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8851  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What's the last movie you've seen? on: January 27, 2008, 11:37:40 am

Sweeney Todd - really good, The ending was a tad too abrupt for me.


I also enjoyed it, started off slow and then sped up and came to an abrupt halt. Looking back I think the ending was actually appropriate.

Yes.

And that is the last film I've seen.
8852  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Suharto is dead on: January 27, 2008, 09:39:07 am
Who?
Suharto. You know, the mass murderer who governed one of the world's biggest countries for 30 years.

But it's the Third World and thus doesn't matter

Yep. And Installed by the CIA too IIRC.
8853  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster's Name on: January 27, 2008, 07:24:48 am
I'm assuming it's an abbreviation, but I have no idea what of.

POE = Purity of Essence. If you read Schrodinger's cat you'll get it (and even then - it is a reference to a line in Dr Strangelove), also my explain my fondness of Edgar Allan Poe - but that has nothing to do with it.

As for Al, Too welsh to understand its meaning. Socialist though.
8854  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Previous Poster's Name on: January 27, 2008, 07:20:31 am
Why not ManBearPig?
8855  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Do you agree with this chart? on: January 27, 2008, 06:48:19 am
mixed economies are inherently right-wing, yes.  the world has moved to the right over the pass hundred years.  the paradigm doesn't shift through time, only the components do.

and what Morden said is pretty much correct too.

Hmmm... No. Now if you said "the world has moved to the right over the past 30-40 years" you may have an arguement.

As for Chart, That depends on how one defines the "political centre".
8856  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Your vote in these match-ups on: January 27, 2008, 06:27:28 am
I love Gully has such a fervent hatred of the Democrats he won't vote for his pathetic and worthless third party if they nominate a former Democrat.

No. It is not because she is a former Democrat. It is because she is a loony conspiracy theorist.
8857  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do You Agree with this Statement? on: January 26, 2008, 04:55:01 pm
When will people realize that these beloved Kennedy's did just as much bad as Nixon did?

Why should they believe something that isn't true?

The sinister political animal known as the Kennedy family was much worse than Nixon. Nobody cares to recognize that, though, because the Kennedy's are such a glorious bunch.  Roll Eyes

Kennedy didn't bomb Cambodia or overthrow Allende.

Next!

He did oversee that ever so successful mission in the Bay of Pigs.

Next.

How is the bay of pigs comparable to the hundreds of thousands deaths in Cambodia or installing a dictatorship in Latin America. I don't Understand...

I assumed you were talking about general foreign policy "mistakes."

Really? That's interesting.

That could be a political psychological test actually. We need one.
8858  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Carbon Credit Enslavement System on: January 26, 2008, 04:50:12 pm
I stopped reading that article after the first sentence.

Why we need this sort of conspiracy mongering is beyond me.
8859  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Democratic Unity on: January 26, 2008, 04:42:03 pm
Quote
Anyway, the way things are currently going, we're bound to be hit by a catastrophe sometime soon that will shift the country back left.

Catastrophes seldom shift countries to the left.
The Great Depression certainly did. When something bad happens, people blame the people (and to a certain degree, the ideology espoused by those people) in power, and vote for the guys on the other side of the aisle.

And arguably, the hyperinflation of the 1970's shifted the county to the right.

That Depends.. IMO I think that had to do with the reaction to the Counterculture than specifically economics. (Or rather the "left" had became anathema to some of its traditional supporters.)



The "counterculture," as the term was used in the 1960's, was dated by the 1976 election; it was effectively dead.  A "hippie" in the late 1970's was living in the past.

Oh yes I would agree with that. But it was really the perception that the counterculture had led to the Anarchy of the 70s (or perceived Anarchy; rising crime, drug offences especially, etc) - there was also a clear nostalgia for the period before the Vietnam war. Which in the strange way Reagan represented. That is not the only reason o\c; but it is significant.

Yes....and Nixon was already talking about the social dsorder in his campaign in 1968. He was the one who promised non-activist judges and to limit social change.

Indeed. What is known as the "counterculture" was just Hippies and the such. It was any sort of radical movement of the time, especially those opposed to the Vietnam war. O\c this was hated by the vast majority of Americans.

Why do you think McGovern did that badly, after all?
8860  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Democratic Unity on: January 26, 2008, 04:37:30 pm
Quote
Anyway, the way things are currently going, we're bound to be hit by a catastrophe sometime soon that will shift the country back left.

