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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: February 05, 2016, 11:06:01 am
Fun test - did a few different Dublin constituencies and got the Green candidate on top each time. But I've got some questions.
What is the deal with Irish Water? '
What's NAMA and JobBridge?
That hospital question. Is that about private hospitals or am I just being ignorant about the Irish healthcare system?
And that water metering deal. Is that based on the, for a Scandinavian, totally bizarre left-wing resistance against water feeds?

Irish Water is a recently established (by the incumbent government) state-run company that is in charge of the water supplies throughout the entire country. Historically the management of water has left to the county councils, a situation which has regularly led to problems with the supplies, but has meant that water was and has been free at the point of use (i.e. for the overwhelming majority of consumers). As part of the government's financial restructuring following the 2010 'bailout' by the International Monetary Fund, charges on the use of water have been introduced and it is Irish Water that will collect them which according to themselves which allow them to modernize the water supply and end many of the issues surrounding it as well as raising money for the state. However, the company has been dogged with problems, senior management have all come from the traditional Irish semi-state pseudo-entrepreneurial management class with expectations of high very salaries and bonuses at taxpayers' expenses. The idea of charging for water is extremely controversial and has bought one of the biggest public resistance campaigns in Irish history with, at present, only half paying. This shortfall in funds has required it to get more and more state subsidies to stay afloat. Finally there are constant rumours often only half-heartily denied that the long-term objective of the government towards Irish Water is to privatize it and end the public provision of water supplies with all that that would entail.

Wrt water metering. Before the introduction of Irish Water there was nothing in place to monitor the level of water usage by the public. In order for this to rectified and thus relate water charges to water usage Irish Water has gone around Ireland trying to install water meters outside people's homes. It is here where a lot of the resistance to Water Charges has taken place with residents regularly blocking roads and preventing the installation of meters. This has sometimes gone as far as threats and harassment of those installing the meters.

NAMA stands for National Asset Management Agency. It was a body set up under the Previous Fianna Fail led administration to administer the assets from the 'bad loans' that had been created during the property bubble of the previous decade. In short as the government nationalized the banks (which it would eventually do for all Irish banks) it would move the failing assets from these banks to NAMA which would then control the property. This has made NAMA the largest landowner in Europe(!). Now that property prices are rising again and this is absolutely not a new bubble because it's absolutely not a new bubble NAMA is starting to offload its massive portfolio. However, there are still swathes of unused and unoccupied property throughout the country which is held by NAMA and nobody is quite sure what to do with it.

Jobbridge is a social welfare scheme set up by the current government in which companies (very much including the civil service and state-run companies) can apply to the Department of Social Welfare to set up internships for the unemployed whose salaries will be paid by the Department. However, these salaries are not bound by minimum wage laws but rather at the rate of unemployment benefit + €50 a week. For someone over the age of 25 that would mean being paid €238 a week for a job which might be the standard 35-40 hours (and for someone 25 or under it would be even less). It is widely seen as exploitative of the workers involved and is widely hated on the left and the far left. Its record of giving long-term employment to either first time job seekers or long term job seekers is mixed at best and it has allowed the government to claim that unemployment is lower than it actually is. Many companies have been found trying to downgrade part of its 'main jobs' off to Jobbridge as to cut costs.

No, the hospitals question refers to all hospitals, whether public or private although in the Irish healthcare system the distinction isn't as clear cut as it is in other places.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: February 04, 2016, 10:37:42 am
Speaking of my constituency incumbent independent TD (and candidate in this election) Peter Matthews has been diagnosed with cancer. He still intends to contest.

I wish him all the best in his recovery.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: February 04, 2016, 10:21:31 am
45 FG (Madigan)
37 Green
37 SF (lol)
35 Lab
34 Peter Matthews
29 FF
29 FG (Shatter)
4 Ross

Don't have the Renua candidate yet but I'm sure he would be close to Ross.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What does "junkies" mean? on: February 03, 2016, 08:15:20 pm
v0031 if you ever come to Dublin I can give you a tour and I can show you in great detail what 'Junkies' are.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: "Moderate" Rubio attacks Obama for speaking at a mosque on: February 03, 2016, 08:00:36 pm
There's not a moderate running on either side in 2016 ... HUGE surprise, what do ya know?

