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8926  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: How old is Romney? on: July 21, 2007, 06:25:37 pm
Well clearly acting like a childish immature self-satisfied idiot has never worked before in a US presidential election.
8927  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / Re: 33 Questions About American History You're Not Supposed to Ask on: July 21, 2007, 06:17:31 pm
What were some of the questions?

They were questions along these lines:
*Did capitalism really cause the Great Depression?
*Was the Civil War really all about slavery?
*Do the historians rankings of the presidents matter?
*Did the Indians really live in harmony with nature?
*Did the Founding Fathers support immigration?
*Did Hoover really just sit back and do nothing during the Great Depression?
*Was the Wild west really that wild?
*Is states' rights really just a codeword for racism?


Basically as I know the Author off some of his article at that Rothbardian nut house LewRockwell.com I will summarize this book without even reading it:

Capitalism = Awesome
Founding Fathers = Did nothing wrong. ever. Unless they were Federalists. In which they were Satanist. But not as big a satanist as Abe Lincoln.
Abe Lincoln was the devil incarnate
Abe Lincoln hated America
Free Market = Solution to all the world's problems
TEH CONFEDRATES = FREEDOM FIGHTERS WHO DIDN'T HARM ANYONE
Jefferson was a true freedom fighter that's why he kept Slaves
Abe Lincoln 'liberated' the south in order to enslave the southern whites.
States Rights = Awesome, almost as awesome as the Free market, and never at all abused
Abe Lincoln was evil. But not as evil as FDR
OMG BIG GOVERMENT
HAHAHAHA LEFTISTS YOU SUCK, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS FDR
8928  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which theory is more plausible? on: July 21, 2007, 06:10:39 pm
Also, I find not only the theory to be wrong, but the entire premise that socialism is justifiable because of it.

Shouldn't that read "Also, As the entire premise is that is socialism is justifiable because of it, I find the theory wrong"?

Come on, we all know that's why most libertarians have doubts on the Greenhouse effect. It's their putting ideology above science. (And I repeat I believe there are good reasons to doubt TGE from what I've read.)
8929  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: Hillary Clinton and Whitewater on: July 21, 2007, 06:00:30 pm
Oh how I long for the day of such simple scandles like whitewater and the days when perverted right wingers were fixated on Bill Clinton's sex life.  Nowadays we have torture, wars for profit on the backs of the tax payers, questionable terroist threats, politcal corruption to the max, a shrinkning middle class, forclosures at an all time high,  debt both personal and national, jobs going overseas due to tax and labor incentives, etc, etc.

All of the above are all the result of conservative policies.  But that's all Ok because for one, they are better Christians, two, chickenhawks are always better at running wars, and by golly, they aren't sissy Democrats........Right?  I thought so. 



You must be crazy if you think that Bush and his Republican Congress were conservative.

Then Colour me crazy... some people here have a very curious defintion of Conservative, usually meaning "Stuff I like" (If you consider yourself conservative) or "Stuff I don't like" (If you don't).. Though if you're going by shades of conservatism Bush is more in the De Gaulle-Chirac mode of Gaullism than traditional US style conservatism. (Not that I think there is a huge difference, at least in terms of aims.)

Whitewater (and Monicagate) are nothing compared to the last seven years, so only the partizan republicans will make this an issue I imagine.
8930  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of 2 preceding posters is more likely to be a fake account? dead? on: July 21, 2007, 05:56:19 pm
Earl.. Because he hates TEH GREEEN PARRTEE OMG LOL!11
8931  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Hillary's vice president would/will be .......? on: July 21, 2007, 05:51:35 pm
I imagine whomever the Dem Presidential pick is, the VP will be someone obscure, likeable and not really at the forefront of the campaign - in order to contrast with Cheney.
8932  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: What is The demographic in this forum on: July 21, 2007, 12:15:01 pm
The war that many Democrats voted for in the first place?
Not a majority

33% or so Democrats in the House voted for the war and 60% or so in the Senate if I recall that correctly, while 98% of the Republicans in the House as well as 98% in the Senate voted for it.

I should have rephrased that as leading Democrats - In 2004 out of the candidates who had a chance at the Nomination Dean was the only anti. Obama deserves great credit of opposing the war at the start but he wasn't a major figure in 2003 so that point is moot.

