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8851  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Has the preceding poster became a self parody? on: November 21, 2007, 12:07:47 pm
No. But he used to be.
8852  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Do you support Hugo Chavez's anti-alcohol actions? on: November 21, 2007, 07:50:11 am
Howso? It's called "progressive income tax".

It doesn't matter what it is called; it's purpose is to transfer wealth from the highest classes in society to the state, and thus weaken the status (at least in theory) of the very rich and the top businesses. How is that not social engineering?

(That's not to say I think that is a bad thing.)

Which is hilarious because you once complained that supposedly our education system doesn't do enough to tell about dangers of alcohol (that claim is also hilarious).

Ehmm... I did?

Yes, but in that case I don't care because the world would be MUCH better off if no one ever smoked, and no I don't think the world would be better off if no one ever drinked.

And I think vice-versa; so you're wrong. Tongue
8853  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Does Anyone still take Thomas Friedman seriously? on: November 20, 2007, 04:28:31 pm
Ah yes he of the "corporate globalization is going to give you a free lexus, better holidays and give you a better sex life and OMG LOL POOR PEOPLE111!" school of thought, actually quite popular and seriously during the 1990s (at least among middlebrows who ignored his idiocy) but now I have quite possibly seen him write the most daft serious article in the history of newspapers, the first paragraph says everything and the bizarre thing is that it gets even more surreal after that.

I have no idea who is going to win the Democratic presidential nomination, but lately I’ve been wondering whether, if it is Barack Obama, he might want to consider keeping Dick Cheney on as his vice president.

No, I personally am not a Dick Cheney fan, and I know it is absurd to even suggest, but now that I have your attention, here’s what’s on my mind: After Iraq and Pakistan, the most vexing foreign policy issue that will face the next president will be how to handle Iran. There is a cold war in the Middle East today between America and Iran, and until and unless it gets resolved, I see Iran using its proxies, its chess pieces — Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and the Shiite militias in Iraq — to stymie America and its allies across the region.

And that brings me back to the Obama-Cheney ticket: When it comes to how best to deal with Iran, each has half a policy — but if you actually put them together, they’d add up to an ideal U.S. strategy for Iran. Dare I say, they complete each other.

Wow. Someone really needs to contact home planet immediatly.

8854  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Morality/Legality on: November 20, 2007, 03:58:39 pm
A - Is immoral and should be illegal:
 - I'm not sure I believe in "morality" anymore, except in a very, very loose sense. In my view everything must be looked at the subjective reasoning behind such an action and the effects will have on a person, the latter should the determint on whether something is illegal or not. As I think nothing here applies then NOTA will be my answer.

B - Is immoral and should be legal:
 - Morality is usually related to egoism; 'the effects on the person' so to speak. The problem here is the words use you are too vague at times, like 'prostitution': does that mean a) being a prositute is immoral or b) being a john is immoral or c) being a pimp who runs a prostitution ring is immoral (For the record my opinion is that A is not immoral and should be legal (C); B is immoral but should be legal (B) and C is very, very immoral and should be illegal (A). Out of that list above, I will only add Adultery to the list; assuming the opposite partner is in ignorance. The rest are just too wide to make such a blanket statement. (Though Euthanasia comes close)

C - Is not immoral and should be legal:
 - Very few things imo are immoral in themselves; so here apart from those I have mentioned before: AOTA (Also define Incest; Are we talking about, say, second cousins here or brothers-sisters; not that I consider either of those 'immoral" or disgusting amusing consent (and how do you define consent?); I got way past it, such relationships are normal throughout history and ignore anyone who claims otherwise.)

D - Is not immoral and should be illegal:
 - Unusual choice this and to be honest I can't think of anything that fit into this category at all at least not without understanding the circumstances. (Like a heavy schizophrenic killing a randomer on the street - It's immoral from our perspective and certainly should be illegal; but in the mind of the schizophrenaic it probably makes some sort of moral logic.)
it 's been the historical norm). But from the above, NOTA.

