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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you say Massachusetts "Massa-choo-sits" or "Massa-choo-zits"? on: Today at 07:55:57 pm
Muon's right about Waltham.  I'd always assumed it was Walt (as in Walt Disney) and "am" as in birmingham (as in the video Al posted, not in the city of MLK, Jr's experiences).  Walt (stress on Walt) followed by a barely audible "am"  You'd think that might be the case.  Hingham, MA is pronounced like that (Hing, as in Hing 'em High, which is what a friend of mine from Hingham called his high school) followed by a barely audible "am".  Almost, HINGmm"  So WALTmm made sense.  (It still makes sense to me internally.)  Walt is part of one syllable.  Ham is part of another.  There's no reason to do the theta thing, because the T followed by the H is incidental, not etymological.  Still, the locals there pronounce it as though it is.  There's a definite TH, as in theta or theological or catharsis.  Maybe it's just cathartic for them, although there's really not an etymologically correct reason that folks should pronounce it that way.  It should, technically, just be WALTmm.  Kinda like a remote should just be a remote, not a clikka.

If it's any consolation, massholes aren't the only ones who do this.  I live in Lancaster PA.  (Note, people from PA say PA.  Not like an acronym as in "mah and pah kettle."  They actually always say PA, as in PA system.  Where you from?  Sranton PA.  Erie PA.  Like that.)  People from Lancaster County invariably break the syllable between the C and the A, as in Laenk ister, unlike everyone else in the known universe.  There's a Lancaster in California, a Lancaster in Texas, and a Lancaster in England.  Probably in lots of other places as well.  They all speak differently in those places, but one thing they have in common is that they break the syllables between the N and the C.  Lan  Caster.  Not so in Laenk  ister  Pee Ayy.  Here, they always break it between the C and the A.  As weird as massholes talk, and they do talk weirdly, the Lancaster people talk pretty weirdly too.
I guess people talk weirdly everywhere.  I've had a driver's licence in nine states.  And, before that, I attended 13 schools from kindergarten through 12th grade, mostly in the united states, but occasionally in other countries, and I've always something to bitch about when it comes to local pronunciation.  It's only when I live somewhere for an extended period that it really gets under my skin.

The problem with words like Massachusetts and Connecticut is that they're indigenous words with no original written language, transliterated by English people.  Texas is even worse, because it's an attacapa word transliterated by Spanish people and then mispronounced by English people.  One more step removed.  We have so many place names that got filtered through the vocalizations and spellings of English, French, and Spanish colonizers in an era prior to modern political sensitivities that it's hard to argue what the correct pronunciation might have been, or what it should be now.  And even when we have an exact pronunciation from England, France, or Spain--as in Lancaster, PA, Etoile, TX, Nevada, IA, or Medina, OH--the locals pronounce it in such a foreign way, and so consistently, that the local pronunciation becomes the correct one, no matter the original.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you say Massachusetts "Massa-choo-sits" or "Massa-choo-zits"? on: Today at 09:13:58 am
I say Massa-choo-zits and apparently this is fairly unusual.

I should think so.  I lived in Massachusetts for five years and the locals never said anything other than Mass.  Where you from?  Sommavul Mass.  Hingham Mass.  Woostah Mass.  Like that.  That was in the eastern part of the state, though.  maybe it's different out in the Boondocks and Berkshires. 

The voiced sibilant is common enough, though.  I noticed that folks from all parts of New England pronounce Qunicy as Kwinzee.  Joseph and Houses are given the voiced sibilant there also.  I think that might be the case in Old England as well.

I did notice that everyone around Boston calls a water fountain a bubbla and a remote control a clikka.  Gimme dat clikka. 

Anyway, I say Massa Chu Setts.  (unvoiced sibilant.)  Sort of like your first choice but the vowel sound in the last syllable being setts, like it is spelled, not sits.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What year were you born based on your classic tv preferences on: February 24, 2017, 10:25:00 am
Made guesses where my NOTAs would be

No doubt.  In the "if you had to watch a marathon of one of these six shows?" question I was looking for the suicide option.  Didn't see it.  I think I ended up picking Friends.

Thanks for the good wishes. 
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What year were you born based on your classic tv preferences on: February 24, 2017, 10:00:39 am

(Today is actually my 50th birthday)
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: February 23, 2017, 08:40:29 pm
Wasn't sure what I was expecting

neither was I.  Outside this forum I have never heard anyone refer to anyone else as a cuck.  (Actually, that's the case with many terms I read on this forum.)  After I saw the reference to the test I looked it up, and it apparently means someone who is easily led, or misled.  To quote UrbanDictionary.com, a cuck is "a weak, feckless, spineless, and decidedly pathetic specimen of manliness."

