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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Gym Goers! What Gym do you go to? on: Today at 07:44:28 pm
you look for a tree to make some pull-ups.

or for an ibex, to make some love. 

2  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: Today at 07:26:47 pm
Even with massive 19th century German immigration, English would have had a massive head start (and something like 60% of whites in 1790 were of English descent I believe). 

They could still have been outdone by German, Italian, and Irish.  Consider this:  the US population in 1790 was 3929214.  That is less than one-fifth of the number of immigrants who entered the USA in the 1800s, and most of those were not from England.  That is also less than one-third of the number of immigrants in the US in the year 1900.  According to the census bureau, in the year 1900, the total number of foreign-born residents in the US was 10341276.  The number generally rises as you play it forward.  In the decade from 1991 to 2000, eleven million immigrants entered, the majority of whom were from Mexico.  As of 2014, the rankings, by country, for the number of foreign born are:

Viet Nam

UK is not in the top five.  It is currently at 13th.  Also, between 1850 and 1930, about 5 million Germans migrated to the United States.  During that same period, about 3 million British and about 4.5 million Irish entered America.  About 2.4 million Italians entered the US during that period.

If one assumes, as you say, that 60% of whites were of UK origin, and subtracting 3/5 persons per 1 million negroes (or about 600 thousand) from the 3 million, then about 1.4 million were of UK origin in 1790.  1.4 million + 3 million is 4.4 million.  That's still less than the 4.5 million Irish and less than the five million who were German.  And we're not even counting the post-1900 immigration, largely from the Eastern Europe, Asia, and Latin America.

3  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: Today at 04:33:51 pm
As a result, probably German has become undercounted for some time.

I'm almost certain that English ancestry is far more undercounted than German ancestry. 

maybe.  There was a time when English names were shunned.  People named their babies Emily and George and such in profusion till about 1776, then it became very unfashionable, kinda like it became unfashionable to name babies Adolf in Germany starting in about 1945.  I knew about that, but I didn't know that they went so far as to disclaim English ancestry.  They may have, though.  Or, the anglo-American population may simply identify as USA or American.  I guess you could look at those claiming English ancestry before and after the American label was introduced.  It can't have been that long ago.  2000, maybe?
4  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: Today at 03:51:04 pm
If you think that's impressive, look at all the choices under Hispanic.  (Why do they need separate listings for Gallego and Galician?!)
Gallego is Hispanic
Galician is not.

Galician is considered to be either a dialect of Portuguese, or a separate language. Brazilian and Purtuguese are not Hispanic.

"Gallego is Hispanic.  Galician is not."  Not sure what you're getting at here.  Gallego is simply the Spanish word for what English people call Galician.  (Galego, with one L, is their own word for it.)  Thus, Gallego, Galego, and Galician are the same thing.  I'm aware that there's an argument over whether it is a dialect of Portuguese or its own language, but that's not the point.  Galicia is in Spain, is it not?  Do we exclude galicians, catalonians, valencians, and asturians because they're not castellano?  That's just as confusing. 
5  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: Today at 12:09:44 pm
For Spanish Speakers, even a fairly neutral classification of "category" was confusing.

Well it is confusing.  Not just for spanish-speakers either.  Note that MENA and Algerian are separate boxes.  I know it reads "check all that apply" but do you really need to have Egypt/Algeria separate from others of hamito-semitic stock?  

Hispanic is particularly confusing and should probably go away.  Two people born a mile apart, one in Verin, Spain and one in Chaves, Portugal, would not likely consider themselves of a different race.  One would identify as a Galician, the other as portuguese, ethnically, but if they move to the USA, they would be expected to both check White and the one from Verin also to check Hispanic then write in Galego.

