: March 09, 2013, 10:37:42 am
On some level, he must. Even if he couldn't have run for president himself, Dubya has tainted the Bush name so badly that even Jeb's son, George P, will have a hard enough time getting into politics, let alone running for president.
73  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: First "Trillionaire" by 2040 likely on: March 07, 2013, 08:17:17 pm
Disgusting.
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton versus Sarah Palin 2016 on: March 06, 2013, 10:32:29 pm
This is being fairly generous to Palin:



Clinton wins a bunch of states with pluralities due to 3rd parties and low Republican turnout. Hilariously, Palin still wins every county in Oklahoma.
75  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senator Rand Paul is currently filibustering Brennan nomination on: March 06, 2013, 07:32:51 pm
I'm not opposed to getting rid of the filibuster, but they should actually force them to read the phone book (or nowadays Twitter) at 4 AM.
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