8855  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Do you support Hugo Chavez's anti-alcohol actions? on: November 20, 2007, 03:42:53 pm
BTW, when I said "raise alcohol taxes by 10%", I didn't mean raise them 10% of the current tax (aka a 5% tax would become 5.5%), I meant raise them by 10% of the total product (5% would become 15%). Still reasonable?

I thought you liked taxes. Do you have any reason beyond that you yourself personally want to get cheap booze for opposing alcohol taxes?

Like taxes? Roll Eyes You should stay away from strawmen if you want to say I use bad arguments.

Theses taxes are being used as part of social engineering behavior modification, not to raise revenue. If more revenue is needed, raise taxes on the rich/business.

.. which is also a form of social engineering behavior modification (sort of like State schooling really, or if we are being honest any type of schooling but that's another thing all together) and for that matter, so are taxes on tobacco smoking.
8856  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it hilarious and fitting that Phillip Morris funds thetruth.com? on: November 20, 2007, 03:38:02 pm
Those are good points, although on the last part I would note that frankly the tobacco companies support the War on Drugs, including laws against marijuana, simply because they theorize that if marijuana were cheaper to buy (as it would be if legalized), people would buy less cigarettes.  Actually, maybe that's the alcohol industry.  From what I understand there's a high correlation between smoking and the use of nearly any illicit drug.

Actually it would not surprise me if in the near future  the tobacco industry comes out for marijuana legalization at least. For a start they have the ability and means to deliver goods at a mass level, unlike say the illegal growers and secondly Marijuana has nowadays a far less social stigma than tobacco does; despite the former being illegal (in name only if we are being honest; but the establishment, WTI, would like to think otherwise.)
8857  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is the individual pictured in the preceding post closer to fascist or communist? on: November 20, 2007, 11:21:46 am
From the Wiki article on him neither would really do but closer to a commie; kinda.

8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Name the ideology of the preceding poster... on: November 20, 2007, 11:15:04 am
No libertarian would support Tancredo.

Anyway, American Progressive.
8859  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What College to you go to, want to go to, or went to? on: November 19, 2007, 03:29:39 pm
I might aswell drop this in here:

If anyone here has gone to any of the following colleges or knows a significant bit about that:

University of Miami
University of Kentucky
University of Arizona
Boston College

Or if you are Canadian:

University of Toronto

Then please give me a PM and tell me about it.

Oh btw, National University of Ireland: Maynooth (2007 - 2009or2010)
8860  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bobby Sands on: November 19, 2007, 03:23:16 pm
What Stone did do was this; which is quite simply the most lowest thing I could imagine.

The fact that it was a bunch of terrorist sympathizers at a funeral for terrorists is why it doesn't disgust me as much as plenty of other stuff.

Don't you occasionally bitch about Fred Phelps?

That isn't the only thing Stone did btw.
8861  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bobby Sands on: November 19, 2007, 03:14:34 pm
Wow. This is odd even for you. Pray tell me, what do you know about Bobby Sands?

He was a terrorist who died on a hunger strike.

That all? He was an elected MP when he died; this is something which always be taken into account when discussing this. No matter your opinions on the man himself and his ideas.

(Well no actually, that would be Michael Stone actually.)

And still he lives. Didn't he and his ilk plan to kill Ken Livingstone in the 80's?

Quite possibly; though I admit the North isn't really something I'm interested in, like most of my generation I probably see myself alot closer to places like America, Australia or even (Whisper it) the UK than that other place; force of habit I suppose: I can't remember the last time a non-political non-contraversial news story came out from the North (unless you count the football team beating England Wink )

What Stone did do was this; which is quite simply the most lowest thing I could imagine.
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Straha has left Atlas on: November 19, 2007, 03:04:39 pm
You guys are all way too hard on him.  He is a decent reasonable guy, once you get to know him.  He just expressed a view that isn't held by many here, and when he was ridiculed for it, he fought back... and got either ignored or ridiculed more.  Two years ago, we would have all just put up with him, until more and more people decided to accept him.  Now, however, because we have the tools to marginalize someone completely without banning them, we use them at will.