Or, let's consider two people from the mountains eastern Peru, both of 100% Aymara stock.  Suppose one was raised wealthy parents with a Spanish surname and sent to catholic school and taught spanish by nuns and communicates always in spanish.  He eats paella, ceviche, and tapas, and drinks rioja.  The other is from a poor village and doesn't even hear a word of spanish until he's 15 years old.  He has an Aymara name and Aymara is his native language.  He eats cuy, potatoes, and corn, and he drinks chicha.  They both immigrate to the united states in their 20s and happen to live here when the 2010 census long form arrives in their mailboxes.  As immigrants, they don't want to break any rules so they're trying hard to fill the form out correctly.  After scratching their heads and googling AIAN, they finally figure out that this probably best describes them.  The wealthy one also checks Hispanic since he thinks in Spanish, whereas the the impoverished one only thinks in Aymara.  Yet, as much as the construct can be argued to exist, they are of the same race.
6  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: May 23, 2017, 06:17:45 am
I had no idea there were so many choices. 

I always assumed that John Kerry's ancestors were probably from Ireland.  If they were from czechoslovakia, they could choose Bohemian, Moravian, Czech, Czechoslovakian, or Slovak, according to the long list jimrtex posted.  They might also pick Austrian or German.  If they did pick German, they have all these to choose from:  German, West German, East German, German from Russia, Pennsylvania German, Germanic, and French German. 

If you think that's impressive, look at all the choices under Hispanic.  (Why do they need separate listings for Gallego and Galician?!)

I always choose U.S. or American on those things, if given the option.  If not, I check "other" and write in "U.S.A."  None of my grandparents were born in the USA, but both my parents were, and I was, and I don't feel any connection to or affiliation with any of those other countries. 

7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: When you knew Trump would win... on: May 22, 2017, 07:27:55 pm
Right here in this chair.  Surprised as hell, shocked, dismayed, and laughing my ass off.
8  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: American Jews and the ancestry question on: May 22, 2017, 07:17:48 pm
Milton Berle had a really good bit about this.  Any of you old enough to remember Uncle Miltie?  Before the Great War, they asked us what nationality we were, and we said German.  We're all German, they said.  Then, after the war started, we were suddenly Jewish.  But ma, aren't we German.  No, Milton, we're Jewish.  Anyone asks, we're not German, we're Jewish.  So, all of the sudden, we're not German any more, we're Jewish.  My grandparents suddenly aren't from Germany, they're from Jewelery.  (Ba da boom)  Or something like that.

Anyway, JimRTex is right.  Take a look at the long form:  they're not interested in ethno-religious identity.  You can be Jewish or Catholic or Zoroastrian, but they're more interested in the nation of origin of your ancestors.  Russia is a legit answer, as is Poland.  (Germany used to be, before the war.  FWIW, many prots and cathosics got the same advice.  When I was young it wasn't uncommon to hear people say, "If they ask you about your ancestry, say English."  If you're a Jew in 1918, and one parent is from Russia and the other is from Germany, you say "Jewish" in conversation, "Russian" on official forms.  If you're a Catholic in 1918 and one parent is from Germany and the other is from Italy, you say Italian.  If both parents are from Germany, you say England.  As a result, probably German has become undercounted for some time.)

9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Gym Goers! What Gym do you go to? on: May 22, 2017, 06:30:29 pm
other gym.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever had avocado toast? on: May 21, 2017, 10:57:36 am
No, but we fed it to my son quite a bit when he was about a year old.

We were looking for the fattiest fruit available and we discovered early on that it was the avocado.  A regular 150-gram avocado has about 22 grams of fat.  Assuming 9.2 calories of energy per gram of fat, the avocado will provide about 200 calories from fat.  The remaining nutritional is about 3 grams of protein and 12 grams of carbohydrate.  If we assume 4 calories of energy per gram of carbohydrate or protein, then the avocado will provide 60 calories from these sources.  So 200 out of 260 calories are from fat, so about 77% of the energy content of an avocado comes from fat, so it's really a good one for toddlers.  

We put it on toast, on bagels, on noodles, on cereal, etc.  He ate it all.  I generally use them to make guacamole, but ALDI actually has a decent prepared guacamole with enough preservatives that it lasts a couple of days in the refrigerator so we don't make it at home much now.  I have been known put them on sandwiches as well.  They have a pretty short window--eat them a day too early and they're bitter and stiff, a day too late and they're mushy and oxidized--so we don't buy them much anymore.  Also the boy is old enough now that we don't feel the need to force lots of fat into his diet.

