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8851  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm off to the Magic Kingdom on: August 14, 2007, 06:30:39 am
Greetings from Lincolnshire all. Hope all is well. Smiley
8852  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm off to the Magic Kingdom on: August 09, 2007, 01:42:14 pm
Well I managed to get some use of the internets (but not for much longer) while I'm here so I will now reply.

Actually I started college last year and it was my addiction to this place was one of the reasons I dropped out after the fiave weeks (that and the place and the course and the lecturers all completely blew monkey balls. Tongue )  - Then I was doing a general humanities degree (Or Arts in the Euro vernacular) in University College Dublin. Now I'm doing another general humanities course in Maynooth University in Kildare - I plan to study History, Antropology and probably philosophy as my subjects. So I'm moving out of Dublin (Hear Jas celebrating!) - actually getting out of the city, even if only to what is now almost suburban Dublin (but not quite; Maynooth pop: 4,000 is a college town)

I finally got a shout-out, only took me roughly 10,000 posts.

Well hope to see you around, even in a reduced role. But I know what you're feeling, I'm off to college next month and I hope to disengage from the Atlas slightly and live life a little more.

I probably won't be able read your reply till September, but pardon? "Shout-Out"? Am I missing something?

Actually I hope to be Scotland around about the 20th - I hope to meet friends in Glasgow on the 27th FYI.
8853  Forum Community / Forum Community / I'm off to the Magic Kingdom on: August 06, 2007, 05:30:28 pm
That's right from tomorrow morning onwards I'll be away in the Great United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Visting relatives in Cambridge from the 8th to the 12th and then journeying around the country in a totally unplanned manner onwards (Like most Irish people, planning is not my strong suit)

Anyway you won't have Gully Foyle to kick around any more - I'll be going to college in mid-September so I won't be visiting this forum so much anymore (or at least I hope not, Atlasia can be stronger than Opium sometimes, And Jas don't worry I'll still come around from time to time and discuss Irish stuff - I won't completely forget this place. In Early September I'll still be around a bit)

This last year has been a write-off for me, so I thank you for allowing me to waste my life here.

Honourable Mentions to: Al (For being Al), Colin Wixted, Andrew Berger, KEmperor, Bullmoose88, Jas (For being Irish), EarlAW, Afleitch, Joe Republic (For being rather amusing), Gabu (Ditto), Everett (Ditto) and of course who can forget Naso, I hope you never achieve your ultimate dream Michael, but I hope whatever you do you will grow up to be a happy and mature individual. Though hopefully more Balanced and less of a self-parody than now. Ditto for BRTD.

*Already hears the cries from the Atlasian audience* Wink

P.S: Post 1910!
8854  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Could you generally recognize a post of the preceding member...? on: August 06, 2007, 04:12:33 pm
Depends on what he's talking about.
8855  General Discussion / History / Re: Two term presidents who should have been one term leaders on: August 06, 2007, 04:11:35 pm
Implementing temporary policies to help a country out of a recession is different than fundamentaly changing a society from near unregulated capitalism to overbearing government control over the economy.  The United States would have seen itself out of the depression fine without FDR's policies.

How can you tell?

Plus the pre-1932 economy was far, far, far from unregulated. (Though alot of regulations helped the existing status quo rather than the poorest, which actually didn't do that much better under the New Deal (But the upper-Working Class\lower-Middle certainly did.) - is that why oppose it so much? What's your opinion on Santa Clara vs Pacific railway company?
8856  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Guess what Inks.LWC (finally) got contest on: August 06, 2007, 03:20:56 pm
What in the name of the Mighty leip does INKS' virginity have to do with technology? Unless he's some kind of robot, which might not be very surprising, though finding a female(?) robot would be difficult.
8857  General Discussion / History / Re: Two term presidents who should have been one term leaders on: August 06, 2007, 03:19:16 pm
I'm not sure why so many people think that the US not getting involved in World War 2 would've been a good thing.

Do you really think the Axis would've been defeated without US intervention?

It probably would have. Though the idea of the entire of Western Europe as Soviet Satellities (bar Spain, Portugal and one or two enclaves in places; Southern Italy, Parts of North France) is not very appealing.

