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8851  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ireland Election 2007 on: August 04, 2007, 08:16:23 am
I only trust the Greens get a well-deserved drubbing at the next general election. FF doesn't seem to be the natural coalition partner for progressives (and no I'm not including the PD's in that category)

Along with SF, the PDs would be well down my preference vote

Dave

I hope so. It's sad, but after joining an FF coalition, they must suffer the same fate as the French greens. Smiley

You're probably right though, alot of their support comes from mainly upper-middle class constituencies which tend to have a very strong 'soft left' vote. Like Dublin south. And these people tend to be very strongly Anti-Fianna Fail if anything. The Greens though might be able to gain more transfers from FFers though.

After all many predicted it would be the end of the PDs after they went into coalition with FF in 1989.
8852  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I was just talkng with dad, I think we have lost the "FEELING" on: August 04, 2007, 06:12:13 am
The most rabid anti-war activists probably do not support the troops very much. Someone like BRTD probably don't even support the police! I will refrain from any more serious comments on the topic since it seems both unwarranted and unwanted.

Doesn't. 

But why would a working class person 'support' the troops or the police? 

Because they have family who are "the troops or the police", perhaps? Or maybe they want protection from whatever the "enemies" of the working class are?

Btw, Lol@Speed of Sound's post.

Personally I agree with Lewis in that "I support the troops not getting killed policy".

Though there is alot of classism and elitism going about in this debate, especially when some left-wing hacks describe the troops as "brainwashed", as if left-wing hacks had a monopoly on truth (Noam Chomsky seems to think so.)
8853  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Who was responsible for the holocaust? on: August 04, 2007, 06:07:54 am
Darfur's in Sudan.

Darfur?

Anyhow, I think the question needs to be defined a little more. Do you mean fully responsible, mostly responsible, partly responsible? It seems that the point you're trying to make here is that the German people (of the time) do have to shoulder part of the blame for the Holocaust. With that I agree. However, the time to stop Hitler was really at a much earlier stage. Once the Holocaust actually got started in earnest, towards the end of WWII, it isn't really feasible to expect a people, during a time of war, after a decade of indoctrination and brainwashing, to rise up and protest against the treatment of a group they had been taught were their enemies. So, if we're talking about who has to carry most of the burden of responsibility for the Holocaust, it's the Nazis, under the above definition.


There is no doubt about the truth of that, but what one must note is that Hitler's ideas on Jewish people (and other 'inferiors' plus his foreign policy) were well out in the open well before 1933 (one only has to read Mein Kampf). And in the end, who gave Hitler his power in the first place. Many members of the NSDAP by the time of the holocaust would probably never have been members if it were not the party in power. Individual careerism took hold. One only has to look at Eichmann.

Btw, I mean "who is more responsible, or who should take the responibility".

8854  General Politics / Political Debate / Who was responsible for the holocaust? on: August 03, 2007, 07:49:01 pm
Note: When I mean "Germans" I refer to the majority of the German adult populace, regardless of class or status, but not members of the NSDAP or the goverment . When I refer to "Nazis" I mean the German goverment of 1933-1945 and all it's apparatus, including the whole NSDAP.

I vote Option one.
8855  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Imitate the preceding poster on: August 03, 2007, 07:34:12 pm
I'm going to insult the previous poster by making random sexual innuedos about him and then complain about how everyone treats me like a troll.
8856  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What wars would you have involved the U.S. in? on: August 03, 2007, 06:58:43 pm
Iraq-Iran War Yes - put the Shah back on the throne

While no fans of the Ayatollahs.. I must be hackish here and ask "why do you hate freedom?"

The Shah is definitely the lesser of evils here.

While I've never known an Iranian who disagreed, surely the best option would have been to reinstall the pre-Operation Ajax Iranian Parliament and goverment system and call fresh elections.

Actually we should add CIA special ops and projects to this list:
Operation Ajax: No
Operation PBSUCCESS: No
Operation Gladio: Should have been done differently
Operation FUBELT: No
Operation Chaos: Hahaha.. No
Operation Charly: Good god no
Operation Cyclone: In retrospect, No, but at the time - Maybe
Project Minaret: Surely this was unconstutional, but then again the CIA has never cared about such trifling things.
Project MKULTRA: Uhhh... No.

If you don't know what these are... there's always Wiki.
8857  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: How old should you have to be to... on: August 03, 2007, 06:44:04 pm
Have sex? 14, with parental consent; 18 without
Get an abortion without parental involvement? Whenever the women is pregnant

Okay.....
8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What wars would you have involved the U.S. in? on: August 03, 2007, 06:42:48 pm
Iraq-Iran War Yes - put the Shah back on the throne

While no fans of the Ayatollahs.. I must be hackish here and ask "why do you hate freedom?"
8859  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What wars would you have involved the U.S. in? on: August 03, 2007, 06:15:28 pm
Only WWII and Afghanistan for sure. The Persian Gulf war had removing Saddam Hussein been one of the prequistes to success. The Civil war I need to more on before commenting. The Korean, Somilian and Revolutionaries wars.. Maybe.

