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8926  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: How would you have voted in Canadian elections? on: August 01, 2007, 05:00:28 pm
CCF/NDP until 1993. In 1993 probably Liberal (but I wouldn't have voted against an NDP incumbent), from 1997 onwards usually NDP... but it would depend on the candidates (ie; had a been a voter in Beaches-East York I would not have voted for the lunatic the NDP ran. And so on).

Info on this lunatic?
8927  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: How would you have voted in Canadian elections? on: August 01, 2007, 04:48:33 pm
Almost certainly Liberal from the 1950s-1980.

1984 and 1988 - No idea.
1993 - Liberals.
1997 - Perhaps the Liberals again, or maybe the NDP
2000 - Greens
2004 - Greens
2006 - Greens
8928  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Rank the Prime Ministers of Canada on: August 01, 2007, 04:47:03 pm
Trudeau does have that love-hate relationship with Canadians. I personally thought he was a great PM, which is why he's #1. Pearson was also a great PM, thanks to the fact he had a minority.

Feel free to rate the Irish and British PMs too Smiley


Yay! Feel the Pearson love. Smiley

Anyway I will now highjack this thread in order to rank the Taoisigh (a separate thread would get no replies other than Jas' - to be fair, he would be the only one who knew what I would be talking about...)

1. John Bruton (FG-Coalition 1994-1997) - Odd Choice, but I generally think he was the most capable of our Taoisigh. And never a real party hack either.
2. Sean Lemass (Fianna Fail 1959-1966) *- In reality is the best probably, but my own personal biases against FF preclude him from being number 1. That and the media bullying, and the arrogance, and being a background man of De Valera before his time.
3. WT Cosgrave (Cumann Na nGaedhael 1922-1932) - The founder of the Republic, but what a republic it was. (ie. a Failure). More than any other politician I can think of the Phrase "He did alot of good and alot of bad for the country" is totally and utterly appropriate. Though technically his title was "President of the Executive Council" not Taoiseach, that would only come in in 1937; so don't correct me Jas. Tongue
4. John A. Costello (FG-Coalition 1948-1951; 1954-1957)
5. Albert Reynolds (Fianna Fail-Coalition 1992-1994)
6. Garret Fitzgerald (FG-Coalition 1981-1982(Feb); 1982(nov)-1987) - My personal favourite of all the Taoisigh, but a complete failure at the role. But then the state we were in in the 1980s it's somewhat forgivable. A real honest list would have him below #7.
7. Bertie Ahern (Fianna Fail Coalition 1997- End of Time )
8. Jack Lynch (Fianna Fail 1966-1973; 1977-1979) Would be alot higher if not his second period in office after 1977...
9. Liam Cosgrave (FG-Coalition 1973-1977) Alot of potential; such a pity.
10. Eamonn De Valera (Fianna Fail 1932-1948; 1951-1954; 1957-1959).. Don't get me started.
11. Charles Haughey (Fianna Fail 1979-1981; 1982(Feb-Nov); 1987-1992).. Really, the list will could go on and on and on.....

EDIT: To include Liam Cosgrave...
8929  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Who are you supporting for President of the United States? August 2007 on: August 01, 2007, 11:38:57 am
The last option.
8930  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Obama might send troops into Pakistan on: August 01, 2007, 11:36:51 am
Isn't Obama supposed to be anti-war, or is he only anti-war when its covenient for his political career?

He's anti-war in relation to Iraq.

Do you not see the inconsistency there?

I don't. At least if the function of sending troops to Pakistan is in order to hunt down Al-Qaeda members.

Of course that doesn't mean I think sending US troops into Pakistan is a very good idea, but that's a different matter entirely.
8931  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Obama might send troops into Pakistan on: August 01, 2007, 11:28:39 am
Isn't Obama supposed to be anti-war, or is he only anti-war when its covenient for his political career?