No there is, it's Hillary Clinton

Anyway I'm sad to see how predictable it is that the #moderate candidate lived up to his #moderate billing, as he has been doing throughout the campaign.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: February 03, 2016, 09:16:26 am
The battle for my last preference has been BLOWN WIDE OPEN by the decision at the last minute for RENUA to run a candidate in my constituency. His name is Alan Daveron and is apparently "a solicitor [who] has represented a number of clients in mortgage arrears". The competition between him, the SF candidate, and Mary White is going to be intense.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: February 01, 2016, 10:02:10 am
The Irish Postmasters' Union has decided to withdraw its four candidates

In the words of so many analysts here over the years, this changes everything.
8  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread on: January 31, 2016, 11:00:59 am
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook

In what should be a shock to absolutely no-one, a recent claim by a teenage girl that she had been raped by a group of migrants turns out to be completely made up.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should non-traditional forms of intercourse be prohibited? on: January 30, 2016, 02:19:01 pm
Presumably traditional would mean something like this, whatever this is:



That dates from the early 16th Century, however the people in this picture are witches so probably not that 'traditional' either.

(If anyone has a problem with the image, I'll take it down).
10  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 30, 2016, 02:10:34 pm
HISTORIC COMEBACK and etc...

Kind of wondering who exactly is voting Green in these polls.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: January 30, 2016, 12:56:46 pm
(cont)

That leaves the final seat between four possibilities: 1) Peter Matthews (IND), 2) Alex White (LAB), 3) Mary White (FF) and 4) Fine Gael winning two seats. I'll discuss these in turn. Peter Matthews was elected in 2011 for Fine Gael with the third first preference total in the entire count just behind Mitchell and Ross but was elected on the eighth and final count just under quota. However, in 2013 he was one of a bunch of TD who left Fine Gael over the abortion issue. He then, as was typical for that group, joined the Reform Alliance group of TD whose figurehead was Lucinda Creighton. However, he did not decide to sign up when the Reform Alliance transformed itself to Renua preferring to stick it out as an independent. Matthews is a former chartered accountant and commentator on business issues. He is also a strong Catholic as his position on abortion indicates but, unusually for that group, has shown sympathy to Catholic 'social justice' type rhetoric in the past and that might be possibly why he didn't join with Renua, a very openly neo-liberal project. Matthews is Dundrum based and is essentially fishing from the same pool of voters as Fine Gael and has the troublesome posters to show it. Compared to Shane Ross though he is fairly silent and at least in my neck of the woods, not very locally active. The prognosis on his chances is not positive and I would share this view, he's competing already with Shane Ross for the FG/conservative inclined independent vote and with Fine Gael with the 'party vote' and the 'government vote' and it is difficult to see what he particularly brings to the table. However, as 2011 proved, he does have some personal vote but he will need to improve upon it massively to be re-elected.

Second prospect is Labour's Alex White. I have already noted that Labour's position here is better than it is in many other constituencies however, as I also pointed out, Labour had a poor record in the old Dublin South and only won a seat in exceptionally good years for Labour. And while we can currently doubt many of the outcomes of the 2016 election, we can't doubt that 2016 is not going to be a good year for Labour. This is compounded by the fact that White had a Rathfarnham base, which is now outside the constituency. Because of this it was thought that White might move to Dublin South West to compete there but instead decided to stay put and move his constituency office not his seat from Rathfarnham to Dundrum. Alex White is from the more 'Social Justice' inclined element in the party and his biography plays to that stereotype: An ex-student Trot and leading Student Unionist who was later active in the trade unions while working for RTE (state broadcaster). When Eamonn Gilmore resigned the Labour leadership following the 2014 local election disaster he put himself forward as a potential replacement but offered nothing but 'continuity Gilmore-ism' (although he was never a stickie) and was defeated heavily by Joan Burton, a more 'Old Labour' sort of candidate. Since July, he has been minister of Communications, Energy, and Natural Resources but has a pretty middling profile. However even in 2011 he showed little sign of a personal vote with Labour recording only 17% between two candidates at the election, one of their worst results in Dublin (although nearly everywhere they would settle for that this election). He, like all other Labour candidates, will be short of transfers and so would probably need at least equal if not improve on that 17% to have a chance given that the quota is now 25%+1. I would say that given the circumstances of 2016 is rather unlikely. I suspect that unlike some Labour incumbents he won't be humiliated but his prospects of re-election are pretty poor none the same.