Anyway the issue here isn't only the war, If I was an American I'd be pretty disguisted at the political system (even more so than I presently am in Ireland...) and refuse to vote for either them, unless there was a congressiol rep\senator I happened to like. Both parties lack intregrity, and that's almost as important to me than ideology.
8933  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if you could travel back to the year 1910 ... on: July 21, 2007, 11:43:43 am
No, as the first world war was inevitable by this point. If not the assasination then some other minor event would have sparked it off. Plus the Balkans was a war zone well before 1914.

Rather I'd prefer to go back in time and injure Franz Ferdinand before going Sarajevo.. he might have been able to keep some more of the Austro-Hungarian Empire together had he became Emperor in 1916. (Though some dissolution was totally inevitable well before then.)
8934  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: What is The demographic in this forum on: July 21, 2007, 11:40:13 am
The war that many Democrats voted for in the first place? The war that many democrats are still funding (think about what ended the Vietnam war for a minute)? The war whose opposition by many leading Democrats is really about political viability than actually Saving lives?

Anyway at this point the troops staying really is the lesser of two rather nasty evils.

EDIT: This has gone rather OT...
8935  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Battle of the opebo quotes pt. 1 on: July 21, 2007, 11:28:58 am
Quote B is true.

Max Hardcore is such a freedom fighter compared to Martin Luther King, I know.
8936  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: What is The demographic in this forum on: July 21, 2007, 11:26:21 am
80%.

I'm not American so I can't vote for the Democrats.. and I don't think I would if I was.

Yeah, because as your God St. Ralph said, the two parties are identical in every way, and that's soooo obvious, right? There's NO difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

Roll Eyes

Did you ever notice how difficult it is to find an American leftist in support of Nader and who would make that claim?

Ehh.. "God" St Ralph... Pardon, What? Nader discredited himself in 2004 by running as the Reform party nominee.. he's hardly my hero. But the reaction he got for exercising his rights and he had a serious and different platform to either major candidate in 2000 was waaayyyyy over the top. I never said there was no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. But often there is no difference in the issues I really care about. Which is slightly different.
8937  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Battle of the opebo quotes pt. 1 on: July 21, 2007, 08:36:38 am
Option A describes Opebo's mental state very well and so I have to plump for that one.
8938  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Sexual Orientation II on: July 21, 2007, 08:25:21 am
Probably 7. Any homosexual tendancies I may have been born with are too weak to overcome societal influences.

Ja.

I do think that 6 or even 5 is probably "normal," as opposed to 7.  Opebo was probably onto something with that "hole is a hole" thing.

The idea of having sex with a guy brings up some nausea (physical and psychological) that I doubt I was born with.

Otherwise, I have no idea if I'd be 100% straight.  Although penises are really gross, societal influences aside.

I concur. Though I've sometimes looked at pictures of the faces of effeminate men (and not realizing so) and thinking "she's pretty hot".... whatever that indicates.
8939  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Just curious... on: July 21, 2007, 08:22:35 am
I believe I'm wrong 90% of the time (though I'm not sure WHICH 90%) so basically I go upon my intregrated worldview.. which is often just a mix-match of Prejudices and moronic opinions with a little bit of sense in there. Somewhere. I think most people are the same.
8940  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: What is The demographic in this forum on: July 21, 2007, 08:18:05 am
80%.

I'm not American so I can't vote for the Democrats.. and I don't think I would if I was.
8941  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Who do you THINK will win the Democratic nomination? on: July 20, 2007, 07:50:57 pm
Howard Dean is clearly a shoe-in for the nomination..

Oh, hang on..
8942  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Barack Obama is doomed on: July 20, 2007, 07:30:42 pm
My Curtains are yellow.

I want your autograph.

Can I have it?

Yes.

G U L L I V E R  F O Y L E

I am sure you are happy. Oh I've noticed some grey dust growing on the corner of my windows.. Oh, and look it's half one in the morning great I think I'm going to eat some grapes.
8943  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which party would the previous poster have voted for in the past 5 UK elections? on: July 20, 2007, 07:28:38 pm
1987: Conservative
1992: Conservative
1997: Liberal Democrats
2001: Liberal Democrats
2005: Conservative
8944  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama says "Let them die." on: July 20, 2007, 07:21:47 pm
The amount of Partizan hackery in this thread is unbelievable.
8945  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Barack Obama is doomed on: July 20, 2007, 07:18:02 pm
Wow. I just happen to be wearing Black socks.. That's amazing.