Isn't everyone doing it for political gain?  Just another show that I could do a better job handling foreign policy being a partizan hack than Barack Osama

Fixed your Post. Smiley
8932  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poster most similar to the previous poster on: August 01, 2007, 11:26:56 am
MaC
8933  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Aliens on: August 01, 2007, 11:24:53 am

Or, a civilization has the technology to send a small exploration group with the capacity to grow/create their own food supplies and is willing to reproduce while traveling, knowing that their children, grandchildren, etc will grow up never knowing what it is like to have seen their home world.  Of course, you then risk the medical side-effects of inbreeding, so who knows how healthy these individuals are by the time the find another planet with life on it.

Also you have to take into effect if you send huge generation ships, with 10,000 or more people on them, 650 years is plenty of time for civilization to collapse and for the population to revert to barbarism.

Lucky then that science is making such leap and bounds in human hibernation science

I voted option three. No-one more than me would like to see contact with another intergalatic civilisation (if we call the mess that is our home a civilisation) but realistically the odds are very short. Wixted put it very clearly I think.
8934  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you agree with the preceding poster's statement? on: August 01, 2007, 09:18:57 am
Ehhhhh... No. Well Truman, Maybe. But Reagan... Ahhh <Cue Autorant>


One of the requisites of sanity is to disagree with the majority of the British public.
8935  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Nick Cohen and Johann Hari... on: August 01, 2007, 09:14:23 am
In Ireland the hypocrisy was even worse, not only was our Stop the War led not only by the SWP (which is just as bad as in Britain, if not even more comical due to it's contest disputes with the JPF socialist party, but also Sinn Fein and many Irish Republicans were leading the Anti-war charge. Now a peace rally led by the IRA, that's something to behold..
8936  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Could quality education solve most of America's domestic problems? on: August 01, 2007, 09:11:22 am
Well I don't think anyone is saying there is a silver bullet....the problem of how to make education better is an extremely complex and difficult one.

But I think it's hard to come up with a political problem that wouldn't greatly benefit from people being better educated and better informed.

But generally speaking the people who badly need to better educated and better informed are often the people less likely to pay much attention to their schooling (and again, we should not mix up schooling with Education.)
8937  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many people live in your county? on: August 01, 2007, 09:00:20 am
1,186,821 according to Wikipedia.
8938  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Aliens on: August 01, 2007, 06:10:02 am
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Carl Sagan


Is Sagan a Christian?

Ummm... No.

Of course Sagan was an atheist, but StatesRights wants to apply the statement to God.

I figured it as much. Of course that statement could well apply to all religions, or for the Flying Spaghetti monster...
8939  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Aliens on: August 01, 2007, 05:24:48 am
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Carl Sagan


Is Sagan a Christian?

Ummm... No.

The only answer that can be given to this question is: Probably.
8940  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you agree with the preceding poster's statement? on: August 01, 2007, 05:21:35 am
That's not really nice to think about... So I'll say no.

Homophobia is gay.
8941  General Discussion / History / Re: Rank the Presidents! on: August 01, 2007, 05:19:20 am

14   3 Nov 1783 - 13 Dec 1783   Daniel Carroll(acting)   (A O C)   (b. 1730 - d. 1796)


Wow, so we had a Catholic President way back in the day... I find that rather stunning.  Then again, the Founders were a bit more Enlightened than the Evangelicals who would come after them.

IIRC, Anti-Catholicism only became a big matter in America in the 19th Century with the influx of Irish immigrants...
8942  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Rank the Prime Ministers of Canada on: August 01, 2007, 05:15:25 am
Can only do Post-Laurent I'm afraid.

1) L.B Pearson, Liberal
2) Pierre Trudeau, Liberal
3) Jean Chretien, Liberal
4) Diefenbaker, Progressive Conservative
5) Clark, Progressive Conservative
6) Martin, Liberal
7) Campbell, Progressive Conservative
8 ) Turner, Liberal
9 ) Mulrooney, Progressive Conservative
10) Harper, Conservative

Forgot about Turner. Not that he really matters anyway.