My god, DWTL you are such a hack.
Why in the world does hating FDR make me a hack?  If loving democracy and capitalism combined with protecting America makes me a hack, then anyone should be damn proud to be a hack

#1: Being Anti-FDR of course does not make one a hack, the hackish parts of the post were the other things you said.
#2: The 'Loving Democracy and Capitalism' part of your rant. Does this mean only loving Democracy and Capitalism in the US (and even then that's disputable, FDR in the end probably did more than anyone else in America to save Democracy and Capitalism, at least if experience in Europe is anything to go by.) or Democracy and Capitalism everywhere. If it's the latter then why do seem opposed to American intervention in WWII.
#3: Source for FDR denying commanders the Telegram? I conceed he probably wanted America to enter the war (mainly for Economic reasons.. never really admirable things.) but where's your evidence.
#4: The positives of the FDR include the love of big goverment so apparent in the Bush and Reagan adminstrations. (Oh, and getting many people out of the poverty. Which is clearly evil when the state does it. Cue Bono.)

EDIT: I'm no Economist (and even I know the problems of measuring Economic Growth only in matter as GDP) and I know Wikipedia is not a great source but this graph is interesting.



Also from Wiki (unemployment figures, using two forms of measurement):

Quote
Year Lebergott Darby
1933 24.9 20.6
1934 21.7 16.0
1935 20.1 14.2
1936 16.9 9.9
1937 14.3 9.1
1938 19.0 12.5
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0
1942 4.7 4.7
1943 1.9 1.9
1944 1.2 1.2
1945 1.9 1.9

Even in the mini-recession of 1937-39 unemployment was still lower than the Hoover period. Of course we all can see that WWII was what killed off the Great depression for good. Pity about what that says about this whole existence thing.
8858  General Discussion / History / Re: Two term presidents who should have been one term leaders on: August 06, 2007, 03:12:13 pm
I'm not sure why so many people think that the US not getting involved in World War 2 would've been a good thing.

Do you really think the Axis would've been defeated without US intervention?

It probably would have. Though the idea of the entire of Western Europe as Soviet Satellities (bar Spain, Portugal and one or two enclaves in places; Southern Italy, Parts of North France) is not very appealing.

My god, DWTL you are such a hack.
8859  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Pedophilia on: August 06, 2007, 03:03:30 pm
I find it interesting (but not at all surprising) that the two "Adult male" options are leading this poll by a large margin..
8860  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Aussie Politics Test on: August 06, 2007, 02:55:28 pm
Not a great test.. too many questions needed more detail.

Australian Democrats 73.1
ALP  69.4
Greens 64.8
Liberal 57.5 (WTH, this is above 50!!)
Family First 50
National 47.7
One Nation 33.1 (Haha.. More like -33.1)

Political Outlook: -22.1 (Centre-left)
Economic Policy: 13.5 (Centre) - Funny until relatively opposition to economic nationalism was seen as a more left wing ideology. In Australia wasn't the Whitlam goverment responsible for alot of Australia's tariff removals?
Traditional Values: -81.3% (Far left) - OMG NO WAY!!!11 Tongue
8861  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Could you generally recognize a post of the preceding member...? on: August 06, 2007, 11:40:06 am
I'm beginning to already... and that's without the signature.
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Describe a movie directed by the preceding poster on: August 05, 2007, 05:18:44 pm
An Emo Musical set within a Strip Club named Spartans who must defend it's very existence as it's threatened to be closed down by persians Republicans from the lily-white suburbs.

(not too dissimiliar to sensei I know, but you're predictable BRTD.)

EDIT: Dammit someone beat me to it, for Bullmoose a political satire set within the last years of the Clinton adminstration as young upstart dresses up as a woman to gain an internship into the White house.
8863  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion of Sgt. Joe Darby? on: August 05, 2007, 05:07:31 pm
Extremely Positive.

He did a genuinely brave thing.
8864  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the parties on: August 05, 2007, 03:13:41 pm
I most certainly not approve.
8865  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Scenes We'd Like to See... Week 1 on: August 05, 2007, 12:43:52 pm
"I lost my Jim-Jams"
8866  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: My 2008 Prediction.....What's Yours? on: August 05, 2007, 12:43:05 pm
My Prediction at present:

8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the preceding poster were to run for president, who should he/she pick as VP? on: August 05, 2007, 12:24:11 pm
Bacon King
Lincoln Chafee
8868  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would the previous poster have authorized the First Gulf War? on: August 05, 2007, 12:23:43 pm
Probably.
8869  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: a poem for our president on: August 05, 2007, 12:20:11 pm
Time for the only appropiate response to this failure. I got this lovely poem off of 4chan.

i'm korean son of bitch American
American is a pig
do you want a hamburger ??
do you want a pizza?Huh American is pig disgusting
 George Bush is a murderer
fucking u.s.a.

