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8851  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Ferraro: rivals ganging up on Clinton because she's a woman on: November 05, 2007, 04:21:39 pm
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mcgovern chose a fine running mate to start with, but dropped him like a hot potato because he was 'mentally ill'.  hard to believe only 30+ years ago america was so backwards that you were disqualified from serving as president of vp if you had been depressed.

The funny thing was that McGovern's rival to the nomination Ed Muskey was also suffering from strong clinical depression and addicted to the drug ibogaine; yet for some reason despite both of those cases being somewhat known to the media they only reported on Eagleton's. Hmmm...

Hell if I were an American Politician in the 1970s I'd be depressed too. Actually I think you should leave out that "in the 1970s" bit...
8852  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Election Prediction Contest on: November 05, 2007, 04:11:23 pm
I admit having a nerdish interest in this so I'm in.

a) Roughly, ALP 91 Coalition 57 Ind 2

b) Batman, VIC for Labour - O'Conner, WA for Coalition

c) Tough one, I'll go out on a limb and North Sydney to the ALP by about 0.1

d) I'll do this one later.

Okay I'll try now:
Coalition Gains: Calare, Swan
Labour Gains (+32): Bass, Braddon, Kingston, Makin, Wakefield, Parramatta, Hasluck, Solomon, Lindsay, Wentworth, Eden-Monero, Deakin, Page, Gippsland, La Trobe, Bennelong, Bonner, Moreton, Herbert, Flynn, Sturt, McEwen, Moreton, Ryan, Stirling, Grey, Leichhardt, Cowper, Dobell, McMillian, Corangamite, Blair

That is 91-57-2. But giving the polls 100+ would not surprise me, therefore these will also go (Here are a couple others):

Ryan, Boothby, Longman, MacArthur, Higgins (!!!), Kooyong, Robertson, Patterson, North Sydney, Dickson, Kalgoorlie, Petrie, Hinkler, Dawson

e) i) Bennelong: ALP 51 LIB 49
    ii) Wentworth: ALP 53 LIB 47
    iii) Braddon: ALP 51 LIB 49
    iv) Solomon ALP 55 CLP 45
    v) Leichhardt: no clue.. out on a labour leaning limb again.. ALP 51 LIB 49.. though apparently the nationals have a strong candidate too.
   vi) Melbourne Ports ALP 59 LIB 41
8853  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: November 05, 2007, 04:06:42 pm
If the Calendar is correct...

Happy Birthday, Jas. Smiley
8854  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Name the ideology of the preceding poster... on: November 05, 2007, 02:16:00 pm
Typical Urban Eurosocialist.
8855  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Thinking of supporting Ron Paul? on: November 05, 2007, 02:14:19 pm
If I ever get to the end of My Anthropology degree (only starting it now..) I think I'll write my thesis on Ron Paul's supporters. They are a, well, interesting bunch.
8856  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you a Christian? (the poll) on: November 05, 2007, 01:42:42 pm
I would define myself as a Secular christian of sorts.

So in other words, I voted no.
8857  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Day 212: Gildernew on: November 05, 2007, 10:19:11 am
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I see. Yes, I'm familiar with the hunger strikers. One of them was elected in a Dáil General Election in my own constituency (Kieran Doherty; Cavan-Monaghan; 1981).

IIRC Three of them were elected in 1981 - one of the others was in Louth where like C-M Sinn Fein have a seat today. Which reveals something I suppose.. (Though Unlike now Shinners then did not take their seats.)

That IRA hunger striker who was elected to Fermanagh-South Tyrone was of course none other than Bobby Sands. IIRC the by-election which elected him had something like a 90% turnout.
8858  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who has done more opposing Bush? on: November 05, 2007, 10:08:37 am
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Halliburton is much worse than Occidental, so I have a tough time caring about that.

Wow. Even by your standards that is a particularly pathetic arguement to make.

And I have criticized Ralph Nader decision to run in 2004 many times here before. As it split the Green Party and seemed like an ego trip (That doesn't mean I hate him or think he shouldn't have been allowed to run). This is no new opinion coming from me. But you just think I have some Ralph Nader love in.
8859  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the Republican and Democratic parties identical on every single issue? on: November 05, 2007, 10:05:00 am
Has anybody else noticed the following process among BRTD's threads?:

    1. Quote taken out of context.
    2. New poll asking people if they agree with the quote.
    3. Intelligent responses met with appalling lack of logic and knowledge.
    4. Pwnage

Just when I think our ever-so-predictable BRTD couldn't be any more of a Palooka or Ferrous Cranus, he outdoes himself again and again.

Pretty much spot on.

Oh and I would agree with this comment:

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I want a different coin.
8860  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What is wrong with public schools? on: November 04, 2007, 01:17:07 pm
It's the standard accepted by...well everyone in academia.

Excellent. That's Exactly why you shouldn't accept it.
8861  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the Republican and Democratic parties identical on every single issue? on: November 04, 2007, 01:15:53 pm
Whoever said I didn't?

So then why do you keep crucifying the Democrats? Who by the way as flawed as there are way better than any of the WORTHLESS parties in your country (seriously, as far as countries with awful parties go, that's near the top)

This is an American forum; plus if I want to discuss Ireland stuff I can do so with Jas, and often do. Plus I dislike the parties of my own country quite alot and have said so many times before. But then again, what do you know about Ireland given that seem to think it's some sort of Catholic Theocracy?
8862  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the Republican and Democratic parties identical on every single issue? on: November 04, 2007, 01:11:40 pm
Out of curiosity, is it actually fun for you two to engage in pointless debates over meaningless things?

