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8851  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Voucher Program Puts D.C. Kids at Risk on: October 16, 2007, 09:46:11 am
Seems like a problem in organization more than anything..

Vouchers fail massively.

No. State Schooling fails massively.
8852  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should hard liquor advertising be allowed on TV? on: October 16, 2007, 04:38:13 am
I see no reason to allow it if we don't allow ads for cigarettes, but we've kind of already had this debate before, and I don't really feel like doing it again.

^^^^^^^

For the record, I strongly dislike Advertising.. on anything. My opinion here is somewhat ambivilant.
8853  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should the US have a system for banning movies/video games? on: October 16, 2007, 04:35:28 am
Even though the first Manhunt wasn't a very good game, I feel like buying Manhunt 2, just as a way of saying "f**k you" to censors in other countries.

Yes, I heard that John Kelleher, the Irish Film Censor, had to cry himself to sleep when he found out about this.

Which IIRC was one of only two things he has banned since coming to that office in 2003.. (and certainly Manhunt 2 was the first video game to be banned in Ireland.)

It was to be said though, that the level of Moral 'prudery' (as you put it) in Ireland is nothing like in America. For a start there is no religious right except for some tiny groups which only seem to appear everytime there is a referendum on Abortion or the EU or Divorce. There are many things I dislike about my country BRTD, but social conservativism is not it, at least not in the 2000s (social conformism on the other hand.. But then again with your Che Guevara t-Shirts and oh-so-cool "leftism" you would know alot about that wouldn't you?)

Goddamn it BRTD why must you hate Ireland so must I have defend it every time you post?
8854  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Countries that ban 'Fahrenheit 9/11' on: October 16, 2007, 04:22:04 am
Just to Clarify, When a film\video game\etc is banned here in Ireland it's only illegal to distribute in the country; not to consume (and these laws are rather flouted here alot, my local video store had more than a couple of films on sale on the banned list. I know this as I once worked there. And as any Irish film goer would know censorship ratings are given absolutely attention to anyone once you look over 12.)

Boise Moi btw (and some other "bans" or "semi-bans") was allowed to be showed in Private film clubs, mainly the Irish Film Institute in Eustace Street which I regularly used to haunt.

For the record I'm against censorship. Just responding to your ridiculous verbatim. Yet again.
8855  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have you ever been appalled by violent media? (Movies, video games) on: October 16, 2007, 04:17:56 am
Let it be known that I do enjoy knowing that my collection of violent movies pisses off people like you and Ralph Nader.

I don't give a fig. What you watch doesn't concern me - what does is the attitudes that create it. Big difference.
8856  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have you ever been appalled by violent media? (Movies, video games) on: October 15, 2007, 12:43:53 pm
Okay BRTD I'll answer your question: Yes, I have been worried about violent media, etc (Though it's rarely violence - and sex which is the problem. Rather how they are portrayed is the issue.) and I suppose it reflects some not too ideal things about the current standard of society - (Look at the classic film noir's from the 50s - they are drenched with the moral hypocrisy, wag-the-doggery and Militant villigante conformism which represented the worst of that decade. And is often obvious.) But having a system of censorship is just open to abuse and agenda and has no place in a civilized society. The market is the problem, not the law. (or for that matter, the hack film makers, etc.)
8857  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How often do you (or would you) vote for the "other" party? on: October 15, 2007, 12:40:08 pm

So then... you're clearly keeping you're options open Grin

It's just a pity RSF and the SWP don't run candidates in my vicinity.. Cheesy Wink.

No seriously if I was an American and had the same attitude towards 'my country' as I do now towards Ireland I would never stop being accused of "hating America". Luckily "Hating Ireland" (and I don't) isn't considered a grevious offence.

