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8851  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following movies would you let your 10 year old watch? on: December 27, 2007, 08:29:49 pm
Very few of them *Officially*.

But if a 10 year old wanted to watch, say, Salo then I would be more intrigued than worried.
8852  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:17:47 pm
Hates both, and would by consequence probably not like the Greens or PD because  they joined the FF government. I would guess he'd vote either for Indies or some other small(er) party, although not SF methinks.

The Smaller parties here are insane and are mainly made out of 8 men in stolen grey overcoats sitting in a room obsessing with issues no-one in the name of all that is holy Jebus cares about. They are small for a reason - Campaign expenses are not high; money is not that big of an issue.

My opinions on the greens have gone under serious revision as of late; and then further serious revisions to those revisions. But yeah I dislike the Greens and I even further dislike the "Mary Harney reason for being party" (aka 'the PDs')

For you, I think the Fine Gael support does suit you.
8853  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:11:07 pm
None really. Hater of FF/FG.

Al is a curious case - simply because the type of causes he usually epouses don't really exist anymore in the Republic of Ireland: Farmers-Industrial Labourers. Once there was a great class of the former; but were extremely conservative (after they got ownership of their land from 1870s-1910s; "The Land War" period of our history might be something you would be interested in actually..) and insular and often in earlier periods of history trained many of their children, of which there were many, towards emigration and as for the latter, there has never been an industrial working class in the R of Ireland - even if the Dublin Slums c.1915 were among the worst in all of Europe class politics never really emerged after 1913.

Which explains the problems of the Labour party here. Which soon after independance acted really as more a trade unionist-conservative catholic subsidary to the major parties; or at least the party leadership did. (Most of the classic "labour" support really went over to Fianna Fail and has stayed there.) In 1950 it opposed a further nationalization of the health service as it opposed by the Catholic Church (long story..) and thus assumingly their voters; most of whom were small farmers and Agricultural labourers mainly based in Munster and occasional small town workers in ports and mining towns across Lenister (but not in Dublin) known for their conservatism and dedicated anti-communism; the party even split in 1940s in a competition between two sides to show which was more anti-communist.

In the 1960s its support in Dublin as increased as more "left-wing intellectuals" came into the party; who proved in government between 73-77 that they were not very left-wing or intellectual; the backing men in quite possibly the most right-wing government we have ever had; especially on civil liberties in an enviornment of internment, IRA violence and official policy of ignoring (or encouraging?) garda beatings of suspected 'terrorists'.

And nowadays it is pretty much an unoffensive alternative to FF even if they did go into coalition with them in 1992 after their leader pre-campaign described FF as "the cancer of Irish Society". Such is politics. They do better in Dublin in both Poorer and better-off areas; perhaps their old cottier-agricultural labourer no longer exists while the Soft left has exploded dramatically. Mary Robinson when running for President in 1990 forbid her staff from mentioning her Labour party credentials in her posters, etc - as it was felt that lower her chances down in the country; where in many parts Labour Party associated with Dublin Issues such as Abortion and contraception.

All of which is say nothing about the question, really just rant about the labour party. You would still vote for them, probably out of real alternatives - even if the tradition you espouse hasn't existed in Ireland since 1913 (if not 1881).
8854  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The War in Afghanistan on: December 27, 2007, 07:48:45 pm
Whether it was justified or not, it doesn't seem to be working.

I think it's a sad reflection on our society when we passively support one war mostly because it's not as visibly botched as another one.

Or is that just the media perception? How much Reports on Afghanistan do CNN, FOX, etc do these days anyway.

Excellent post. Fully agree btw.
8855  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should there be a master's degree in "Creation Science"? on: December 27, 2007, 07:47:14 pm
Creationism and the ideal of academica (note: The word "Ideal") are as so oppositely related that such an idea goes beyond the realm from what should be done. Give them their degrees of course but prohibit the use of the word "masters" or "Doctorate" and certainly don't give any legimatcy (Know I suppose you could do, say, a Biology MA in showing problems in the Theory of Evolution and offering potential situations, such as "Creation Science" but that is in a very different context.)
8856  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Trying to calm myself down here. on: December 27, 2007, 07:32:44 pm
Complicated. But I doubt Musharrif will around for long. At least from what I've hearing; whether he is replaced by a leader in the right-wing section of the Military, an Islamic fundimentalist regime (unlikely unless rise to power co-insides with #1), a western style Democrat or former Prime Minister Sharif (okay.. pretty unlikely too.. but you never know.)

All the smart money is on #1. Which I suppose means that things will hot up in India in the next while.
8857  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated. on: December 27, 2007, 07:28:52 pm
What a blow to Democracy.

