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8926  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What's the last movie you've seen? on: December 29, 2007, 06:24:45 pm
Yeah, that's as puzzling as Gully Foyle's interpretations of movies.

Perhaps one day I should bore you to death on the significant of Pulp Fiction?
8927  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: who do you THINK will win the Democratic Iowa Caucuses? on: December 29, 2007, 06:22:44 pm
My gut is leaning towards a Clinton nomination with the republicans snatching it from defeat again in November because of "OMG HILLARY!!111"..

So Clinton just about will do it here.
8928  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Obama vs Romney on: December 29, 2007, 12:10:42 pm
If it's these two, Bloomberg will be running, so you should add him to the contest.

If I lived in the rural heartland of this country and I have to choose between a black and a Mormon, which one do you think I would choose?

And a black, a mormon and a Jew on the other hand..?
8929  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 29, 2007, 12:09:35 pm
Has a tendency to come across as Elitist - plus has in his signature logos supporting both Romney and Nixon (who I still can't believe there are some supporters left.. after all we know.) In other words; Not a good sign. Despite this, he is not a bad person in himself, though some of his surroundings may be.
8930  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceding signuture part 2? on: December 28, 2007, 06:39:56 pm
Patriotic in a left-wing way.
8931  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: State Your Positions on: December 28, 2007, 06:36:28 pm
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(Not that Gully wouldn't necessarily agree with this...)

Or say that it is a bad thing. Wink

Actually I don't see myself as totally unIrish; actually every day more and more I see myself as a patriot bemoaning how this country has occasionally been brought low by its people.

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But anyway pray tell, for my own education, so as I'll know when I see one...what is the typical Irish person like?

A red headed dwarf from Country Keareeee who says Beogorrah alot, obviously.
8932  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 06:32:34 pm
Depends, possibly an ex-Democratic Left, now a often discontented leftist Labour voter. I'd imagine certain leftist Independents like Seamus Healy (ex-Tipp S); Catherine Murphy (ex-Kildare N); Tony Gregory (Dublin Central) would appeal. Depends on constituency alot, to the point where a "Write-in: George Orwell" ballot might be cast as often as anything else. Grin


Hey, that's what I am thinking of doing during the Children's 'rights' referendum.

As for Jas, Independants - especially ones who scream "OMG TEH HOSPITAL!111" - seem the best choice, that or lawyers. You can always trust lawyers. Wink

EDIT - Oh, @Al:

Fianna Gael/Fine Fail

Was that a subtle Joke? 20 Brownie Points going your way if it was...
8933  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: After 400 year hiatus Catholicism is once again most popular in England on: December 28, 2007, 06:28:43 pm
Wow.. is church attendance really that low - I mean I knew it was miniscule; but less than a million Anglicans? Despite everything I find this hard to believe.

Ever been to a CofE service? Do that and you'll understand everything regarding this issue.

Oh and there are far more than a million Anglicans here. Just that the overwhelming majority have no interest in going to church every week more than, at most, once or twice a year (three times, maybe, in rural areas).

Never been to a CofE service; but have been to a CofI one and if the Church of Ireland is like its related counterpart (which is something I doubt..) then I could believe such figures.

I would agree with Lewis on church attendance btw. Figures of People calling themselves "christian" over here have hardly shifted at all in the past few decades; despite a dramatic decrease in church attendance. Not quite as low as in England; but considering that weekly attendance was at something like 90% 35 years ago or so.. 40% or lower can seem like it.
8934  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 03:46:17 pm
Is much bemused by his turn to Marxism as of late, not particularly surprising given the circumstances.
8935  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poll trend on Handgun possession on: December 28, 2007, 02:33:12 pm
Jas as someone with knowledge in Irish history, you should be aware what happened the last time a significant group of armed men (with common weapons) decided to take aim at a supposedly tyranical government. Though as I imagine most gun owners here major reason to owning a gun is "not getting killed" that route would not seem most desirable to them. Indivually alone the common gun owner is a flea near a massive vacuum cleaner when approached by the forces of the so-called "evil federal government".

