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1  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / McCain/Bloomberg vs. Obama/Schweitzer on: June 17, 2008, 04:13:00 pm
Would Bloomberg accept the position? Discuss with maps.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Johnson/Humphrey vs. Reagan/Laxalt vs. Wallace/LeMay on: June 17, 2008, 06:55:00 am
President Johnson decides that it is his duty to his country to seek a second term as President in 1968. After a narrow victory in the New Hampshire Primary, Johnson looses the next few primaries. But, Johnson has a lot of non primary state delegates behind him which gives him a good number of delegates. Johnson narrowly wins the Oregon primary. Kennedy and McCarthy split the primaries that Johnson does not win in. Kennedy takes Indiana and McCarthy takes Wisconsin and there are others. It all comes down to California, it looks pretty safe to say that McCarthy will not be the democratic nominee for President. Kennedy will have a real shot at going up against an incumbent President at the convention if he wins the California primary, however if Johnson wins the California primary, then he has the nomination all locked up. On election night in California, it is very close, but Johnson comes out on top by about 50, 000 votes out of 2, 000, 000 cast for the candidates. Kennedy relucantly and un-enthusiastically endorses Johnson as does McCarthy. Johnson thanks his supporters. Johnson wins unamiously on the first ballot at the democratic convention after Kennedy adn McCarthy dropped out and released their delegates. Johnson keeps Humphrey as his running mate. Teh portesters at the democratic convention are just as bad as they were in real life.

On the republican side, Vice President Richard Nixon wins quite a few primaries in the primary season but still does not have the nomination locked up when he arrives at the convention. Nelson Rockefeller and Ronald Reagan announce that they are candidates for the republican nomination at the convention. Reagan and Rockefeller both come out stronger than expected on the first ballot and they cause Nixon to fall short of the number of delegates needed to win the nomination on the first ballot. The convention goes to a second ballot and after having support in the South and the West with, Rockefeller and Nixon splitting the rest of the country, and Nixon taking some of the West, Reagan wins on the second ballot. Reagan accepts the nomination of the republican convention. He selects his old friend and governor of Nevada Paul Laxalt as his running mate. Nixon and Rockefeller endorse Reagan.

George Wallace decides to run as an independent and he selects Curtis LeMay as his running mate.

Throughout the fall, Johnson campaigns and his campaign is not a very enthusiastic campaign. His polls show that he is doing a little better than expected because the country may not be ready for such a conservative man running the country. There are no telivised debates and Reagan does well on the campaign trail as well. Wallace sticks to the South.


On election night, Johnson performs better than expected...



Johnson/Humphrey: 257 electoral votes
Reagan/Laxalt: 254 electoral votes
Wallace/LeMay: 27 electoral votes

The election goes to the house and Johnson wins there.


Discuss. Post your own maps if you wish.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Lyndon Johnson/John Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller-1960 on: June 16, 2008, 08:24:34 pm
John Kennedy decides to seek the vice presidency again in 1960 instead of the presidency. Incumbent Speaker of the House, Lyndon Johnson wins the democratic nomination on the first ballot at the DNC. He selects John Kennedy as his running mate.

On the republican side, Vice President Richard Nixon wins the Republican Nomination as he did in real life. Nixon convinces Rockefeller to join his ticket.

Both parties are fully united behind their candidates.

Discuss with maps.
4  General Discussion / History / Wallace instead of Truman on: June 12, 2008, 07:01:38 pm
In 1944, had Roosevelt kept Wallace as his running mate instead of dropping him and picking Truman, how do you think Roosevelt would do? Woould it hurt him so badly that he looses, what would happen?

See my thread in post election section of this forum for a Roosevelt/Wallace in 1944 scenario.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Roosevelt/Wallace vs. Dewey/Bricker vs. Russell/Wright-1944 on: June 12, 2008, 04:35:16 pm
It is 1944.

Every event non campaign related happened the same way that it did in real life.

President Roosevelt wins the nomination overwelmingly on the first ballot at the DNC. The vice presidential nomination is where the drama comes in. Harry Truman is a candidate for the democratic vice presidential nomination for that year. The incumbent Henry Wallace is also a candidate for the renomination as vice president and many other minor candidates. On the first ballot for the vice presidential nomination, there is no winner, but it is very close with a narrow Wallace lead. On the second ballot, Henry Wallace is renominated very narrowly as the vice presidential nominee. The democratic party is left split after the Wallace renomination. Many southerners and southern delegates alike are not pleased with the Wallace renomination. They are so unpleased, that they march out of the convention. They form there own party and hold  their own convention in Birmingham, Alabama. Richard Russel is nominated unamiously on the first ballot. He selects Fielding Wright as his running mate and Wright is nominated without any challenge.

On the republican side, nothing changes from what happened in real life.


Discuss with maps.


