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8851  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Could quality education solve most of America's domestic problems? on: July 30, 2007, 05:10:41 pm
No

Let's take one example, everyone gets a free college education. Well then that would mean that you'd have an over abundance of college educated people with not enough jobs that require a college education. You'd end up with guys with a BS in Chemistry being bartenders or a woman with a BA in Political Science becoming a checkout girl at Wal-Mart. Also what it could do is lead to more academic elitism than there current is as people who go to the free universities don't have as many opportunities as those who go to schools that you still have to pay to get into. If those things don't happen then most employers will just raise the amount of education that you need to move higher into the company. Because a college degree would mean less because more people are getting them, and thus you have an over abundance of college educated workers, it would be in a company's best interest to hire either those people who come from better schools or who have more higher education, graduate degrees and such, because those people would now have an advantage over the masses of college educated people.

That can be countered by making college more rigorous.  That way only the people who are smarter and willing to work hard will get the degrees.  That way the system completely rewards those who work hard, not those who have money.

And as I said already, by College most of the students are nearly all children of the well-off. Having better and more rigorous system of education isn't going to change the class system in the US (obviously some studious individuals will benefit). Any real change has to start at the lowest and youngest levels of education. Or hell, before that as the child grows up. Do you think that an averagly intelligent (potentially) child growing up in BRTD's wankfest of urban blight is going to stand as a potentially averagly intelligent child from an upper middle class suburb?
8852  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: When will we have a new President-elect following the Nov. 2008 election? on: July 30, 2007, 04:59:34 pm
It'll be a Democratic landslide that becomes obvious early in the night unless the Democrats nominate Clinton or the Republicans nominate Giuliani.
neither of those things will affect the Democratic victory.  In fact they could potentially make it bigger.
Harry, you think Dennis Kucinich would be "competitive" in 2008.
If he gets the nomination somehow, then something weird has happened, and yes, he would be competitive under the new weird conditions.  It's not like I think he presently has a shot at being the next president.

All that would need to be said is:

"In 2004, Dennis Kucinich ran for President...in an automobile fueled by broccoli."

The Republican would win that easy. He is a total joke. For god's sake he said the first things he'd do as President would be getting rid of the Patriot Act and creating a Department of Peace!

Sounds very Orwellian.

Anyway as a foreigner I will foolishly predict either a Democratic blowout similiar to 1980 or 1920 (in which case a sudden decleration of victory) or a very narrow Republican victory ala 2004 in which case we might be in lawyer terriority again.
8853  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Victorian Labor Party Leadership (Monday) on: July 30, 2007, 04:47:03 pm
He said in his resignation speech, that he resigned because he wanted to spend more time with his family.

Yes. They always say that. But why did he resign?

Because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Duh.

Tongue
8854  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you agree with the preceding poster's statement? on: July 30, 2007, 04:43:33 pm
Only the Irish Judean people's front SWP are more darkly amusing than the British SWP. So it depends on which version you are talking about...

Assume you are an idiot, and assume you are a member of congress. But I repeat myself.
8855  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Describe the U.S. Presidential election of the preceding Atlasian on: July 30, 2007, 04:39:11 pm
Not good. Details not needed. You all know why Sad

All leading Democrats and Republicans are filmed having a bisexual orgy the day before the New Hampshire primary. Gporter is the only won left standing - he then wins 270-268 against a homeless nazi guy running on the "I want my shoes back" ticket.

Be that a Phoenix Nights reference?

No actually, I have never watched Phoenix nights. It was reference some joke poll posted in the forum before (well, the homeless nazi guy bit.. I just made up the bold bit on the spot.)

As for Al, A glorious victory by over 80EVs as he carries all the south (except Texas and florida), the Plains and the Rust belt. But loses the NE except Mass and RI, wins West Virginia by 65 points.
8856  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you agree with the preceding poster's statement? on: July 30, 2007, 04:36:51 pm
Couldn't Agree more.

An intellectual is someone who has found something in life more interesting than sex.
8857  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Nick Cohen and Johann Hari... on: July 30, 2007, 04:31:46 pm
P.S: Al, have you read the book?

Bits. And I've agreed with most of those bits.

Will probably buy it (and then read the whole thing) fairly soon; I've not done so yet (despite attacks on middle class trendy-lefties being music to my ears) because I can't quite stop thinking of Cohen as being the hard-left oddball he was a few years ago.

Why do you hate middle-class people Al, you classist bigot. Wink

Actually I agree with quite a bit of the book aswell, though not all of it. The review above is actually pretty good in showing that George Galloway is something a strawman.. how many people (at least outside of Bethnal Green & Bow) actually take him seriously at all any more? He's clearly a buffoon of the highest order. Plus he does not really make his position on the Bush adminstration clear, he celebrates the invasion and condemns the protesters while trying to distract from who's leading the charge. I might have supported the war had I believed the Bush adminstration was competent\trustworthy\truthful-in-it's-intentions.

