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1  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mustard. on: May 03, 2016, 03:24:32 pm
Amusing how we're often associated to some stuffs for which we haven't done anything particular (fries, mustard).

We don't have the cumbersome labeling rules here.  I have some Texas chili from New Jersey, Vidalia onions from North Carolina, German beer from Minnesota, and a French Drain in my basement.  

Yeah, the French Fry inventor was a Belgian too.  Or chips.  If he had a French given name and a Flemish last name, like Jean Claude van Damme, we'd probably figure out he was Belgian.  I think Franklin introduced the French court to potatoes.  The king loved them, didn't he?

"Mother'n'Daddy'd come down often enough to where I could have mustard'n'biscuits three times a week.  ummm hmmgh"

I bet Slingblade uses French's Mustard on his biscuits.
2  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mustard. on: May 03, 2016, 11:12:20 am
I did not know Americans divided mustard into brown and yellow

I didn't either.  I suspect most people didn't, but when that grumpy old bastard made the poll it was immediately obvious to me, and I suspect to others, that he meant either the French's style or the Gulden's style.  It's like, "now that you mention it..." even though we never really thought conscientiously before of subcategorizing mustard in this way.

Note:  yellow mustard is actually yellow, but "brown" mustard is only brown the way "red-haired" people have red hair.  In other words, it's not really brown, but more of a babyshit yellow, or maybe a '74 Mercury Comet yellow.  Yellow mustard is made for potato salad.  There is really no substitute for it in potato salad, and potato salad without yellow mustard is not good potato salad.  "Brown" mustard, on the other hand, is versatile, and is good on steak tips, sandwiches, and hot dogs.  My sister even likes it on French fries.  I'll do it too in a pinch, although I prefer mayonnaise on fries.

I have also seen people putting mustard on pretzels, as has been mentioned, but I haven't tried it myself.  A good pretzel should not need basking, although when I get old and my teeth start to fall out I will probably start experimenting with condiments on pretzels.  I think I'd start with a hearty black Chinkiang vinegar for that purpose.

3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Brawl between FOX and HuffingtonPost at WHCD after-party on: May 03, 2016, 07:42:43 am
"No cinematic sparring or broken beer bottles, witnesses said, but the two flailed around a bit, upending a table and bumping into several people."

Ending an homage to the President with "you're my nigger" makes for a hard act to follow, but this should get effort points. 

I've watched a few of those dinners on CSPAN in past years.  They have just the right amount of stuffiness.  Unfortunately, it has become now a scene event for the vapid glitterati so it'll probably continue to be ameliorated in future years. 
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Mustard. on: May 03, 2016, 07:30:15 am
If you'll have ketchup or any other toppings...go yellow.  If you,ll just have mustard, use brown or something spicier.

ketchup should be avoided.

I like a mixture of mayonnaise and mustard on the bun, with grilled onions, green peppers, and jalapeños draped liberally atop the frank.  I usually use a bitter American-made mustard such as Gulden's or Hebrew National or Kosciusko, but I find that they often only have French's mustard in many fast food places.  If I'm having Wolf brand chili with beans on my hot dog, then I prefer a mixture of yellow (French's or Plochman's) mustard and mayonnaise on the bread, then copious finely-diced raw onion on the hot dog, then a liberal coating of chili.  It is important that the onions be coated with chili.  I like to wash this down with Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.  Then I wash the Sierra Nevada taste out of my mouth with a Cape Codder.  

Voted brown, but I can go either way.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton: I'm very experienced with men who go 'off the reservation' on: April 29, 2016, 05:08:28 pm

I could really care less.


She does this quite a bit.  This is why I question her judgment. 
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Campaign legitimately printing woman cards on: April 28, 2016, 05:55:55 pm
All campaign schwag is good schwag.  Might be a collectible item one day.  I have stuff going back to Carter.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Sanders goes 7-1 between now and California, what is the media reaction? on: April 27, 2016, 07:03:04 pm
I reckon it would be the second option.  I don't notice the majority of writers (Chris Ciliza of WaPo and a few others excepted) playing favorites in the Democrat primaries the way they're doing it in the GOP primaries.  All the major dailies make no excuses when excoriating The Donald and his supporters, but between Clinton and Sanders, they do seem to be reporting on the straight. 
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: So I went to Hillary's rally in Philly...(and her victory party!) on: April 27, 2016, 06:35:21 pm


I love the liberty bell as a metaphor for Hillary.  It's cracked.  Anyway, it seems like you had a good time.  Congrats on the win.  Tongue
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Indiana flyover country on: April 27, 2016, 06:14:13 pm
Voted no.  (Indiana is a small part of flyover country, but it is not flyover country by itself.)

For future reference, see the diagram below:




You're welcome.