Third on this list is the Fianna Fail candidate and another White, Mary White. In 2011 Fianna Fail what was iirc their second worst result in the entire country when Maria Corrigan, who was also a sitting senator, got only 9.6% of first preferences. Therefore they have a lot to build upon to win again when the quota is going to be 25%+1. White is a former businesswoman, founder of a Chocolate production company, who has been a senator since the 2002 election. As her posters keep reminding us she is the only Fianna Fail representative in the whole Oireachtas on the Southside of Dublin, a technical non-truth as senators don't represent geography constituencies but advertising herself as 'Senator on the Industrial and Commercial panel' is not quite as attractive to local voters. White, while somewhat unknown nationally or even locally, has a big reputation within Fianna Fail and that reputation won her the party nomination for this constituency over some long standing and 'respected' councillors. She has been around a while and at 71 is considerably the oldest in the race (which isn't exactly full of young uns'). Notably she put herself forward for Fianna Fail's 2011 presidential election nomination hoping to make it a hattrick of Mary's who reached the presidency before Fianna Fail decided one national humiliation was enough for one year and decided not to run anyone at all in that race. White is being tipped by many to win the third seat and certainly Fianna Fail are pushing hard here with endless PUBLIC MEETING posters with her face on it to get around the law against putting up posters before the election is called. However I am skeptical and the reason I'm skeptical is simply maths. Fianna Fail are polling nationally only a bit better than they did in 2011 when they won 17% of the national first preference vote. In that election they had an appalling result in Dublin South winning no seats in a five seater (and Maria Corrigan was not by any means a terrible candidate). It is generally agreed that they will do worse in Dublin than in the rest of the country. Furthermore the party is still transfer toxic - as the by-elections proved - and is unlikely to pick up much beyond their First Preference Vote, which probably means White will need ~18-19% of the FPV to get elected. Unless she proves herself a phenomenal campaigner in the next month or Fianna Fail's polling position improves considerably I think that is unlikely. She has a chance but not I think a strong one

So that leaves the final option on my list and who I think will win the final seat, Fine Gael's second candidate whether Madigan or Shatter. Fine Gael have a couple of advantages here, demographically this is a good seat for them and is one of those where the recovery is better felt than in others. Furthermore, they will benefit from transfers from Labour, Matthews, and Shane Ross' surplus (as happened in 2011) unlike their rival candidates who will struggle for preferences. All of their rivals have obvious problems and limitations so for now I think this should be taken as the most likely option. As long as they run slightly under the 36% they got last time and are able to balance out their vote between both candidates (and FG's vote management skills are good) then they should be able to overtake Mary White in the final counts. So that's my prediction: 2FG 1IND and I hoped you enjoyed it because this has taken three hours to write Tongue.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: January 30, 2016, 12:54:24 pm
But I will go into detail about my own constituency, Jas is of course still permitted to write on it later meanwhile I will steal his format Tongue :

Dublin Rathdown

Candidates
Fine Gael   Alan Shatter TD, Cllr. Josepha Madigan
Labour   Alex White TD
Fianna Fáil   Sen. Mary White
Sinn Féin   Cllr. Sorcha Nic Cormaic
AAA-PBP   -
Renua   -
SocDems   -
Green   Cllr. Catherine Martin
Indepenent Alliance     Shane Ross TD
Indepenents    Peter Matthews TD

