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1  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 29, 2014, 11:56:32 am
Election Result Between Former Georgia Senator; Vietnam Veteran Max Cleland & Garrison Porter
Max Cleland/Lyndon Johnson versus Garrison Porter/Richard Nixon
Final Opinion Poll
Max Cleland 43%
Garrison Porter 51%
Undecided 6%
Max Cleland vs Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
20% Of Country Reporting
Cleland: 40        Porter: 64        270 to win
50% Of Country Reporting
Cleland: 63        Porter: 212        270 to win
80% Of Country Reporting
Cleland: 98        Porter: 336        270 to win
Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
88% Of Country Reporting
Cleland: 98        Porter: 356        270 to win
100% Of Country Reporting
Cleland: 98        Porter: 440        270 to win
National Popular Vote
Max Cleland 45.32% (78852000)
Garrison Porter 54.68% (95104000)
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: the birth of modern america & onward on: July 29, 2014, 10:52:57 am
Senator Stephen A. Douglas (D-IL)/Former Secretary Of War William Marcy (D-NY) versus Former Senator Daniel Webster (W-MA)/General Winfield Scott (W-NJ) final opinion poll election 1852:
President Frelinghuysen after seriously considering running for a 3rd consecutive term as President and even beyond possibly shooting for a 4th and 5th ultimately declines to run again and announces his retirement from politics. To replace him stands two headline making candidates. Senator Stephen Douglas from Illinois secures the Democrat nomination for President and Daniel Webster the Whig nomination. Daniel Webster a renound United States Senator historically poised to win the presidency and carry the Whig party to a third consecutive term in the White House.
Douglas: 47
Webster: 179
Undecided: 62
145 to win
Opinion Poll With Undecided
Stephen Douglas 16%
Daniel Webster 62%
Undecided 21%
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: the birth of modern america & onward on: July 28, 2014, 08:26:03 pm
President Frelinghuysen has won reelection because he carries Indiana and Pennsylvania and New Jersey and New York.

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Indiana 12 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Pennsylvania 26 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
New Jersey 7 electoral votes
Oldman: 13        Frelinghuysen: 149        Hale: 0        169 to win
Theodore Frelinghuysen
New York 36 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
President of the United States of America
President Frelinghuysen Reelected To 2nd Full Term As PresidentThe now reelected President Frelinghuysen carries Illinois and Wisconsin. Senator Hale is the winner in Massachusetts and John Quitman carries New Hampshire and Texas and Alabama and very narrowly Mississippi.

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Illinois 9 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Wisconsin 4 electoral votes

John Hale
Massachusetts 12 electoral votes

John Quitman
New Hampshire 6 electoral votes

John Quitman
Texas 4 electoral votes

John Quitman
Alabama 9 electoral votes

John Quitman
Mississippi 6 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen is the winner in both Michigan and Maryland. He is also the winner in Delaware and Rhode Island. Senator Quitman will have more votes at the end of the night than the other two candidates running for President in Florida.

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Michigan 5 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Maryland 8 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Delaware 3 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Rhode Island 4 electoral votes

The President of the United States who wins his second term tonight takes with him into the victory column for the Whig party Louisiana and Iowa. Thank you readers. Election 1848 coverage closing out.

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Louisiana 6 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Iowa 4 electoral votes



Theodore Frelinghuysen
President of the United States of America
Quitman: 41        Frelinghuysen: 228        Hale: 12        169 to win


election '48 coverage & results
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: video of 1992 Clinton veep speculation on The McLaughlin Group on: July 28, 2014, 07:55:43 pm
The claimed "short list" didn't include Al Gore!
I notice that a sign of a winning campaign is when the media does not know who the running mate is before the announcement. I remember the media knowing for certain Paul Ryan to be the pick in 2012. But it is important and pretty fascinating to me that the McLaughlin group for example seems to have no idea. I believe by the way Bush/Quayle wins over Clinton/Babbit. Senator Wafford makes for a good choice.
5  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 28, 2014, 03:57:06 pm
Election Result Between Former President John F Kennedy & Garrison Porter
John Kennedy/Bill Richardson versus Garrison Porter/Debra Messing
Final Opinion Poll
John Kennedy 47%
Garrison Porter 49%
Undecided 4%

20% Of Country Reporting
Kennedy: 11        Porter: 93        270 to win
50% Of Country Reporting