I'm Drinking Sparkling Water as we speak. And I'm looking outside my window and can see exactly 7 moving cars. Isn't life wonderful?

7 cars?  That's actually really interesting because when I print out pictures on my printer, it keeps leaving streaks.  I think I might need more ink, I might be running low.  Or maybe I just need to dress up for Halloween this year?  I'm thinking of going as the Bionic Woman.  What about you?  Do you prefer your orange juice with or without pulp?

Pulp is dull, Orange juice without pulp is tasty - if more prepackaged, I think it's a shame what big faceless corporations do these days. You're running out of Ink? Well so am I. No need to dress up on Halloween though if you must go as a werewolf - no-one's ever done that before. It rains alot in Dublin. My Curtains are yellow.
8946  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Barack Obama is doomed on: July 20, 2007, 03:52:32 pm
Cool. Do you also happen to like cheese. Smiley

No, but I like Star Wars.

And I just happen to be wearing red socks.

Wow. I just happen to be wearing Black socks.. That's amazing.

I'm Drinking Sparkling Water as we speak. And I'm looking outside my window and can see exactly 7 moving cars. Isn't life wonderful?
8947  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following are immoral? on: July 20, 2007, 03:44:30 pm
Assume in all cases the person is running a legitimate business and following the laws regulating it:

-Opening a liquor store on an Indian Reservation. no, but it is retarded. And shows the opener to be  who doesn't care about society
-Opening a gun store in a poor, crime-ridden black neighborhood. no, but see above
-Opening a casino in a very poor area. no, but see #1
-Opening a store that mostly sells products that can be used to make meth in a state with lax laws on the sales and tracking of such products just across the border from a border town with a huge meth problem in a state with strict laws on such products. no, not really
-Opening a liquor store a few feet outside of the boundaries of an Indian Reservation that has banned alcohol sales. Of course not
-Opening a strip club a few feet outside of the municipal limits of a small town that has zoning laws effectively preventing strip clubs, which still places it nearby several residential areas. no
-Opening a gun store that only sells handguns and assault rifles, not weapons that can be used for hunting. Not Immoral, but truly ridiculous
-Selling salvia at your store Why would it be?
-Owning a clothing store, and deciding to change your selection to deliberately cater to gang colors. No, but your business is probably dead if you have to choose that option.
-Opening a store that sells Che shirts in the middle of a mostly Cuban neighborhood. No
8948  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Going into Election Night 2000, who did you expect to win? on: July 20, 2007, 03:15:47 pm
In both 2000 and 2004 I had a very strong feeling Bush would win. Especially in 2004, I just struggled to imagine JFK II as president.
8949  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Barack Obama is doomed on: July 20, 2007, 03:14:13 pm
I lived in Gwinnett County most of my life.  It is pretty strong Republican territory, but it is, at the same time, becoming much more moderate.

I've read all 6 Harry Potter books, seen the movies, and have ordered the 7th book from Amazon, so it'll be here tomorrow (....yay!...).  I remember when the last book came out, the local Borders book store had a midnight thing to buy the book the minute it was released....the place was completely packed.  The lady trying to get the books banned in no way represents the rest of population of the county, trust me.

Cool. Do you also happen to like cheese. Smiley

For the record, I've lived in County Dublin all my life but will be moving out to Kildare for College in the Autumn. The area around is pretty politically mixed between Fianna Fail and Anti-Fianna Fail, with AFF with a slight majority - typical of South Dublin Middle Class Suburbia. (Yay!) I've never really liked Harry Potter so I don't care about all the fuss (ehh.. yay.. maybe) - read the first book when I was about 11 and never read any since. Never seen any of the films. Maybe I'm missing out.. So far I've never heard of anyone wanting to ban the book here. But then again the ultra-catholic right have pretty much retreated to their caves except to write letters to newspapers about sex and swearing. They're funny people as you ignore them. And don't represent anyone but themselves.
8950  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: (D-IL) Senator Bill Obama, 45 year old white liberal on: July 19, 2007, 05:41:26 pm
It seems no-one wants to discuss cheese...

Everyone's feeding the other guy instead. *sigh*
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