This is why I was against "ignore" and all that other stuff from the begining.  This is a forum.  If you just want a place that can act as your personal echo chamber, then go to DU, FR or just sit in your room and talk to yourself in a mirror.


Though I am wondering what exactly Straha did this time to warrant such a ban. If anything despite some of the nonsense on this forum community board some of his posts were actually getting better (well, somewhat)

X Gully Foyle (AKA Got Ireland?)
8863  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: REAL redistricting in the Republic of Ireland on: November 19, 2007, 12:41:16 pm
Btw one of thing Jas mentioned was the boring constituency names - so for Dublin I suggest this:

Dublin Central = Dublin Thoroughfare
Dublin South Central = Dublin St James'
Dublin South East = Dublin Pembroke
Dun Laoghaire = Same the same.
Dublin South = Dublin Rathdown
Dublin South West = Dublin Tallaght
Dublin Mid West = Ehmm, Dublin Suburban Hellhole ( Tongue)
Dublin West = Dublin Blanchardstown
Dublin North = Dublin Fingal
Dublin North Central = Dublin Fairview
Dublin North West = Dublin Finglas
Dublin North East = Dublin Bayside
8864  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it hilarious and fitting that Phillip Morris funds thetruth.com? on: November 19, 2007, 12:30:24 pm
I am channeling my inner teenager, and he is saying that anti-smoking campaigns aimed at teenagers make him want to smoke.

By this point everyone is fully aware that smoking is unhealthy, detrimental, generally frowned upon, won't make you cool or popular, and is largely gross. These campaigns make these facts even more trite, to the point where they can be easily dismissed. In a strange way, it is almost beneficial for Phillip Morris to fund such things. They can appear to be funding a public good while at the same forming a new callous generation of defiant smokers.

8865  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: WalterMitty vs. The Humble Men on: November 19, 2007, 12:20:33 pm
I find it ironic that the 'Humble Men' consist of Arrogant Children.
8866  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bobby Sands on: November 19, 2007, 12:20:10 pm
Wow. This is odd even for you. Pray tell me, what do you know about Bobby Sands?

Of course, here I stood point that Bobby Sands is of course the very defintion of a horrible person (Well no actually, that would be Michael Stone actually.)
8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Americans Will Spend Less $$$ This Holiday Season on: November 19, 2007, 12:11:59 pm
Yeah seriously. This reminds me of a poll of Minnesota college students that said something like 34% are in debt. Uh, college students? Try well over twice that.

I imagine That depends on whether you counting Tuition costs as debt (though I would need to know how the system operates in the US to be sure). Though even without tuition fees student debt is way, way too common here.

As for Mortgages, the tradition as far as I know is not lump them in with consumer debt (unless in the situations Verily stated).

Also, LOL @ the poll.
8868  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted on California's Proposition 38? on: November 19, 2007, 12:07:04 pm
Nay. Obviously.
8869  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the man in my signature on: November 19, 2007, 12:05:31 pm
BRTD, you are a funny man.
8870  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it hilarious and fitting that Phillip Morris funds thetruth.com? on: November 19, 2007, 09:11:41 am
BRTD, why not simply read Philip Morris' website?


Philip Morris USA agrees with the overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema and other serious diseases in smokers. Smokers are far more likely to develop serious diseases, like lung cancer, than non-smokers. There is no safe cigarette.

Philip Morris USA agrees with the overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking is addictive. It can be very difficult to quit smoking, but this should not deter smokers who want to quit from trying to do so.