Kennedy: 82        Porter: 193        270 to win
80% Of Country Reporting
Kennedy: 131        Porter: 303        270 to win
Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
90% Of Country Reporting
Kennedy: 134        Porter: 320        270 to win
98% Of Country Reporting
Kennedy: 207        Porter: 328        270 to win
100% Of Country Reporting
Kennedy: 207        Porter: 331        270 to win
National Popular Vote
John Kennedy(MA)/Bill Richardson(NM) 48.78% (87962000)
Garrison Porter(TN)/Debra Messing(NY) 51.22% (92346000)
6  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 27, 2014, 09:46:31 pm
Election Result Between Virginia Senior United States Senator Mark Warner & Garrison Porter
Mark Warner/Jimmy Carter versus Garrison Porter/Lisa Madigan
Final Opinion Poll
Mark Warner 48%
Garrison Porter 46%
Undecided 6%

20% Of Country Reporting
Warner: 23        Porter: 81        270 to win
50% Of Country Reporting (West Virginia comes out of Republican column & into Democrat column)
Warner: 124        Porter: 151        270 to win
Mark Warner vs Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
80% Of Country Reporting (With 80% Of Country Reporting no President of the United States)
Warner: 200        Porter: 234        270 to win
90% Of Country Reporting (Five other states pick sides & Warner electoral total does not change. Mark Warner still has 200 electoral college votes; Garrison Porter 9 away from winning election)
Warner: 200        Porter: 261        270 to win
98% Of Country Reporting (Garrison Porter wins presidential election; Minnesota considered key & Florida and Washington state very close in terms of vote count totals statewide)
Warner: 255        Porter: 280        270 to win
Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
100% Of Country Reporting
Warner: 255        Porter: 283        270 to win
National Popular Vote
Mark Warner(VA)/Jimmy Carter(GA) 51.68% (90486000)
Garrison Porter(TN)/Lisa Madigan(IL) 48.32% (84587000)
7  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 27, 2014, 04:51:37 pm
Not that I care very much if you do or do not post on here. As you may or may not know the political machine provides some computer made candidates and their profiles; others are to be created. They are built on their charisma and minority appeal and fundraising ability and money and stamina etc. If you want to again couldn't care less if you do not but if you do and know about how the candidates are created on the game put someone like Franklin Roosevelt or Harry Truman etc and list their profile of how much charisma and so on etc.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: the birth of modern america & onward on: July 27, 2014, 02:14:13 pm
Senator Quitman is the winner in Georgia. President Frelinghuysen when the votes are counted carries three states that are Kentucky and Virginia and Vermont.

John Quitman
Georgia 10 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Kentucky 12 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Virginia 17 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Vermont 6 electoral votes
Quitman: 10        Frelinghuysen: 35        Hale: 0        169 to win
President Frelinghuysen With The Early Lead In His Bid For ReelectionTheodore Frelinghuysen is the winner in North Carolina and Ohio. John Quitman is the winner in Arkansas and President Frelinghuysen candidate for reelection is the winner in Connecticut and Maine and Missouri and Tennessee.

Theodore Frelinghuysen
North Carolina 11 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Ohio 23 electoral votes

John Quitman
Arkansas 3 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Connecticut 6 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Maine 9 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Missouri 7 electoral votes

Theodore Frelinghuysen
Tennessee 13 electoral votes

Election 1848 coverage; more of it after this



Quitman: 13        Frelinghuysen: 104        Hale: 0        169 to win

election '48 coverage
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Senator Clinton versus President Bush '04 Timeline & Onward on: July 27, 2014, 01:56:43 pm
Nope. Bayh loses in an upset thank you very much

j/k I was being a total goof.
At least you admitted to it
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1936: FDR vs. Landon vs. Huey Long on: July 27, 2014, 01:53:42 pm
Just off the top of my head the goal of Huey Long may well be to see Al Landon carry New York.
11  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 27, 2014, 01:31:20 pm
Round Two Between Elizabeth Warren & Garrison Porter
Elizabeth Warren/Al Gore versus Garrison Porter/Saxby Chambliss
Final Opinion Poll
Elizabeth Warren 47%
Garrison Porter 48%
Undecided 5%