Well, so long as the hating doesn't include...
"levying war against the State, or assisting any State or person or inciting or conspiring with any person to levy war against the State, or attempting by force of arms or other violent means to overthrow the organs of government..., or taking part or being concerned in or inciting or conspiring with any person to make or to take part or be concerned in any such attempt"
...then you should be fine. Smiley

Hmmm... You've just given me a good idea. Wink
8858  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How often do you (or would you) vote for the "other" party? on: October 15, 2007, 06:51:42 am

So then... you're clearly keeping you're options open Grin

It's just a pity RSF and the SWP don't run candidates in my vicinity.. Cheesy Wink.

No seriously if I was an American and had the same attitude towards 'my country' as I do now towards Ireland I would never stop being accused of "hating America". Luckily "Hating Ireland" (and I don't) isn't considered a grevious offence.
8859  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Have you ever been appalled by violent media? (Movies, video games) on: October 15, 2007, 06:49:50 am
The fact that anyone actually enjoyed the Saw movies disturbs me.

Worrying about children accessing something, though?  No, not really. Excluding some forms of Hardcore Pornography

I agree; with one addition.

Actually I'm quite curious towards the "torture porn" thread. I would be disturbed in that so many people seem find watching people being tortured as entertaining. So clearly there is something wrong here. I don't believe it's "natural" (whatever that is) human reaction.

8860  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Countries that ban 'Fahrenheit 9/11' on: October 14, 2007, 02:50:07 pm
Is there such a thing as a 'free country' then?

If there's any countries that don't ban Manhunt 2, then it's possible.

I don't foresee many lexicographers out there picking this up as part of their definitions for 'freedom'.

I think you know by my rants by now Jas that Ireland isn't a democracy it's a mediocracy.

Yes Manhunt Two is banned here. No I don't feel banning polluted public discourse in anyway. No I don't think it should have been banned. But there are at least 100 more important things to discuss in Ireland alone today. (The reaction at the news on some sites I used to visit was at times hysterical. Which is often why the word "used to" came into that sentence. In comparsion the word Fascist is treated with the proper meaning it deserves.)

Instead of talking about Fahrenheit 9\11 (and LOL@calling Kuwait a Democracy) and Manhunt let's talk about a more important issue what describes a democracy or not. And that's how much the media sucks.
8861  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Who would Gore's running mate be? on: October 14, 2007, 02:39:44 pm
A hypothetical Invisible friend of an all-male breeding experiment between David Lloyd George, Hubert Humphrey and The marketing men at Coca-Cola who invented Santa's jolly red suit in the 30s. With perhaps a nice touch of Reagan in their too. In other words, a being whose very life is dedicated to notion of hypocrisy; while not a single thought floats inside his automatic head.
8862  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Reagan on: October 14, 2007, 02:36:21 pm
Only truly world class conmen have a voice that sounds like what apple pie would sound like. Comfortable and soothing; the opposite of anything Dionsynian just a conman who resolves people into a passive state. While he does everything to benefit himself and his friends. But he sounded like Apple pie; no danger; no passion; no longing for something different - no wonder Naso loves him.
8863  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Guess who the previous poster would've voted for in last 5 elections on: October 14, 2007, 02:16:33 pm
BRTD would vote democratic all five times like the party loyalist he is.
8864  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is worse? on: October 14, 2007, 02:13:20 pm
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Earlier you attacked the strip clubs owners' influence on the Minneapolis City Council, but anyway, ignore that part and instead focus on the things like banning hard liquor from advertising and internet gambling. Which Ralph Nader supports. However politicians who take massive contributions from the alcohol, banking and gambling industries that oppose those policies you seem to consider worse.

Well Personally if I had my way I would do away with all advertising.. but that's a secondary issue too.

What part of "I don't believe in a corrupt process, even if this corruption leads to things I may support (but then again it often doesn't)" don't you understand?
8865  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What should the driving age be? on: October 14, 2007, 02:11:15 pm
whatever age you can pass a road test.

Going by the Irish Average I suspect that would be around 35.

But this is not the time for anti-Jack Lynch rant.

So as far as thread goes...

Whatever age (as long as over 12) you can constitently pass a road test. Perhaps someone should be tested once every six months for the first two years. And licenses revoked if anyone is caught speeding\drink driving\etc during this time.

