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8851  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush has highest disapproval rating ever, 71% disapprove on: July 23, 2007, 12:48:33 pm
Why was Truman's approval so low?

Korean war, I believe.

Reccession was another factor... the economy tanked in his second term.

Also there was the Mink Coat bribery, the attacks of Communists in the State Department, and Truman telling Paul Hume that if he insulted his daughter’s singing again he would need, “A new nose, plenty of beef steak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below.” Why Truman is called a “near-great president” is an amazement to me.

Probably due to the whole setting up of the whole Post-Cold war appartus in Foreign Policy. Certainly contributed more to defeating the USSR than Reagan did. Though I wouldn't rank Truman as a great US president either.
8852  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Japanese House of Councillors Election, July 2007 on: July 23, 2007, 12:46:10 pm
Far from an expert, but the Communist Party does relatively well in Japan, no? (Atleast compared to most European communists)

As far as I can understand (again no expert) - yes, around 7% of the vote or so. Though in saying that the JCP was never connected to nor followed the Soviet Union or Maoist China, and always saw it's role as constitutional - not revolutionary.

Anyway the Social Democrats by some strange freak are probably the more left-wing of the two leftist parties in Japan.
8853  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: who do you THINK will win the libertarian party nomination on: July 23, 2007, 12:43:18 pm
I care about as much as finding out which saddo the Official Monster Raving Loony Party runs in any given by-election over here.

Except that the OMRLP is at least a demi-semi-serious party. Obviously.

^^^^^ Pretty Much.
8854  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush has highest disapproval rating ever, 71% disapprove on: July 23, 2007, 12:35:49 pm
Why was Truman's approval so low?

Anyway, yet more confirmation on what an epic, epic failure Bush has been. Not that we need anymore of that.
8855  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Japanese House of Councillors Election, July 2007 on: July 23, 2007, 12:29:53 pm
The DPJ is center-left, the LDP is all over the place (due to its historical dominance of the political scene) but probably best described as center-right. New Komeito is conservative Buddhist but centrist otherwise. The minor Japanese Communist Party and Social Democratic Party that are also likely to win a few seats are obviously left-wing, and the breakaway People's New Party, a split from the LDP, is as murky in its ideology, though allied with the DPJ.

I'm no expert, but I also read/heard descriptions that both the LDP and the DPJ could be better desribed as "center-right to center-left parties"... so that both are neither right nor left (or very different from each other in terms of ideology, for that matter).

I would agree with that. Both the DPJ and LPJ are non-ideological parties. The DPJ is just a coalition of everyone who doesn't like the LPJ and the LPJ is a coalition of everyone who wants to be in power. This makes for what is possibly one of the worst political arrangements in the world.

Which makes it sound exactly like Ireland....
8856  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: A Message From Mike Naso on: July 23, 2007, 12:29:12 pm
Thanks for the laugh, Naso - I needed that.

Btw, how much times do you leave your house? Just curious. (After all you seem to spend all your time filming yourself...)
8857  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if you could travel back to the year 1910 ... on: July 23, 2007, 12:10:06 pm
Okay so the current death list:

Adolph you know who
A couple of Serbs
Benito the Italian
That Southerner at Princeton who got involved in politics

You might want to throw in Joseph the Georgian, Vladimir the failed lawyer and the King of Germany, finishing the job Anne Oakley should have done.
8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it just me because ... on: July 23, 2007, 11:52:16 am
... I haven't got the 2008 bug yet. I'm worried Sad. 2004 and the 2006 mid-terms really enthused me but nothing near that 'feeling' yet as far as 2008 goes

Dave



It's July..... 2007.

You're normal. That is all.
8859  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Japanese House of Councillors Election, July 2007 on: July 23, 2007, 11:50:07 am
Guess no one cares about Japan.

The election was initially scheduled for today, but the government (unpopularly) rescheduled the elections to a week from now to "finish legislative business" (i.e., ram a few bits of their agenda through before losing the election).

Abe's popularity has continued to fall; his latest approval rating was 25%. The DPJ leads the LDP-New Komeito coalition by about 6-8 points in opinion polls.

I most certainly do. It will be nice to see the LDP lose an election for a change. Smiley

I presume that might be the end of Abe then (and back to "revolving door PMs")?

