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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump is the leading candidate for White Evangelicals on: August 22, 2015, 03:37:02 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-are-white-evangelicals-supporting-trump-it-127261597616.html

This article tries to explain, but still, there's some things I don't think I'll ever understand.

What's hard to understand?

Progressives spend all their time blaming white people for everything. Anti-white sentiment is very clearly the only anti [race] sentiment that is allowed under PC rules and in the media. You see BLM blaming all problems in the black community on racist whites. This is basically what is taught throughout our entire education system and propagated in the media. Evil white colonial racists are responsible for every problem, any problem in any group of people that isn't white is just because of this.

So white people don't, by and large, want to vote for that party.

Is that really surprising?
ignoring your strawman.... Why Trump, out of all GOP candidates?

Not a strawman, the anti-white animus on the left is very real and everpresent. I can't believe you've not ever heard people blaming whites for all the ills that exist in the world, among the Black and Hispanic communities here, etc.

Why Trump? He wants to build a wall, deport illegals, and revoke birthright citizenship. The people supporting him agree with this. He isn't a pussy like the other candidates, defies PC harpies who want him to apologize for everything, and doesn't apologize for his non PC beliefs.

There is no reason we should allow millions of illegals here, or allow their kids to be citizens. Trump is the one promoting that message, and telling the PC Police - who want to force people to apologize for even recognizing the problem - to  off.
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYC General Discussion - You Hear That Giant Sucking Sound? on: August 22, 2015, 03:22:16 pm
Bloomberg nostalgia level rising.  The man, for all his reputation, and not to say that he was without his faults, was genuinely more progressive and perceptive than de Blasio on the issues that really matter.

Being governed by a great businessman is better than being governed by a socialist fool.

Who would have ever imagined.
53  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Walker under fire for suggesting only “handful” of Muslims are moderate on: August 22, 2015, 03:13:56 pm
If Trump teaches you anything:

Never apologize.
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Sanders Completely Rejects Open Borders on: August 22, 2015, 02:59:30 pm

Would you mind changing your name here to something other than Seinfeld?

No thanks. You might watch these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP769IdU_YE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsEr6xNN8Hw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDHjwaUtPI


55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some kind of Test before Voting? on: August 22, 2015, 02:52:05 pm
Mandatory voting is a wonderful idea for leftists to secure power. Most of the people who don't vote would vote for leftists if they went to the polls. The oft-predicted Latino Voter surge is less powerful than we're constantly told just because relatively few Latino voters bother to show up.
56  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Make America White Again? on: August 22, 2015, 02:46:59 pm

Would you like to see an increase in the national minimum wage? I haven't seen Trump adress that yet. (Once again, journalists care more about glamour than substance.)

Trump has said that he wants to keep the minimum wage about where it is. This was in his interview on Meet the Press.

I am fine with states or cities doing what they like here. I understand both sides of the argument, raising it would benefit some people and be a drag for some other people. I am not particularly animated by this issue. If it were raised to $25, ok cool, great. I wouldn't be upset. If it stayed where it is, same.

However, if illegal immigrants were gone or significantly reduced in number, that would be a lot of construction, manual labor, gardening, dishwashing, etc. jobs that would suddenly need to be done and be filled by Americans making at least the minimum wage in their locality. Which would be better than these Americans having no income or living off welfare.
57  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump is the leading candidate for White Evangelicals on: August 22, 2015, 02:37:50 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-are-white-evangelicals-supporting-trump-it-127261597616.html

This article tries to explain, but still, there's some things I don't think I'll ever understand.

What's hard to understand?

Progressives spend all their time blaming white people for everything. Anti-white sentiment is very clearly the only anti [race] sentiment that is allowed under PC rules and in the media. You see BLM blaming all problems in the black community on racist whites. This is basically what is taught throughout our entire education system and propagated in the media. Evil white colonial racists are responsible for every problem, any problem in any group of people that isn't white is just because of this.

So white people don't, by and large, want to vote for that party.

Is that really surprising?
58  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Make America White Again? on: August 22, 2015, 02:33:35 pm
It's a sure sign of anti-white animus that simply a photo of white people gathered together provokes some mix of ridicule, fear, and scorn from so many.