Dublin Rathdown is a new constituency formed mostly from the old Dublin South. In Dublin one of the aims of the Constituency Commission when redrawing the map as to adjust to a 158 seat Dail was to make the constituencies correspond better to the boundaries of county councils. This is a somewhat odd decision as nobody considers themselves a 'Dun Laoghaire-Rathdownite' or a 'Fingallian'. Even more ridiculous is South Dublin county council as most of the area that is popularly referred to as 'South Dublin' is actually not in the county council area at all but rather in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. Either way as the commission created four county agglomerations like the new Sligo-Leitrim(-South Donegal-East Cavan) constituencies in Dublin old constituency boundaries crossing county council boundaries were eliminated. In the case of the old Dublin South this meant the loss of the Rathfarnham Ward (which is in County South Dublin) with its more than 30,000 electorate to Dublin South West. While to balance the Dun Laoghaire constituency and make sure it had enough voters for 4 seats parts of Foxrock and Cabinteely in the east of the constituency were moved over to its neighbour. What remained of Dublin South was then for some reason renamed 'Dublin Rathdown' and reduced from 5 seats to 3.

This new constituency consists precisely of three wards of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown county council: Dundrum, Stillorgan, and Glencullen-Sandyford (the other three wards of DLR: Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, and Killiney-Shankill are what the Dun Laoghaire constituency consists of) showing the constituency commission's commitment to a nice correspondence between electoral wards and constituency boundaries, something they weren't so keen on elsewhere. In the 2014 local elections the three wards of Dublin Rathdown elected all together 5 Fine Gael councillors, 4 each for Fianna Fail, Labour, and Independents, 2 Sinn Feiners, and 1 Green. This was in comparison to the rest of the country a good result for Labour and in Glencullen-Sandyford (i.e. my ward) they found one of their two wards in the country where one of the candidates topped the poll. This however should give Labour despair rather than hope as this is one of the most middle class and suburban regions of the country with a history of great weakness for the left in elections, while also consistency voting for the more 'liberal' and pro-European side in referendums. Only twice in the history of Dublin South did its voters elect a Labour TD, in the party's banner years of 1992 and 2011. However, the Greens won their first seat ever here in 1989. It was also long strong constituency for the PDs, with a PD TD consistently from 1987 to 2007 except 1989-1992. Otherwise the other four seats usually went to Fine Gael and Fianna Fail equally although FG held the advantage in the Fitzgerald-Haughey era and Fianna Fail likewise in the Bertie era.

With this in mind it is noticeable therefore how very few candidates are running in this constituency, only eight in total, one of the lowest in the country (though not quite the lowest, only six are running in Laois!). Neither the Social Democrats nor Renua have put anyone forward for this constituency, even though both would have good prospects here relatively speaking. Meanwhile the People Before Profit Alliance did put forward Nicola Curry as their candidate here but she has since withdrew and the PBP have not nominated anyone else as a replacement.  Meanwhile there are only two independents running, both of whom - unusually - are incumbents. While the other six candidates are all also sitting politicians. There are overall 4 incumbent TDs, a senator, and three councillors fighting for these three seats. The other incumbent TD, Olivia Mitchell (FG), has retired.

Among analysts there is little doubt as to eventual location of two of the three available seats. While the final third one is seen as very much up in the air. I would share this analysis but with one caveat. There is little doubt that Shane Ross of the Independents Alliance is to be re-elected. In 2011 he nearly won 1.5 quotas as he was elected on the first count as has been since by far the most active and noticeable TD (at least in my neck of the woods). Despite the reputation that Dublin's Southside politics is somewhat 'different' to the rest of the country Ross has gained prominence doing the things all independent TDs do to get re-elected. That is to say, focus obsessively on local issues and campaigning for local interests. He has been particularly vocal on the closure of local police stations and amenities and is regularly found talking to locals about how to tackle crime which is apparently 'out of control' (when's it not?).