Very little to comment upon otherwise.
8860  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: Hillary Clinton and Whitewater on: July 23, 2007, 11:46:38 am
Oh how I long for the day of such simple scandles like whitewater and the days when perverted right wingers were fixated on Bill Clinton's sex life.  Nowadays we have torture, wars for profit on the backs of the tax payers, questionable terroist threats, politcal corruption to the max, a shrinkning middle class, forclosures at an all time high,  debt both personal and national, jobs going overseas due to tax and labor incentives, etc, etc.

All of the above are all the result of conservative policies.  But that's all Ok because for one, they are better Christians, two, chickenhawks are always better at running wars, and by golly, they aren't sissy Democrats........Right?  I thought so. 



You must be crazy if you think that Bush and his Republican Congress were conservative.

Then Colour me crazy... some people here have a very curious defintion of Conservative, usually meaning "Stuff I like" (If you consider yourself conservative) or "Stuff I don't like" (If you don't).. Though if you're going by shades of conservatism Bush is more in the De Gaulle-Chirac mode of Gaullism than traditional US style conservatism. (Not that I think there is a huge difference, at least in terms of aims.)

Whitewater (and Monicagate) are nothing compared to the last seven years, so only the partizan republicans will make this an issue I imagine.

Well, I can't really consider someone as spendthrift as Bush (and the GOP Congress) to be conservative.
Then technically Ronald Reagan wasn't a conservative.

Then technically there hasn't been a conservative president since.... Calvin Coolidge? Or maybe Grover Cleveland?

Conservatism has very little to do with goverment spending though. At least under the definitions common this side of the pond. (Again remember Chirac was part of the Conservative Party in France..)
8861  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceding poster's signature on: July 23, 2007, 11:38:25 am
I love the Confederacy but I think Cal Ripken is hugely overrated

Ehh... What does that have to do with my signature? Just asking. Tongue

Amusing Quotes. Miss HST though.
8862  General Discussion / History / Re: Rank the Presidents! on: July 22, 2007, 04:11:08 pm
Ranking people #1-#42 is pretty dumb, so I'd divide the Presidents in categories.

Evil, Malacious presidents[/u]
George W. Bush
Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
Woodrow Wilson
William McKinley
Andrew Jackson

Presidents who generally had a negative impact on the world and on the States[/u]
George HW. Bush
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
James Monroe
John Tyler
John Adams

Decent Presidents who were ruined by their Foreign Policies[/u]
Lyndon Johnson
Dwight Eisenhower
James Knox Polk
Theodore Roosevelt

Presidents who while not evil, were bumbling, corrupt and\or totally inept at the job[/u]
John Quincy Adams
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillimore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses S. Grant
Benjamin Harrison
Warren Harding
Gerard Ford (Though East Timor is tempting me to put him into the "evil" category)
Jimmy Carter

With Reservations[/u]
Abraham Lincoln
William Howard Taft
Harry S. Truman
John F. Kennedy
William Jefferson Clinton

Good Presidents[/u]
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Martin Van Buren (yes, yes I know it's strange given my anti-Jacksonness but that ranking was mainly for the "trail of tears". Domestically he's rather better than most.)
Chester A. Arthur
Grover Cleveland
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Too Short a period to Judge[/u]
William Henry Harrison
James Garfield

The Huh Category[/u]
Rutherford Hayes (generally negative due to his election, but what did he actually do???)

Missing anyone?
8863  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Supports Sex Ed for Kindergarten Students on: July 22, 2007, 03:48:34 pm
If they're going to be receiving the information any way I'd rather have them receive information that is accurate; instead of what they saw on the movie their mom and dad were watching that night or what little Jimmy told them his brother told him on the school bus.

Ha;f of the kids in these classes might not have heard anything though. Bringing in sex ed at such a young age then brings it to everyone and I don't think that's appropriate at such an age. I just don't agree with the mentality of "well they'll hear it anyway so let's just let them know now."

Comprehensive sex education and teen pregnancy tend to have an inverse relationship.  Schools in the northeast tend to have more comprehensive sex education programs, while schools in the south tend to teach abstinence-only programs.  The south has a MUCH higher teenage Pregnancy rate than the northeast, with the king of not teaching kids a damn thing about sex (Mississippi) leading the way.
The UK has plenty of sex ed, and the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the EU.

True. But so do the Netherlands and look at their teen pregnancy rate. In Ireland there is very little sex ed but teen pregnancies have been falling for the past five years. (Though it should be mentioned that there has been a large increase in Veneral diseases...) This is largely a cultural issue, structured sex ed has little to do with, unstructured sexual education definetly does, you after all start learning about the world around you from the moment you exit the womb...
8864  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Supports Sex Ed for Kindergarten Students on: July 22, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
I love assumption in this thread by both sides of the aisle here that "Education is the answer" - no, you're wrong, the best way to stop teens having sex is to make them socially awkard like me,

The last time you went after me you said it was sarcasm. Now you're just being an asshole.