11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump does Sword dance, is awarded in Saudi & signs "tremendous" deals ! on: May 21, 2017, 09:09:23 am
Donald's sword dance was a bit like Jennifer's pole dance.  Not really feeling it.

Wasted opportunity.
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Non alcoholic beer with a craft beer taste. Let's replace alcoholic beer. on: May 21, 2017, 08:13:43 am
You all thought I said something offensive about hipsters

To be fair, only one poster mentioned hipster, and that was really weird.  The stereotypical hipster drinks Pabst Blue Ribbon, or when that's not available, a similarly mass-produced lager.  That strikes me as the opposite of Craft Beer, which is homemade beer, or it can be small-scale brewery brewed beer.  Lancaster has 20 licensed "craft breweries."   (Well, two posters mentioned hipster, but Averroės merely corrected Nathan's misconception regarding "hipster beer.")

Speaking of Craft Beer, The Lancaster Craft Beerfest is coming soon.  We can see if any hipsters show up.  I can keep a count of fedoras, neckbeards, birth-control glasses, and skinny jeans and report here.  My son and I usually ride our bicycles there.  He plays the piano while I sample the beers.  I can take an iPad in my backpack if it isn't rainy and provide updates.  There may be Amish beer, which is often black and a bit sweet, but locally there's a four-grain Amish beer which is sort of pale and hoppy.  Amish beer is very crafty.

I don't know whether there will be any non-alcoholic beers at the brewfest--I haven't posted regarding the OP because I find the premise ridiculous, so by definition I'm trolling--but the mention of Craft Beer always reminds me of the Amish and the local brewfest.
13  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should Representatives serve four year terms? on: May 20, 2017, 11:03:27 am
president:  six-year term; limited to one term
US house:  four-year terms; no term limits
US senate:  abolish

14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What kinds of alcohol do you like? on: May 20, 2017, 10:00:01 am

Today I'll stick with the dirty vodka martini for lunch, red wine for dinner, and cognac with dessert.

We must do lunch again......I miss the dirty martini lunch.  Smiley

Next time you're on your way back from one of Uncle JJ's Kool-Aid parties, give me a shout.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Why do so many posters use the phrase "let the states decide" on: May 19, 2017, 05:46:07 pm
This is a question mark:  ?

This is a period:  .

This is a space: 

The question mark is used at the end of an interrogative sentence.  The period is used at the end of an indicative sentence.  The space is used between words.  The space is neither required nor desirable before either a period or a question mark. 

For future reference, this is an exclamation mark:  !

It is generally used with an interjection.  For example, "Fuck off!"

Note that the exclamation mark also does not want a space immediately preceding it.  Some interjections may be set aside using a comma, particularly if the feeling is not very strong.  For example, "Dammit, just stop already."

The exclamation mark can also be used in conjunction with a question mark.  For example, "Do you really not understand the meme?!"

Note that there is no space between the last character and the question mark.
16  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What kinds of alcohol do you like? on: May 19, 2017, 01:43:49 pm
they charge $9.50 for a 25.4-ounce bottle


It's $9.50 for the 11.2-ouce bottle (330 mL).  The 25.4-ounce bottle is $20.  Inspired by this thread, I stopped by there today on the way home from the club.  I remember drinking one of those but can't quite remember the taste.  After the comment about it being the drink of the gods, I thought I might give it another go.  When I saw how expensive it really was, I decided against it.  I've having a tugging urge to go back, though.  I imagine I'll probably cave in and buy one, and soon.  It's like a two hundred dollar blow job.  At first you guffaw.  WTF?  Two hundred dollars?!  Then you start to think, wow, two hundred dollars.  Must be out of this world.  I think I'll come back tomorrow with two hundred dollars. 

Today I'll stick with the dirty vodka martini for lunch, red wine for dinner, and cognac with dessert.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Card Shuffling on: May 19, 2017, 11:27:24 am
Never heard of any of those. 

