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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 08:59:16 pm
Americans, given 2000, have no right to criticize other countries' election procedures.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 06:55:21 pm
Turnout in Inverclyde: 87.3%
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 06:12:21 pm
First major indicator: Turnout on the Orkney Islands has been declared: 83.7%

Result from North Lanarkshire might arrive as soon as 12:45 reports are saying.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 01:35:24 pm
Perhaps you should drop your preconceived notions about what "a modern European country" entails. Election results in Ireland always tale until the next day to be declared. England similarly often sees long delays before results are given. Not everywhere is exactly like the United States, backtored.

It does seem damn slow to me too. In elections in Scandinavia they have often counted 90% or so in a couple of hours. I do feel that Scotland is unusually slow compared to most Western European countries as well.

You should see an Irish count - Voting can take place on Friday and final results won't be fully counted until Sunday (although part of the reason is that we don't do night counting).
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something you admire about the previous poster on: September 18, 2014, 01:30:17 pm
His continuing battle to remain sincere.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 11:43:10 am
From what I've got across the internet, this seems to be fairly accurate (apart from the 'yes rating' in some places):
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 18, 2014, 11:02:41 am
Perhaps we should have a separate results thread?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence/opebo's banning correlation on: September 18, 2014, 11:01:53 am
There seems to be absolutely no correlation here.

Oh btw, no/yes(ish).
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Caption Competition thread on: September 16, 2014, 04:59:26 pm
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New Irony Ore Mine on: September 15, 2014, 12:30:39 pm
lol

Al, even people that dislike me from all ends of the spectrum say you have to get over yourself. There's near consensus on that.

Guys, it's the Atlas. We're all either pretentious or functionally retarded.

Or both. Usually both.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Top 5 real Simpsons episodes on: September 15, 2014, 05:18:22 am
Homer Badman
Cape Feare
You Only Move Twice
Homer Goes to College
22 Short Films about Springfield

Would change totally if I were to do it again in a few minutes - but it would be really hard for me to change the top three there.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014) on: September 14, 2014, 05:24:12 pm
F! didn't get in Sad
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scottish independence - The Official Atlas Forum mock referendum on: September 14, 2014, 02:42:09 pm
You guys do realize that the economic arguments you are using for why Scotland should not leave the UK are similar to points made by anti-Free Staters in the 1920s as to why the Irish Free State would be a failure, right?

The Irish Free State was much poorer back then compared to Scotland today. Ireland upon independence didn't have a welfare state, free education or an international banking sector. Scotland has all of that, which makes the picture more complicated.

Again, there are important non-economic reasons for voting for independence. But for the Yes campaign to promise that an independent Scotland will have free higher education and subsidized daycare in 10-15 years is pure fantasy. If Scotland can vote to leave the UK, Scots can also vote with their feet.

Actually it's a pretty common argument here that until the 1960s (if not later) Irish independence was a failure and economic disaster.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 538: Important Distinction between "STEM" and "TEM" in Salary on: September 14, 2014, 02:39:33 pm
So basically what that chart indicates is that financially doing a degree doesn't matter too much to your prospects unless its in a Maths-heavy science field or engineering. So why not psychology?
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: forum community feedback thread on: September 13, 2014, 05:58:38 pm
Plz destroy the Update thnx bai.
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

I like most Cheeses but that can hardly be dignified as a whine. For a start, most whines are longer than six words and gives reasons and justifications and sh**t. It was more of a petty moan.

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Or perhaps a delicious chocolate-Oreo double decker cookies and cream headache inducing cumblast to the face?

I realize that a lot of people use Atlas to hook up with other Aspie Gays - while it's not my scene, I don't really have a problem with this - but I resent being told that I should come along with it. We all have our choices... and reasons.

Oh, and consider yourself glad that I'm not a woman. The outrage would be deafening otherwise.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: 2014 Selfie Creepfest/Post a picture of yourself thread on: September 13, 2014, 03:46:28 pm
I took this one just for Atlas!



Mods please ban.
17  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: What Book Are You Currently Reading? on: September 13, 2014, 03:15:57 pm
I've just completed Vanished Kingdoms by Norman Davies - a very interesting work, if overly detailed at times (my eyes - not to mention concentration - glaze over at long contextless discussions of kings, battles and genealogies... Too much information, unfortunately that is too common in Medieval history, if admittedly in part by necessity) and rather uneven work. Some of the chapters - those on the Kingdom of Strathclyde, Aragon (when he doesn't spend endless time on discussing monarchial successions), Savoy, Montenegro - are excellent while others just serve to overdo his personal obsessions: the neglect of Eastern Europe by historians and the role of royal families. Two chapters - those on Saxe Coburg-Gotha and, strangely, Ireland - basically only to exist for trolling purposes on the House of Windsor's origins and the imminent (in his view) breakup of the UK. On chapters on Poland-Lithuania, Prussia and Burgundy he goes too far into political detail and this work would have served better with much more cultural history and less political stuff. However, He's particularly good at relating these vanished kingdoms to their present day surroundings and reflecting on the roles of memory and forgetting these old states exist in modern states and the role historians have played in distorting the record in the name of presentist and nationalist biases. Recommended.