10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Has your opinion of Bernie Sanders changed in the last few months? on: April 27, 2016, 08:14:39 am
I definitely have a higher opinion of Sanders now than I did four months ago. 
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: County Map Guesses for April 26th Elections on: April 27, 2016, 07:55:21 am
We have some Lancaster county results now.  51% of Democrats voted for Sanders, 49% for Clinton.  44% of Republicans voted for Trump.  Turnout was high, about 50% for Republicans and 41% for Democrats.  In a typical year, primary elections see about a 25% turnout, although in 2008 it was 35%.

Lancaster County results Republican:
   Donald J. Trump ... 37,576
   Ted Cruz ... 26,879
   John R. Kasich ... 18,540
   Ben Carson ... 1,265
   Marco Rubio ... 562
   Jeb Bush ... 553

Democrat:
   Bernie Sanders ... 20,997
   Hillary Clinton ... 19,634
   Roque Rocky De La Fuente ... 193
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you think Trump expected to win the nomination when he announced last June? on: April 27, 2016, 05:55:25 am
Trump is awesome. 

No.  I think everyone is a little shellshocked but now I'm desensitized.  Partially, anyway.  I'm still caught a offguard by his speeches, such as his victory speech last night.  He went on for half an hour about himself.  Every candidate I've ever seen as such moments makes (empty) promises and reminds us of his legislative agenda.  All Trump talked about was winning.  And Clinton was as screechy as ever.

Either way, I think I'll try to avoid watching any television news for the four-year period beginning in January.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who did you vote for today? on: April 26, 2016, 05:12:45 pm
Went with Sanders, Sestak, and Shapiro for President, Senator, and AG.  There were also some local offices.  

I spoiled a ballot.  That has never happened before.  I picked up my son and we went in together.  No line per se.  I walked up the path, into Saint Thomas Episcopal church, and into the big room where was a table with an old man who found my name and asked me to sign.  there was a big stack of paper squares, some marked D and some marked R.  He gave me a D and I took it to an even older woman who gave me a ballot.  I took my son with me to one of the little tables with side blinders and tried to explain to him why Donald Trump was not one of the choices.  Then I explained that I was going to vote for Sanders.  And Sestak.  I haven't been following the AG race so we played eenie-meenie-miney-mo and came up with Shapiro for AG.  And there were a few other local races and I've been spammed enough by them to know which ones I dislike least.  The ballot said to flip over and vote on the other side, so I flipped it over and it asked us to "pick not more than five" delegates.  I just went with the first five.  My son pointed out that some of them said "committed to Bernie Sanders" and I'd accidentally picked some that were "committed to Hillary Clinton."  Ewww.  I felt like I needed a long, hot shower, with bleach.  I thanked him for pointing out that I should choose Sanders delegates so I approached the old woman and apologized profusely for spoiling the ballot.  She just took my ballot and smiled and said, "oh, I see you're a Democrat.  That happens sometimes with Democrats."  I don't know if that was meant to be a joke.  Anyway, I apologized again and she just smiled and gave me a new one, which I was careful to mark correctly.  I also voted no on the two propositions, but I'm led to believe recently that it doesn't matter for one of them because it has been invalidated and will appear later this year with different wording.  Afterward, I tore off the stub, fed it into the scanner/reader and got my "I voted" sticker, and headed to Oregon Dairy for some Black Raspberry ice cream.  


14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who did you vote for today? on: April 26, 2016, 10:25:44 am
Who WHOM did I vote for?

haha.  That's the first thing I noticed as well.  Typical Sandernista.  We're not very good at delegate math, apparently, but we have the grammar rules down.

I'll vote for Bernie in this thread after I vote this afternoon.

¡hasta la victoria!

Actually, both "who" and "whom" are acceptable forms in this syntactic context. "Whom" has been falling out of favor over the time because it is perceived as overly formal or pompous, especially in an informal board such as Atlas, while a good number of those who use it, hyperwhom as they no longer intrinsically know the original rule underlying "whom." Just my 2 cents.

If "who did you vote for" is correct, then so must "I voted for he" be correct.  Obviously it is not.  

do you also like lovesongs about you and I?  Share secrets between you and I?  Only if you and me are going steady, baby. 

Both forms are acceptable?  Perhaps they are acceptable in the same way that calling Mexicans and Muslims dirty names is acceptable.  If President Trump does it enough, then it becomes normal.  I don't care if President Trump thinks that "who" can be used in the context of the objective form of the personal pronoun, it still does not make it grammatically correct.  Not even in the middle of Fifth Avenue.  I don't think you're giving the forum enough credit.  I suspect that most posters here remember the difference between an objective form and a nominative form for personal pronouns, even though they might not always obey those rules.  