You are apparently the opposite of all that.  You are a bagelman, not a cuck. 

6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: February 23, 2017, 01:18:23 pm
YOUR c--- LEVEL IS: 31%

NOT A CUCK. Although you may indulge in one or two questionable habits or entertain a few less-than-savory sentiments, on the whole you are degeneracy-free and thoroughly uncucked.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The average person born in the year 1980 has more in common with... on: February 23, 2017, 12:15:37 pm

Is this a trick question?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alan Colmes dead at 66 on: February 23, 2017, 12:02:37 pm
Don't worry, Saint Peter will turn him into a white christian in the booth. 

I'm not so sure about Hannity.  He better hope he lives a long, long time. 
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Heaven has 'extreme vetting'? When Republicans legislate from the Bible on: February 23, 2017, 11:47:22 am
Heaven has none of those things.

apparently it does.  This is from the gospel according to Saint Matthew, chapter 19:  "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."  I'd call that vetting anyway, and extreme.  Matthew also mentions a gate (chapter 7).  I'm not sure about a wall.  I'm no biblical scholar but it took less than 30 seconds and a search engine to find those bits of lexicon from the bible.

Also, it isn't unusual for political parties to use religious ideas to promote their agendas.  Not only Democrats and Republicans in the USA, but parties all over the world have done so for a very long time.

This is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect from the CPAC.  The logic is a bit flawed, but as a soundbite it's pretty clever in my opinion.  This conference is basically a pep rally.  The people there might not be biblical scholars, but they have some vague idea about the mythological plane of existence known as heaven, and they probably understand it as having a metaphorical or metaphysical gate, and that there's some process of vetting (probably that word usually isn't used in such a context, but it's as good as any).  My guess is that the line will go over well with that crowd.
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Have you gotten snow yet this season? on: February 23, 2017, 08:37:58 am
Unusually warm here as well.  Records were set on February 7 and February 17.  This graphic is from the Millersville University department of meteorology:

11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which kind of Canadian Millennial are you? on: February 22, 2017, 07:34:52 pm
apparently I am part of the Critical Countercultures Millenials Tribe

(that's a mouthful.  Did the Critical Countercultures Millenials Tribe come up with the name Critical Countercultures Millenials Tribe?  If so, then it's not a Critical Countercultures Millenials Tribe that I want to be tribal with.)
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is a bigger problem in public restrooms? on: February 22, 2017, 12:04:42 pm
Neglecting the handwashing after you take a dump is only a problem if you're the one preparing my meal.  Trannies in the men's room is only a problem if they're so hot as to be distracting, which is almost never the case.  Almost.

On balance, I'd say that lack of toilet hygiene poses a bigger potential problem.

13  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: My foreign policy plans restated: since people can't seem to get it ;) on: February 22, 2017, 09:06:05 am
Make Atlasia Great Again!
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-Vaccine Parents Feel Empowered by Donald Trump on: February 21, 2017, 05:55:27 pm
Would you knowingly attend a school that had unvaccinated kids, or if you are a working adult, would you allow your children to attend it? 

15  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Post your college education (or lack thereof) and classes you've taken on: February 21, 2017, 08:38:45 am
BS in mathematics with minors in chemistry and physics
MS in theoretical physical chemistry
PhD in experimental physical chemistry
post-doctoral fellowship with the US department of energy in combustion science

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: February 2017 Federal Election on: February 18, 2017, 07:36:52 pm


[ 2 ] dfwlibertylover/Goldwater
Federalist Party

[ 4 ] Maxwell/smilo
Vermont Communist Party/Harambe is a Free Gorilla Party

[ 1 ] NeverAgain/Southern Gothic
Labor Party

[ 3 ] Winfield/Poirot

[ 4 ] 1184AZ of Washington
Labor Party

[ 2 ] Cashew of California
Labor Party

[ 1 ] Enduro of Pennsylvania
Federalist Party

[ 12 ] lwp2004 of Connecticut
United Alternative

[ 3 ] North Carolina Yankee of North Carolina
Federalist Party

[ 6 ] OneJ_ of Mississippi
Labor Party

[ 11 ] Peebs of North Carolina
Labor Party

[ 5 ] Potus2036 of West Virginia
Federali7st Party

[ 10 ] SecureAmerica/Heisenberg of New Mexico
Federalist Party

[ 9 ] simossad of Minnesota
Labor Party

[ 8 ] tedbessell of California
Federalist Party

17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Midwest on: February 16, 2017, 05:29:49 pm
This is not really as well thought out and just something I did for fun, but at one point I decided to divide the contiguous 48 states (+DC) into 7 regions of 7 states each, and this is what I came up with:

amusing.  equal number of states each, but try seven states with equal population each.  That's harder.  Here's a map with fifty states of equal population:

I think I live in Susquehana, which I would call part of the Middle Atlantic region.  (It appears that Lancaster County is in Susquehana and neighboring Chester County is in Philadelphia, but I might be mistaken.)

