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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: November 01, 2014, 05:39:14 pm
What is a real change?

The real change would be changing the entire face of the game by actually having to react to simulated external events. However, I've accepted that isn't going to happen. Another change I've proposed is changing to a parliamentary simulation, which would change how elections are conducted, but I don't think that's going to happen either.

I suppose this is a change that can be made, but I don't think it'll really make any difference one way or another. We're just abolishing an office. What actually is going to change about this game? Nothing, really. Again, this has nothing to do with you or anything. I'm personally frustrated by the lack of changes that we can accomplish simply because of habit and apathy. Just getting rid of the GM is yet another thing that basically changes this game in a direction that is completely opposite of the one I'd like to go in.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: November 01, 2014, 05:29:36 pm
I am proposing a "real change." Why you would threaten to quit Atlasia in response is beyond my comprehension.

It's not a real change though. And I've been set to quit for some time anyway. I'm leaving after my term ends for outside reasons, but also the fact that painful little is going to really change. It has nothing to do with you.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1952 Presidential Conventions on: November 01, 2014, 05:16:48 pm
HHH forever.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: November 01, 2014, 05:10:32 pm
Get back to me when you find someone with the right combination of expertise in programming, system dynamics, and public policy who's willing to volunteer a few hundred hours of his or her free time.

There's no point in fantasizing about what we could do if we had unlimited resources.

It's things like this that have pushed me closer to just quitting this game altogether. It is part of the reason why I'm leaving in December. It's clear that there is no desire for real change in this game and I'm just tired of going through the same motions we always do.

I'm still going to vote nay because to me, external factors should be an important part of the game.
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: October 31, 2014, 02:59:04 pm
We could realistically just do whatever we wanted if there were no consequences as long as we were all personally popular.

As far as I can tell, this has been true of Atlasia throughout its entire history even with a Game Moderator.

Then the question becomes why do we bother worrying about what a bill costs or where you get money from or any of that stuff? Why do we bother being concerned about what the economy is doing or really doing anything different at all since all we seem to do is react to events that happen in real life. So if what we do changes nothing, why do we simulate anything past the elections themselves?
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Election Night - Drink of Choice? on: October 31, 2014, 02:53:22 pm
Probably Pepsi.

I stopped drinking alcohol a few years ago. I've no intention to do so again.
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: October 31, 2014, 02:34:21 pm
No, not really.

Here's an offer for you, Windjammer: Volunteer to serve as GM and I will withdraw this bill immediately.

Hell, I'd willingly do the job, I just am horrible at math. That's what's always kept me from trying to get the job before. I would take advantage to appoint a Deputy who would be willing to do all the things that I know I couldn't do, such as cost analysis.

The more important aspect to me has always been the news cycle, though. Few GMs have taken that part of the job seriously... I would at least like to hear from someone what their ideas are as far as the future of news in the game, which I feel is necessary for it to function. Otherwise, what more is the game really than us simulating elections? We could realistically just do whatever we wanted if there were no consequences as long as we were all personally popular. That thought really just divorces me from voting to get rid of the GM position.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Senate Fair Participation Act (Debating) on: October 31, 2014, 02:27:04 pm
It's worth noting that in the entire history of the senate only yankee (obviously), tnf, me, gabu, duke and bgwah have served more than 4 terms, so I don't think this is that big a problem, though I can see the case for it.

And I'm not saying this from self interest either, as I can't see myself staying in the senate much longer, even if the people of the northeast wanted me to.

There's a grandfather clause in there for you, Yankee and TNF, I believe. The four term limit only applies after the next election, so you'd each have four extra terms if you could get them. As well, like you say, most Senators don't serve this long, so I don't foresee the kind of issues that many of you raise. I would see them if say, it was a two term limit. So few Senators serve four consecutive terms that I feel as though the problem of harming the quality of debate would not happen. That's why I chose four because so few people serve so long. If you have a different number of terms in mind (say five or six), I'd be open to hearing that.

Senator TNF's amendment is friendly. If it needs to be an amendment rather than an act to be enforceable that's no issue with me.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: October 31, 2014, 02:20:58 pm
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Solving Long Term Unemployment Act

1. In order to help the problem of unemployment by presenting a cheaper alternative, all long term unemployed workers may have the option to take on a no-interest loan in order to gain new career training.
1a. For those that wish to attend or re-enroll in tertiary-level courses, up to and including completing a degree, will be eligible to apply for a loan of up to $5,000 per year, over three years.
1b. Those who require re-certification in their trade will be eligible to apply for a loan of up to $3,000 to re-train and re-certify.
2. Those long term unemployed who do not wish to enroll or cannot enroll in tertiary education or do not require re-certification will be eligible for a loan of up to $5,000 to undertake training for their existing field or re-train for another.
2a. Those businesses who wish to participate in training programs and subsequent work-placements will be eligible for a tax-credit of $2,500 per employee, per calendar year, once the employee has been employed for 18-months.
3. Long term unemployed shall be defined as anyone unemployed continuously for a period of longer than 6 months.
4. Those aged over 50 and/or have been unemployed for longer than 18-months, will be eligible for an additional 20% over and above measures listed above, except 1a.

85  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1952 Primaries on: October 30, 2014, 10:27:42 pm
HHH/FDR, Jr.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Senate Fair Participation Act (Debating) on: October 30, 2014, 09:13:14 pm
Generally turnover is high, with the occassional bore/TNF/bgwah/Duke that can stretch it out to two years continuously.

No one has been able to stomach it longer.

No one except me.