Anyone else on Black helicopter watch?
8936  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Trying to calm myself down here. on: December 28, 2007, 02:28:21 pm
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Lessons to the West:  stop meddling in the internal affairs of foreign nations

What about those in the East who would quite like the West to meddle in their affairs; of which I think that number would include many Bhutto supporters.
8937  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: State Your Positions on: December 28, 2007, 02:19:59 pm
Briefly...

Abortion:

I support the right of women to choose to not have an abortion.

Iraq:

Any suggestion to improve the situation on my part would be swimming in ignorance; none of the options sound particularly good and the Americans have probably made too many enemies...

Tax Cuts:

Something I'm not particularly caring about at least with my country's tax rates. The favourite issue of the Greedmongers and the Misantropes imo.

Gun Control:

What America needs from the outside is less 'invisible' social control; gun control is an irrevelance to that (and probably unenforcable).

Education:

Should be focused on the development of Individual persona, not training children into a live of McJobs. Treating Education as an investment is the one thing which is likely to get me involved into a blazing row with someone.

Religion:

Is a very good idea; if it weren't many of the so-called holy people. While people here bang on about seperation of church and state what is also important to make sure that church - no individual church - can gain a monopoly on social service (from Irish experience this lead to very bad things such as the end of Seperation of church and State) which is why policies moving charity away from the government and into the sphere of 'faith' is a very, very bad idea.

Homeland Security:

Hire the Sioux nation; they pioneered the idea in America after all.

Other Civil Liberties:

Other?

Gay Marriage:

Is an issue entirely brought up to help Republicans win elections, the fact that this was a non-issue until it became an obvious vote grabber is forgotten. And I am favour in making gay\lesbian (why are lesbians never mentioned in the context of "gay marriage"?) marriage legal, not that I think all GLB people would find it that desirable, never mind straights.

Death Penalty:

Pretty much Barbaric and unnessecary.
8938  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: After 400 year hiatus Catholicism is once again most popular in England on: December 28, 2007, 02:06:39 pm
Wow.. is church attendance really that low - I mean I knew it was miniscule; but less than a million Anglicans? Despite everything I find this hard to believe.

The day is ours.

hate to shake you up, but you really need to visit England.  It is awash in accepting sexual immorality.  So, it doesn't seem to me that is practicing Catholic doctrine.

"For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord." (Jude 4)

Shockingly for everyone, Jmfcst is the first to mention "sexual immorality" in this thread.
8939  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 02:03:51 pm
Pray tell BRTD, who do you think I vote for, what my taste in Movies and Music is and most of all, what my politics are?

As for BRTD, he reminds me of all the late 70s hippies determined to show how much they hadn't "sold out" and became the man by flashing meaningless symbols and talking about debauchery.
8940  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 01:49:15 pm
Can be a bit too Stats-y and Party political at times; his signatures can amuse.
8941  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 01:48:07 pm
Even though he says otherwise I suspect Hawk would be a Fianna Fail voter most of the time. I can't imagine he would have much time for the liberals in the labour party and would probably see FG as too full of <trying to think of the right word... fails..> Petite Bourgeois types. Probably would not like the Progressive Democrats - but they have become less of an issue, supports the government policy in regards to having American troops in Shannon airport.

This is dependant on Hawk being born here; if not his British nationalism would lean him slightly towards FG. But its hard to tell really.
8942  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Did Nixon Sabotage The Peace Talks In 1968? on: December 28, 2007, 08:59:23 am
It's not even a debate any more; more an established fact. (Though how big an Impact Nixon and one of his leading agents on the ground - one H. Kissinger - had on the actual proceedings can be disputed. What is inarguable is that Nixon wanted to prolong the war so that he would win the election.)
8943  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 08:52:37 am
Doesn't seem to be a republican at all. But I think he recognizes that too now..
8944  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is Mike Naso a transgender? on: December 27, 2007, 08:34:35 pm
If Mike Naso of all people has a girlfriend, then truly the first sign of the apoclaypse is upon us.
8945  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Election Results Thread on: December 27, 2007, 08:33:35 pm

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For the record, this was the Greens' first second-place finish in a general election, and the first time any minor party has done so since the Democrats in the late 1980s in some Adelaide seats. (I think One Nation didn't manage second anywhere.)

