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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 23, 2014, 10:45:16 pm
There are plenty of other jobs, the letter carrier is just the most visible position within the postal service.

Jeff, that's not a reasonable job for you. At the point you can go 14 days straight walking 2 miles, then you can think about applying. But so far, your record is like 2 days, and then something comes up. You simply couldn't handle that much walking in my opinion.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 23, 2014, 10:41:40 pm
First off, I am not going to lose this job, so I don't know why all the speculation and negative posting about that.  Did I not specifically request that all such speculation be stopped?  Why am I being ignored?

Second, I have just started the application process for the post office.  I just ordered an application packet over the phone that will arrive at my door within 10-14 calendar days.  That's the only way to apply for the post office.

Um, no... USPS has online applications for everything I found in Oklahoma, and some jobs even say that the application must be done online. Your aversion to online applications is quite odd, and counterproductive to what you need.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 23, 2014, 04:47:14 pm
Are they still paying your bills?

They're paying for a lot fewer bills.  I'm picking up my rent and a couple other bills, and they're chipping in for other smaller bills, but not as much as a month ago.  I hope to make their contribution less and less until I don't need it at all anymore.

So you're paying rent and what else? Are they still paying your credit cards off?

I'd rather not say publicly.  I don't want to give Mondale any ideas.

I'm not saying to list the companies. I'm just curious if you're paying your insurance, utilities, etc. I'm also curious of whether you actually started paying your cards off yourself like you assured us you would.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 23, 2014, 03:51:42 pm
Are they still paying your bills?

They're paying for a lot fewer bills.  I'm picking up my rent and a couple other bills, and they're chipping in for other smaller bills, but not as much as a month ago.  I hope to make their contribution less and less until I don't need it at all anymore.

So you're paying rent and what else? Are they still paying your credit cards off?
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 23, 2014, 01:36:55 pm
Are they still paying your bills?
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the forum been better since Inks was demodded? on: July 23, 2014, 10:56:49 am
You assume that it was me who reported it...

Everyone regularly sees you on Who's Online reporting posts. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw.

I have no way of verifying, since I can't see them, but in the past week, my guess is that I've reported a total of 3 (maybe 4) posts. If I had to guess, I highly doubt my reports are a plurality of the reports over the past week.

Unless you're reporting to purposefully piss someone off, like I do to a troika of members occassionally, why, Nathan?

Various reasons (posting of PMs, personal attacks, profanity). Why does it matter if I report a post? That's what the button is there for.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the forum been better since Inks was demodded? on: July 23, 2014, 10:47:09 am
You assume that it was me who reported it...

Everyone regularly sees you on Who's Online reporting posts. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw.

I have no way of verifying, since I can't see them, but in the past week, my guess is that I've reported a total of 3 (maybe 4) posts. If I had to guess, I highly doubt my reports are a plurality of the reports over the past week.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the forum been better since Inks was demodded? on: July 23, 2014, 10:04:12 am
You assume that it was me who reported it...

Remember, we have Mod Leaks...

It would be truly disappointing if some mods crossed the line from revealing private conversations with other mods to revealing private communications from/with non-mod posters. Unless all reports are made public, none should be disclosed. It's always been a policy not to disclose who reports posts, and there's a good reason for that policy.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the forum been better since Inks was demodded? on: July 23, 2014, 12:17:55 am
You assume that it was me who reported it...
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Subsidies through Healthcare.gov may be illegal. on: July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 pm
This is a really poor ruling, in that the upper judiciary is not supposed to interpret the language of laws but their constitutionality. It's been long established by the SCOTUS that it is up to the executive to the interpret law.

Where did you get that idea from?  The SCOTUS, for quite a long time, has interpreted statutes.  To say that the judiciary is not supposed to interpret statutory language doesn't mesh with Chevron v. NRDC.  If only the executive, and never the courts, were allowed to interpret statutes, the executive could do whatever it wanted and avoid the courts entirely, claiming that everything was within its discretionary interpretation.  Clearly the courts must have some ability to interpret statutes.

What are you talking about? The Chevron case ruled the executive's interpretation of the law goes. That's exactly the precedent it set.

That's not at all what Chevron said.  You've entirely skipped step one of the Chevron two-step and gone straight to an adulterated version of step two.

The first part of the Chevron test is to analyze "whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise question at issue. If the intent of Congress is clear, that is the end of the matter; for the court as well as the agency must give effect to the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress."

If, however, the intent of Congress is unclear or the statute is silent about Congress's intent, then the court must defer to the agency if the agency's interpretation is a "permissible construction of the statute."