Why 12? If an eleven year old can pass the test, why shouldn't he or she be able to drive?

I was mainly thinking of "required tallness to see properly" issue.
8866  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is banning arranged marriages an example of Authoritian goverment? on: October 14, 2007, 12:57:29 pm

Yes but this thread is about *ahem* "libertarianism".

(of course here is where I should quote Einstein.)

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Absolutely.
Why I should I be banned from letting my extended family search for a match for me?
That would be the answer to the question in the thread title.

Clearly this what Mr and Mrs Trondheim were thinking about when you were five. Going to trade you off to the Daughter of the Mistress of Mr. Trondheim's boss in exchange for five rupees, when you turned 12. Iirc it was the rage at the time.

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As to the question in the post, ah, that's a tougher one. Yes, I would agree that a state-enforced marriage age is not really consistent with the ancap vision. I would also agree that it's a necessity (though the age it should be at is, of course, subject to debate).

Not just ancap (who here is only Bono) but some of the more *ahem* "libertarian" members of the board. Like the one who thinks the federal goverment should hold mandatory searches of all mosques.

Also if you really want to stretch the *ahem* "libertarian" arguement than the answer is obviously yes; as Children are the private property of the parents if they cannot fend for themselves in the free market. And to take the Noo-liberal arguement; then yes is also the answer as to do otherwise serves the hegemonic culture.

But all this shows is how much ideologies; especially fringe ideologies like Ancapism are really just cultural products. And are somewhat difficult to implement universally.
8867  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How often do you (or would you) vote for the "other" party? on: October 14, 2007, 12:48:32 pm
Well I don't have an "opposite" party as I don't have a "party" to begin with.

But in Ireland:
Fianna Fail - Never
Fine Gael - Almost Never; Though I don't think too badly of one of my Local FG TDs. But anywhere outside of certain constituencies - especially in areas with horrible Big Farmer Anglo-tory types; never.
Labour - Occasionally but unlikely.
Greens - In the Past yes, since May 2007 never, never again.
Progressive Democrats - Never. At least in no election held since I was born.
Sinn Fein - Never, ever, ever.
Socialist Party - Never

See how happy I am with the Status Quo? Tongue
8868  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australia 2007 on: October 14, 2007, 12:43:24 pm
According to an election calculator (yes, one exists!) the most recent poll that gave Labor 59% Coalition 41% would suggest:

Labor 119
Coalition 31

I can't begin to tell you how unlikely that result is. I know - I found the calc about a month ago.

But that's pretty much what the polls have been saying since forever from what I've followed. While the Lib-Nat may have a tradition of gaining; do they also have a tradition of being more 10 points down in the polls?
8869  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Voting age on: October 14, 2007, 12:41:43 pm
When did you become a Anarcho-Syndalicist Tweed?

Anyway I know you are not an elitist; just saying that it's a horribly, horribly elitist idea.

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my main motivation is to give the youth some power in the process, as we are too easily oppressed with no conceivable ramifications.  such as laws against buying cigarette lighters.  or midnight curfews.  or being treated like prisoners in public schools.  the list goes on

That stretchs the word "oppression" quite a bit. But if you tone down the rhetoric I would agree with you..

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to address some of your questions, I'd prefer the test to be standardized by the states (or perhaps the federal government, but that causes problems).

I don't really see how the States goverment is better than the federal system. (If you were to ask my honest opinion I'd say the United States is too big a country and it would be better in the long run if it broke up.. but Imagine the chaos on the forum If I said THAT). The only way you could have a reliable testing system is if they were ran by the schools themselves; If 1) the schools were independent of goverment and 2) non-profit or at least communitarian. But this idea is unworkable because each school (and how many schools are there in the US?) would have it's own test, each with it's own standard difficulty, etc.