Some of the comments like the above show a lack of knowledge (or perhaps a belief in Bhutto being one of those "lesser of X amount of evils"; one of the reasons like the world is in the state is in is that we can't stop choosing between evils.) Bhutto's government in the early 90s was corrupt beyond any western or even local standard and achieved nothing of legaslative note all the while the events which were to lead to the Military coup in 1999 roared on. Not to mention her role in Pakistani Foreign policy; perhaps slightly more enlighted than some of her predeccesors or successors - but how hard is that?

Despite all this, RIP.

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People need to remember what country this happend in. Things in Pakistan have a habit of being, how shall we say, linked? It would be very surprising if some form of Islamists weren't involved and it would also be surprising if some elements of the "security" services weren't involved at some level.
Should also be noted that likely collusion by elements (rouge or not) of the "security" services isn't the same thing as Musharraf likely being involved. There's a good chance that he'll be next.

This is very true. And that last bit is the more worrying.
8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: your favorite area of political study? on: December 27, 2007, 07:20:18 pm
Whatever area happens to pique and further my belief in the death of Irish Society.
8859  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Another disturbing revelation on: December 27, 2007, 07:17:13 pm
So, J. Edgar Hoover was a quasi-fascist madman cross-dresser whose policies were driven by bizarre personal vendettas and who welded a scary amount of power over the president of the United States?

This is News now. Welcome to the 70s. Again.
8860  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Gravel does it again! on: December 27, 2007, 07:12:08 pm
Wow. I thought nothing could beat the Classic "Rock" ad but I was wrong; those are simply the greatest ads in the history of Mankind.
8861  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Rudy Giuliani an enemy of the Constitution? on: December 27, 2007, 07:07:14 pm
Probably. But who cares? The consitution is just a piece of paper anyway.

The real question is "Is Rudy Giuliani an enemy of the Human Race?" and I think on the conclusive evidence, we can all say 'yes'.
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 07:03:53 pm
Fine Gael.

Funny I this thread was originally posted during my week plus hiatus from the boards; though I don't plan on staying very long. It is just that today has been slow and depressing.

I think most people on here would be FF\FG voters; though to disinguish between the two is sometimes difficult especially for a foreigner; to identity one as a classic FF or FG voting type often requires to understand bizarre nuances which only Irish people skilled in some dark art of political knowledge comprehend. Some are obvious, like Don who would clearly transfer his love of the GOP over to the Fianna Fail. He often comes across as the type who had been born in Ireland had a Fianna Fail voting for all time Granddaddy from County Kerry; who during the civil war shot three free state cows outside of Killorgin for their treachery.. But I digress.

I tend to agree with Jas; Over the past six months my opinion of Fine Gael whatever it was; has gone down quite a bit.
8863  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Ron Paul's Boston Tea Party Anniversary Money Extravaganza! on: December 17, 2007, 05:40:27 am
If you've never played Pokemon on a Gameboy, do not watch this. If you have, prepare for one of the most amazing videos you've ever seen: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RLuySLO9IQ8

Just when I thought nothing could further reinforce every single cliche I have about Ron Pauls supporters; this comes up. Wow.
8864  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress reminds us that Christians are awesome. on: December 16, 2007, 08:44:48 pm
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Way back in the days of Shakespeare, anti-Semitism was rampant; Jews were shunned, were routinely portrayed in hideous caricatures, were forced to wear a red hat to identify themselves, were forced to live in a ghetto to keep them away from good Christian folk, were barred from owning land or entering the professions

Not quite true; well some of it is but only in certain areas and yes Anti-semitism was rampant during this period. But what is important to realize that the reason why Jews became associated with certain professions - ie. Banking, certain types of small business - was due to the Catholic church's ban on Usury (ie. Lending money at interest) during the Middle ages, but as there was demand for a such service the biggest non-Catholic minority were those who were advantaged. This is where the whole "Jewish Bankers" stereotype (and not the only one) comes in.

Of course by the time of the Nazis; all that was only a truth in history. Only the Rothschilds (who weren't medevil) were left; didn't stop alot of anti-semitism spreading from generation to generation (as alot of anti-semitism, though not all of it - far from it, is often associated with a rejection of what can be seen as "urban values".)

All this does not o\c mean that DWDL is not a deluded plank who should move to somewhere East-St Louis pronto.
8865  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: Which Presidential Candidate is the previous poster most like? on: December 16, 2007, 08:39:54 pm
Probably Obama.
8866  General Discussion / History / Re: Ranking of Richard Nixon on: December 16, 2007, 08:38:20 pm
Bottom 10.  He's partly responsible for the health care mess we have today, as well as the use of subtle racism in Southern politics as an election ploy.  Total joke of a person.

I'm quite fond of his habit of himself getting blind drunk and then along with Kissinger semi-praying\worshipping the portrait of Lincoln in the white house gallery through the long hours of the night.