I'm about to start Mary Tregear's Chinese Art followed with China: A new Cultural History by Cho-Yun Hsu and What Have God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. I have an extensive - and rather sinocentric - reading list for the next two months or so. Any recommendations for books on China? Tibet and Central Asia would also do.
18  General Politics / Political Debate / 'Anti-Political' Politics. on: September 13, 2014, 01:45:56 pm
Considering some contemporary political discourse and demographics of the Atlas forum and its tendencies, I would like to link to this blog post from The London Review of Books, concerning Iceland's Best Party and its former mayor of Reykjavik Jon Knarr, which seems to have engaged in something close to political Liefism merged with what was effectively managerialism.

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Four years later, and that initial success remains unique in Europe. The fallout from the 2008 financial crisis has led to the flourishing of populist, xenophobic parties on the right as well as reinvigorating a popular politics to the left of ‘third way’ social democracy; but Gnarr, even now, seems to be a genuinely new kind of political actor. While the likes of Nigel Farage or Beppe Grillo lay the blame for various problems on specific institutions and interests, Gnarr blames institutional politics itself. In spite of that originality, however, Gnarr’s tenure as mayor didn’t deliver much more than an orderly, if at times colourful, managerialism. His disdain for ideas meant that most policies came from his partners in the Social Democratic Alliance, whose leader, Dagur Eggertsson, has now replaced him as mayor of Reykjavík.

In 2013, Gnarr said that ‘Reykjavík and Iceland are perfect places to experiment with democracy.’ Given his enthusiasm for direct democracy, he can be seen as an electoral analogue to the Occupy movement. In both cases, the process of democracy seems too often to act as a surrogate for advancing any actual objectives, an emphasis on form papering over an absence of content.

Emblematic of this is the derailing, after four years, of the country’s much hyped ‘constitutional convention’. It was nixed by the two historically largest parties in Iceland, the Independence Party and the Progressive Party (don’t be misled by the name), even though the people voted for it in a referendum in October 2012, with 83 per cent of respondents saying that the country’s natural resources should be publicly owned. In his book, Gnarr waxes lyrical about direct digital democracy and participatory budgets, but says nothing about the convention, the referendum or public ownership of Iceland’s abundant natural resources. The oversight reveals the central fact of Gnarr’s politics: as a replacement for ideology he offers ‘process’.

‘One of the most valuable lessons that I have learned is that ideas are dangerous, especially good ones,’ Gnarr said earlier this year. ‘This is why it was so important that the Best Party presented no ideology, no solution. No theory.’ Gnarr’s disavowal of ‘theory’ reminded me of Keynes’s obsevation that ‘the ideas of economists and political philosophers… are more powerful than is commonly understood… Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.’

If this forum has taught me nothing else it is that irony is empty in regards to creating political ideas. Perhaps some would prefer it that way, but it is in reality a type of conservatism disguised as something else.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster's Signature: The Wrath of Khan on: September 13, 2014, 12:43:49 pm
Who was that Tom Wopat(sp?) guy that used to be in your sig? I remember never having heard of him before that sig... and now I have forgotten. BRING HIM BACK Angry

Otherwise good quotes.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: forum community feedback thread on: September 13, 2014, 12:01:54 pm
Plz destroy the Update thnx bai.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Americans: if your state... on: September 13, 2014, 11:53:18 am
That already happened here... well, without the referendum bit. They were more into armed struggle in those days.

I have no idea what my position would have been back then. Probably against.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 13, 2014, 05:55:14 am
This has been passing around the Twatter machine, no idea how accurate it is, but is suggestive

23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WSJ now openly calling for plutocratic oligarchy on: September 13, 2014, 05:09:03 am
It's Peter Thiel - one of the lead investors in facebook and opponent of Women's suffrage.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How old were your parents when you were born? on: September 12, 2014, 07:51:05 am
Mom 31
Dad 32

Both were born in the same year mind, just a few months apart

Paternal Grandfather 58
Paternal Grandmother 57

Ditto

Maternal Grandfather 67 or 68 (unsure... I think the latter)
Maternal Grandmother 69
25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Ian Paisley, 1926-2014 on: September 12, 2014, 07:24:58 am
Breaking news over the wires is that Ian Paisley has passed away

There's a lot that can be said about this man, who was for about 50 years one of the important political figures on the island of Ireland, not of a part of this record is without.... controversy. Dominant figure in Loyalism and Ulster Presbyterianism he will leave a big hole in both with his absence.
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