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8926  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poll trend on Handgun possession on: December 28, 2007, 02:33:12 pm
Jas as someone with knowledge in Irish history, you should be aware what happened the last time a significant group of armed men (with common weapons) decided to take aim at a supposedly tyranical government. Though as I imagine most gun owners here major reason to owning a gun is "not getting killed" that route would not seem most desirable to them. Indivually alone the common gun owner is a flea near a massive vacuum cleaner when approached by the forces of the so-called "evil federal government".

Anyone else on Black helicopter watch?
8927  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Trying to calm myself down here. on: December 28, 2007, 02:28:21 pm
Lessons to the West:  stop meddling in the internal affairs of foreign nations

What about those in the East who would quite like the West to meddle in their affairs; of which I think that number would include many Bhutto supporters.
8928  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: State Your Positions on: December 28, 2007, 02:19:59 pm


I support the right of women to choose to not have an abortion.


Any suggestion to improve the situation on my part would be swimming in ignorance; none of the options sound particularly good and the Americans have probably made too many enemies...

Tax Cuts:

Something I'm not particularly caring about at least with my country's tax rates. The favourite issue of the Greedmongers and the Misantropes imo.

Gun Control:

What America needs from the outside is less 'invisible' social control; gun control is an irrevelance to that (and probably unenforcable).


Should be focused on the development of Individual persona, not training children into a live of McJobs. Treating Education as an investment is the one thing which is likely to get me involved into a blazing row with someone.


Is a very good idea; if it weren't many of the so-called holy people. While people here bang on about seperation of church and state what is also important to make sure that church - no individual church - can gain a monopoly on social service (from Irish experience this lead to very bad things such as the end of Seperation of church and State) which is why policies moving charity away from the government and into the sphere of 'faith' is a very, very bad idea.

Homeland Security:

Hire the Sioux nation; they pioneered the idea in America after all.

Other Civil Liberties:


Gay Marriage:

Is an issue entirely brought up to help Republicans win elections, the fact that this was a non-issue until it became an obvious vote grabber is forgotten. And I am favour in making gay\lesbian (why are lesbians never mentioned in the context of "gay marriage"?) marriage legal, not that I think all GLB people would find it that desirable, never mind straights.

Death Penalty:

Pretty much Barbaric and unnessecary.
8929  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: After 400 year hiatus Catholicism is once again most popular in England on: December 28, 2007, 02:06:39 pm
Wow.. is church attendance really that low - I mean I knew it was miniscule; but less than a million Anglicans? Despite everything I find this hard to believe.

The day is ours.

hate to shake you up, but you really need to visit England.  It is awash in accepting sexual immorality.  So, it doesn't seem to me that is practicing Catholic doctrine.

"For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord." (Jude 4)

Shockingly for everyone, Jmfcst is the first to mention "sexual immorality" in this thread.
8930  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 02:03:51 pm
Pray tell BRTD, who do you think I vote for, what my taste in Movies and Music is and most of all, what my politics are?

As for BRTD, he reminds me of all the late 70s hippies determined to show how much they hadn't "sold out" and became the man by flashing meaningless symbols and talking about debauchery.
8931  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 01:49:15 pm
Can be a bit too Stats-y and Party political at times; his signatures can amuse.
8932  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 01:48:07 pm
Even though he says otherwise I suspect Hawk would be a Fianna Fail voter most of the time. I can't imagine he would have much time for the liberals in the labour party and would probably see FG as too full of <trying to think of the right word... fails..> Petite Bourgeois types. Probably would not like the Progressive Democrats - but they have become less of an issue, supports the government policy in regards to having American troops in Shannon airport.

This is dependant on Hawk being born here; if not his British nationalism would lean him slightly towards FG. But its hard to tell really.
8933  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Did Nixon Sabotage The Peace Talks In 1968? on: December 28, 2007, 08:59:23 am
It's not even a debate any more; more an established fact. (Though how big an Impact Nixon and one of his leading agents on the ground - one H. Kissinger - had on the actual proceedings can be disputed. What is inarguable is that Nixon wanted to prolong the war so that he would win the election.)
8934  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your opinion, in general, of the preceding poster? on: December 28, 2007, 08:52:37 am
Doesn't seem to be a republican at all. But I think he recognizes that too now..
8935  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is Mike Naso a transgender? on: December 27, 2007, 08:34:35 pm
If Mike Naso of all people has a girlfriend, then truly the first sign of the apoclaypse is upon us.
8936  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Australian Election Results Thread on: December 27, 2007, 08:33:35 pm

For the record, this was the Greens' first second-place finish in a general election, and the first time any minor party has done so since the Democrats in the late 1980s in some Adelaide seats. (I think One Nation didn't manage second anywhere.)