38% Of Country Reporting
Warren: 216        Porter: 40        270 to win
68% Of Country Reporting
Warren: 216        Porter: 175        270 to win
Elizabeth Warren vs Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
72% Of Country Reporting
Warren: 216        Porter: 197        270 to win
90% Of Country Reporting
Warren: 216        Porter: 293        270 to win
Garrison Porter
President of the United States of America
100% Of Country Reporting
Warren: 234        Porter: 304        270 to win
National Popular Vote
Elizabeth Warren(MA)/Al Gore(TN) 49.5% (88638000)
Garrison Porter(TN)/Saxby Chambliss(GA) 50.5% (90336000)
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Senator Clinton versus President Bush '04 Timeline & Onward on: July 24, 2014, 11:04:36 am
Senator Hillary Clinton/Governor Ed Rendell versus President George W Bush/Vice President Dick Cheney Election timeline begins when it begins.

There are some projections to be made at the early hour of 7 o'clock EST. President Bush is the winner in Indiana and South Carolina. Hillary Clinton the former first lady and junior senator from New York State carries Vermont. Virginia and Kentucky and Georgia are too close to call at this hour. Does not mean that any of those three states will go either way the returns are just too close between the Republican President and Democrat Senator in those three states. The President could well sweep all three and Hillary Clinton may well carry all three of them.

George W Bush
Indiana 11 electoral votes

George W Bush
South Carolina 8 electoral votes

Democrat vs Republican
House Control

Democrat vs Republican
Senate Control

Democrat vs Republican
Majority Of Governorships

Hillary Clinton
Vermont 3 electoral votes

Hillary Clinton vs George W Bush
President of the United States

Some returns from the governorships will be reviewed after polls close in four other states at 7:30 EST. Going now to the balance of power in congress.

The balance of power in congress. 7 o'clock EST.


Evan Bayh
Indiana Senator

Johnny Isackson
Georgia Senator

Mister Bayh is the winner in Indiana and Isackson in Georgia. Both respected individuals holding seats for their own parties. The widely watched Kentucky Senate election race is too close to call and also the race in South Carolina is undecided and the election in Vermont with Senator Leahy running for reelection is too early to call. Back in a moment.
Bush Takes Small Lead In Early Returns. Vermont Senate Too Early To Call; Isackson Wins Georgia.