6  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / California on: June 11, 2008, 06:16:57 pm
could we auctually have a chance at this state this year. with the latino vote having favored Clinton and a good part of them not feeling very comfortable with Obama and willing to support McCain. How close could this state be?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Giuliani vs. Clinton vs. Bloomberg-2008 on: June 11, 2008, 11:08:40 am
Lets say that the momentum that Giuliani and Clinton had before the primaries began lasts and Clinton and Giuliani clinch the nominations by the end of Super Tuesday.

Clinton is supported by all of the democrats who had been challenging her for the democratic nomination.

Giuliani is supported by all of the republicans who had been challenging him except for Ron Paul.

At the democratic convention, Hillary Clinton is nominated unamiously on the first ballot and she selects goverenor of Indiana, Evan Bayh, as her running mate. The party is fully united behind the ticket.

Mike Bloomberg announces his candidacy for the presidency as an independent. He selects Chuck Hagel as his running mate.

At the republican convention, Rudy Giuliani is nominated unamiously on the first ballot and he selects South Carolina Goverenor Mark Sanford as his running mate. The party is fully united behind the ticket.

Discuss.

The tickets are:

Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh
vs.
Rudy Giuliani/Mark Sanford
vs.
Mike Bloomberg/Chuck Hagel

(I know that the Bloomberg running mate is a little far fetched, but go with it.)


8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Nixon/Scott vs. Kennedy/Johnson-1960 on: June 10, 2008, 06:00:48 pm
I assume you are talking about Pennsylvanian Senator Hugh Scott? I have to agree with Ben, Scott wouldn't bring in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware to Nixon in 1960. Scott, as we know was only elected into the US Senate in 1958 and only narrowly defeated George Leader for the Senate seat by 3 percentage points and he's not the Johnson type that would have that effect in Pennsylvania herself nor her surrounding area.
Yes I am talking about that senator.

I got this idea from a book. It was "Richard M. Nixon" by Conrad Black. When it talks about Nixon choosing a running mate in 1960, it minchens Scott as a choice, saying that he probably could have swung his homestate.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Nixon/Scott vs. Kennedy/Johnson-1960 on: June 10, 2008, 04:45:28 pm


Kennedy/Johnson: 247 electoral votes
Nixon/Scott: 271 electoral votes
269 needed to win

Scott helps swing the lower new england area to Nixon. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware were already very close. With a person on the ticket from there area, they all narrowly go to Nixon and this sends Nixon to the White House.

A VP would not swing 3 states, unless they were decided by <100 votes each; even then, it is unlikely.


Kennedy/Johnson: 247 electoral votes
Nixon/Scott: 271 electoral votes
269 needed to win

Scott helps swing the lower new england area to Nixon. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware were already very close. With a person on the ticket from there area, they all narrowly go to Nixon and this sends Nixon to the White House.

A VP would not swing 3 states, unless they were decided by <100 votes each; even then, it is unlikely.
how did Johnson swing most of the south to kennedy in 1960? how did Muskie keep a good amount of the new england area to Humphrey?
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Nixon/Scott vs. Kennedy/Johnson-1960 on: June 10, 2008, 04:09:05 pm


Kennedy/Johnson: 247 electoral votes
Nixon/Scott: 271 electoral votes
269 needed to win

Scott helps swing the lower new england area to Nixon. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware were already very close. With a person on the ticket from there area, they all narrowly go to Nixon and this sends Nixon to the White House.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Nixon/Scott vs. Kennedy/Johnson-1960 on: June 10, 2008, 03:31:19 pm
Richard Nixon/Hugh Scott
vs.
John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Strongest modern ticket on: June 10, 2008, 03:24:53 pm
democrat:Kennedy/Johnson
republican: Reagan/Bush or Dewey/Warren
13  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: pennsylvania or new hampshire? on: June 10, 2008, 03:23:57 pm
very difficult. I refuse to call it either way.
14  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Which of these western states will Obama do the best in? on: June 10, 2008, 09:16:43 am
New Mexico.
15  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Which of these Southern states will Obama do the best in? on: June 09, 2008, 11:51:16 am
South Carolina.
16  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Ultimate Prediction Thread on: June 08, 2008, 10:00:07 pm


McCain/Romney: 279 electoral votes
Obama/Webb: 259 electoral votes
270 needed to win
17  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Rasmussen: 30% of Voters Could Change Their Mind Between Now and Election Day on: June 08, 2008, 09:20:33 pm
The message I get from these details is that McCain, even though the Republicans have held the White House since January, 2001, and conditions are not condusive to a Republican winning the White House this year, should not be counted out.  
that is right, do not count us out yet.
18  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: would cheney have won the gop nomination? on: June 08, 2008, 06:02:34 pm
yes. the republican party is not about to turn away an incumbent president or vice president from the nomination, that is just the way that we are. Look at Ford in 1976 or Bush in 1992.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / What if-1968 Democratic National Convention on: June 08, 2008, 06:00:03 pm
What if Bobby leaves the ballroom through the way that he was supposed to after the California primary, and he is never shot up until the convention. Bobby and Humphrey have a debate, and it goes to Kennedy's favor.