America has a right to determine who comes here and who doesn't. Keeping out poor immigrants will benefit literally all Americans, black, white, latino, etc. Our poor especially are being undercut by illegal immigrants for different types of jobs that used to be the provenance of American poor people who actually would earn the minimum wage.
59  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the U.S. topple foreign leaders? on: August 22, 2015, 02:28:33 pm
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya were all completely different situations.

One was an instance in which the country was harboring people who attacked us, another was a war of choice, and the third was a humanitarian intervention.

They all have very little in common and should not be lumped together.

The commonality was a stable government which was toppled and led to the country falling into civil war and chaos.

How about instead of nitpicking you address the question though.
60  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: North Korea again threatens war with South on: August 22, 2015, 02:25:00 pm
I almost hope they follow through on their threats this time around, and outright invade South Korea -again.  It would give us an excuse to at long last extinguish this regime once and for all time.  

You want the U.S. to go to war with a nuclear power?

You're insane.
61  General Politics / Political Debate / Should the U.S. topple foreign leaders? on: August 22, 2015, 09:59:43 am
I would say our military should not be used as it was in Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan to topple foreign leaders we do not like.

Practically I do not think it has had good results either for us or for the countries concerned, the only people benefitting are those making money off of the war/weapons manufacture. Perhaps they serve some greater geopolitical goal, but I fail to see how creating such chaos in countries that groups like ISIS can take over helps the U.S. strategically.

Many people here have expressed the idea that Qaddafi, Assad, Saddam, or the Taliban were "bad" and thus taking them out is "good" without questioning what exactly is the situation before and after these leaders. I say it's gotten worse, in each of these four cases.

However more generally I think our military should not be used to meddle in other countries' affairs, I think it will accrue many benefits to the U.S. in terms of not destabilizing governments and giving breathing space to terrorist groups.
62  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Curfew Laws on: August 22, 2015, 09:55:35 am
Useful if security concerns are real concerns.

Hopefully you all live in peaceful enough communities where you have never experienced the need for curfews. In places that are wracked by violence and you do not feel safe at night, having a curfew is indeed an effective security mechanism.

Security is among the most basic concern of a state, so if curfews are necessary to impose that, so be it.

If you're looking at it from the perspective of a teenager in a parking lot drinking beers cause you can't get into a bar you think "FK DA POLICE", of course.
63  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you care about the form of a government, or only its results? on: August 22, 2015, 09:53:53 am
The US/NATO/rebel forces didn't just stroll up and shoot Qaddafi. There was an entire f-ing civil war to get him out. "Civil wars not starting on your watch" is the lowest possible bar for good governance...and Qaddafi (and Assad) failed, miserably.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan Civil War (2011)

As Qaddafi and Assad told us, the forces against them were terrorists. We see now they were completely right. You can't argue that the fact that organized terrorists began attacking Qaddafi and Assad means that we should take the opportunity to help oust them so that ISIS could take over.

By your logic, "if a civil war starts, you are a lousy leader," England should have assassinated Lincoln. Plenty of countries have civil wars, allow them to sort them out themselves without interjecting.

We have seen that in Syria and Libya, us helping the "rebels", who we were forewarned were terrorists, has just allowed ISIS, Al Nursa, etc. to actually begin getting solid footholds in these countries and actually begin to establish governments.

I would have just let Assad and Qaddafi fight their own wars, with no assistance to either side. They each managed to keep control for decades, I think they would have had at least a fighting chance to defeat the enemies that were within their midsts. Instead the U.S. helped destroy two more stable countries and turn them over to Terrorists.

In 2002, when Saddam, Qaddafi, and Assad were all firmly in power, their countries were without a doubt better places to live, more stable, and free of terrorism. Each of these men were able to control their countries, and after we helped get rid of them, their countries have fallen into chaos and are stomping grouns for all our enemies.

Qaddafi especially was able to halt the flow of migrants from all of Africa to Europe.

I advise you go vacation in Libya or Syria one of these days and see how good a place they are. I actually know people who did just this, when Assad and Qaddafi were in power. You could criticize their leadership on many fronts, but they were places you could peacefully walk the streets. They were stable countries.