election '04 coverage
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Current ticket predictions? on: July 24, 2014, 08:26:15 am
With all that in mind, I'm going to say Romney doesn't run, and the GOP ticket shakes out at Walker/Cruz.
Then if the affordable care act nearly won the 2013 Virginia Governor election Ted Cruz has some assets to bring to the Republican ticket in 2016.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Would a runoff increase or reduce Michelle Nunn's chances? on: July 23, 2014, 09:57:17 am
What would be the argument that it could increase her chances? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I cannot think of one. She would have to lead in the general election by ten percent in my opinion to win the runoff.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Which of the following candidates think they'll win the gubernatorial election? on: July 23, 2014, 09:55:09 am
Quinn; if I were writing a timeline on the 2014 elections Rauner wins the governorship at the top of the 8 o'clock hour. Its a 12 point lead in the polls right now. Something Illinois has not seen in a good decade or so.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Would a runoff increase or reduce Michelle Nunn's chances? on: July 23, 2014, 09:54:06 am
Reduce; Perdue wins 54-46 in a runoff
17  Forum Community / Election and History Games / Re: Political Machine Results on: July 22, 2014, 07:25:58 pm
Election coverage of the campaign for President of the United States between Democrat Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Republican Tennessean Garrison Porter. The candidates for Vice President are John Edwards of North Carolina and the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee Natalie Portman representing Ohio on the Republican ticket. The last opinion poll coming into election day is below.
Warren: 102
Porter: 316
Undecided: 120
270 to win
Clearly some strength for Garrison Porter across the heartland and in some key areas of the country. This is an opinion poll and according to it Elizabeth Warren not able to hold her home region of the country that being the New England area and on down into Pennsylvania. John Edwards showing some pull in the Southeast. Missouri a key battle ground state where in previous elections Garrison Porter has done very well. Pulling more than 70 percent in one election. The show me state 'Missouri' appears to be handing a solid lead to Garrison Porter. Still 120 electoral votes deemed undecided in this poll. Elizabeth Warren can close the gap if those undecided states go her way and possibly be the next President if some of the states close to the Mississippi River that are slightly favoring the Republican went her way. Maybe pull a surprise in a place like North Carolina.
7 o'clock on the East Coast sees a lead open up for Garrison Porter. Senator Warren yet to get on the board. Vermont is outstanding and Porter carries Virginia. That state was targeted by the Democrats. It goes Republican.
Warren: 32        Porter: 150        270 to win
8 o'clock sees Garrison Porter open up a lead in the electoral college. If Democrats thought they would win the election by carrying Virginia and North Carolina think again.
Warren: 86        Porter: 240        270 to win
Election coverage moves into the 9 o'clock hour. Now 42 states have closed their polls. No President of the United States. Some of the states Democrats thought they could carry to get back into this race have not happened. Florida decides to go into the Republican column and take its 27 electoral college votes with it. Garrison Porter seems to be on his way to yet again winning the presidency of the united states. Looks at this moment like he will get it again baby this time defeating Elizabeth Warren. In their first meeting in the great battle for the electoral college and with it hearts and souls of the American people. No doubt they are bound to meet again after this. Natalie Portman again proves so it seems if everything holds to be a real talent and asset for the Republican campaign.
Warren: 97        Porter: 281        270 to win
Garrison Porter is the next President of the United States. He did not need Pennsylvania may still get it. It was Michigan and Utah and Arizona along with other states who closed their polls at 10 o'clock on the East Coast now casting their electoral votes for Garrison Porter. With all of that when the votes are counted nationwide Garrison Porter wins this battle for the White House. Taking Natalie Portman in with him as she is elected Vice President. Still 16 states who have not picked a side; polls still open on the West Coast. Garrison Porter the winner tonight nationally the extent of the margin unknown over Elizabeth Warren.
Warren: 105        Porter: 292        270 to win
Warren: 105        Porter: 376        270 to win
1 o'clock on the East Coast. Another few states declare sides. Garrison Porter carries Hawaii while Arkansas cast its 6 electoral votes for Elizabeth Warren.
Warren: 121        Porter 387        270 to win
At 2 o'clock in the morning Oregon goes for Elizabeth Warren after a surge in the state from the Republican Porter/Portman ticket. The state of Oregon only accepts mail in ballots; means there are no polling stations statewide in Oregon. It still produces a close race from time to time. Democrats do pretty well there especially in their talent at holding the state house there.
Warren: 121        Porter: 417        270 to win
An electoral college landslide or so some kind person would say. About the size in the electoral college that George HW Bush won over former Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis in 1988. Garrison Porter tops the electoral college total nationwide that Bill Clinton carried in either 1992 or 1996. Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson all won more electoral votes nationwide than did Garrison Porter here against Elizabeth Warren. Garrison Porter and Natalie Portman the winners over Elizabeth Warren and John Edwards.

Certified Porter/Portman versus Warren/Edwards election result.

Warren(MA)/Edwards(NC): 121
Porter(TN)/Portman(OH): 417
270 to win
National Popular Vote
Warren 46.2% (78311000)
Porter 53.8% (91248000)
Final Opinion Poll
Warren 44%
Porter 51%
Undecided 5%
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Re: 1994 New York Governor on: July 22, 2014, 06:33:01 pm
Pataki also played up negative stereotypes about the City, which probably helped to convince Giuliani to endorse Cuomo. Pataki and Giuliani's rivalry continued for quite some time.
I can imagine the jaws dropping in the Pataki headquarters when Giuliani endorses Cuomo. I have seen video of an interview with Mitilda Cuomo on election night 1994 before the polls in the state closed. It seemed like she really wanted to win and Cuomo thought he and the lieutenant governor would win. Apparantly what happened is the independent candidate underperformed on election day. Golisano only take 4.18 percent of the vote. Roughly 370000 people voted in New York City and Cuomo took just under 300000 of them. In 1990 Cuomo in New York City carried 202306 votes out of about 257000 cast. The minor party candidate in New York City in 1990 carried 12.6% of the vote and in '94 only 1%.

Yes to the rivalry. It may be the reason D'Amato lost in 1998. If the Pataki camp was surprised by the Giuliani move by the way given the stereotypes from Pataki I do not think Pataki should have been surprised when his lieutenant governor walked out on him before the 1998 election promising to run against him in the '98 New York Governor Republican Primary.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Political Lions on: July 22, 2014, 06:23:20 pm
After Iowa and New Hampshire I expect either Kennedy to drop out and endorse Mondale or Mondale drop out and endorse Kennedy.
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: The surprises of the Senate elections... on: July 22, 2014, 04:41:57 pm
For Senate and governor elections...