Who voted?  I voted.  (I am the actor, therefore the subject)

Whom did I vote for?  I voted for him.  (he is the receiver of the action, therefore the object)
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who did you vote for today? on: April 26, 2016, 09:58:13 am
Who WHOM did I vote for?

haha.  That's the first thing I noticed as well.  Typical Sandernista.  We're not very good at delegate math, apparently, but we have the grammar rules down.

I'll vote for Bernie in this thread after I vote this afternoon.

¡hasta la victoria!
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders? on: April 26, 2016, 09:49:03 am
Things are picking up.  In the two hours since I've posted, I've seen Bernie schwag on three backpacks and one ancient, tattered Rock The Vote t-shirt.  I have not yet seen any Clinton, Cruz, or Trump memorabilia or shirts or signs today.

I'll probably take off early, around 3, to vote.  I thought about doing it at 8ish but I thought there may be a line.  In 31 years of voting, I've never had to wait in line to vote.  Or I've never had to wait for more than a two or three people, to be honest, but I keep hearing of long lines, especially this year in Pennsylvania because maybe the primary here matters.  I think 3 to 4 pm would be a decent timeslot.  I'm thinking of picking up my son first and taking him there.  I wouldn't have bored him with this in the past, but they're discussing the election in his SS class.  He likes Trump.  They all like Trump.  Trump is very popular with the current fifth-grade class at Landis Run intermediate school.  I guess it's going to bum him out when I tell him that I'm voting for someone other than Trump.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders? on: April 26, 2016, 07:37:02 am
They weren't particularly terrible today.  I was looking out for political propaganda on my drive to work, and the only signs I noticed were for congressional and legislative races.  I did see striking workers downtown at Verizon offices.  They have been there for over a week.  Always at least four or five people with "stand up to Verizon" boards and signs walking about the block in front.  I only noticed two pieces of propaganda on campus, both for Sanders.  One was a poster on a bulletin board, which I'm sure an administrator will remove once it gets noticed, and the other was a door hanger, the kind that usually say "do not disturb" on hotel doors, but this one had a picture of Sanders and said it said something about Revolution.

¡Hasta la victoria siempre! 
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders? on: April 25, 2016, 10:53:04 pm
You're stoked, man. 

Seems that we're on the same team at the moment:  I agree with your comments about experience.  Obviously many voters are willing to overlook Clinton's blind ambition, especially loyal Democrats who can discount me in November.  I'm up for supporting Bernie tomorrow morning.  Should he actually get nominated, he can count on my support in the fall.  Feel the Bern.

(off-topic, but some revisionist historians are giving Buchanan a second look.  At least around here.  There have been a number of op-ed pieces in his favor lately.)
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders? on: April 25, 2016, 10:20:06 pm

Obviously this is anecdotal, but I bumped into a ridiculously ignorant Sanders supporter while waiting for my friend at his school. Apparently the only reason Hillary won anywhere was massive voter fraud. First time I've ever heard that level of ignorance from someone in-person, even when compared to the rather dumb stuff I've heard the past couple months from people I actually know / am friends with. On top of that, reddit, a place I used to love is now a cesspool of anti-Hillary / pro-Bernie ignorance and delusion. Obviously that place was never a bastion of substantive discussion, but it's gotten extremely toxic since Sanders came into vogue. There is no better example imo than reddit, but there are more.

The problem with what Sanders is doing is that he's painting her as a corrupt plutocrat who will immediately screw over everyone when she gets elected. I really don't think she's any worse than most other politicians in that regard. There are good reasons to think that she will try to do what she has promised if elected, but it is impossible to talk to people about her when they have been conditioned to believe she will screw them over after getting elected, because it gives them a way to deny any argument against their views as they resort to these accusations and future predictions that really cannot be disproved (and not because there is damning evidence, either). Bernie's campaign and the media have been exceptionally efficient in her character assassination.


anecdotal bits are interesting.  

I try to avoid political discussion with the ignorant and I haven't visited reddit, but I have no trouble imagining rabid, unwashed Sanders supporters.  Would his supporters be as obnoxious with Warren as with Clinton?  We can't say for sure, but I don't think so.

I agree that she's not a plutocrat, but we might argue over how corrupt she can be.  She will not necessarily go out of her way to wreak havoc.  Sanders has used emotionally-motivated rhetoric, such as when he said she was "unqualified" to be president.  No matter how much I mistrust her, I would concede that her resume is superior to anyone running against her from any party this year.  A well-polished candidate has a built-in advantage, and I think that Sanders is figuring that out, but it doesn't excuse some of his excesses.  Still, from what I can tell most of the "character assassination" is the normal sort we see every season.  I don't hold it against him when he reminds us that she is prone to political expediency.  That's one of the least provocative charges he could legitimately lay against her.