You can go here and check out some lovely photos of a globe-trotters trip to Aleppo, A city where he focused on taking pictures of beautiful architecture and delicious looking food at markets:

http://snapshots.travelvice.com/view/syria/aleppo/

Snapshots of Assad's Aleppo:













Aleppo now:





Before/After conflict:

64  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: North Korea again threatens war with South on: August 22, 2015, 09:41:52 am
The U.S. has over 28,000 troops there, and we have been giving S. Korea aid forever.

N. Korea gets aid too but not from the world's top military.

I'm no military expert, but it seems like absent the USA, the DPRK would easily conquer the South and re-unite the Korean peninsula.
65  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some kind of Test before Voting? on: August 22, 2015, 09:40:25 am
Mandatory voting is a terrible idea and it's embarrassing to see so many liberals endorsing it because they wrongly think it would help their 'side' in elections.
This has always bothered me.  If you know the ignorant, apathetic and dumb are generally going to vote the same way you do...I don't know, seems like it would make me question why I'm voting that way.

The alliance of Upper class liberals and the Lower class against the Middle is one of the defining characteristics in American Politics. Liberals offer free stuff for the lower classes, and the lower classes offer votes for liberals. This has been commented on by Steve Sailer as the "High/Low vs. Middle":
http://www.unz.com/isteve/highlow-v-middle-part-cxxvi/

And here as the ancient Chinese strategy of Yi Yi Zhi Yi - Using the barbarians against the barbarians.

Liberals want to do everything they can to defeat what is left of the white conservative Republican electorate, flooding the country with immigrants is one way to do that, offering all sorts of free cash to our current underclass is another way. Here's some reading on it:

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Fortunately, it's not my theory. It is a very old theory. Perhaps it even predates Mencius himself. It comes from China, so he would recognize it, and it has a catchy name: yi yi zhi yi.

This roughly translates as "using the barbarians to control the barbarians." Typically the implication is that when you have a problem with some tribe of barbarians, what you need to do is look for a bunch of even nastier barbarians, and sic them on the original barbarians. Ideally, the nastier barbarians are so barbaric that they are not conceivably a threat to you, the sophisticated mandarins of the Middle Kingdom, but still nasty enough to distract your real enemies on the frontiers, who may have learned to read and write or something. When the Romans unleashed the Huns against the Germans, it was a classic case of yi yi zhi yi.

Does this remind anyone of the real meaning of diversity? I'd like to think it's obvious. But perhaps I should just spell it out.

Basically, the Brahmins have every possible Machiavellian interest in encouraging an invasion of Third World barbarians. The more, the nastier, the better. Their real hereditary enemy is the native barbarian - the half-civilized Vaisya, the ignorant megachurched Okie redneck, the Huckabee voter, the Bircher and McCarthyite, America Firster and Coolidge voter. In the dim, distant past, the spectre of Davis and Lee and Ben Hill looms grimly up.

They will take all the Huns they can get against this breed of barbarian. They are quite aware that if their real enemies ever seize real power, it's lamppost time. Huns are not available these days, but J.T. is. And if the nationalist, nativist American right ever regrows some little pocket of testicular tissue, he is one more speed bump they'll have to go through on their way to DC. It never hurts to have a few more well-armed thugs on your team. At least not if you're a progressive, and you believe in peace and love and hugs and puppies. Yes, we can!

Of course, I'm not saying that the people who believe in peace and love, etc, actually thought up this strategy and have secret meetings where they gloat about how well it's all working. They don't need to. However they explain it to themselves, yi yi zhi yi is what they're doing. And you can't exactly call it a failure.

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/02/theory-of-ruling-underclass.html
66  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you care about the form of a government, or only its results? on: August 21, 2015, 07:00:40 pm
^ There is so much wrong with that post that I just don't have the physical strength to point it out. I'd be grateful if someone more tenacious than me takes care of it.

This is a pretty lousy post, I have tried to write detailed posts here citing my claims and fleshing out arguments, and I have seen basically one-sentence rebuttals that amount to little more than "no" or the mindless repetition of some creed. If it's too much for you to type out something intellectual, why are you even here, just to write "Lol wut? No way man!"?
67  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you care about the form of a government, or only its results? on: August 21, 2015, 06:59:27 pm
Gaddafi literally abducted and raped schoolgirls.

The man was cartoonishly evil, and Libya is without a doubt better off without him.

