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1  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: Today at 01:51:13 am
Not only is it a weird thing to lie over, it doesn't feel like it's resignation material. Very good chance that this isn't the end of it. Could just be the beginning.

I do understand... when you've spent the last what? 5-7 years running around saying "they're corrupt, we are (and most importantly I am) clean..." The scent, the whiff of something off, was going to kill his brand.
2  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: Today at 12:21:34 am
I suspect this was a genuine mistake on his part, rather than a deliberate lie, however lying under oath is lying under oath, and that's what's brought him down - not that he accepted a bottle of wine. I suspect he won't have the book thrown at him, perhaps a plea bargain, or even if not, a not especially heavy sentence.

I hope it was a genuine mistake too. As you said though, lying under oath is lying under oath.

Again... I'm conflicted. The general view is... how the hell do you forget receiving a bottle of Grange, let alone one that is that rare and valuable AND writing a thank you note, to someone that you're in fairy regular contact with?

That's the part that bothers me... it just makes so little sense. Plus, if he was unsure... why make such a strong and clear denial? 'I'm not 100% sure, please let me check records so I can be accurate in my testimony' - the media wouldn't like it... but it at least would be accurate. The look of horror on his face when the phone record was produced last night ... was special.

So, part of me thinks he either genuinely forgot (which I find odd and little disturbing) or he oversold his denial thinking he could get away with it.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 15, 2014, 10:52:41 pm
Yup, see a doctor.

The first sign I should have seen (although I was 8...) that my father was in serious trouble health-wise, was 3 days before he died, he had serious difficult walking up a steep hill. This was, I assume, flat.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: By-elections of the 44th Australian Parliament (2013-2016) on: April 15, 2014, 09:23:51 pm
Louise Pratt has unleashed on Joe Bullock - thank God "homophobic" "disloyal" and calls on reforms to take away the faction's power to give it to the members and says the leadership of the SDA does not reflect the membership of their own union, let alone the party.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 15, 2014, 09:20:22 pm
How is a 31 year old man so helpless?! Spaghetti is one of the EASIEST things to cook.

That's the thing that parents who treat their children like they're helpless do... they end up creating helpless children.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton (now) open to running for office on: April 15, 2014, 09:14:53 pm
Politics is the only job where people get mad if you want to follow in your parent's footsteps.

If she wants to run, let her run. Unless you live in NYC, you'll probably never even vote for her anyway.
She has a "right" to run. And I have a right to publically state that her mother, father, and all of their inner circle are horrible people who arenít worthy to lick the dogsh*t off of Charlie Mansonís shoe.


Oh, I wasn't aware you knew them... please continue.
Yeah, I know the Clintons quite well. But I'd like to know what your personal relationship with all the guys whom you declared Freedom Fighters and Horrible People in the last few years. How interesting was Abraham Lincoln to talk too? Was Robert Byrd a good fiddler?

What do you think of Dick Cheney for that matter?

I rarely engage in personal politics or refer to people who I don't know as good or bad people. Their policies and agendas? Absolutely.

... grow up.
I'm one of about three thousand posters who should grow up, so your just wasting your time lecturing one on why character suddenly doesn't matter in politics.

Perception isn't reality, but that doesn't mean I am wrong to suspect the Clintons of being horrible people. A good example of somebody who I thought was a scumbag and turned out to be one is John Edwards.

You were the one who made the melodramatic statement, so I'm responding to that.
I think this forum has much more pressing concerns to discuss than your thoughts on my admittedly melodramatic but true statement on the Clintons.

You're correct.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 15, 2014, 09:12:55 pm
If he's charged with perjury... what are potential sentences?

Jail... massive fines. I doubt it will go that far, but the fact is there is a serious failure of the smell-test on this one.

8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton (now) open to running for office on: April 15, 2014, 09:04:35 pm
Politics is the only job where people get mad if you want to follow in your parent's footsteps.

If she wants to run, let her run. Unless you live in NYC, you'll probably never even vote for her anyway.
She has a "right" to run. And I have a right to publically state that her mother, father, and all of their inner circle are horrible people who arenít worthy to lick the dogsh*t off of Charlie Mansonís shoe.


Oh, I wasn't aware you knew them... please continue.
Yeah, I know the Clintons quite well. But I'd like to know what your personal relationship with all the guys whom you declared Freedom Fighters and Horrible People in the last few years. How interesting was Abraham Lincoln to talk too? Was Robert Byrd a good fiddler?

What do you think of Dick Cheney for that matter?

I rarely engage in personal politics or refer to people who I don't know as good or bad people. Their policies and agendas? Absolutely.

... grow up.
I'm one of about three thousand posters who should grow up, so your just wasting your time lecturing one on why character suddenly doesn't matter in politics.

Perception isn't reality, but that doesn't mean I am wrong to suspect the Clintons of being horrible people. A good example of somebody who I thought was a scumbag and turned out to be one is John Edwards.

You were the one who made the melodramatic statement, so I'm responding to that.
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 15, 2014, 09:03:08 pm
Quentin Dempster put it pretty well, "with this and Sinodinos ... they've wiped out 5 years of good will" - they'll suffer some political damage for this, no question. This is despite the efforts of Sky News and PVO to say 'this is about a bottle of wine?! and ICAC is rubbish". The reality is that this is potentially about perjury.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton (now) open to running for office on: April 15, 2014, 08:48:28 pm
Politics is the only job where people get mad if you want to follow in your parent's footsteps.

If she wants to run, let her run. Unless you live in NYC, you'll probably never even vote for her anyway.
She has a "right" to run. And I have a right to publically state that her mother, father, and all of their inner circle are horrible people who arenít worthy to lick the dogsh*t off of Charlie Mansonís shoe.