That's an entirely different standard than simply saying that the upper judiciary is not supposed to engage in statutory interpretation but merely determine if a statute is constitutional.

You may disagree with the D.C. Circuit's holding that Congress's intent was unambiguously clear, but to say that the court erred in interpreting the language of the statute is completely contrary to Chevron.

I have yet to read the full case, but it seems likely that the D.C. Circuit erred, simply because so many people came to different conclusions about the ACA's meaning, and even the D.C. Circuit majority isn't entirely clear as to what it's trying to say.

There was a wide spectrum among the D.C. and 4th Circuits as to whether the statute was ambiguous and/or whether the IRS's interpretation was permissible.



The problem with the D.C. Circuit's opinion is that it seems to contradict itself.  In his close of section III.C., Judge Griffith writes, "Accordingly, applying the statute’s plain meaning, we find that section 36B unambiguously forecloses the interpretation embodied in the IRS Rule and instead limits the availability of premium tax credits to state-established Exchanges."  Yet in his conclusion, in section IV, just two paragraphs below that quote, he writes, "Thus, although our decision has major consequences, our role is quite limited: deciding whether the IRS Rule is a permissible reading of the ACA. Having concluded it is not, we reverse the district court and remand with instructions to grant summary judgment to appellants and vacate the IRS Rule."  That's not at all true.  If the statute unambiguously forecloses the IRS's interpretation, then the analysis stops there, and the role of the court ended there, and the court did not have to decide whether the IRS rule was a permissible interpretation.  The conclusion seems to be dicta, but I'd have to read the whole case to be 100% sure, but it is clear that the D.C. Circuit majority was at least sloppy in the way that it wrote its opinion, if not wrong entirely.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor Riley Keaton and Lieutenant Governor TJ on: July 22, 2014, 11:26:38 pm
I will be challenging the ballot certifications on the grounds that votes for Al should have been counted, pursuant to the holding in Badger et al v. Inks.LWC.

How does your case have any standing? Al never indicated anywhere that he'd accept votes.


That's precisely why Badger applies. In the pending case at bar, Al is the analog of George Orwell.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Mideast Governor Riley Keaton and Lieutenant Governor TJ on: July 22, 2014, 08:24:13 pm
I will be challenging the ballot certifications on the grounds that votes for Al should have been counted, pursuant to the holding in Badger et al v. Inks.LWC.
13  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Should the Supreme Court be popularly elected? on: July 22, 2014, 08:07:46 pm
That'd be one of the worst things that could happen to the judicial branch.
14  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to Ban Mr. Pollo on: July 22, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
I want to keep him around just because I'm amused by the idea that he's opebo despite having basically nothing in common. Like seriously how does snyone get that idea?

Once again, BRTD latches on to obsessively discussing a weird theory someone had 3 months ago...

Man, imagine if someone ever started obsessively hunting for the source of rather mundane "leaked" info from the mod forum including blackmail...

Well then I guess it's a good thing no one ever did that, isn't it?
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Subsidies through Healthcare.gov may be illegal. on: July 22, 2014, 07:38:31 pm
This is a really poor ruling, in that the upper judiciary is not supposed to interpret the language of laws but their constitutionality. It's been long established by the SCOTUS that it is up to the executive to the interpret law.

Where did you get that idea from?  The SCOTUS, for quite a long time, has interpreted statutes.  To say that the judiciary is not supposed to interpret statutory language doesn't mesh with Chevron v. NRDC.  If only the executive, and never the courts, were allowed to interpret statutes, the executive could do whatever it wanted and avoid the courts entirely, claiming that everything was within its discretionary interpretation.  Clearly the courts must have some ability to interpret statutes.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 22, 2014, 11:25:20 am
I feel so much better this morning and am ready to go to work today. Whatever I had was brutal, but thankfully only lasted 24 hours. I will leave here at 7:20 this morning. I should be getting my first paycheck just before Noon and I will deposit it right after work since the bank is on my way home.
No direct deposit? Do you work in 1983?

Due to the high turnover rate, they do not offer direct deposit to peons like me.  Only the upper management get direct deposit.  Direct deposit was getting too expensive for the company.

That should be a HUGE red flag. Jeff, you need to be looking for other jobs, not just CAD jobs, because my guess is that if you don't, you'll be unemployed by Labor Day.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 22, 2014, 11:17:31 am
Oh, and only half the class decided to show up today...