Hunter S. Thompson said everything there was ever to be said about Richard Milhaus Nixon.
8867  General Discussion / History / Re: What should we call President Bush? on: December 16, 2007, 08:35:53 pm
I'm quite fond of "the Deciderator" and "Chimpy McFlightsuit".
8868  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: if Mike Huckabee wins the presidency, is it justified to turn to nihilism? on: December 16, 2007, 08:22:27 pm
I've lived within a 2-mile radius in Suffolk County for my entire life.  so, yes, I'm from LI.  and DIY?  as in do-it-yourself indie-punk dumpster-dive for clothes and live in condemned buildings?  no, not quite.  I'm a lot less pure than I'd like to be in terms of being another useless, wasteful, white, upper-middle class consumer.  and it kills me every day, but I don't have the sack to do anything about it.  but somehow I don't think that's what you meant.

Fair enough; and in my moping stages (like right now for instance - usually whenever I am on this forum - which I have spend a sum total of a month on now - joined 13 months ago.) I feel like that.

I ask especially as I know someone (a friend of a friend really..) who is really big into DIY and has regularly stayed in an commune of sorts in Long Island; he usually ends up driving bands around America and he currently has my coat... the fiend. Just curious if that was your social scene. (If you have anything to add to this It might be best done by PM.)
8869  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: who do you think lieberman voted for in 04? on: December 16, 2007, 08:14:37 pm
Obviously he voted for Nader.

Like the Suburb-loving fascist that he is obviously..
8870  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: if Mike Huckabee wins the presidency, is it justified to turn to nihilism? on: December 16, 2007, 08:13:58 pm
if Mike Huckabee wins the presidency, is it justified to turn to nihilism?

Whatever floats your boat Tweed, though I'd say turning to Nihilism in the face of the United States government my yourself Tweed would be about as effective as a bunch of crippled dwarfs trying to climb the Grand canyon in order to reach the summit of paradise. It just makes no sense.

slightly OT: Are you are from long Island btw and into DIY?
8871  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: is Ralph Nader a virgin? on: December 16, 2007, 08:01:28 pm
This thread is surreal..
8872  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which posters would you like to "vote off the island"? on: December 16, 2007, 07:13:43 pm
Ah, I knew I'd forgotten at least one person! He made a round of posts today.

Richard.
8873  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australian medical expert wants families to pay a $5000-plus "baby levy" on: December 16, 2007, 02:34:48 pm
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Compared to The USA, Canada, Mexico, the UK and Japan, Australia is;
-tied with Canada for lowest population density 3 / sq km.
-has the lowest population per sq km  of arable land
-has the lowest population per sq km of irrigated land.

That's because most of the land isn't easily arable or irrigated. Like Northern Canada its land is completely unsuited to mass farming and major settlement. Which is why all of those settlements are by the coast; and most of the Agricultural regions border rivers; yet this hardly makes up 20% of the total surface area of Australia. And then there is the Aboroginal problem.

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Compared to those countries Australia is sitting pretty.

And the United States has terriority which is entirely similiar to the Gibson Desert or the Northern Terriority. (Perhaps Death Valley would be the closest - but that makes up a tiny fraction of the surface area.). Not to mention that Australia has in recent years had most extreme drought in the past 50 years. Living in such conditions just isn't appealing to anyone.

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Also you guys ignore the possibility of technology improvements which can make things better

Ignoring the possibility that technology actually might be making the situation worse (ie. Global warming contributing to the drought.) have you thought the prospect of something that might happen isn't going to entice many people into the interior?

Most people ignore the possibility of ourselves inventing mass-produced Jetpacks or Rocketships.

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On that logic you could say that Australia can only support 50,000 or so, but that's using hunter -gatherer technology. Using agriculture it can obviously support far more.

Except very few areas are suited to intensive agriculture. (And most of Western Australia iirc is given over to massive ranches which explains partly why population density is so low and why nearly everyone in WA lives in Perth.)

Of course people might invent a better system which might improve all local agricultural systems (but what will happen to the ranchers?) in the same way humans might invent rocketships, which given the ability to colonize space would solve this immediatly.

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Those ideas aren't practical now but with improving technology and increasing demand they may become reality some day. Don't underestimate the ability of humans to develop innovative solutions.

I don't; but you seem to suggesting that people should basing essential decisions on what might happen.
8874  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Opinion of the Candidate - Mike Huckabee on: December 16, 2007, 02:17:33 pm
What's the point? Why not just re-elect George W. Bush for a third term?

I ask the same thing of Hillary Clinton supporters.

So you think there's no difference between the parties?

Tweed is a marxist now.

And I agree; what the world doesn't need right now is an over zealous cross bread of Jimmy Carter and Dubya in the White house.
8875  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which posters would you like to "vote off the island"? on: December 16, 2007, 02:08:53 pm
I'd vote myself off, but his forum is too damn addicting.
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