Not true; The Democrats came with a whisker of winning the Division of Mayo in 1998.
8937  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following movies would you let your 10 year old watch? on: December 27, 2007, 08:29:49 pm
Very few of them *Officially*.

But if a 10 year old wanted to watch, say, Salo then I would be more intrigued than worried.
8938  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:17:47 pm
Hates both, and would by consequence probably not like the Greens or PD because  they joined the FF government. I would guess he'd vote either for Indies or some other small(er) party, although not SF methinks.

The Smaller parties here are insane and are mainly made out of 8 men in stolen grey overcoats sitting in a room obsessing with issues no-one in the name of all that is holy Jebus cares about. They are small for a reason - Campaign expenses are not high; money is not that big of an issue.

My opinions on the greens have gone under serious revision as of late; and then further serious revisions to those revisions. But yeah I dislike the Greens and I even further dislike the "Mary Harney reason for being party" (aka 'the PDs')

For you, I think the Fine Gael support does suit you.
8939  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 08:11:07 pm
None really. Hater of FF/FG.

Al is a curious case - simply because the type of causes he usually epouses don't really exist anymore in the Republic of Ireland: Farmers-Industrial Labourers. Once there was a great class of the former; but were extremely conservative (after they got ownership of their land from 1870s-1910s; "The Land War" period of our history might be something you would be interested in actually..) and insular and often in earlier periods of history trained many of their children, of which there were many, towards emigration and as for the latter, there has never been an industrial working class in the R of Ireland - even if the Dublin Slums c.1915 were among the worst in all of Europe class politics never really emerged after 1913.

Which explains the problems of the Labour party here. Which soon after independance acted really as more a trade unionist-conservative catholic subsidary to the major parties; or at least the party leadership did. (Most of the classic "labour" support really went over to Fianna Fail and has stayed there.) In 1950 it opposed a further nationalization of the health service as it opposed by the Catholic Church (long story..) and thus assumingly their voters; most of whom were small farmers and Agricultural labourers mainly based in Munster and occasional small town workers in ports and mining towns across Lenister (but not in Dublin) known for their conservatism and dedicated anti-communism; the party even split in 1940s in a competition between two sides to show which was more anti-communist.

In the 1960s its support in Dublin as increased as more "left-wing intellectuals" came into the party; who proved in government between 73-77 that they were not very left-wing or intellectual; the backing men in quite possibly the most right-wing government we have ever had; especially on civil liberties in an enviornment of internment, IRA violence and official policy of ignoring (or encouraging?) garda beatings of suspected 'terrorists'.

And nowadays it is pretty much an unoffensive alternative to FF even if they did go into coalition with them in 1992 after their leader pre-campaign described FF as "the cancer of Irish Society". Such is politics. They do better in Dublin in both Poorer and better-off areas; perhaps their old cottier-agricultural labourer no longer exists while the Soft left has exploded dramatically. Mary Robinson when running for President in 1990 forbid her staff from mentioning her Labour party credentials in her posters, etc - as it was felt that lower her chances down in the country; where in many parts Labour Party associated with Dublin Issues such as Abortion and contraception.

All of which is say nothing about the question, really just rant about the labour party. You would still vote for them, probably out of real alternatives - even if the tradition you espouse hasn't existed in Ireland since 1913 (if not 1881).
8940  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The War in Afghanistan on: December 27, 2007, 07:48:45 pm
Whether it was justified or not, it doesn't seem to be working.

I think it's a sad reflection on our society when we passively support one war mostly because it's not as visibly botched as another one.

Or is that just the media perception? How much Reports on Afghanistan do CNN, FOX, etc do these days anyway.

Excellent post. Fully agree btw.
8941  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should there be a master's degree in "Creation Science"? on: December 27, 2007, 07:47:14 pm
Creationism and the ideal of academica (note: The word "Ideal") are as so oppositely related that such an idea goes beyond the realm from what should be done. Give them their degrees of course but prohibit the use of the word "masters" or "Doctorate" and certainly don't give any legimatcy (Know I suppose you could do, say, a Biology MA in showing problems in the Theory of Evolution and offering potential situations, such as "Creation Science" but that is in a very different context.)
8942  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Trying to calm myself down here. on: December 27, 2007, 07:32:44 pm
Complicated. But I doubt Musharrif will around for long. At least from what I've hearing; whether he is replaced by a leader in the right-wing section of the Military, an Islamic fundimentalist regime (unlikely unless rise to power co-insides with #1), a western style Democrat or former Prime Minister Sharif (okay.. pretty unlikely too.. but you never know.)