Lol. I was actually referring to myself here. It's called self-deprecation. I do it alot. I'm not happy at the direction of my life, see.

Correction noted. I figured you were going after me since I was one of the main arguments against early sex ed.

If you read my post fully you would understand what I'm saying is that sex ed is in the end usually pointless and self-defeating... not that I think it should be rid of, but I really doubt it has much impact at all. I'd say social class and background are probably more important here (oh, and religious background too obviously).

Oh, and LOL @Alcon. Going to put that into the Comedy Goldmine..
8865  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many people have you ignored? on: July 22, 2007, 03:35:23 pm
Finally! Someone's ignoring me. Yay! I feel so loved. Smiley
8866  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Supports Sex Ed for Kindergarten Students on: July 22, 2007, 03:33:34 pm
I love assumption in this thread by both sides of the aisle here that "Education is the answer" - no, you're wrong, the best way to stop teens having sex is to make them socially awkard like me,

The last time you went after me you said it was sarcasm. Now you're just being an asshole.

Lol. I was actually referring to myself here. It's called self-deprecation. I do it alot. I'm not happy at the direction of my life, see.
8867  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Supports Sex Ed for Kindergarten Students on: July 22, 2007, 03:28:12 pm
I love assumption in this thread by both sides of the aisle here that "Education is the answer" - no, you're wrong, the best way to stop teens having sex is to make them socially awkard like me, or if that doesn't work - and if it does your kids will probably hate you for the rest of their lives - then just inject them with anti-testerestone\osterogen chemicals added with Ritalin, sure they will end up as zombies of the rest of their lives, but better that than engaging in unbibilical acts, no?
8868  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if you could travel back to the year 1910 ... on: July 22, 2007, 03:10:54 pm
Neither.  I'd buy a ticket to the United States, nead over to Princeton and kill its University's President (who was also candidate for Governor of New Jersey).

An Equally excellent choice I should add. Though better would have been killing the then writer of the Socialist Party Newspaper in Austro-Hungarian Trento, despite being somewhat of a partizan Italian nationalist.. Benito something I think his name was.
8869  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: President John Nance Garner? on: July 22, 2007, 03:07:14 pm
Garner would not even have run for that term in 1940, I don't think.

Yeah he never acted like he wanted the job. The better question is who would become the Democratic nominee in 1940.. In a bizarre way it might have ended up being Wendell Wilkie vs Arthur Vanderberg in 1940. (Surely Henry Wallace was too obscure at this stage? And Al Smith had long been discredited plus the Catholic problem so....)
8870  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you think both parties in the US.... on: July 22, 2007, 03:02:14 pm
Without a shadow of a doubt.

Hell, I'm looking forward to an arguement for something different in order so that I can rebuke it. (Anyone willing to play Devils advocate?)
8871  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World leaders survey on: July 22, 2007, 02:38:23 pm
Bump.

George W. Bush: Words can not express how I can disapprove.
Jaques Chirac: Bent Crook, thank god he is gone. So yeah, disapprove.
Tony Blair: Almost seemed a bit of an egomaniac. Some of his decisions were dubious in the least. So generally Disapprove.
Jose Zapatero: Somewhat neutral leaning approve.
Vladimir Putin: See Bush
Hugo Chavez: See Bush
Iyad Allawi: No longer relevant.
Ariel Sharon: Comatose, disapprove but he's not the palestinian baby eater which some portray.
Mahmoud Abbas: Generally disapprove
Osama bin Laden: See Bush (X1000)
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva: Lean approve
Islam Karimonv: See Osama Bin Laden (X10000)
Saparmurat Niyazov: Thank god he's dead
Fidel Castro: Strongly, Strongly disapprove - not the greatest of fans of the Florida-based opposition though, but is even less of a fan of Fidel and even worse is the "Cuba is a socialist paradise" bridage in the west - yes, I'm looking at you Finian McGrath.
Robert Mugabe: Now that Niyazov is dead, quite possibly the world's most evil man?
Kim Jong-Il: Oops, I stand Corrected (see above)
Hu Jintao: Strongly Disapprove
bandit73 (as he is president of New America): Care?