20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What would descesed political writers say about this election? on: April 25, 2016, 02:24:38 pm
I would love to hear what Maureen Does would have to say about Cruz. I loved her moniker of Shrub for George W. Does anyone remember the journalist Robert Kelly? I believe that was his name.

I think it was Molly Ivins who first called W shrub, way back in the early 90s when he became governor of Texas.  She died in 2007 but if she's doing an op-ed piece for Saint Peter's monthly magazine I'd imagine she has much to say of The Donald.  

Some Molly Ivins quotes:

"There are two kinds of humor. One kind that makes us chuckle about our foibles and our shared humanity -- like what Garrison Keillor does. The other kind holds people up to public contempt and ridicule -- that's what I do. Satire is traditionally the weapon of the powerless against the powerful."

"The first rule of holes: when you're in one, stop digging."

"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority."
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: County Map Guesses for April 26th Elections on: April 25, 2016, 12:52:59 pm
Last year:
"When I am elected president, that group of bonnet wearing buffoons can go back to Holland, as far as I care.  Holland, Netherlands, whatever you want to call ’em. A bunch of tulip loving, wooden shoed freaks. They can take take their filthy beards and make some barns over there in the dark. This is America!”

This year:
“I love the Amish. Love ‘em. And the Amish know what it means to build. They use those little hand screws. With the hats, all black, very nice. They all work together to raise their house or barn or whatever. Very nice. I know what you’re thinking and yes, I could grow a beard – but if I’m president we’d move a whole lot faster. We’d get a line of trucks in here and they’ll be the biggest barns you’ve ever seen, believe me.”
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders? on: April 25, 2016, 12:05:41 pm
I have to wonder if the hate of her is unique

True enough.  

Like tmc, I haven't met any really obnoxious Sanders supporter, but maybe pointing out Clinton's many faults makes us all obnoxious.  

I voted no because I think that Warren doesn't provide the fodder.  When she is shrill, it is about the same sort of stuff that Sanders is shrill about:  Wall Street executives destroying the economy and the widening income gap.  Both Warren and Sanders were for marijuana and single-payer before it was cool.  On foreign policy, Warren not as far from Sanders as Clinton is.  She favors a Palestinian state, is anti-war, and has long opposed continuing US involvement in Afghanistan.  All three have similar positions on campaign finance reform, but Sanders has actually collected all his 182 million dollars from 7 million individual donors, whereas Clinton has collected about a third of her 260 million from political action committees.

More importantly, Warren didn't hire private investigators and thugs to follow women around, back when was First Lady of Arkansas, to bully them into silence because she put her husband's (and her) career ahead of the benefit of the people.  I don't know quite as much about Warren, but I've never thought she had a criminal psychology and she doesn't exhibit symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder.  I do know that she is an an old-fashioned girl from Oklahoma and a blue-collar background.  She started waiting tables as a teenager and worked to put herself through university and law school.  

If you think it's vicious now, wait till the general election.  By then it won't just be the supporters but the campaigns who will go negative.  The GOP will manage to nominate Trump, who has about the same level of integrity as Clinton, but who lacks the filter.  The reason I think it will be especially negative is because unlike in previous years, when the Republican establishment could put its many millions of dollars into making advertisements for their candidates, this year they have a candidate that they can't sell.  Their only choice will be to spend money going negative.  The same situation will be the case in the Democrat national party.  Both parties will go negative early and often, and because Clinton and Trump are both so dirty by the end of it, we will have an exhausted and cynical electorate and a very low voter turnout.  I do not think this would be the case if the Democrats nominated someone other than Clinton and the Republicans nominate someone other than Trump.  

23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Nationalism? on: April 24, 2016, 11:48:50 am
They shoot without shame in the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent or the color of your shirt
Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bernie Sanders/Ron Paul on: April 22, 2016, 05:37:07 pm
Both!  

Those who posted here 8 years ago will remember what a major Paultard I was.  I think I posted at least one photo of me and Ron chatting.  I met with him twice, in fact.  Once we talked for fifteen minutes about fiscal policy.  I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 and in the 2012 Iowa caucus.  Now I'm in Pennsylvania and I'm a Sandernista.  I haven't met Sanders yet, but I get Berned just a little bit every time I hear him talking about how much the economic system needs an overhaul.  After the primary I'll probably get Berned out, but right now I just want to Bern down the house.

I love this question, by the way.  I'm not sure how many Paultards there are who became Sandernistas, but it's nice to know that there are others.  



25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How much money did you waste on Bernie Sanders? on: April 22, 2016, 01:12:06 pm
How much money did you bern?

My insurance will probably cover the ointment, but the office visit will have a copayment of about 12 dollars, so I went with the third option.
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