Catastrophes seldom shift countries to the left.
The Great Depression certainly did. When something bad happens, people blame the people (and to a certain degree, the ideology espoused by those people) in power, and vote for the guys on the other side of the aisle.

And arguably, the hyperinflation of the 1970's shifted the county to the right.

That Depends.. IMO I think that had to do with the reaction to the Counterculture than specifically economics. (Or rather the "left" had became anathema to some of its traditional supporters.)



The "counterculture," as the term was used in the 1960's, was dated by the 1976 election; it was effectively dead.  A "hippie" in the late 1970's was living in the past.

Oh yes I would agree with that. But it was really the perception that the counterculture had led to the Anarchy of the 70s (or perceived Anarchy; rising crime, drug offences especially, etc) - there was also a clear nostalgia for the period before the Vietnam war. Which in the strange way Reagan represented. That is not the only reason o\c; but it is significant.
8861  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: official SC Democratic results thread on: January 26, 2008, 04:19:43 pm
I wonder whether Race is the reason why the turnout seems so high.....

8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How would the preceding poster have voted in the past Six New Zealand Electi on: January 26, 2008, 01:31:34 pm
1990: National (Given everything.. I doubt you would vote Labour again. At least not for a decade)
1993: National (Though perhaps Alliance.. especially if you lived in Anderson's seat)
1996: United
1999: Possibly back to Labour (as before 1987)
2002: United Future
2005: United Future or the Progressive Party

Btw, check out the turnout figures for some of those elections - especially the 80s ones. And NZ does not have compulsory voting, unlike Australia.
8863  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Democratic Unity on: January 26, 2008, 01:24:36 pm
Quote
Anyway, the way things are currently going, we're bound to be hit by a catastrophe sometime soon that will shift the country back left.

Catastrophes seldom shift countries to the left.
The Great Depression certainly did. When something bad happens, people blame the people (and to a certain degree, the ideology espoused by those people) in power, and vote for the guys on the other side of the aisle.

And arguably, the hyperinflation of the 1970's shifted the county to the right.

That Depends.. IMO I think that had to do with the reaction to the Counterculture than specifically economics. (Or rather the "left" had became anathema to some of its traditional supporters.)

8864  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: will obama win more primaries/caucuses than jackson 88? on: January 26, 2008, 01:15:14 pm
Jesse Jackson won Vermont?

Interesting.
8865  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Last indigenous Alaskan Eyak speaker dies on: January 26, 2008, 01:08:31 pm
I saw this in the Anchorage Daily News a few days ago. RIP.

I wonder how many other languages have only one native speaker left.

IIRC Every year 10 languages go extinct. So I imagine quite a few have very little speakers left.
8866  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: Hillary Clinton = Richard Nixon? on: January 26, 2008, 12:54:53 pm
And John McCain = Hubert Humphrey if that is correct. Actually there are some similiarties...
8867  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Democratic Unity on: January 26, 2008, 12:50:09 pm
Nixon wasn't really a rightist.

Oh he was... it's just that he was clever enough not to let his actual views influence policy when votes were at stake.

That... and he was afraid of people going towards the Anti-war movement. That imo was what drove alot of his progressive legislation.

I don't think this feud will matter too much.. most of those who are died hard for Obama aren't really crucial swing voters anyway (and are much more likely not to vote than vote for a republican) - at least that is my perspective.

8868  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Your vote in these match-ups on: January 26, 2008, 07:33:23 am
LOL@The Rs are only leading in the far most likely race.

As for me...

Clinton vs McCain... Greens
Obama vs McCain... Depends on what state I'm in.. Either Obama or the Greens
Clinton vs. Romney: Greens
Obama vs. Romney: Greens (as Romney won't win)
Clinton vs. Huckabee: Greens
Obama vs. Huckabee: Greens (see Obama vs Romney)

Clinton vs. McCain vs. Bloomberg:  Bloomberg or the greens but not if the G candidate is McKinney. (see below)
Obama vs. McCain vs. Bloomberg: Unsure. What is Bloomberg's position on the War?
Clinton vs. Romney vs. Bloomberg: Bloomberg probably
Obama vs. Romney vs. Bloomberg: Greens or Bloomberg
Clinton vs. Huckabee vs. Bloomberg: Bloomberg probably (see options #7 and #8)
Obama vs. Huckabee vs. Bloomberg: Greens or Bloomberg

My Green votes btw depend on McKinney Not being the candidate. Kat Swift would do though; but tbh I've not paid much attention to the 'race'.
8869  General Politics / Political Essays & Deliberation / Political arguements throughout History. on: January 26, 2008, 07:24:38 am
So, so true. (Yes I know this is very Old. But who knows? I LOLed)

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0220,schwarz,34734,6.html

Why the _______s Hate the _______s
A Guide to Ethnic and Religious Strife Through All Human History
by Michael Gerber and Jonathan Schwarz

Quote
1. They stole our _______!