Ehud Olmert: Lean Disapprove
Gordon Brown: Still Unsure, want to see what he makes of the Iraq situation first. Good move on constitutional reforms though.
Romano Prodi: Unsure but far better than the other guy without a shadow of a doubt
Stephen Harper: Disapprove
Angela Merkel: Neutral
Shinzo Abe: Strongly Disapprove
Thabo Mbeki: Disapprove
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad: Are you sure he's not a cartoon character?
The Polish Twins: Strongly Disapprove
John Howard: Go Away
Nuri al-Maliki: Where to start? Not the greatest fan, but jesus there could be far worse.
Pervez Musharraf: See Nuri al-Maliki
Paul Martin: Don't really know much about him. Always in the shadow of Chreiten. A great Mediocrity I guess.
Ayatollah Khameimi: A vile human being
Ronald Reagan: A daft actor who belonged in an Old folks home, not the white house
Bill Clinton: Disapprove, but there has been far worse.
Franklin Roosevelt: Generally Approve
Joseph Stalin: Is this a Joke?
Winston Churchill: I have doubts about his sanity and ability, so really disapprove despite the historical legend
Benito Mussolini: See Stalin, Joseph

As you can see, there isn't much I approve of in the world. Tongue

8872  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The US is NOT a free market capitalist economy... its corporate-socialist... on: July 22, 2007, 02:20:14 pm
I love the abuse of the word "Socialist" in the thread title. Semi-Corporatist would be a better way phrasing it.. There was an interesting article in the Observer about the American Super Rich, claiming that levels of inequality in the US match those of Brazil - I don't know how true that is but it's not remotely linked to Socialism.

And yes, this is a disgrace and can't really be justified.

Sorry, but its government intervention in the economy. That's "socialist" in my book. Corporate-socialist aka fascist? yes. But still socialist.

Then again, I consider George W. Bush to be a "moderate Christian Socialist" (which Al vehemently disagrees with); perhaps 'weird corporatist-populist hybrid' is better, but still... It isn't capitalist - capitalists in currrent US politics consist of most Libertarians and a small minority of Republicans (one which Bush, Boehner, Kyl, and Stevens do not belong to, but Paul does). 

I'm sorry I think I just had a spasm of laughter there...

Again, Socialism does not equal state intervention or Statist. There is nothing "Socialist" about Corporate rights - rather state capitalist\corporatist (not "fascist" - which was this in extremis), if there was then some of the 17th Century\18th Century European Monarchies like Louis XIV in France would have been the most Socialist in History....
8873  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Turkey General Elections, 2007 on: July 22, 2007, 02:16:12 pm
Another regional. Diyarbakir (70.53% reporting):

BGMZ 47.56% (+46.21%)
AKP 41.78% (+25.82%)

Nobody else gets even 5%

For once, it seems, most Kurdish votes will not be wasted Smiley



Wouldn't this mean a lot of Kurdish votes (those for the BGMZ at least) would be wasted?  Although perhaps not a majority in Diyarbakir, if over 77.1% of the remaining 10.66% of the vote (or an additional 8.22% of the vote) went to the CHP, MHP or successful independent candidates.  It's interesting that fewer Kurdish votes have been wasted due to poorer performance of formal Kurdish parties.

To my knowledge this happens in every Turkish election. The reason the threshold is so high in the first place is mainly to keep the Kurds out iirc.

As you can well imagine, If I was Turkish there would no way I'd vote for any of the three parties which look like getting into Parliament...

Any idea on the Seat breakdown yet? AKP Majority or if not, Is a AKP-MHP coalition a possibility? (or at least a minority goverment..). This election has been a good example of the absurdity of having a 10% threshold (but we knew that already.)
8874  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ranking rights on: July 22, 2007, 02:10:10 pm
Individual Rights.

They are the only one to have "rights", although the rights to form governments, sub-governments, and corporations are among them.

Governments have no rights; their sole reason for existing is to protect the individuals under their purview from threats, internal and external, to mediate their disputes, and to otherwise provide a limited set of services deemed essential for their joint welfare.

Corporations, likewise, have one reason for existing: to profit the individuals who provide the corporation capital (the shareholders).

Neither have any rights, except those deemed necessary by the individuals that they consist of.

Of course this list depends on what exactly you define as "Rights".
8875  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ranking rights on: July 22, 2007, 02:02:23 pm
Individual




States (as in Subterriorities of the Larger terriority - the more decentralized the terriority, the greater it's rights.)






(X50)
Federal




(X1000)
Corporate (Can you please reserve the "Santa Clara Raliway" case, please. It really would do a lot of good for the world.)
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