Unusually for such an independent TD though Ross has a national profile as a former stockbroker and business journalist, he is a commentator on banking issues and is perceived as keen as cutting down on what he sees as 'excessive' and 'wasteful' public spending by 'irresponsible' by public servants and unions (you know what that means). He is against flouridation of the water supply. Unusually for someone in the public domain in Ireland, he has a very strong Anglo-Irish accent. Recently he has come to notice for being the public face of the 'Independents Alliance' grouping a set of independents with no platform or goals other than getting Shane Ross into the cabinet who are running together to form a group in the Dail to promote 'independents' issues. Given that this grouping stretches from Ross to ex-Green TD Paul " you, Deputy Stagg" Gogarty to ex-Tankie and TD for Waterford John Halligan among many other local 'luminaries' it really is difficult to say how well it will hold together, especially if they, as is clearly an aim of Ross, make it into government.

The second seat will certainly go to Fine Gael. In 2011 in Dublin South they won 36% of the vote (i.e. in a three-seat constituency that's about 1.4 quotas) and were the largest party in 2014 locals in the three wards, which were fought under much more unfavourable circumstances for the government. Fine Gael are running two candidates, incumbent Alan Shatter, former Minister of Justice and TD since 1981 (except 2002-2007) and Stillorgan Councillor Josepha Madigan. Curiously both candidates afaik share the same background, lawyers who specialize in family law, which should probably tell you something about the local Fine Gael organization. It is widely assumed that Shatter will take this seat but while I think that is likely I would not be too sure of it. For a start, Shatter has lost out of his original voting base with the loss of the Rathfarnham ward to Dublin SW. Secondly, Shatter has never had much of personal vote with him usually trailing behind the now retired Olivia Mitchell at count time. A lot of that Mitchell vote (who did have a substantial personal vote) is now up for grabs and while it certainly would be strongly FG leaning obviously it doesn't follow it will fall into Alan Shatter's lap. It should here be noted that Alan Shatter only just won the FG nomination for the seat (there were gender quotas in force so there was to be one male and one female candidate, Shatter came up against a popular local councillor and only just won). Otoh, Councillor Madigan is a newbie on national issues and campaigning although in the Stillorgan region she has a much more solid base in the constituency. Fine Gael are pushing her presence hard (her posters are everywhere around here already) and her chances should not therefore be minimized.

The third seat is a bit more up in the air and many predictions, mostly bad ones, about what is seen as a very competitive race. For a start we can exclude any possibility of Sinn Fein or the Greens taking it. The Greens did hold a seat in Dublin South between 2002 and 2011 under the personage of Eamonn Ryan, now the leader of the Greens. But he has moved off to the greener(geddit?) more hopeful pastures of Dublin Bay South leaving their Deputy Leader and Dundrum councillor Catherine Martin to contest here instead. She is a good campaigner and charismatic but the Greens are still very much recovering from their 2011 wipeout and their experience of government with Fianna Fail and while they may make some impact they are basically out of the running in a seat where the quota will be so high and are unlikely to gain much from transfers. As for Sinn Fein, this is perhaps the seat least friendly to them in the whole country. In the 2011 Presidential election, Martin McGuinness recorded only 6.5% of the vote in Dublin South, his lowest in the country. I mention that as that map of McGuinness support is a good proxy for national Sinn Fein support (with a couple of caveats). Sinn Fein only elected their first councillors to Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown county council in 2014 and even still, unusually, trail Labour in number of councillors despite Labour's national whitewash at the last locals. I know little about their candidate, Dundrum Councillor Sorcha Nic Cormaic but the party has a lot of work to do to make any sort of impression here at the election. Most of their gains up to till have been in rough and depressed (and declining) working class areas and there is really little of those in this constituency. If Sinn Fein win the third seat here then they will have won about 60 nationally, and that isn't happening.


(cont)
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: January 30, 2016, 10:13:50 am
Gully's Predictions for those seats (too lazy to go into detail):

Carlow-Kilkenny 3FG 1FF 1SF
Cavan-Monaghan 2FG 1FF 1SF
Clare 2FG 1FF 1IND
Cork East 2FG 1LAB 1SF
Cork North Central 1FG 1FF 1SF 1AAA
Cork North West 2FG 1IND
Cork South Central 2FG 1FF 1SF
Cork South West 2FG 1IND

EDIT now that you mention it:
Donegal 1FG 1FF 2SF 1IND
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Indiana sucks part 1,529,683 on: January 30, 2016, 10:05:21 am
What theology thinks it immoral to sell a gay a donut at a donut shop?