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the classism is a valid point, certainly.  I reconcile it with this being temporary, as everyone over 18 would be eligible to vote anyway.  I just prefer some standard of merit being used instead of some arbitrary age keeping the youth (even the intelligent, well-informed youth) as prisoners of the state until they hit some stupid deadline

Fair enough point but still how one defines "informed" and "intelligent" is really up to debate. If history has taught us anything it's how things can be rigged; so say to be "intelligent" you have to claim that homosexuality is disease (to use an extreme example; it's usually more subtle than that.)

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the working class is ed anyway, and will be until they revolt; either, through the ballot box or though violence.  sadly, probably neither.  might as well take one oppressed group (under18) out of the dark, even if it arises fears that another may be more thoroughly raped.

No comment except to say that nowadays it's very difficult to see the "working class" as a single entity; especially obvious when we are talking about the division between Rural and Urban.
8870  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What forrumer would make the best running mate for the preceding poster? on: October 14, 2007, 12:23:46 pm
Bullmoose88
8871  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize on: October 14, 2007, 12:06:56 pm
Looking at the list of people who have won the Noble Peace Prize (admittely this is a selective offering):

Woodrow Wilson
Henry Kissinger
Menachem Begin
Mohammed Al-Sadat
Yassar Arafat
Kofi Annan
Jimmy Carter
....

Clearly a list of political hacks, Murderers and madmen while Gore is certainly not any of the previous two (Yet! He may still become president.) it is clear that he belongs. Perhaps we should award two noble peace prizes - one for People who actually strive towards international peace and another for politicians who just pay lip service towards that idea.
8872  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Vocabularies of forum-goers on: October 14, 2007, 11:56:43 am
Thanks Inks. All is forgiven (Though I haven't changed my mind on your politics)

I'm still wondering how I managed to use the word "Taft" 43 times.. well, now 44.

EDIT: Just found out. Damn Election 1912.
8873  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What should the driving age be? on: October 14, 2007, 10:22:12 am
whatever age you can pass a road test.

Going by the Irish Average I suspect that would be around 35.

But this is not the time for anti-Jack Lynch rant.

So as far as thread goes...

Whatever age (as long as over 12) you can constitently pass a road test. Perhaps someone should be tested once every six months for the first two years. And licenses revoked if anyone is caught speeding\drink driving\etc during this time.
8874  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Voting age on: October 14, 2007, 10:18:19 am
would anyone like to offer a rebuttal to my idea?

but I also favor offering a complicated civics exam.  and anyone who can pass it, whether they're 4 or 17, should be eligible to vote.

I would. Who exactly would write this civics exam? The goverment backed school Authority? I would hope not or else it would be children swallowing the gruel they learn in school and make it actually needed for an important aspect of citizenship. Also it would alienate those who don't do well in a civics exam and thus turn them off the political process even more then it would already. In others greater an even greater division between the "informed" (Whatever that is) elite and the "great unwashed". It's a horribly elitist idea..

And that's not to mention that who is more likely to fail a civics test? Some spoilt Paris-Hilton wannabe whose daddy spends buckets load on private education for his "princess" or some black kid from Rural Mississippi whose parents think education is holding him back from doing proper jobs; like menial labour.
8875  General Politics / Political Debate / Is banning arranged marriages an example of Authoritian goverment? on: October 14, 2007, 09:33:36 am
This is mainly for the *ahem* "libertarians".

To take the *ahem* "libertarian" arguement to it's extreme: these *ahem* "libertarians" see the state as the only dominant authority, not cultural and social impluses, not big business, not anything else.. according to them all power in society is dominated by the state (rather than the state being an agent of society) and should the state reduce it's power it will somehow mean greater freedom (whatever that is) for everyone.

So here's a question using this logic, if two parents decided to marry off their 8 year old offspring in exchange for a dowry (as is common in East Asian culture) and that they should marry only when they become older than the age of consent would it be an example of over-extending to ban such practices?

After all, Rothbard seems to view children as property of their parents until they assert their "property rights" (whatever that is). So I suppose the answer is no and that arranged marriages should be legal. No?
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