How does the vote at the convention go? Can kennedy pull it out against humphrey?
20  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: will obama crack 90% in dc on: June 08, 2008, 04:16:19 pm
yes.
21  General Discussion / History / Re: Which President's reputation has changed the most? on: June 08, 2008, 04:15:02 pm
LBJ

As the vietnam war and the problems in the 1960's have faded in the people's memories, Johnson has been seen as a better and more efective President that he truly was.
22  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / The Memoirs of Richard Nixon Volume 1 (Warner Books Edition) on: June 08, 2008, 10:54:20 am
I love this book. It gives real detail about the elections that he ran in.

What do you all think of this book? What are some of your favorite sections? What did you learn that you did not know before?
23  General Discussion / History / Presidential Comparison 5 on: June 07, 2008, 03:44:58 pm
I do not care for Nixon. I do not think that either of these people were very good. But, because of his foreign relations, I say Nixon.

What about you? Who do you think as a better President of these two and whY?
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Other 2008 on: June 07, 2008, 03:05:07 pm
The 22nd ammendment is changed in early 2006, with a GOP congress,  after approval by the two thirds of the  state houses of representatives. The surge is approved by congress early in May of 2006 and the war begins to improve. With less casulaties and improvement in relations. Though the economy is still not very good. Come November, the republicans maintain controll of congress by the thinnest of margins. With George Allen, and Jim Talent winning reelection in their senate seats.

The surge continues to show improvements on the war front throughout 2007. The economy is leaning towards a recession but is not there yet.

Though Bill Clinton could run for reelection in 2008 due to the changing of the 22nd ammendment, he chooses not to run again. He endorses his wife for President. Hillary Clinton announces her candidacy late in 2008. Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Dennis Kucinich join her in announcing their candidacy for the democratic nomination.

On the republican side, incumbent President George W. Bush announces that despite the bad economy, he will be a candidate for reelection. However, after a heart attack in late November of 2007, Vice President Dick Cheney announces that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2008. George W. Bush is left with a choice of a running mate. Bush is not challenged for renomination, though many  republicans thought of doing so. Bush goes to the convention in Minnesota. He is renominated unamiously on the first ballot at the GOP convention. Bush thanks the vice president for his service to the country and Bush selects former Massachussetts Goverenor Mitt Romney as his running mate. Romney brings economic strength to the ticket. The party is fully united behind the Bush/Romney ticket. Just as a side note, Dick Cheney announces that he will remain vice president until his term is out.

On the democratic side, Dennis Kucinich drops out of the race shortly after the Iowa and New Hampshire contests. Joe Biden also calls it quits. The race goes about the same way that it did except for the fact that John Edwards stays on through Super Tuesday. He wins the Oklahoma contest. The primaries after Super Tuesday are split between Clinton and Obama. However, on June 3rd, Obama comes out on top. Clinton does not conceed that night. But, that Saturday she does conceed. At the democratic convention, Barack Obama is nominated unamiously on the first ballot at the DNC. Obama selects Bill Richardson as his running mate. The democratic party is fully united behind the ticket.

At this time, the surge is continuing to show improvement in the war and the economy is weak.


Discuss. Use maps, if you wish.

Just as a reminder, the tickets are:

Barack Obama/Bill Richardson
vs.
George W. Bush/Mitt Romney


25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / different 1968 on: June 06, 2008, 03:10:46 pm
Bobby Kennedy wins the California primary and he leaves through the kitchen pantry. He is shot but, only in the hip, a bunch of other shots ring out and many of them miss the senator. Kennedy is admitted to the hospital, but survives the attempted assassaination.

Kennedy has a debate with Hubert Humphrey before the convention and he uses the Kennedy charm in the debate. Kennedy pulls out a squeaker of a victory on the first ballot at the DNC mostly thanks to party leaders. Kennedy accepts an anti war platform. Humphrey endorses Kennedy for President, as does McCarthy. Kennedy selects Daniel Moore of North Carolina as his running mate. The party is united behind Kennedy.

On the republican side, Nixon pulls a small victory on the first ballot at the RNC in Florida. Nixon selects asks his former rival, Nelson Rockefeller to be his running mate. To the surprise of the Nixon aides and Nixon himself, Rockefeller accepts the position. The party is united behind this ticket.

George Wallace decides not to seek the presidency and he endorses Kennedy.

The tickets are:

Robert Kennedy/Daniel Moore
vs.
Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller


Discuss. Use maps, if you wish.
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