2. At the Battle of _______ in the _______ Century, they used unfair tactics to defeat us. We cannot rest until the souls of our dead are avenged.

3. Their religion is absurd. Offensive, really—did you know they actually believe __________? And they won't be happy until EVERYBODY believes it!

4. While it's not "politically correct" to say so, science has proven them to be _______.

5. They smell weird.

6. They live like animals. Children, education, the future—none of these matter to them.

7. Their music is primitive, and encourages people to _______.

8. Can you believe they eat _______? Think about that for a second—they actually put _______ in their MOUTHS.

9. They want to sully our women.

10. There are so many of them—all they do is _______! If we're not careful, someday soon we'll be submerged beneath a flood of ________!

11. If there's anything worse than a _________, it's a _________-lover. These traitors are trying to destroy us from within.

12. Sure, there are a few good _________s. But better safe than sorry.

13. Yes, we killed ________ of them. You can't expect them to understand it was in self-defense—they're totally irrational. Sooner or later, they will seek revenge, and when they do, we must be prepared to kill more. That's the only language they understand.

14. Of course we seem prejudiced. The media is obviously pro-_______.

15. They're the reason we're so unhappy.
8870  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine 3: The Mineshaft--SHAFT! on: January 26, 2008, 07:04:11 am
Yet another Classic Naso Moment.

The real question is why anyone should see Rambo in the first place.  Seriously people, did someone bludgeon Stallone so hard that he thinks we're back in the 1980s again?  First Rocky and now Rambo?  Someone needs to put this geezer in a hospice before he breaks his hip.  Its obvious from his speech he's had at least one stroke and continuing to star in dangerous roles like these is only going to make another one all the more likely.

HEY...just be glad we are not moving back towards the 1990's popular culture.

As I've stated...I'd take "Cheers", Bruce Springsteen and Reagan over "Friends", The Spice Girls and Clinton anyday. (Not to say I didn't like "Friends" but nothing beats 80's popular culture)

By the way...women looked alot better in the 80's than the 90's. The 80's had long thick, curly hair on women...the 90's had that damn "eurodance" straight hair crap that turns me off.
8871  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the States: Alaska vs California vs Hawaii vs Nevada on: January 26, 2008, 06:40:08 am
That Depends ALOT on where in California?
8872  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do You Agree with this Statement? on: January 26, 2008, 06:39:12 am
When will people realize that these beloved Kennedy's did just as much bad as Nixon did?

Why should they believe something that isn't true?

The sinister political animal known as the Kennedy family was much worse than Nixon. Nobody cares to recognize that, though, because the Kennedy's are such a glorious bunch.  Roll Eyes

Kennedy didn't bomb Cambodia or overthrow Allende.

Next!

He did oversee that ever so successful mission in the Bay of Pigs.

Next.

How is the bay of pigs comparable to the hundreds of thousands deaths in Cambodia or installing a dictatorship in Latin America. I don't Understand...
8873  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Sex films sold in Algeria disguised as Islamic sermons on: January 24, 2008, 02:43:32 pm
FF.
8874  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do You Agree with this Statement? on: January 24, 2008, 11:41:40 am
Bit like the old Commie defense of Stalinism really. Can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs and so on. People aren't eggs though. In any case, Allende and his followers would have been voted out at the next election.

Exactly. Chile had at the time one of the strongest and most established parliamentary systems in Latin America - Allende had been in power for 3 years and approaching the end of his term and re-election (which he would have lost; his popularity went down the tubes after election). To support such a military action against him renders talk of "democracy" hypocritical at best.

Btw Bono, do you support the murder of this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Schneider
8875  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Obama ad: HRC will "say anything, and change nothing." on: January 24, 2008, 09:49:58 am
You Know I have that cartoon in my sig for a reason...

Simply but, I am already tired of this sh*t. Remind me what is all this about again - Best Dressed ten year old?
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