How cute.  I've always loved cocky immature foreigners who are brave enough to insult us even with their rather poor handle of the english language.  But if America is the pig, then Korea is quite definitely the deer tick.  Annoying and dangerous enough to warrant much attention from us, yet a tasty little morsel for smallest of songbirds.  I guess that would make France the Boxelder bug. 

Oh, I need to stop insulting other countries.  There's so much insulting of my own country that needs to be done.  American is most certainly son of a bitch pig.

Straha is American, he just has a French avatar.

I really hope that the poem was meant to be ironic in some way...
8870  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: has the preceeding atlasian lost the 'feeling' on: August 04, 2007, 04:58:06 pm
No, sadly for us all.
8871  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Describe a movie directed by the preceding poster on: August 04, 2007, 04:03:34 pm
A straightforward 24-style Thriller where the head of the Gun owners of Americans must save President Ron Paul, the Gold Standard and the tomb of Grover Cleveland (as well as getting the girl, obviously) from the evils forces of the Federal reserve board.
8872  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Imitate the preceding poster on: August 04, 2007, 12:40:50 pm
God I wish Mississippi was full of Liberals.
8873  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ireland Election 2007 on: August 04, 2007, 08:16:23 am
I only trust the Greens get a well-deserved drubbing at the next general election. FF doesn't seem to be the natural coalition partner for progressives (and no I'm not including the PD's in that category)

Along with SF, the PDs would be well down my preference vote

Dave

I hope so. It's sad, but after joining an FF coalition, they must suffer the same fate as the French greens. Smiley

You're probably right though, alot of their support comes from mainly upper-middle class constituencies which tend to have a very strong 'soft left' vote. Like Dublin south. And these people tend to be very strongly Anti-Fianna Fail if anything. The Greens though might be able to gain more transfers from FFers though.

After all many predicted it would be the end of the PDs after they went into coalition with FF in 1989.
8874  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I was just talkng with dad, I think we have lost the "FEELING" on: August 04, 2007, 06:12:13 am
The most rabid anti-war activists probably do not support the troops very much. Someone like BRTD probably don't even support the police! I will refrain from any more serious comments on the topic since it seems both unwarranted and unwanted.

Doesn't. 

But why would a working class person 'support' the troops or the police? 

Because they have family who are "the troops or the police", perhaps? Or maybe they want protection from whatever the "enemies" of the working class are?

Btw, Lol@Speed of Sound's post.

Personally I agree with Lewis in that "I support the troops not getting killed policy".

Though there is alot of classism and elitism going about in this debate, especially when some left-wing hacks describe the troops as "brainwashed", as if left-wing hacks had a monopoly on truth (Noam Chomsky seems to think so.)
8875  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who was responsible for the holocaust? on: August 04, 2007, 06:07:54 am
Darfur's in Sudan.

Darfur?

Anyhow, I think the question needs to be defined a little more. Do you mean fully responsible, mostly responsible, partly responsible? It seems that the point you're trying to make here is that the German people (of the time) do have to shoulder part of the blame for the Holocaust. With that I agree. However, the time to stop Hitler was really at a much earlier stage. Once the Holocaust actually got started in earnest, towards the end of WWII, it isn't really feasible to expect a people, during a time of war, after a decade of indoctrination and brainwashing, to rise up and protest against the treatment of a group they had been taught were their enemies. So, if we're talking about who has to carry most of the burden of responsibility for the Holocaust, it's the Nazis, under the above definition.


There is no doubt about the truth of that, but what one must note is that Hitler's ideas on Jewish people (and other 'inferiors' plus his foreign policy) were well out in the open well before 1933 (one only has to read Mein Kampf). And in the end, who gave Hitler his power in the first place. Many members of the NSDAP by the time of the holocaust would probably never have been members if it were not the party in power. Individual careerism took hold. One only has to look at Eichmann.

Btw, I mean "who is more responsible, or who should take the responibility".

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