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8251  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Official NH Primary Results Thread on: January 10, 2012, 08:40:43 pm
BTW... how does Romney do all of that AND boost the size and scope of the military?
8252  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Official NH Primary Results Thread on: January 10, 2012, 08:38:02 pm
What a ridiculous speech... there's absolutely NOTHING substantive about it.

With all of this stuff Obama's done and he's going to be able to fix, they should love the government involvement in the economy.

8253  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: The Official Obama Approval Ratings Thread on: January 10, 2012, 06:43:19 pm
Yeah... a 7% swing in a day shows a really reliable polling system, lol
8254  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Hillary switches with biden and she becomes VP on: January 10, 2012, 02:18:33 am
Sign of unnecessary desperation, will not happen.

Only circumstance is that Biden dies or becomes incapacitated.
8255  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Jon Huntsman keeps on cussing on: January 09, 2012, 11:48:39 pm
I'm sorry... 'damn' is considered cussing I'm fu.... doomed.
8256  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Palin endorses Gingrich on: January 09, 2012, 11:14:50 pm
Well she's using the massive power of 'The Todd' - before she figures out what to do.
8257  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney vs Obama the election matching up the two most towering intellects? on: January 09, 2012, 11:10:40 pm
Will Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama be the Presidential election that matches up the two most towering intellects in the history of U.S. Presidential elections?

If no, please name which Presidential election was.

Please vote and discuss if you wish.

No.... Kennedy/Nixon... among all the others noted.

Obama is smart, I'm sure Romney is too...
8258  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: First political event you remember on: January 09, 2012, 11:05:22 pm
Not sure... I remember the 1990 Australian election pretty clearly, then the 1991 Keating toppling of Hawke... as for US political events... 1992 election.
8259  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you enjoy cooking from scratch? on: January 09, 2012, 10:55:39 pm
An example of my 'creative use of convenience ingredients'.

I have a chicken salad I'm known for.

You start with a trimmed chicken breast (roughly 1/2 a breast per person) - marinate the breast in maple syrup (not much), 1 teaspoon of crushed garlic, 1 table spoon of tomato relish and some olive oil.

Cook the breast on a frypan for about 6 mins per side... pre-heat the oven to 150C (fan-forced) - wrap the breast in cooking paper, place it on a tray and cook for a further 15-20mins depending on size.

Get big bag of pre-washed salad leaves
two tomatoes
one medium-sized lebanese cucumber
one avocado...

DRESSING
- any pre-made caesar salad dressing, a squirt of maple, a squeeze of lemon juice, a teaspoon of dijon mustard and a dribble of olive oil and (trust me) some cranberry jam-type-stuff... store at room-temp...

Combine salad leaves and chopped fruit - then get the chicken out and slice into decent-sized chunks... then put the dressing into the M/W for 5-10 seconds - drizzle, then toss and serve Smiley
8260  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail on: January 09, 2012, 10:09:37 pm
Politico, you overstate the connection between genetic fitness and parental assessment of a gay child.  Trying to impute psychological behavior from some sort of scientist's-eye view of reproducibility is a significant error in your argument.  Fitness is merely a selective mechanism - if you were saying that people who a militantly anti-gay were more likely to produce offspring, and that was borne out by facts, and therefore gay-haters are selected for, you'd have a point.  But this "straights hate gays because of genetics" thing is pretty retarded on its face.  Put bluntly, people do not, in fact, think with their d**ks (DNA delivery systems).

Look, if you or anybody on here really needs concrete proof about what I am talking about then go do a simple study where you interview parents of newborns in hospitals. Ask the parents one question with a promise of complete confidentiality/anonymity (and some sort of incentive for taking the time to participate in the study, of course): "Do you hope your newborn is homosexual?"

Personally, I think such a study would be a complete waste of time because I guarantee you will not get a single person answering in the affirmative.

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That all said, there are a hell of a lot of gays.  Either they're not exactly selected against, or the genetics thing just doesn't have all that much to do with any of it.

Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms. Who the heck has any idea what the cause of homosexuality is?

OK... this is just bad from a statistical position...

There is a BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE difference between wanting your child to be gay and dealing with the fact that they are.

Did you miss my other posts?

No, but I think you've missed the overarching and fundamental differences.

You're saying that parents will never really accept their children's homosexuality... what I, and most others are saying is that a) that's utter rubbish and b) walking around asking parents if they 'hope' their child is gay, has nothing to do with acceptance.
8261  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail on: January 09, 2012, 09:50:26 pm
Politico, you overstate the connection between genetic fitness and parental assessment of a gay child.  Trying to impute psychological behavior from some sort of scientist's-eye view of reproducibility is a significant error in your argument.  Fitness is merely a selective mechanism - if you were saying that people who a militantly anti-gay were more likely to produce offspring, and that was borne out by facts, and therefore gay-haters are selected for, you'd have a point.  But this "straights hate gays because of genetics" thing is pretty retarded on its face.  Put bluntly, people do not, in fact, think with their d**ks (DNA delivery systems).

Look, if you or anybody on here really needs concrete proof about what I am talking about then go do a simple study where you interview parents of newborns in hospitals. Ask the parents one question with a promise of complete confidentiality/anonymity (and some sort of incentive for taking the time to participate in the study, of course): "Do you hope your newborn is homosexual?"

Personally, I think such a study would be a complete waste of time because I guarantee you will not get a single person answering in the affirmative.

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That all said, there are a hell of a lot of gays.  Either they're not exactly selected against, or the genetics thing just doesn't have all that much to do with any of it.

Yeah, that's a whole other can of worms. Who the heck has any idea what the cause of homosexuality is?

OK... this is just bad from a statistical position...

There is a BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE difference between wanting your child to be gay and dealing with the fact that they are.
8262  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Millionaire Mitt: "I know what it's like to fear being fired." on: January 09, 2012, 09:44:03 pm
Is this any difference that "I feel your pain?"  Seriously?

Actually, yes it is, because it's multi-millionaire Mitt Romney saying it. It's probably not fair, but thems the breaks : politico:
8263  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail on: January 09, 2012, 09:38:29 pm
Politico made it clear the prejudice he is describing is not his own view and he does have a point... most people my age and even my kids age especially her ein the South are very disturbed by homosexuality. Pointing out a prejudice does not make someone themselves prejudiced

You're in your late sixties, right? May I ask how old your kids are?

I think it's fair to be talking more about people your grandkids' age (if you have any), since they're the people who are undergoing the most shift and ending up with something like 70-75% acceptance of homosexuality and support for gay marriage.

I'm not as familiar with the South as you (obviously, since you live there), but I do have some familiarity with the greater Birmingham, Alabama area and from what I've seen the worst most people in their teens and twenties get these days is somewhat squeamish, and there are actually some settings--not many yet, to be sure, but some, and relatively easy to find if one tries--in the rural South, places like that one R+25 Congressional district or whatever the number is, where it's possible to be openly gay, which nobody would have expected even ten years ago.

Kids are all in 30s

I do not know anyone who would discriminate against a gay person... they are just disturbed or as you said "squeamish" Even 20 years ago, one of my project managers was gay- and this is in construction. He was a great man and great employee who sadly died  not long ago.  No one had a problem with him- he commanded respect of those he supervised. But there wer ejokes behind his back

There is a difference between someone finding homosexuality abnormal and someone who discriminates against homosexuals... the latter is unacceptable and the former is pretty common, that is what Politico was saying

Thanks, Clarence.

I would add that I, too, know some pretty homophobic people, but I still do not think they would ever discriminate against a homosexual (i.e., not hire/serve them or fire them simply because they are homosexual). This is why it particularly irks me when gay rights activists compare what gays go through with segregation. It is over-the-top and, really, a bit disrespectful. I can see why there is serious backlash among African-Americans.

You realise that's not why there's tensions between the LGBT community and the African American community, politically don't you?

