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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Bacon King for Attorney General (Questioning) on: October 06, 2014, 04:51:59 pm
I've known the nominee a long time. I'm confidant he'll do the job well and he has my support.
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 06, 2014, 04:50:48 pm
2 points:

Does removal due to attacking an atlasian citizen entail a different process to removal by the senate? If not, I'm not sure why that needs to be in the constitution. And if so, who defines an attack on an Atlasian?

I too want to give the GM more bite, but who determines what counts as ignoring the GM, and who decides the punishment?

I'm not sure, again if there should be a removal process any different than what I laid down. It was merely to address Griffin's concerns. Perhaps citizen recall if it came down to it?

That's tricky, I think. But, if it is in regards to a major story that impacts every officeholder, there should be a set time limit on how long they respond to such a crisis, like say seven days, or whatever as long as they're not on a LOA.
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 06, 2014, 03:10:26 pm
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The GM independence Amendment
Article VIII, Sec. 2, Clause 5 shall be amended as follows:
The President shall appoint a Game Moderator with the advice and consent of the Senate.
    The Game Moderator may at any time be dismissed by the President.
    The Game Moderator may at any time be removed by the Senate by a two thirds vote, without presidential approval.
    The President has the right to petition the Senate for GM removal at any time.
    The GM may be removed if their behavior is characterized to be attacking a particular Atlasian, be they officeholder or not.
        Any Atlasian officeholder who chooses to disregard a GM storyline or decision may be subject to negative consequences or penalties deemed appropriate, including but not limited to recall or other punishments.

I'm sorry this took a little longer to get in there than expected, but here's the new amendments I promised. I added recall from office as a potential punishment for ignoring a GM storyline for an office holder, but I don't know if you guys feel that punishment to be particularly appropriate. I'll be satisfied with whatever you guys deem appropriate in that regard, myself.
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Hypothetical 1956 US Presidential Election: Ike vs. HHH on: October 05, 2014, 02:15:36 pm
Humphrey x10000
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: COUPDATE LIVE FEED: your one-stop source for "WTF IS HAPPENING" (UPDATED) on: October 05, 2014, 02:07:26 pm

Hm. Has his movement taken over New York City independently, then?
To my understanding, his movement is fighting with Deus's for control of NYC
This is correct. My NYC forces are currently headquartered at the New York Federal Reserve building, which has been occupied and will soon be used to issue real Northeastern currency backed by hard commodities.

Huh. My Pittsburgh forces are currently headquartered at the Westin Convention Center, into which they have dragged a printer to print out equally real Northeastern currency backed by nothing at all. We may have some differences to work out here.

You have no Pittsburgh forces. It's my city, we remain loyal. I'll just have to have the city closed down to you. I'm it's most prominent Atlasian, I can do that Tongue
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Magnolia Tree Polling - Secession on: October 05, 2014, 12:13:56 am
The Northeast will never go as long as I'm around, jack!
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Bore for Northeast (Statement on whatever the hell has happened) on: October 04, 2014, 03:38:48 pm
Emperor Bore?

We could do a lot worse... A whole lot worse.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: NC Senate 1984 on: October 04, 2014, 03:20:39 pm
The one who isn't Helms.

In any election, that'd be the best way to go.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: October 04, 2014, 03:15:27 pm
Dr. Cynic
The People's Party
Pennsylvania
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Departement of Internal Affairs - Secretary-appoint Cranberry on: October 04, 2014, 12:31:45 pm
Deus will never have Pennsylvania as long as I'm breathing, nor will he expand any further into the NE. I will continue to call for Deus and others who have denied and attempted to subvert Tyrion's constitutional authority to be President, to be brought to justice.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Freedom Act (Debating) on: October 04, 2014, 12:25:44 pm
Thank f#ck.

You are aware this was me being civil and tame.  The Detroit Plan is coming and just dread the gems in it.

If your civil and tame plan can't pass why do you think an even more radical one would?

It wouldn't. It would probably be tabled again.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Cynic: Chaos and Sh*t on: October 04, 2014, 02:45:40 am
What a day this has been.