Not true; The Democrats came with a whisker of winning the Division of Mayo in 1998.
8946  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following movies would you let your 10 year old watch? on: December 27, 2007, 08:29:49 pm
Very few of them *Officially*.

But if a 10 year old wanted to watch, say, Salo then I would be more intrigued than worried.
8947  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:17:47 pm
Hates both, and would by consequence probably not like the Greens or PD because  they joined the FF government. I would guess he'd vote either for Indies or some other small(er) party, although not SF methinks.

The Smaller parties here are insane and are mainly made out of 8 men in stolen grey overcoats sitting in a room obsessing with issues no-one in the name of all that is holy Jebus cares about. They are small for a reason - Campaign expenses are not high; money is not that big of an issue.

My opinions on the greens have gone under serious revision as of late; and then further serious revisions to those revisions. But yeah I dislike the Greens and I even further dislike the "Mary Harney reason for being party" (aka 'the PDs')

For you, I think the Fine Gael support does suit you.
8948  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:11:07 pm
None really. Hater of FF/FG.

Al is a curious case - simply because the type of causes he usually epouses don't really exist anymore in the Republic of Ireland: Farmers-Industrial Labourers. Once there was a great class of the former; but were extremely conservative (after they got ownership of their land from 1870s-1910s; "The Land War" period of our history might be something you would be interested in actually..) and insular and often in earlier periods of history trained many of their children, of which there were many, towards emigration and as for the latter, there has never been an industrial working class in the R of Ireland - even if the Dublin Slums c.1915 were among the worst in all of Europe class politics never really emerged after 1913.

Which explains the problems of the Labour party here. Which soon after independance acted really as more a trade unionist-conservative catholic subsidary to the major parties; or at least the party leadership did. (Most of the classic "labour" support really went over to Fianna Fail and has stayed there.) In 1950 it opposed a further nationalization of the health service as it opposed by the Catholic Church (long story..) and thus assumingly their voters; most of whom were small farmers and Agricultural labourers mainly based in Munster and occasional small town workers in ports and mining towns across Lenister (but not in Dublin) known for their conservatism and dedicated anti-communism; the party even split in 1940s in a competition between two sides to show which was more anti-communist.

In the 1960s its support in Dublin as increased as more "left-wing intellectuals" came into the party; who proved in government between 73-77 that they were not very left-wing or intellectual; the backing men in quite possibly the most right-wing government we have ever had; especially on civil liberties in an enviornment of internment, IRA violence and official policy of ignoring (or encouraging?) garda beatings of suspected 'terrorists'.

And nowadays it is pretty much an unoffensive alternative to FF even if they did go into coalition with them in 1992 after their leader pre-campaign described FF as "the cancer of Irish Society". Such is politics. They do better in Dublin in both Poorer and better-off areas; perhaps their old cottier-agricultural labourer no longer exists while the Soft left has exploded dramatically. Mary Robinson when running for President in 1990 forbid her staff from mentioning her Labour party credentials in her posters, etc - as it was felt that lower her chances down in the country; where in many parts Labour Party associated with Dublin Issues such as Abortion and contraception.

All of which is say nothing about the question, really just rant about the labour party. You would still vote for them, probably out of real alternatives - even if the tradition you espouse hasn't existed in Ireland since 1913 (if not 1881).
8949  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The War in Afghanistan on: December 27, 2007, 07:48:45 pm
Whether it was justified or not, it doesn't seem to be working.

I think it's a sad reflection on our society when we passively support one war mostly because it's not as visibly botched as another one.

Or is that just the media perception? How much Reports on Afghanistan do CNN, FOX, etc do these days anyway.

Excellent post. Fully agree btw.
8950  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should there be a master's degree in "Creation Science"? on: December 27, 2007, 07:47:14 pm
Creationism and the ideal of academica (note: The word "Ideal") are as so oppositely related that such an idea goes beyond the realm from what should be done. Give them their degrees of course but prohibit the use of the word "masters" or "Doctorate" and certainly don't give any legimatcy (Know I suppose you could do, say, a Biology MA in showing problems in the Theory of Evolution and offering potential situations, such as "Creation Science" but that is in a very different context.)
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