As usual, Poli, you've taken a point about the existence of homophobic people... which is fact, some people will never deal with the idea, and given the number of wonderful homosexual people I know, that's their loss, but then extended it to an absurd degree. Just because there are homophobic people doesn't mean that efforts to reduce that (which have most certainly worked) should be stopped.

There has been a radical shift in the treatment and acceptance of homosexuality and homosexuals, it's beyond self-evident... and because there remains homophobia (albeit at reducing levels) that somehow negates that?


There has always been adequate treatment and acceptance of most homosexuals, albeit not ones who talk about their proclivities. That is beyond self-evident. There is NOT acceptance of homosexuality nor will there ever be. Homosexuals deep down inside recognize this, and it is the root of their continued dissatisfaction with the way things are. Ultimately, they will never really be satisfied because homosexuality will never been accepted in the mainstream the way that one prefers Pepsi over Coke. It will always been seen by heterosexuals as "abnormal", for lack of a better word, in the sense that it is an unfavorable characteristic from a biological standpoint.

I could restart this... but it's not worth your time or mine...
8264  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I have a HUGE opportunity (Attention Whoring) on: January 09, 2012, 09:35:28 pm
After stepping on the scale this morning, I am pleased to report that I have now lost 17 1/2 pounds at a weight of 267.6, my best showing, yet! I felt pretty good yesterday, even though I thought I had pigged out and blown it, by having an entire large pizza from Little Caesars last night.  Even with the pizza, I still lost 2.4 pounds from yesterday morning.  I'm just imagining what it could have been had I not had that pizza.  I will probably eat a lot lighter today since I won't be home until 8:00 at the earliest and by then it will be too late for a big meal.  In fact, after I eat lunch this morning at 10:45, I may not eat again until tomorrow morning at my 9:30 lunch break.

I am growing confident in my weight loss adventure, now realizing that I can lose weight, especially after keeping this going for 8 full weeks.

The fact that you're getting the weight off is great... but STOP WEIGHING YOURSELF EVERY DAY!!!
8265  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney - The video clips he doesnt want anybody to see. SHOCKING!!! on: January 09, 2012, 09:31:45 pm
There is NOTHING that should convince anyone that Romney would be able to do anything, any differently than Obama... nothing.

So Obama supporters can safely stay home on Election Day, which is precisely what we want.

Yes, that was badly phrased.

Basically you're treating Romney like a political messiah... which he's not. That's pretty much my point.
8266  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Millionaire Mitt: "I know what it's like to fear being fired." on: January 09, 2012, 09:27:51 pm
Boys, boys.... let's just agree they're both awful in their own ways Tongue
8267  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail on: January 09, 2012, 09:27:21 pm
Politico made it clear the prejudice he is describing is not his own view and he does have a point... most people my age and even my kids age especially her ein the South are very disturbed by homosexuality. Pointing out a prejudice does not make someone themselves prejudiced

You're in your late sixties, right? May I ask how old your kids are?

I think it's fair to be talking more about people your grandkids' age (if you have any), since they're the people who are undergoing the most shift and ending up with something like 70-75% acceptance of homosexuality and support for gay marriage.

I'm not as familiar with the South as you (obviously, since you live there), but I do have some familiarity with the greater Birmingham, Alabama area and from what I've seen the worst most people in their teens and twenties get these days is somewhat squeamish, and there are actually some settings--not many yet, to be sure, but some, and relatively easy to find if one tries--in the rural South, places like that one R+25 Congressional district or whatever the number is, where it's possible to be openly gay, which nobody would have expected even ten years ago.

Kids are all in 30s

I do not know anyone who would discriminate against a gay person... they are just disturbed or as you said "squeamish" Even 20 years ago, one of my project managers was gay- and this is in construction. He was a great man and great employee who sadly died  not long ago.  No one had a problem with him- he commanded respect of those he supervised. But there wer ejokes behind his back

There is a difference between someone finding homosexuality abnormal and someone who discriminates against homosexuals... the latter is unacceptable and the former is pretty common, that is what Politico was saying

Thanks, Clarence.