Indeed Marokai, indeed.

I swear I left to cook dinner, and the country had basically broken out in civil war.

That was my basic response when I came back and saw, but I've been through this rodeo a couple of times before. No use in not riding it out.

Hell, it gives people something to do.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: President (?!) Tyrion - Ask away! on: October 03, 2014, 11:28:08 pm
You'll have my support however you need it.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Office of Provisional Chairman of the RJPRA Snowstalker on: October 03, 2014, 11:24:13 pm
I have to take a massive dump... I think I'll use this statement as toilet paper.
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Cynic: GM Situation... More Important Than Electoral Concerns on: October 03, 2014, 11:22:32 pm
Chaos and Sh**t:

Let me make a very concise statement here in my office so you can all get a good look at it. TYRION is President! He is so legally. ANY other paramilitary or secessionist group attempting to subvert that are engaged in active treason against the Republic of Atlasia.

Those engaging in treason and holding office should rightly be removed and punished appropriately. I stand with the President and I will fight any attempt to undermine the rightful President's authority. Treason shall be crushed. Long Live our Republic!
91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Deus (Crisis and secession) on: October 03, 2014, 11:18:02 pm
This is a treasonous move, Senator. Such a thing should force your expulsion from the Senate and from ever holding office again, along with the other silly sods going through with this. Tyrion is President and anyone attempting to subvert that is clearly a traitor to our Republic.
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: COUPDATE LIVE FEED: your one-stop source for "WTF IS HAPPENING" on: October 03, 2014, 11:14:36 pm
Jesus, I step out for a bit and this is the first thing I see when I get back. I hate missing all the fun.

I support President Tyrion to the fullest extent that I am able.
93  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 03, 2014, 07:13:02 pm
In my opinion (and people aren't going to like this), such a bill needs to be carefully thought out and expanded upon, lest we turn the position into something like the Supreme Court, where officeholders are under no obligation to be active or engage, and with no real recourse for removal in such situations. Even if the office is isolated from political events, the climate of the Senate is not, and getting 7 votes may prove to be harder at times than anyone might be considering.

Such a bill needs to address three components, in my opinion:

1) What this proposed bill already is attempting to do
2) Mechanisms for dealing with absurd behavior on the part of the GM
3) Mechanisms that penalize those who disregard what the GM says

Yankee and I briefly threw some ideas back and forth on the third matter, because I (maybe he, too) believe that the only way you're going to restore any sense of legitimacy to this role is if you strike the fear of God into people who would blatantly disregard the circumstances. Of course, this creates a conundrum between numbers 2 and 3 in how to ensure that "absurd behavior" can be dealt with without being considered blatant disregard of the GM's mandate.

You do make good points, Adam... Give me a day so I can address this in the bill, because I do agree with what you're saying. The GM has to be protected and in turn we have to be protected from  poor behavior. If this game is to actually be something more than "Let's get together and have elections every couple of months and write bills", then we have to have an active GM, one who can't be pressured politically, but we also have to, as you said, protect the office holders from a GM that has a political agenda. The job really needs to be de-politicized as much as possible.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Hifly15 for SoEA (Voting) on: October 03, 2014, 07:06:48 pm
Nay
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Former President and Gov. DemPGH on: October 03, 2014, 03:25:27 pm
I still believe you tried your hardest to be a good President. We disagreed on the last issue, but you're still a friend and I still believe you did a good job in a difficult position. Enjoy retirement and I hope you do come back someday.
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 03, 2014, 03:16:34 pm
The reason the Game Moderator position rose back into any sort of prominence whatsoever is when Purple State rallied the Senate against President Bgwah's complacency and refusal to fire GM Ebowed. There was no way to have any outside oversight of the position and it allowed the position to waste away.

I realize this is an unsatisfying answer for those who want to "reform" the GM position somehow, but there is no way to "reform" this position without creating a dozen more potential hazards. The risk of what happened last night is a risk you have in a game like this and you just have to elect the right people and exercise the right amount of oversight to ensure that it never happens. Virtually everyone agreed what DemPGH did was outrageous and it led to his resignation. No other President in their right mind would step over that line again.