One which thinks some people should be dalits.
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Irish general election on: January 25, 2016, 10:00:22 pm
Great to have you back Jas Smiley

However, I will say so far from your predictions I think you might be a bit optimistic for FF and a bit too pessimistic for FG. Fianna Fail are polling little better than in 2011 once the MoE is taken into account and their by-election record was atrocious. Even their supposed HISTORIC COMEBACK(tm) during the locals is imho exaggerated by the lack of non-FF/FG candidates in many rural counties and a stronger focus on local issues than they will be in the GE (plus a greater incumbency factor than there will be this time around). Fine Gael on the other hand have the advantage of the stability card and being the only possible government party after all is said and done and I would not underestimate that fact.

I'll do my predictions later when the date is announced and when the deadline for candidates to come forward has passed. At this point I will go for approximate figures: FG ~70 FF ~23 SF ~22 LAB ~8 IND/OTH ~35.

Also Jas, what do you think of John Wilson's chances on your turf? He strikes me as the sort of candidate who will (most likely) pick up a thousand or so votes and disappear in the middle counts or (far less likely) top the poll and get well over a quota on the first count.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of the Yellow Turban Rebellion on: January 25, 2016, 07:54:55 pm
I'm wondering what is your take on this key moment of Smiley Third World Smiley history.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Vanuatu snap election, happening now!!! on: January 21, 2016, 06:46:37 pm
The big divide is linguistic. Francophone parties tend to be conservative and wish to foster close relations with France (Union of Moderates) and the the anglophones are leftist and "anti-imperialists" (led by Vanua'aku Party).



A pattern which is not that unusual in the world, although not usually given much attention because it gets way against certain stereotypes...
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Miguel Serrano on: January 18, 2016, 04:37:19 pm
Just read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Serrano
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Obama say anything surprising in his last SOTU on Tuesday? on: January 09, 2016, 10:20:46 am
"Now, in my final year, it's time to start talking about reparations."
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP Manages to Repeal Obamacare-Obama to veto repeal bill on: January 07, 2016, 05:51:59 pm
Is it just me, or is repealing Obamacare without at the same time replacing it with something else, just facially highly irresponsible?  Surely the repeal advocates don't want to just have nothing in its place, do they? Politicians who do this sort of thing should be punished. I don't like it.

Well it's theatre. They know Obama is going to veto it unless he becomes senile or something, but they have to throw something to their rabid wing. I assume if a GOPher enters the White House, they will be less cavalier in their attempts to wholesale abolish the Act.

You are way too kind to the GOP's reasoning ability on this given everything we've seen over the past six years.
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What congressional districts/equivalents have you been in in 2016? on: January 05, 2016, 11:28:56 am
Excluding one's I've just been driven through...

Dublin Rathdown
Dublin Bay South

North Down
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New study: Republican/McCain 2008 campaign against Obama was racist on: January 03, 2016, 10:02:57 am
It's about making people look better. Are you saying that a natural preference for certain skin tones among many people is inherently racist? If you had a candidate that was pale as hell they'd probably make him look a tad more tanned, add some color to his face. Racist?

Question 1: Ummmm.... yes

Question 2: Does that actually happen though? And regularly?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New study: Republican/McCain 2008 campaign against Obama was racist on: January 03, 2016, 08:51:43 am
Do a study on negative ads focusing on white politicians. I'm sure you'll get broadly similar results about how the candidate behind the ad is portrayed in a more favorable (brighter) light.

and that's not Racist, how?
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Opinion of Nongqawuse on: January 02, 2016, 04:46:33 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse

An example of how folk materialism is inadequate in explaining history.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Clarence Darrow on: January 02, 2016, 04:44:38 pm
Essentially every trendy intellectual was a eugenecist back then. Not that I'm defending him of course ...

Ah SSonic, I went to see that as well. At the old vic?

A lot were but hardly all. One who wasn't btw was G.K. Chesterton.
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