Dems Overperforming
-Walsh narrowly wins reelection
-Grimes and Paul Davis win by more than 5 points
-Shaheen wins reelection by a larger margin than Brown won against Warren, and Hassan tops 60%

Republicans Overperforming
-Coakley blows another election for the Mass Dems
-Dan Malloy loses reelection
-Wehby and McFadden lose only by single digits

That's actually entirely in the realm of possibility

Of course it is. These are all things that I think have a 40-60% chance of happening but that aren't hugely accepted premises. I think Malloy will lose reelection, but most people do not

Amazing! Something we agree on. Most people think that because they're not from CT and don't know what a horrible job he has done. They just see what he has done on paper and approve, and don't actually see what it has done.
Its possible Jeanne Shaheen will win by a larger or by about the same margin that Hillary Clinton won against Rick Lazio in New York in 2000.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Re: 1994 New York Governor on: July 21, 2014, 10:37:13 am
The debates likely would have benefited Cuomo as he was the more seasoned candidate and a strong public speaker. It's likely Pataki chose to avoid the debates for fear of being defeated by Cuomo. While refusing to appear likely did cost him some support, that was a negligible loss compared to the potential loss of being defeated on television by Cuomo.

As to your question on why Cuomo lost; the biggest issue in the election was crime, which was still a major problem in New York City. Cuomo was a strong opponent of the death penalty, while Pataki was a supporter of it. This helped Pataki greatly. Another major factor was that 1994 was a bad year for Democrats nationally, and Cuomo's three terms as Governor reflected a major national complaint directed at Congressional Democrats: They had been in power too long and were out-of-touch.

Hope that helped!
I find it very arrogant on the part of George Pataki that he thought he could win by carrying the crime issue everywhere in New York except New York city. Seeing that the city is a great base of the Democratic party which I don't mind. Some of the people living in the city no matter their party affaliation are really nice folks and very intelligent and so on. If I were of voting age in 1994 I'm with Rudy Giuliani (he endorsed Cuomo). Politics is politics and thats the great thing about living in a democracy. Democracy is excellent. Anyone can vote and support likewise anyone. Some election campaigns in every election year stand out for good and bad reasons and just reasons in general.

Thank you for your analysis by the way it was excellent.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Post random maps here on: July 20, 2014, 07:18:19 pm
1976 election:
Frank Church/Mo Udall: 242
Gerald Ford/Ronald Reagan: 296
270 to win
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / 1994 New York Governor on: July 20, 2014, 05:55:31 pm
Would a one on one debate between Democrat Mario Cuomo and Republican George Pataki have done anything to change the outcome of the election? There were a few debates all of which Pataki is invited to but does not attend. Cuomo attends all. I'm not sure why because after all it seems to me that those debates only gave more votes to Cuomo and took them away from the leading independent candidate in that election race but did nothing to the Pataki number. I think a one on one debate would have changed the outcome of the election. Either Pataki hits 50%+ or Cuomo wins a 4th term. Why in your opinion did Cuomo in real life loose the election? I don't know what the economy was like in New York in 1994 and Cuomo wins overwhelmingly the other three times that he ran statewide for governor. I think George Pataki said in short 'elect me and Cuomo is out' and he won. I'm interested to hear what people that read this thread think.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: the birth of modern america & onward on: July 20, 2014, 05:23:14 pm
Senator John Quitman (D-MS)/William Worth (D-NY) versus President Theodore Frelinghuysen (W-NJ)/Vice President John Sergeant (W-PA) versus Senator John Hale (I-NH)/Congressman Joshua Giddings (I-OH) Final National Opinion Poll Election 1848
Quitman: 41
Frelinghuysen: 229
Hale: 0
169 to win
Opinion Poll No Undecideds:
John Quitman 35%
Theodore Frelinghuysen 43%
John Hale 19%
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Could the outcome of this election change the national narrative? on: July 18, 2014, 09:34:37 am
Any good books out there on the 1994 New York Governor election and or Texas Governor or Virginia Senate all from 1994?
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