I usually pick up half the deck in my right hand and the other half with the left.  The cards are face down at that point.  I then bow them slightly--convex on the front side, concave on the back--using my thumb and middle finger to hold the half-deck along the short ends while depressing them slightly with my index finger.  I do this with each hand and then bring the two hands together until my thumbs are about a centimeter apart.  Then I flip them, sort of the way you use your thumb to flip through a new stack of printer paper before loading the printer tray in order to avoid paper jam.  As I flip them they fall into place more or less alternately, left card, right card, left card, right card, etc., while making a nice flapping sound, the way it does when you clip a playing card on your bicycle forks with a clothespin when you're a kid to get that motorcycle sound.  After they fall into place, I sort of push the edges of the deck together with my palms while simultaneously bending them back up opposite way--convex on the back side, concave on the front--and flip them into a neat stack using my ring finger, pinkie finger, and heel of my palm as guides.  It makes a bit of a sloppy flapping noise during that stage, not like crisp flap of the card clipped to the forks but more like an older woman being entered, dry, for the fifth or sixth time in an evening.  I repeat this process about three times then offer the deck to my opponent for an optional cut.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What kinds of alcohol do you like? on: May 19, 2017, 07:56:19 am
Chimay Bleu is the drink of the gods; and I'm hoarding the one bottle I've got left for a rainy day

I've tried that one.  Not bad.  There's a place a few blocks from my house that sells about 500 brands of beer, and they have four different Chimay varieties, including that one, but they charge $9.50 for a 25.4-ounce bottle so it's not something I buy very often.

Right now I have a growler of locally-made IPA which isn't any cheaper, but I like its flavor a little more.  I don't drink beer often.  Mostly I drink red wine, vodka, tequila, and cognac.

Pennsylvania has strange booze laws.  To sell beer one must purchase a very expensive license and the state legislature sets a limit to the number of those licenses available.  To make matters worse, the state has a monopoly on liquor and wine sales.  As a result, beer and liquor are never sold at the same place.  As it turns out, about 450 meters from my house is a Fine Wine & Spirits store (the state monopoly) and right next door to it is the store that sells about 500 brands of bottled beer, which also has about 30 different beers on tap, although they don't brew any of their own.  Ostensibly, it's a pizza restaurant, but their pizza is really bad so I only go there to drink their beer, which by the way is free every other Thursday from 6 to 7 pm.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump told he can't land helicopter on ancient Israeli site - cancels speech on: May 18, 2017, 08:05:16 pm
Has there ever been a more Trump story than this?

There is, in fact.  I hiked the Inca Trail from Sacsayhuaman to Machu Picchu in 2003, and on the dawn of the fourth day we entered the site through Inti Punku, and one of the guides showed us around the site.  There was a big monolithic stone pillar where the priests of the Inca symbolically tied the sun to a rope every year on the winter solistice (which occurs in June down there), so that it wouldn't go away.  Apparently it worked because summer always came back to the Andes each year.  Anyway, I had read about it in many books, and had seen photos of it, but it was only about half as tall as I expected and it was broken at the top.  I asked Gloria about it, and she said that it used to be much taller, but that Budweiser had come in and filmed a commercial there about a year prior, and they had a scantily-clad supermodel leaning on it and were doing some shoots, and they kept having her press against it in all sorts of weird angles and apparently it broke.  Think about that:  an ancient stone at a UN World Heritage Site, carved 550 years ago by the Inca to keep the sun tied up, was broken by a Budweiser Girl during a shoot to sell more cheap beer to more people to make more millionaires more millions of dollars.  That's just about perfect.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to? on: May 18, 2017, 07:55:19 pm
Dvořįk 9th symphony in E minor.  Something reminded me of it and I wanted to listen.  Just finished the fourth movement, which is the part everyone recognizes as "The New World Symphony."