I didn't take part in any march, simply because I hated the anti-war movement so much (something Cohen articulates well from my POV.)
8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Describe the U.S. Presidential election of the preceding Atlasian on: July 30, 2007, 04:26:52 pm
All leading Democrats and Republicans are filmed having a bisexual orgy the day before the New Hampshire primary. Gporter is the only one left standing - he then wins 270-268 against a homeless nazi guy running on the "I want my shoes back" ticket.
8859  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Could quality education solve most of America's domestic problems? on: July 30, 2007, 04:07:47 pm
No; absolutely not. The idea that kids will always do what's best for them is only they were more educated is totally and utterly ridiculous, in saying it would benefit certain individual cases.

Also I'm not comfortable with the whole Social engineering aspect of this idea - though I suppose it's better than Christian home schooling.

Wixted pretty much summed up the other points I was going to make. In Ireland just over 50% of people aged 17-25 attend college and get a degree, partially as we have free third education. But what has happened here is that:

1) Middle class families (like mine - yay!) then are free to spend more money on their child's secondary education (High school to you Americans) in private or semi-private schools. (And on Tutorials, Extra lessons, etc. This money would have previously been saved up for college. Since the 90s when the FG\Lab govt. introduced 'free' fees, the semi-private "fee paying" schools like what I went to have seen their numbers rocket. While many free (and some quite old) schools in middle class areas have closed down.)
2) Meaning that such Middle class kids still better grades than those who go to second rate national schools.
3) Meaning that such Middle class kids then get into better college places meaning they get better careers and so on than those that aren't.
4) Meaning that the level needed to get a really high job is now in many cases a masters degree or PhD, which isn't free. And guess who can afford those..
5) Also meaning that it's politically impossible to bring fees back because of the potential suburban mum backlash at the polls.

In other words free third level education has only really benefitted the top bracket.. I'm grateful for it, because it will put less financial pain on myself and my parents when I start college, but it's a complete idealism to imagine that it will greatly improve the standards of the bottom 25% social class students. Their problems begin in the education system even before pre-school, actually pretty much the day their out of the womb in many cases...

* (Note: The above is generalization. Of course there are individual exceptions that contradict what I've just said.)
8860  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Nick Cohen and Johann Hari... on: July 30, 2007, 02:08:11 pm
...are having a feud!

Hari wrote this review of Cohen's book What's Left?, which produced the following response from Cohen, which produced the following response to that... this looks like it might run and run.

It's also spilled over into what lefty blogosphere there is, but, sadly, an especially fun discussion/row was taken down after Hari threatend to sue.

Excellent Review btw.

Funny, but I also highly rated the book too.. or at least certain aspects of it. Cohen was better tackling the Left's general malaise rather then any issue pertaining to Iraq.

P.S: Al, have you read the book?
8861  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Communist Party USA praises GOP Senator McConnell on: July 30, 2007, 01:38:51 pm
I love their ghostbusters analogy. Smiley
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many people have you ignored? on: July 30, 2007, 01:35:02 pm
I'm waiting to see if Richius comes around again to see if I can use my ignore function...

Oh, and whoever was ignoring me is no longer ignoring me. I'm so loved! Smiley
8863  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would be better for America's educated class? on: July 30, 2007, 01:14:24 pm
I'll have a degree pretty soon. That's the definition of educated.

Not necessarily.  Anyone can spit back facts without knowing what they mean (or major in communications).

But if there is such a thing as an educated class (and I don't think that there is), then membership would have to be defined based on having a degree and so on.

PhD (if we're being really elitist.)? Though I agree that this whole "educated class" business is nonsense, most people with degrees\getting a degree are already in a high enough social class already.
8864  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Question for the libertarians on: July 30, 2007, 01:12:57 pm
I would describe myself as a libertarian in the broadest sense of the world - but no I would not, as you seem entirely devoted to social issues instead of economic or spirtual ones, and when I say social issues I'm really talking about sex.
8865  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you miss me? on: July 30, 2007, 01:11:32 pm
No, not really.
8866  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you agree with the preceding poster's statement? on: July 30, 2007, 11:09:01 am
Absolutely not.

"Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down by the mind before you reach eighteen."
8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the preceding poster were to run for president, who should he/she pick as VP? on: July 30, 2007, 11:07:19 am
Forum: Frodo
From Real life: Harold Ford Jnr
8868  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Japan Finally Has a Two-Party Democracy on: July 30, 2007, 10:54:24 am
Basically, Abe was and is the Japanese Bush

Except the LDP is more like Fianna Fail or the Swedish Social Democrats than the Republican Party.

FWIW, an eight-party opposition coalition actually held power in Japan from 1993 to 1996; the LDP's dominance has been constantly eroding for the past couple of decades.

Only for part of that period was their eight-party coalition, that collapsed sometime in 1994 and the LDP were invited into the coalition; though they allowed the Socialists (largest of the eight 'other' parties) to maintain the Prime Ministership until the next election.

Basically, Abe was and is the Japanese Bush

Then what did that make Koizumi?