In this map, I would define the midwest as Missouri, Lincoln, Green Bay, Wabash, Chicago, Michiana, Detroit, North Coast, Sohio, St. Croix, High Plains, Llano Estacado, and Brownia.

(I feel weird putting Sohio and North Coast in the "midwest" but no weirder than I feel putting Ohio, a state entirely within the easternmost of our four time zones, in the "midwest" and I always do, mostly because I've been told all my life that Ohio is in the Midwest.)
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Midwest on: February 16, 2017, 12:23:25 pm
I considered that, but I wanted to give the intermontane west some population.  That said, I agree with you.  I reconsidered DC as well.  After all, it's not even a state.

19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Midwest on: February 16, 2017, 12:17:16 pm

20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The South on: February 16, 2017, 11:48:23 am
Something like this.  I'm not being too careful or looking up county boundaries, but this is my general idea.  The three shades of red are "The South."  Orange and Yellow at a stretch.

I'd include all on the list except DE, MO, OK, and TX.  (Overall, I think of OK and TX as more cowboy than southern, MO is more midwestern than southern, and DE is more eastern than southern.)

DC is not a state, but it's smack-dab in between two states that lie south of Mason and Dixon's line, so I voted for it to have geographically contiguous south.  

I consider the Deep South to be the states of AL, GA, MS, and SC.  
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 16, 2017, 08:30:05 am
(do you need a sort for a day that's already before another one?)

Yes, it's called "other one eve."  For example, All Hallows Eve (Halloween) proceeds All Hallows Day.  The relevant question is, do you need a word for the day that's before the day before another one?  Hallows Eve's Eve?  Christmas Eve's Eve?  

I had no idea that anyone had a special word for October 30, other than October 30, so I looked up.  Apparently there's no universal standard, but many terms exist.  A cursory internet search turned up Mischief Night, Goosey Night, Hell Night, Cabbage Night, Gate Night, Devil's Night, Devil's Eye, Trick Night, and Mat Night, among others.

I do think you're probably right in your analysis of Michigan.  Take a look at this map from a Harvard linguistics department study:

Although it would not explain my affinity for Michiganspeak over other parts of the upper midwest.  I've only spent the night in the state once.  I wasn't there long enough to pick up on Devil's Night.

22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 15, 2017, 01:39:08 pm
So drive through liquor stores? Wtf?

I just call them drive through liquor stores.  I've not seen any in Pennsylvania--in fact, the state has a weird monopoly on all liquor sales in Pennsylvania--but I've been to a few elsewhere.  New Hampshire comes to mind.  There they look like big barns and you drive up and stop at a window and tell them what you want and they hand it to you.

When I was much younger the drive-through bars were common enough as well.  You drive up and say, "I want a margarita, rocks, no salt" and in a minute or so they'd hand it to you in a big plastic to-go cup so you could drive around with a cold, refreshing beverage.  Then states started passing open-container laws.  I haven't seen any of those since I was about 20 years old, but I remember being in high school and getting mixed drinks with my buddies and driving around drinking them.  Misspent youth.  The minimum age to buy liquor then was 18 but it wasn't much enforced back then.  Only occasionally would someone ask me for an ID.  Then the drinking age started increasing, state by state, and now they're all 21.  I think the last holdout was Louisiana.  They stayed at 18 till I was about 27 or so.  Not only did the drinking age increase, but enforcement actually increased as well. 

The drive-through liquor stores still exists though, and so long as they don't sell open containers or to any one under the age of 21, they'll probably continue to exist.  (Except in Pennsylvania.)
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Paste the last thing you copied. on: February 15, 2017, 12:20:10 pm
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 15, 2017, 12:16:04 pm
Looks like I have a NC accent:

Wow, you're like Andy Griffith.  But without the uniform.  And the fatherly advice.  And maybe with a few more captives in your basement.

Looks like you have some Long Island speak as well.  I got that too, even though I don't actually pronounce Long Island as one word.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 14, 2017, 08:22:00 pm

I got pretty much the exact opposite of you (heavy on New York/New Jersey and Louisiana, but light on the Pacific Northwest):

I think maybe we got different questions, though.  I didn't see anything about a dance or about potatoes, or about spendy or coffee slang.  Mine asked me about things like the night before Halloween (I have no special name for this); the grassy area just outside the sidewalk, which I just call the grassy area outside the sidewalk; and a drive-through liquor store, which I just call a drive-through liquor store.  

My cities were New York, New Orleans, and Yonkers.  
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