Yes but they among the last ever to admit that.
8871  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you believe in global warming? on: November 19, 2007, 08:59:28 am
I am not qualified to make my own opinions

So no answer is correct. I am though very skeptical about the whole Global warming movement.
8872  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Guy Picciotto/Straha vs. Gully Foyle/gporter on: November 18, 2007, 04:55:13 pm

Never figured myself to be in with gporter.

Write In: Nader\Suburbs.
8873  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Green Party any less corrupt than the two major ones? on: November 18, 2007, 04:50:36 pm
How can a rank and file member of a party not in power be corrupt?

I mean Corrupt individuals; or individuals that could possibly be corrupt in power. I suspect there is alot more of those in the Democrats or Republicans than in the Greens (or the Libertarians or the Constitutionalists; who probably have the smallest level of corruption of all, unless we bring sex into the equation - in which case the highest). That is the "nature of the big beast".
8874  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Green Party any less corrupt than the two major ones? on: November 18, 2007, 04:47:52 pm
In general though Joe is Right. Also I suspect due to the nature of many Green Party activists that there is less corruption among the party's rank and file than than the "big two" but I suspect that is true for nearly all third parties.

Per capita, the Green Party is the most corrupt party in Minneapolis, with 50% of its elected officials now in jail for corruption, with the Democrats second. The Minneapolis Republican Party is not corrupt at all, but that's because there might as well not be a Minneapolis Republican Party because they never win anything (I mean that literally by the way. No Republican in Minneapolis has been elected to as much of a school board seat in over a decade)

Huge sample size you are choosing from there. If that was a poll it would a MOE of about 10,000,000%. Anyway I was referring to the rank and file not the politicians.
8875  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Annotated Political Matrix on: November 18, 2007, 04:46:18 pm
Many of my answers would too ambigious really to be into such neat brackets but I'll try:

1. The PATRIOT act is an infringement on civil rights. Strongly Agree, Important
2. The government should penalise organisations that practise outsourcing. Strongly Disagree (Also does this include not-for-profit organisations, yes I know that sounds weird.)
3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organisations is a good idea. Strongly Disagree. Ish.
4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty. Strongly Agree
5. We should increase funding for education. Strongly Disagree, Important. Agree Ish; but assuming one is talking about the Status Quo in Education here

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than homosexual couples. Strongly Disagree.
7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps. That then again depends on how you define Free trade. Though I am a strong ideological supporter I do note that it does not benefit everyone; but that is not the point. Strongly Disagree. Important
8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially. Agree
9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted. Disagree or Strongly Disagree; depends on mood
10. The government should fund museums, theatres, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently. Again depends on Mood; but Disagree. Ish

11. The government should subsidise health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it. Strongly Agree
12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content. Strongly Disagree; Important
13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates. Strongly Disagree, Important; though that shouldn't mean they should be taxed at 99%; just that it isn't "unfair".
14. The minimum wage should be raised. To what? Some sort of Deflationary policy is preferable; but anti-Minimum wage arguements in the present day are just reactionary and\or silly. Strongly Agree
15. Marijuana should be legalised. Strongly Agree; though I am actually beginning to think that many stoners will look nostagically back at the days when it was illegal once this silly ban is removed.

16. Social security should be at least partially privatised. Don't really know enough about the US system to comment
17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism. Strongly Disagree, Important
18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive. I both Strongly Disagree and Strongly Agree on this; what I'd prefer to see as a kind of removal away from traditional industry. I generally go "strongly disagree" though as this usually refers to big multinationals.
19. The government should provide basic needs for all people. If we did; why include the government?
20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes. Strongly Disagree. Important
21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration. Strongly Agree. Important

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes. Usually Agree
23. Prostitution should be legalised. Strongly Agree; but the same comments I previously said on Marijuana can apply
24. Flag burning should be illegalised. Strongly Disagree, Important
25. I support affirmative action. Not usually no. But I admit it can be usual policy - especially class-based AA. Neutral
26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition. STRONGLY DISAGREE; IMPORTANT
27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is of sound mind. Agree; Important
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