Now how about "Rank the Taoisigh (Irish PMs)" thread. Wink
8943  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you cross a picket line? on: July 31, 2007, 07:19:54 pm
I've never seen a picket line in person.  It would depend on what I thought about the picketers and the picketee.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^ (partially)

Hard to envisage I situation I would though. I don't think of it as a very honourable thing to do...
8944  General Discussion / History / Re: Libertarians: Who is your favorite president? on: July 31, 2007, 07:15:45 pm
Clinton was much more a libertarian than Reagan ever was.

But of the post-Civil war presidents only Cleveland, and possibly Harding and Coolidge (and then not on foreign policy) would count as libertarians.

Didn't Cleveland's economic policies cause some kinda "Great Depression"?

Depends on which economist you talk to. But "The Great Panic" began in 1893, only at the start of Cleveland's Second term which pretty much ended the non-stop growth of the post-civil war period.. where the Republicans had been in power for all but Cleveland's first term (and Andrew Johnston, if he counts). To blame, GC alone for it would be ridiculous. That isn't of course to say his policies weren't a factor, in the same way Coolidge's policies might have been responsible on some level for the great depression.
8945  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Rasmussen: Kucinich trails both Giuliani and Thompson on: July 31, 2007, 05:19:55 pm
Kucinich is doing this well against Giuliani and Thompson? wtf?

Right now it's pretty much a D Vs. R map right now and fewer people knowing him.

Not Really. As an outsider it really doesn't look good for Giuliani if he can't break 50% in a poll against Kucinich before all the hates ad come in. (Thompson at least doesn't really have such high name recognition.)

I'd like to see a Mike Gravel poll.
8946  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should masturbation be legal. on: July 31, 2007, 05:17:49 pm

Read again Al, somebody, indicating a single individual and (s)he does in private. Somebody does not imply more than one individual, rather it does the opposite - therefore excluding Wife-beating from what somebody can do in private (unless this person happens to be a wife, and beats herself up.... )

So there, smartarse. Tongue
8947  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Nick Cohen and Johann Hari... on: July 31, 2007, 03:07:55 pm
P.S: Al, have you read the book?

Bits. And I've agreed with most of those bits.

Will probably buy it (and then read the whole thing) fairly soon; I've not done so yet (despite attacks on middle class trendy-lefties being music to my ears) because I can't quite stop thinking of Cohen as being the hard-left oddball he was a few years ago.

He still is an oddball, he is only really respected now by people who wouldn't agree with him about much other than that he slags off the right people (e.g. the anti-war lobby), and also by those on the left who can overlook his stance on the Iraq war to issues on which he provides a more sensible contribution.

Also, I have a query regarding remarks about "middle class trendy-lefties" like those you make sometimes:

Is your problem with them based on the assumption that if one is middle class then one cannot be genuinely left-wing, and only therefore must being doing it only because it's trendy"?". Is the problem that they are middle class, or that they are leftie or trendy?

If it is the last one I agree, given there are loads of people whose leftism is so obviously an ill thought out image (e.g. a certain sex-obsessed poster from MN who seems to be moving in a path that will become similar to Cohen's IMO).

However, sometimes I worry that you actually believe that someone from a middle-class background cannot be left-wing, and almost imply that you'd rather they be on the right..

(Apologies if any of that sounded rude)

Hooray! Smiley
8948  Election Archive / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign / Re: CNN: California could sway 2008 on: July 31, 2007, 12:31:54 pm
I'd support it.

And not just CA, but every other state as well.

Ford would have won in 1976 had this been in place..
8949  General Discussion / History / Re: Libertarians: Who is your favorite president? on: July 31, 2007, 12:21:39 pm
Clinton was much more a libertarian than Reagan ever was.

But of the post-Civil war presidents only Cleveland, and possibly Harding and Coolidge (and then not on foreign policy) would count as libertarians.
8950  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poster most similar to the previous poster on: July 31, 2007, 12:17:14 pm
Opebo
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