21  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Jennifer Lawrence pole-dancing in Vienna strip club on: May 18, 2017, 07:09:16 pm
Time to lure BRTD in:

He will not be impressed.  I googled it and found some video.  Even I was unimpressed and I'm not a connoisseur.  I'd guess that he has seen much better pole dancing.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lieberman emerges as frontrunner for FBI post on: May 18, 2017, 05:26:47 pm

There are many immanently-qualified people who could be the director of the FBI.  Why choose a career politican who works at the same law firm as your attorney?  Definitely a political pick.  Reeks of nepotism as well.  He could do worse--Lieberman's sober and generally respectable--but he is very, very old.

23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Ideas for a 5 minute informative speech? on: May 18, 2017, 03:06:18 pm
Ideas for a 5 minute informative speech?

The advantages of dry underwear and methods to maintain dry underwear.
24  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Constitutionality of giving 16-year-olds the right to vote on: May 18, 2017, 07:27:45 am
angus is against it

Ah ha!  I see my reputation precedes my post here.

Yes, I'm against it and would definitely vote against lowering the voting age on a binding referendum, but that wasn't the question.  The question only regarded the legality of jurisdictions allowing 16-year-old residents to vote.  I don't think there's an argument to be made based on age, since the constitution expressly prohibits setting local minimum voting age higher than 18.  16 is not greater than 18 so you're safe.  If there's a legal argument to be made against it, it would have to rest upon the part of citizenship.  (Citizens, not just residents, can vote.  You can be over 18 but if you're not a citizen you cannot legally vote.)  The question is, then, at what age does a person enjoy the rights generally appertaining to those of the citizen?  There is some argument that this age is viewed as 18 by the legal community.  For example, foreign-born children before the age of 18 may automatically become US citizens when a parent becomes a US citizen, but if the parent becomes a US citizen after the child's 18th birthday, then the child is not automatically a US citizen when the parent becomes naturalized.  Then the thinking that applies to foreigners who become naturalized citizens would logically apply to natives who become citizens by virtue of age.  That is, when a person reaches the age of 18 he begins to enjoy certain rights and certain burdens.  Among those, I think, is the right to vote, and the burden of loyalty.

There are some inconsistencies.  One must be 21 to purchase a handgun and to purchase alcoholic beverages as well, yet one can purchase cigarettes at 18 and join the military at 18.  Then again, those limitations are probably not related to the lofty ideal of citizenship, but rather related to logistics, medical concerns, or safety.  Sort of like getting a driver's license at 16, getting certified as an open water SCUBA diver, or watching certain movies in theaters at 13.  Those limitations clearly have nothing to do with citizenship.  They have to do with personal safety, public safety, and psychiatric or medical considerations.  Perhaps the handgun, cigarette, and alcohol policies are based on such factors as well, and it just happens to be the case, but unrelated, that the cigarette-purchasing age limit is the same as the voting age limit.

25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: USA TODAY: Miss USA denounced the word 'feminist,' leaving some fans confused on: May 17, 2017, 06:05:18 pm

For her final question, McCullough was asked whether she considered herself a feminist, responding that she preferred the term "equalist."

"I try not to consider myself this die-hard, 'I don't care about men' (type)," she said. "Women, we are just as equal as men when it comes to opportunity in the workplace. Firsthand, I've witnessed the impact women have in leadership in the medical sciences as well as in office environments."

Good for her.  Feminists and feminism should be rejected consistently.  This is nothing new and is something I've posted many times on this forum, but it's nice to see a high-profile female say that it isn't right.  Voted FF, but with reservations.  (I wish she had a better grasp of the English language.  "Equalist" isn't a word.  Well, it probably is now, because it has made its way into the urban dictionary and some other websites at least five years ago, but a word already already exists for what she's trying to say:  egalitarianism.  Egalitarianism is, in my opinion, a superior objective to feminism or masculinism.  I think she's trying to say that she's not a feminist, but an egalitarian.  Good for her. 

I don't know much about her, but after reading the article, I find other reasons to regard her as a freedom fighter as well.  She seems very opposed to political correctness and other newspeak.  We tend to think of "miss america" as a dumb blonde bombshell who looks good in a bikini, which is very unfortunate because a number of them have been exceptionally talented and insightful.  Kara McCullough clearly breaks the mold in so many ways and shows that Miss USA has a mind of her own. 

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