Bosnia and Kosovo should have been dealt with by the Europeans.. with ground troops. It's a joke we had to depend on Clinton. But given the circumstances, yes.

All the others, no.
8860  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would the previous poster have voted for the 1933 German Enabling Act? on: August 03, 2007, 05:50:09 pm
No.
8861  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Paul vs Kucinich on: August 03, 2007, 05:42:58 pm
Neither would really have much chance to enact their full agendas..
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Make an Electoral Map of an election between the preceding two posters on: August 03, 2007, 05:41:59 pm


Verily: 372, Angry_Weasel: 166
8863  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Imitate the preceding poster on: August 03, 2007, 05:38:51 pm
I hate Ireland.

Perfect. Wink

As for Verily, I'm a sort of liberal, but not really, sort of conservative, but not really. I'm from New Jersey.
8864  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Are Christianity and democracy opposites? on: August 03, 2007, 04:59:36 pm
I feel like mentioning the Taborites here. No reason; just think they were cool.

They seem interesting.. (Yes, I just wiki'd them to see what the hell you were talking about. Wink )

For the record, I'd pretty much agree with Ernest here. One could easily cherry pick quotes from bible to justify absolute monarch, republicanism, dictatorship and so on...

Christianity takes no particular stance on what form of governance to use among men, save that they are all flawed compared to the divine rule that is to come.
8865  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Imitate the preceding poster on: August 03, 2007, 04:57:18 pm
Jmfcst, I'm not going to debate you on Bible quotes again. Now I'm off to make a thread slagging off Gordon Brown.
8866  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ireland Election 2007 on: August 03, 2007, 04:44:42 pm
It's the Clientalism of the whole thing which sickens me, though perhaps it won't be so bad if it means less articles by him in the Sunday Independant (which I *shock* occasionally read, though we all know 95% is low-grade crap, which is an insult to low-grade crap)
8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Most hated forumite contest on: August 03, 2007, 03:40:34 pm
Mysteriously, I have apparently been unignored by whoever was ignoring me before.
8868  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ireland Election 2007 on: August 03, 2007, 03:37:40 pm
I really doubt (read: hope) that Callely can get his seat back without redistricting or a retiree; Dublin North Central generally has a strong FF block and a strong Leftish block. But with Richard Bruton being there.. it's almost impossible to see it as anything other than 1FF 1FG 1OTH. And Callely did better than expected there last time.

The rumour mill has been suggesting that Seamus Brennan may retire, don't know much about that. We can only hope.

But God, Eoghan Harris was really put a crimp in my day.
8869  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would the previous poster have authorized the Vietnam War? on: August 03, 2007, 03:31:43 pm
I'd be with Wayne Morris and Ernest Gruening this one.

Though it's always somewhat to amusing to note that they both lost their seats in 1966.

EDIT: Sorry, misread the thread.
8870  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Ireland Election 2007 on: August 03, 2007, 10:52:23 am
I had to rub my eyes when I saw "Eoghan Harris" on your list, I hadn't heard about the Seanad nominations yet so I didn't know.

I had to check RTE just to make sure it wasn't a joke.

It wasn't a Joke.

I then shouted "You son of a Bitch". Repeatedly.

God I'm beginning to really hate Eoghan Harris.

The rest of Bertie's list screams "Mediocrity" - that third rate councillor for down my estate whose entire advantage is that she's blond and pretty (not really) and not Liz O'Donnell (Corrigan), Ivor "Paintjobgate" Callely, that Gombeen from Leitrim and other failed Dail candidates.

But gives good ground to the Conspiracy theorists.
8871  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Could you generally recognize a post of the preceding member...? on: August 02, 2007, 06:53:28 pm
Sadly yes.
8872  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: In London August 6th - 10th on: August 02, 2007, 06:42:58 pm
I'll be at Heathrow briefly on the 7th although I'll be catching a train to either Glasgow or Edinburgh.

Really? What's the occasion?

For fun Smiley

I've always wanted to visit the UK and my parents haven't been there in about two decades, so we decided to go. I think the plan is to fly into Heathrow, take a train to Edinburgh, stay there a few days, and then take a train back to London.

Not going to the Fringe Festival?

I probably would if I weren't so damn disorganized, I'm going on Tuesday and I've just arranged the whole shebang for the few days today.

And ignore Al, Wales is evil. Tongue
8873  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: In London August 6th - 10th on: August 02, 2007, 06:35:08 pm
I'll be in Cambridge from the 8th to the 12th.. but no. Jmfcst. No.
8874  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Barry Goldwater vs. George McGovern, 1972 on: August 02, 2007, 05:50:14 pm
Neither of them were really extreme.

And I'd vote for the one who didn't use implicit racism in his Real life election campaign.
8875  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Could you generally recognize a post of the preceding member...? on: August 02, 2007, 05:48:55 pm
If it's about the Military, or reacting Al's Claims about him. Yes, otherwise seems like YA'L'C (Yet Another 'libertarian' conservative)
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