All the smart money is on #1. Which I suppose means that things will hot up in India in the next while.
8943  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Benazir Bhutto assassinated. on: December 27, 2007, 07:28:52 pm
What a blow to Democracy.

Some of the comments like the above show a lack of knowledge (or perhaps a belief in Bhutto being one of those "lesser of X amount of evils"; one of the reasons like the world is in the state is in is that we can't stop choosing between evils.) Bhutto's government in the early 90s was corrupt beyond any western or even local standard and achieved nothing of legaslative note all the while the events which were to lead to the Military coup in 1999 roared on. Not to mention her role in Pakistani Foreign policy; perhaps slightly more enlighted than some of her predeccesors or successors - but how hard is that?

Despite all this, RIP.

People need to remember what country this happend in. Things in Pakistan have a habit of being, how shall we say, linked? It would be very surprising if some form of Islamists weren't involved and it would also be surprising if some elements of the "security" services weren't involved at some level.
Should also be noted that likely collusion by elements (rouge or not) of the "security" services isn't the same thing as Musharraf likely being involved. There's a good chance that he'll be next.

This is very true. And that last bit is the more worrying.
8944  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: your favorite area of political study? on: December 27, 2007, 07:20:18 pm
Whatever area happens to pique and further my belief in the death of Irish Society.
8945  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Another disturbing revelation on: December 27, 2007, 07:17:13 pm
So, J. Edgar Hoover was a quasi-fascist madman cross-dresser whose policies were driven by bizarre personal vendettas and who welded a scary amount of power over the president of the United States?

This is News now. Welcome to the 70s. Again.
8946  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Gravel does it again! on: December 27, 2007, 07:12:08 pm
Wow. I thought nothing could beat the Classic "Rock" ad but I was wrong; those are simply the greatest ads in the history of Mankind.
8947  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Rudy Giuliani an enemy of the Constitution? on: December 27, 2007, 07:07:14 pm
Probably. But who cares? The consitution is just a piece of paper anyway.

The real question is "Is Rudy Giuliani an enemy of the Human Race?" and I think on the conclusive evidence, we can all say 'yes'.
8948  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Appropriate Irish political party for the preceding poster? on: December 27, 2007, 07:03:53 pm
Fine Gael.

Funny I this thread was originally posted during my week plus hiatus from the boards; though I don't plan on staying very long. It is just that today has been slow and depressing.

I think most people on here would be FF\FG voters; though to disinguish between the two is sometimes difficult especially for a foreigner; to identity one as a classic FF or FG voting type often requires to understand bizarre nuances which only Irish people skilled in some dark art of political knowledge comprehend. Some are obvious, like Don who would clearly transfer his love of the GOP over to the Fianna Fail. He often comes across as the type who had been born in Ireland had a Fianna Fail voting for all time Granddaddy from County Kerry; who during the civil war shot three free state cows outside of Killorgin for their treachery.. But I digress.

I tend to agree with Jas; Over the past six months my opinion of Fine Gael whatever it was; has gone down quite a bit.
8949  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Ron Paul's Boston Tea Party Anniversary Money Extravaganza! on: December 17, 2007, 05:40:27 am
If you've never played Pokemon on a Gameboy, do not watch this. If you have, prepare for one of the most amazing videos you've ever seen: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RLuySLO9IQ8

Just when I thought nothing could further reinforce every single cliche I have about Ron Pauls supporters; this comes up. Wow.
8950  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress reminds us that Christians are awesome. on: December 16, 2007, 08:44:48 pm
Way back in the days of Shakespeare, anti-Semitism was rampant; Jews were shunned, were routinely portrayed in hideous caricatures, were forced to wear a red hat to identify themselves, were forced to live in a ghetto to keep them away from good Christian folk, were barred from owning land or entering the professions

Not quite true; well some of it is but only in certain areas and yes Anti-semitism was rampant during this period. But what is important to realize that the reason why Jews became associated with certain professions - ie. Banking, certain types of small business - was due to the Catholic church's ban on Usury (ie. Lending money at interest) during the Middle ages, but as there was demand for a such service the biggest non-Catholic minority were those who were advantaged. This is where the whole "Jewish Bankers" stereotype (and not the only one) comes in.

Of course by the time of the Nazis; all that was only a truth in history. Only the Rothschilds (who weren't medevil) were left; didn't stop alot of anti-semitism spreading from generation to generation (as alot of anti-semitism, though not all of it - far from it, is often associated with a rejection of what can be seen as "urban values".)

All this does not o\c mean that DWDL is not a deluded plank who should move to somewhere East-St Louis pronto.
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