You say that as if it is some sort of justification for you missing. In 2 months (if that), it won't really matter that Billy Sue had as many call offs as you, because the end result will be that both you and Billy Sue are unemployed.

I'm not saying this as a matter of self-justification, or maybe I am.  Missing 3/4 of a day is certainly missing 2 days or more.   Everyone there has at least 1.5 missed days, and in some cases 2-3 full days.  Though not confirmed, I believe three ladies have quit by missing 5 days already.  I certainly don't want to miss any more, but I'm not in any danger at the present time.

You shouldn't even pay attention to your coworkers' attendance, because it's only going to cause problems for you.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Long time, no see. on: July 22, 2014, 11:13:46 am
Welcome back!
19  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to Ban Mr. Pollo on: July 22, 2014, 11:11:23 am
I want to keep him around just because I'm amused by the idea that he's opebo despite having basically nothing in common. Like seriously how does snyone get that idea?

Once again, BRTD latches on to obsessively discussing a weird theory someone had 3 months ago...
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 21, 2014, 04:46:22 pm
Oh, and only half the class decided to show up today...

You say that as if it is some sort of justification for you missing. In 2 months (if that), it won't really matter that Billy Sue had as many call offs as you, because the end result will be that both you and Billy Sue are unemployed.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Military Question:Aircraft on: July 21, 2014, 12:46:49 am
Well, the military-industrial complex has certainly played a role in why we "need" 3 different strategic bombers, but as Ernest said (implicitly), the basic reason that we have 3 is that we haven't built that many of the more recent models, and the older models still serve some useful purposes.  Unlike Ernest, I'm a bit more confident that the long-range strike bomber will end up being developed (although it may be more similar to a fighter), but that's mainly due to the influence of the military-industrial complex.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm Leaving...For Now on: July 21, 2014, 12:36:39 am
I'm not a fan of leaving threads, but there's no need to bully the guy on his way out... Come on, people.

If anybody were ever true to their word about these types of threads (lol), then it shouldn't even matter what people say about them in their thread... they've already gone, right?

However, that's clearly not applicable here:

Over the past few days, I've been thinking and praying about this, and I've decided to be leaving the forum, at least for now.  I don't know whether I'll be back, but I seriously need to break for a while.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: So, I was looking at the "Who's Online" page... on: July 21, 2014, 12:35:32 am
     They're googlebots looking at the printable versions of those pages.

Yeah, Dave has talked about this somewhere.  I wasn't able to find it with the couple searches I ran, but if my memory serves me correctly (and that's a bit of a gamble with this one), it's somewhere on The Atlas board.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 20, 2014, 11:43:43 pm
As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

See, this is where we differ. I have no idea why you wish to prove us wrong over this after being let go of countless call center jobs, but maybe one day you will succeed. And I'm fairly sure J-Mann knows more about sales jobs than you do; we all know how they act during training and then how things are different when you actually are on the sales floor. You know that too. You've felt great about these call center jobs and then the first or second day on the phones, you're either let go or in trouble on the verge of being let go.

That said, I hope you keep this one until you find a CAD job, and I hope you make an honest effort to find one. It would suit you far better than sales.

I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong that I cannot work in a call center or sales, I am just trying to prove to myself that I can keep a job no matter what it is.

But that's not a rational goal to have. Some jobs are not suited for you, and you're setting an unobtainable goal if you think that you should be able to keep any job.

He attempted to sell Ameriscam here - resulting in his forced removal as as a moderator - which... um... speaks volumes as to his sales skills and general business acumen.

He resigned (after prodding from other mods), but it's not at all accurate to say he was forcefully removed. Dave never gave any indication that he would've removed Bushie without his resignation.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again on: July 20, 2014, 11:26:47 pm
As things stand right now coming to the end of a Friday night, I am not only more comfortable, but continue to be very excited about getting on the phones the middle of next week.  J-Mann, I get that my personality type does not match call centers and sales jobs, but I do not believe that's a hard and fast rule.  I believe there are exceptions to every rule.  A person's frame of mind, I believe, plays a larger role than scientific results.  Anybody can do just about anything if they put their mind to it.  Bottom line, I am not going to let scientific results dictate how and where I make a living.

Jeff, this is why you repeatedly fail at jobs (and other tasks); you ignore facts, patterns, and statistics and let your emotions govern as you tell yourself that you'll defy the odds. You have yet to defy the odds, but you think each time will be different; it's a mentality similar to those addicted to gambling. In order to be successful, you're going to have to stop telling yourself that you can do things you can't and accept your traits and flaws as they really are.
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