Maybe there is a case for reforming this position, but I have yet to see how anything like this helps the GM position in any way. People disrespect the authority of the position because some people are just going to be that way. The problems with the GM position (the obscene workload, the lack of real consequence to legislation we pass) aren't solved by these proposals.

The decision, in my view, shouldn't be left to a single person. If the President wishes to remove the GM, I don't see why it's unreasonable to ask the Senate to do so. When a President makes an appointment, it has to go through the consent of the Senate. The Senate confirms or rejects the GM, so I think for this particular position, that affects everyone in game, it can't just be left to one person to do this. I've believed that for years, going back to the Porce/ANN debacle. I think the amendment I proposed is reasonable and applies a check and balance on such an important decision.

I know we may disagree on this, but I still feel it's vitally important to protect the authority of the GM job.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 03, 2014, 01:27:36 pm
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The GM independence Amendment
Article VIII, Sec. 2, Clause 5 shall be amended as follows:
The President shall appoint a Game Moderator with the advice and consent of the Senate.
    The Game Moderator may at any time be dismissed by the President.
    The Game Moderator may at any time be removed by the Senate by a two thirds vote, without presidential approval.
    The President has the right to petition the Senate for GM removal at any time.


I'm proposing a minor amendment which doesn't completely strip the President of a say in the matter. I think it's fair to give future Presidents the right to have a say in case there is a serious disagreement on the matter. I simply don't believe one single person should have the authority to dismiss the game god at any time. If I'd been in the Senate before, I would have voted in favor of this when it was intro'd the first time.
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Untitled GM Amendment (Debating) on: October 03, 2014, 12:40:58 pm
I had been in contact with several Senate colleagues over this issue. Lumine, Polnut, Bore, who I should like to thank for taking the step of introduction on this.

This is a deeper issue than what is just going down now. A very similar situation happened once before. As soon as I'm off my phone, I'm going to introduce a minor amendment to the wording of the bill, which still maintains it's spirit. The GM position should be secure from the whims of a single individual, no matter who it may be. I support this as a step in the right direction.
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The American Union on: October 02, 2014, 11:32:40 pm
More, please!
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Senator Cynic: Statements on SOEA Nom/Terror Attacks on: October 02, 2014, 11:06:31 pm
The GM Situation:

The greatest portion of my Atlasian public service has been dedicated to an office I've never held. I am dedicated to the position of GM and almost every piece of legislation I've introduced or championed was designed to help the position as best I could. It's a job of great difficulty and the reason that it chews up and spits out so many people is because of that.

The President, my friend, has dismissed the GM SirNick for no reason other than he disagreed with the story. SirNick hadn't been inactive in the job. He'd only just come to the position and he was eager to do it, to boot. Was the bombing story high handed and dystopian? Yes, it was. But the game demands sometimes those things be responded to. It wasn't the aliens storyline and Nick did explain his reasoning for it, which I accepted personally as within the realm of fairness. The President had chosen to ignore the story in, what I assume was his belief that it would be similar to the aliens storyline that no one took seriously...

You guys can ask Earl about this because he was involved on a deeper level than I was, but almost ten years ago, there was a situation reminiscent of this. A power struggle between the GM (which was Earl's news network) and President Porce. It was chaotic. (Fun for a newcomer like me at the time)

I believed it then and I believe it now: The President should not have the right to dismiss the GM simply because they're doing a story they don't like. DemPGH and Sirnick, I consider both friends. I know I've pissed them both off over the last year or two on occasion, but I still consider them friends....

Getting back to the point I was making... In December, I'll be gone. I'm not up for re-election, and I know most of you wouldn't bother to vote me in again anyway because of one thing or another. But this is bigger than electoral concerns. The very integrity of the game is at stake right now just as it was 8 years ago, during that turmoil. The Senate has a responsibility here. We should all look very carefully at what is to be done here in the upcoming future.
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