The problem with this is that it could cause seat filling problems. Even when it looked like I was doomed with no internet late last month, there was little interest in taking the seat and Maxwell can correct me if I am wrong, but basically if I had failed in such there would have been something of a scramble to find someone. 

Regions go through ruts and shrinking the potential poll candidates, particularly when aside from myself, there has not been a problem with people long remaining in this chamber doesn't seem like a good move.

Plus I have full faith in the people of the IDS to elect their Representatives.

Well, as you say, the turnover can be high, so there's not always a need for it. I think though as well to Senator Polnut's point, that interest can be kept up with frequent competitive races. There are plenty of races I've seen here where people simply don't want to run a campaign they feel like they'll lose from the start. With term limits, those individuals might be more easily persuaded to run for an office they might want. I think on the whole this should be a positive and only rarely do Senators serve more than 4 terms anyway, so this might be an extra kick in the pants.

Besides, even if you get a bad Senator for one term, the original Senator could run again in the next election if it was really that much of an issue.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderation Abolition Amendment (Debating) on: October 30, 2014, 09:08:28 pm
I have desperately wanted the position to succeed since I've been involved in Atlasia... But I suppose if this is a job that no one wants or can do... I dunno... I really want to see the job work and I've tried my best to figure out a way. It's not even a job I've ever even held. But I've worked on several pieces of legislation to try and make the job work... But if it's not going to work, then I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

But I still have to wonder how we are supposed to do things like budgeting and foreign and domestic news?
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Senate Fair Participation Act (Debating) on: October 30, 2014, 08:57:12 pm
To put it simply, this is designed to begin the process of term limits for the Senate. I figured that 4 consecutive terms for a Senator (elected after the act passes) would be enough to start with before some fresh blood would be allowed to have a go.

As we've seen, lots of people have wanted to run for the Senate in the past few elections. This bill is designed to open up the opportunity for them to serve and prevent incumbents, no matter how good, from holding on indefinitely. Not many Senators also reach 4 terms, make no mistake, some do, and we're serving with a few who have. They are tremendously talented at their jobs. However, every so often, we need fresh blood and fresh ideas.

This bill also doesn't prevent a Senator from returning to office again, so it's not designed to exclude great Atlasians. A four consecutive term limit I think is a fair thing that we can agree to in order to help prevent stagnation of fresh ideas.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Protecting Biodiversity for the Future Bill 2014 (Debating) on: October 29, 2014, 04:23:25 pm
I don't consider myself an expert on this issue, so I'll lean on the familiarity of people like Senator Polnut. Senator bore's amendment is, I think a positive and I would hope that it's friendly. I will support this bill.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mideast Telegraph Poll: Special at-large Senate election on: October 29, 2014, 01:50:06 pm
BK or SWE.
91  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Is the previous poster more or less Progressive than you? on: October 28, 2014, 09:56:54 pm
Less
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Regulatory Review Thread (Voting) on: October 28, 2014, 09:54:51 pm
Nay again.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Repeal of the Regulatory Overhaul and Review Act (Debating) on: October 28, 2014, 09:51:42 pm
Aye
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Solving Long Term Unemployment Act (Debating) on: October 28, 2014, 09:50:30 pm
I will be reintroducing this legislation if it's defeated, just so you guys know.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Atlasian Universal Education Bill (Debating) on: October 28, 2014, 09:40:35 pm
Second.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai/Antonio V: Let Us Cling Together. on: October 27, 2014, 04:02:54 pm
I'm still proud to have supported you. I genuinely hoped you guys would win and I hope you both stick around and continue fighting the good fight.
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Hypothetical 2016 US Presidential Election: Hillary vs. Huckabee vs. Sanders on: October 27, 2014, 03:38:21 pm
Clinton is everything wrong with the Democratic Party since they stopped nominating people like Carter or Dukakis or Humphrey.

Yeah, the Democrats were so much better when they consistently lost by huge landslides.

Hillary, of course.

Humphrey didn't lose in a landslide.

But Sanders.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Legislation Introduction Thread on: October 27, 2014, 03:32:36 pm
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The Senate Fair Participation Act
In order to provide ample opportunity for other players as well as prevent incumbents from dominating a secure Senate seat, we resolve the following:

1. All elected members of the Senate will now be limited to 4 consecutive terms of service.
2. This bill will apply to all At-Large Senators elected at the December 2014 Senate Election.
3. This bill will also apply to all Regional Senators elected at the February 2015 Senate Election.
4. The said term limits will only be enforced from said election dates. A Senator's previous service will not be counted toward the term limits.
5. A Senator, having served 4 consecutive terms, will not be prevented from running again after sitting out at least 1 election cycle.

99  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: WI: President Theodore Roosevelt Runs for Re-Election in 1908 on: October 27, 2014, 02:15:10 pm
First off, if TR runs again in 1908, it's fairly certain he would have won. Like, I'm 99.9% sure of that.

The second is, I get the feeling that he would've gone further to the left as he did IRL. The Progressive Movement would've been championed and you'd probably see a more genuine social democratic tinge to future American politics. Women probably would've got the vote during this term as well.

I also think that TR probably would've led the country into a war on one pretext or another. However, I honestly think the biggest thing that kept him from actually going to war as President was the fact that him being in the White House would mean he couldn't go off and fight himself and that's something I think he'd find almost unbearable.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine & SJoyce - A New Course for Atlasia (Victory!) on: October 27, 2014, 02:03:29 pm
Congrats Lumine. I'm hopeful that you'll do the job well.
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