Oh, I wasn't aware you knew them... please continue.
Yeah, I know the Clintons quite well. But I'd like to know what your personal relationship with all the guys whom you declared Freedom Fighters and Horrible People in the last few years. How interesting was Abraham Lincoln to talk too? Was Robert Byrd a good fiddler?

What do you think of Dick Cheney for that matter?

I rarely engage in personal politics or refer to people who I don't know as good or bad people. Their policies and agendas? Absolutely.

... grow up.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton (now) open to running for office on: April 15, 2014, 08:26:32 pm
Politics is the only job where people get mad if you want to follow in your parent's footsteps.

If she wants to run, let her run. Unless you live in NYC, you'll probably never even vote for her anyway.
She has a "right" to run. And I have a right to publically state that her mother, father, and all of their inner circle are horrible people who arenít worthy to lick the dogsh*t off of Charlie Mansonís shoe.


Oh, I wasn't aware you knew them... please continue.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NC-PPP: Clinton with tiny leads on: April 15, 2014, 08:24:36 pm
It's PPP and it's NC... so yes, I believe this.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 15, 2014, 08:20:51 pm

It's shocking... he's a genuinely good guy.

Basically a dodgy character sent him a $3000 bottle of wine that he said last night he 'had no recollection of'.

Then they found a thank you note hand-written by the Premier... so yeah.


...this means, after Colin Barnett, Katy Gallagher (Chief Minister of the ACT), who's been in office for just under 3 years, is the longest-serving head of Government in Australia. 

Honestly, why lie about these sorts of things? On another note, who's going to be the next Premier? Will be interesting to see if O'Farrell resigns his Parliamentary seat too.

My gut says Mike Baird... but Gladys Berejiklian is another option.

It's less than a year until the election, I'd be surprised if he didn't wait and just not stand.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Aggregate Demand on: April 15, 2014, 08:15:06 pm
We would see exact opposite results if he had a different ideology.

Perhaps, but I would have the same reaction to a pontificating windbag of any stripe.
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 15, 2014, 07:56:20 pm
Wait, Bushie was told he had to do the final project?

Initially, yes, but then it looked like my first job application was going to give me a job, so Russ took that out of my requirements.

Wait.... is it a qualification or not? The convener cannot arbitrarily remove requirements for one person.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I just ordered a shirt with "BRTD" printed on it. on: April 15, 2014, 07:53:38 pm
I'm not surprised.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion on: April 15, 2014, 07:38:22 pm

It's shocking... he's a genuinely good guy.

Basically a dodgy character sent him a $3000 bottle of wine that he said last night he 'had no recollection of'.

Then they found a thank you note hand-written by the Premier... so yeah.


...this means, after Colin Barnett, Katy Gallagher (Chief Minister of the ACT), who's been in office for just under 3 years, is the longest-serving head of Government in Australia. 
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of the Attorney General, Simfan34 on: April 15, 2014, 05:55:52 pm
I for one am glad that Simfan is showing commitment to his new role by withdrawing from this race.

I commend him for this move and congratulations on the role
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: is everybody bi curious? on: April 15, 2014, 07:15:40 am
Ahh Sigmund Freud was wrong on this one I think.

Freud was wrong about a hell of a lot
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: is everybody bi curious? on: April 15, 2014, 02:42:39 am
No.  Sexuality is a sliding scale; which means that yes, there will be people on the far ends of the spectrum.  And it's not a bell curve either with 'most' people falling in the middle.  I'd picture more of something like this completely unscientific graph:



I saw an actual graph years ago... and it seems to suggest that indeed the peaks were at the edges (0 and 1 and 6 and 7)... but it's interesting that the the numbers of 2s and 4s were much higher than 3s and 4s and 5s were more prevalent than 2s.

So, it suggests that people are mostly straight, but a mix of various kinds of 'queer' along the scale but with 3s (absolute equal bi) being the smallest representation.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Women's panties... on: April 14, 2014, 11:00:56 pm
We've missed you.
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 14, 2014, 10:58:26 pm
Recruiters are the greatest bullsh**tters on earth....whether for the service,a job, a school, etc!

Yup - they're usually FoS.

Considering Bushie instantly ended a 'relationship' because he misinterpreted a joke ... dear God I wonder what he'd be like in a real interview scenario. I've been on an interview panel filled by a recruiter and almost every single one of the applicants was totally unsuitable and before I knew better, I've used recruiters and been put up for jobs that I was wrong for...

It's all about the commission.

23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Forum turnout poll: Will you/Would you vote in the EP elections next month ? on: April 14, 2014, 09:36:24 pm
I believe voting is a civic responsibility and would do it... no idea who for ...
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 14, 2014, 09:05:24 pm

Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For it is by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves.  Not of works, lest any man should boast."

That's plain and clear.  Just as I cannot work my way into heaven, I cannot lose my salvation.  Once saved, always saved, and that is a FACT!

James 2:24 -  "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."

Can you please stop using 'fact' when talking about your absolutist interpretation of the Bible?

Can you quit questioning my faith or implying it's superficial?

As you have the right to use your faith, I have the right to challenge the clear impacts of your 'particular' brand of interpretation.

If your faith is strong, what I say or think shouldn't matter a jot.

In fact, one of the biggest flaws with an absolutist, non-intellectual interpretation of the Bible is that any challenge or other interpretation is rejected as an attack.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XIV: The new chapter on: April 14, 2014, 08:48:58 pm

Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For it is by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves.  Not of works, lest any man should boast."

That's plain and clear.  Just as I cannot work my way into heaven, I cannot lose my salvation.  Once saved, always saved, and that is a FACT!

James 2:24 -  "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."

Can you please stop using 'fact' when talking about your absolutist interpretation of the Bible?
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