The country has been plunged into a civil war, ongoing since Qaddafi was toppled. ISIS has waged numerous attacks throughout there and in fact claims it as part of their caliphate. Libya still has no effective government that controls it and rival militias continue to fight for its control.

Qaddafi may have been a bad person as an individual but the country was much better stable and with one actual government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2014%E2%80%93present)

A country thrown into civil war is not justified because of the leader being a mean person. His rule was better than most throughout the Arab world.
68  General Politics / International General Discussion / U.S. Marines Stop Moroccan Terrorist on Train in France on: August 21, 2015, 06:49:30 pm
"A massacre on a high-speed train in France was prevented Friday when two U.S. Marines in civilian clothing surprised an Islamist militant, a senior European counterterrorism official told CNN.

The suspect was loading his automatic Kalashnikov rifle in a toilet when the two Marines confronted him, the source said.

The gunman fired on the Marines with a handgun, the official said, wounding at least one of them. Three people were injured aboard the Thalys train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris, authorities said.

The Marines overpowered the suspect, who was placed under arrest when the train was rerouted to the town of Arras, about 115 miles (185 kilometers) north of Paris. One of the Marines was wounded, the Pentagon said."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/europe/france-train-shooting/index.html

People really wonder why the West is having a moment where they decide that they don't want any more immigration from poor, violent parts of the world.

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Edit: I've noticed that there is a general France thread with posts on this attack. Mods feel free to delete/merge as you see fit.
69  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich on Abortion on: August 21, 2015, 06:40:19 pm
Yeah, I'm done with supporting Kasich for now at least. I've apologized for him for too long. I was hoping he would be the compassionate conservative candidate, but he can't seem to find the necessary backbone to go with it these days. He recently also said he is not a marshmallow. Bad jokes about teachers' lounges aside (?), it's time he stop acting like a marshmallow.

If he's doing this now, you think he will magically change if elected?

Of course, he's not getting elected any more than you or I are.
70  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Obama has decimated the Democratic Party on: August 21, 2015, 06:34:01 pm
He decimated it amongst White-working class. If he just drop the gun control and forcing legalization of illegal immigrants by executive order. The democrats support amongst them would not of dropped so low.



Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
71  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some kind of Test before Voting? on: August 21, 2015, 06:32:53 pm
Voting should be mandatory.

In the meantime, voluntary voting should be as easy as possible, and your suggestion would discourage the apathetic from voting by making them jump through meaningless hoops before they gain the ability to vote.



I'm not trying to discourage the apathetic with meaningless hoops.

I'm trying to discourage the unintelligent with a meaningful test.

What do you think should be the penalty for failing to vote? Say I think "the whole system is rigged" and refuse to vote.

Fine, jail time, public shaming?
72  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: O'Malley [is] a 'disgusting, little, weak, pathetic baby' on: August 21, 2015, 06:30:52 pm
73  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: LIVESTREAM/DISCUSSION: Trump S. Alabama Football Field Rally- 30,000+ Expected on: August 21, 2015, 06:26:34 pm
74  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some kind of Test before Voting? on: August 21, 2015, 06:25:05 pm
Ok we've had a few one-sentence responses, can anyone give an actual detailed answer here or will it be "No that is bad" "No it is a right" straight on down? Is the general level of discourse here a one-sentence statement of creed, or do people actually discuss things?

Why should voting be a right and not a privilege?

Why are poll taxes bad?

I think if we accept that there are in fact some people who are dumb, some who are smart, and the majority somewhere in the middle, well restricting the dumb ones from voting would help.

Why dont you ask your 7th grade social studies teacher why poll taxes are bad...or were you not paying attention?

Ok so a one-sentence reply and snark. Is your level of thinking really just remembering what you were told in 7th grade and stopping there?

I remember being taught that literacy tests were used to keep freemen, who had not been taught to read and write, from voting.

We no longer have that situation, as African Americans go to school just like anyone else.

So it seems like the times have changed, and my 7th grade teacher didn't have much to say on why they were bad now. Are you going to go ask your mom for your 7th grade notebook so you can see if she provided you an explanation for why they would be bad today?

Or perhaps you have an idea to share.
75  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iowa Radio Host: Bring Back Slavery but for Illegal Immigrants on: August 21, 2015, 06:22:06 pm
Well they better hurry up and leave before some radio show host no one ever heard of reinstates slavery!
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