Fun? Absolutely. That plus Boredom and helping boost my post count.

I've been on here alot recently too, due to 'events'. Though I'm hoping to cut down in the future. Plus BRTD has a thing for taking quotes out of context. Would make a good political marketeer then I suppose.

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As is every single thing in politics. You could say that about communists and fascists.

Whoever said I didn't?
8863  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who has done more opposing Bush? on: November 04, 2007, 01:10:19 pm
Seriously BRTD, this Ralph Nader obsession of yours really should have passed by now.

It would if people would quit defending that piece of human sh!t and actually argue voting for him in 2000 was a good thing because Gore and Bush are absolutely identical.

Who here has ever argued that?

People have the right to choose who they want to vote for, remember in 2000 the dangers of a Bush presidency were not so apparent and clear as now and this, like everything else, would have been forgotten except by a coterie of Historians and polly junkies like us if not for 9\11. Nader has a right to run for president and people have a right to vote for Nader for president, no?

Anyways many on the left were sick of Clinton trick of running from the left and governing from the right. Observe:

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For thousands of years, the Kitanemuk Indians made their home in the Elk Hills of central California. Come February 2001, the last of the 100 burial grounds, holy places and other archaeological sites of the Kitanemuks will be obliterated by the oil drilling of Occidental Petroleum Company. Oxy's plans will "destroy forever the evidence that we once existed on this land," according to Dee Dominguez, a Kitanemuk whose great grandfather was a signatory to the 1851 treaty that surrendered the Elk Hills.

Occidental's planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn't only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy's plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore.

Gore recommended that the Elk Hills be sold as part of his 1995 "Reinventing Government" National Performance Review program. Gore-confidant (and former campaign manager) Tony Cohelo served on the board of directors of the private company hired to assess the sale's environmental consequences. The sale was a windfall for Oxy. Within weeks of the announced purchase Occidental stock rose ten percent.

That was good news for Gore. Despite controversy over Dick Cheney's plans to keep stock options if elected, most Americans don't know that we already have a vice president with oil company stocks. Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.

Nowhere is Al Gore's environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his "big oil" opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468

And can you please respond to the uncomfortable truth above this time instead of going "OMG NADER!1111".
8864  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the Republican and Democratic parties identical on every single issue? on: November 04, 2007, 01:05:51 pm
Identical? No.

But they are different sides of the same coin.
8865  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What is wrong with public schools? on: November 04, 2007, 01:05:02 pm
I really don't see how Public schools are doing "fine" therefore I can't accept your point.

Because the graduation/college admission rates and GPAs of mine and many others were excellent.

And that's how you judge how good a school is? Because it isn't my defintion.
8866  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who has done more opposing Bush? on: November 04, 2007, 11:03:38 am
Seriously BRTD, this Ralph Nader obsession of yours really should have passed by now.

Apparently he needs a reason to bring all the hate on me. So he just puts words in mouth.

Funnily BRTD ignored Tweed's contribution to the debate.
8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Two Current Senators do you feel match you're own political views? on: November 04, 2007, 10:53:44 am
none, of course (normal)
8868  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who has done more opposing Bush? on: November 04, 2007, 10:47:30 am
Why don't the pro-Nader hacks (who unsurprisingly are European and don't have to live under Bush) directly deal with the point? There are clearly Democrats doing more good than Nader, who really hasn't done jacksh!t since Bush has taken office.

(Has anyone else noticed that not a single American on this forum has said it would be better to vote for Nader in 2000 and it wouldn't have made an ounce of difference if Gore was President?)

Only Dumbs care, BRTD.
8869  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What is wrong with public schools? on: November 04, 2007, 10:46:54 am
I really don't see how Public schools are doing "fine" therefore I can't accept your point.
8870  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: November 03, 2007, 06:42:44 pm
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Don't be so sure about Sky News - did you not here Julie Etchingham's theories on Tory party policy earlier this week? Cheesy

No. Please inform.

Of course it's hard to imagine it being more full of sh!te then your average John Waters article.. but then I'm intrigued and disgressing.
8871  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: I know this has probably been done before but... on: November 03, 2007, 06:40:40 pm
Personally I would want to legalize (if that's the word.. nah, really - integrate it into the culture) Polygamy, Polygyny and Polyamoury. And personally I really don't have a problem with the slippery slope arguement.

In other words:

8872  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Name the ideology of the preceding poster... on: November 03, 2007, 05:28:47 pm
That you are a Populist in the most Traditional American manner (not in the way that most forummers use that word btw) - a classic type reformer.
8873  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Where in the United States do you live? on: November 03, 2007, 05:22:18 pm
I don't Obviously but If I was to move to the United States New England or the Mid-Atlantic (New York state in particular; but probably not the city.) would be where I choose to live. Certainly not the South or the Interior. (And that's not really for political reasons as much cultural btw.)
8874  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Name the ideology of the preceding poster... on: November 03, 2007, 05:19:25 pm
Libertine Fascism.
8875  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Respect Splits on: November 03, 2007, 05:18:34 pm
May I suggest the Popular People's front of Judea?

(Obvious Joke I know, but had to be said.)
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