I would add that I, too, know some pretty homophobic people, but I still do not think they would ever discriminate against a homosexual (i.e., not hire/serve them or fire them simply because they are homosexual). This is why it particularly irks me when gay rights activists compare what gays go through with segregation. It is over-the-top and, really, a bit disrespectful. I can see why there is serious backlash among African-Americans.

You realise that's not why there's tensions between the LGBT community and the African American community, politically don't you?

As usual, Poli, you've taken a point about the existence of homophobic people... which is fact, some people will never deal with the idea, and given the number of wonderful homosexual people I know, that's their loss, but then extended it to an absurd degree. Just because there are homophobic people doesn't mean that efforts to reduce that (which have most certainly worked) should be stopped.

There has been a radical shift in the treatment and acceptance of homosexuality and homosexuals, it's beyond self-evident... and because there remains homophobia (albeit at reducing levels) that somehow negates that?

8268  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney - The video clips he doesnt want anybody to see. SHOCKING!!! on: January 09, 2012, 09:20:32 pm
"Mitt Romney is whatever you want him to be."

That's the best part!

Seriously, though, he is in many ways a trojan technocrat on numerous issues. On meaningless junk that special interest groups obsess over, he'll ultimately govern by polls (since he is not beholden to any special interests by virtue of his own wealth and self-financing to get where he is), and people will mostly get what they want without us continuing to have an absurdly partisan environment. This should restore some confidence in Washington, which is badly needed, and also help boost consumer/investor confidence.

But make no mistake: Romney is ironclad on economic and foreign policy issues. This is a free market guy who will right the ship and restore respectability to America.

If the world has gotten to the point that being without any political principles is now a beneficial position ... let me off now.
8269  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Mitt Romney - The video clips he doesnt want anybody to see. SHOCKING!!! on: January 09, 2012, 09:14:42 pm
There is NOTHING that should convince anyone that Romney would be able to do anything, any differently than Obama... nothing.
8270  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will the alternate meaning of "santorum" outlast Santorum's political career? on: January 09, 2012, 08:01:47 pm
I know people who know the term, but have no idea who he is.
8271  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: New Hampshire Prediction Thread on: January 09, 2012, 08:00:11 pm
Even if Jonny boy does better than expected in NH, how is that going to translate to support in South Carolina or Florida?

In SC, it would boost the right, basically those people who are voting for Romney because of "inevitability" - it could help in Florida....

Mind you, that SC scenario is a little gift from Baby Jesus for Mitt.
8272  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: New Hampshire Prediction Thread on: January 09, 2012, 07:57:09 pm
I'm thinking

Romney: 41%
Paul: 19%
Hunstman: 17%
Santorum:11%
Gingrich:10%
Others: 2%


..I would love to see Huntsman upsetting the apple-cart... but I'm not seeing anything to suggest it's going to happen.
8273  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: If Ron Paul... on: January 09, 2012, 07:52:22 pm
Rand really has the charisma of a dead plant.

Or it could be the dead cat on his head?
8274  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: New Hampshire Prediction Thread on: January 09, 2012, 07:49:56 pm
I'm getting the feeling that Romney wins by something like 5-7% max, and Huntsman is crowned the "Real winner" by the media.

And the cluster-f*** ensues...
8275  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail on: January 09, 2012, 07:49:00 pm
Living in a society which has gone pretty far in tolerance I can say that it obviously isn't generally true that homosexuals can't be accepted in society. Sweden decriminalized homosexuality at about the same time as the US but today has gay marriage and being bigoted against gays is certainly more controversial than being gay.

Sweden didn't decriminalize homosexuality until 2003?

Weird, I must have been mixing this up with something else. I could have sworn both Sweden and the US made this move in the early 70s (like a lot of social legislation) but apparently this was not the case with either country. Apologies and all that.

The main point remains unchanged though - bigotry can disappear rather quickly.

I believe the US Academy of Medicine (or whatever it is) stopped referring to homosexuality as a mental disorder in the early 1970s...
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