Japanese Sarkozy?
8869  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would be better for America's educated class? on: July 30, 2007, 10:40:44 am
The "educated class", whatever that is, are usually well educated people who have no clue what common sense is and are completely out of touch on how things work in the real world. I'm trying to be nice but most people I know would refer to them as "educated idiots".

But being Educated allows you to make comebacks like:

"Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down by the mind before you reach eighteen." - Albert Einstein.

Though I also like "There's nothing more unreal than the 'real' world"

Wink
8870  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What city/county should the preceding poster be forced to live in? on: July 29, 2007, 03:53:16 pm
Sydney Parade or Milltown, Dublin (Ireland), Middlesex County, MA (America)
8871  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Rate the Preceding Forum Member's Partisanship on: July 29, 2007, 01:13:43 pm
7
8872  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Left/Center-Left/Center-Right/Right v2 on: July 29, 2007, 01:09:41 pm
Abortion Funding What sort of funding? Generally I don't think it's a good idea for the goverment to endorse abortion.
CAFTA Too pro-corporate for my liking. It's restrictions needed to be loosened
D.C. Handgun Ban Don't really care, but probably a good idea for a city like DC
Electoral College Reform it so it can be proportional.
Eminent Domain Please Define
Ex-Felon Voting Rights Left
Gambling Legalization Centre-left I suppose. But there needs to be some regulations.
Hate Crime Legislation Please Define
Hate Speech Legislation Please Define
Illegal Immigrant Amnesty Left
Mandatory Trigger Locks Not sure
Marijuana Legalization Left
NAFTA See CAFTA
PATRIOT Act Left, though the rhetoric on both sides on this is ridiculous
Peurto Rico Statehood Why not
Prostitution Legalization See Gambling Legalization
Social Security Don't enough about US system to comment.
Workplace Racial Quotas Not a good idea

8873  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Left/Center-Left/Center-Right/Right on: July 29, 2007, 01:03:24 pm
Abortion Not in Favour, but legalize it\keep it legal with restrictions
Affirmative Action Generally Oppose
Artwork Funding Generally Oppose
Assault Weapons Ban Why do you need them
Campaign Finance Reform Left
Capital Punishment Left
Concealed Carry Depends on the case
D.C. Statehood Don't really care.. should get at least a congressional rep though

Defense Funding For the United States, Left: Your countries defense spending (or rather the system of patronage through it) is a very good way of saving congressional careers. Iraq shows that you may have most technological and expensive army in the world but if the other side is more commited...

Environment Depend on what Left and Right mean in this case; But generally I'd see myself on the "I can't believe we're so goddamn lazy, we're going to be screwed in 50 years time" side of the issue.
Euthanasia Left
Faith Based Initiatives More Detail; not something I'm hugely against. Despite breaking seperation of Church and State
Farm Subsidies Opposed for Agri-businesses. For Small scale farmers on the other hand it's probably an undesirable but necessary insurance
Flag Burning Amendment Left
Gay Adoption Left
Gay Marriage Left
Medicare/Medicaid Need more details on the US health Care system.. but given the size of the US I suspect it is something best not left to the Federal goverment. Rather individual states
Minimum Wage Depends, but generally Centre-left I suppose

School Vouchers Ideally this would not be necessary either, having a privatly run education is in many ways not really better than a public one, especially when considers the religious factor which runs through this in the United States. Such is the problem of the Left-Libertarian, but at Present I'd support though Schools should never, ever be run like businesses. EVER
Racial Profiling Explain

United Nations Better than Nothing. But is in bad need of reform. For a start, the permanent members of the SC should have their veto power reduced or removed. Or at least that would be ideal, can't see any of them being very happy about it though. And then there is the financial corruption. But comparsions to the League of Nations are false. Support, and the US should most certainly should remain a member and end Unilateralism

War on Iraq Again it's a matter of ideals vs Pragmatism, Ideally the war should never have started and the US can end it right now, but that's even more of an evil then the war already. The US has made nowhere near the level of progress that should have been expected. The Surge was pitiful. But can't leave until Iraqi goverment is at least somewhat stable (and not allied with Moqtaba Al-Sadr's nuts.)
8874  General Politics / Political Debate / So if a homeless guy needed to burn an American Flag to keep warm..... on: July 28, 2007, 05:34:07 pm
Here's this scenario:
- Take one Homeless guy, late in a cold frosty midwinter night in the city
- Take one random Place where this Homeless guy happens to be
- Take one bin where stuff is burnt in order to keep this Homeless guy warm

Now take this Homeless guy on a five minute trip around this undescribed random location, he's looking for things to burn.. his fire having ran out and with very little Gasoline left. All of a sudden he finds an American flag standing upright at random.. it is apparent that this flag belongs to no-one, so should he be allowed to burn it and stay alive for the night?


8875  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: If a man gets Pregnant should he be allowed to have an abortion? on: July 28, 2007, 05:16:19 pm
I hope I'm just mocking the abortion debate, not Abortion itself. As you can see by my hilariously over-exaggerated poll options (which just use more shrill language than the usual rhetoric...)
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