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8926  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: WalterMitty vs. The Humble Men on: November 19, 2007, 12:20:33 pm
I find it ironic that the 'Humble Men' consist of Arrogant Children.
8927  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Bobby Sands on: November 19, 2007, 12:20:10 pm
Wow. This is odd even for you. Pray tell me, what do you know about Bobby Sands?

Of course, here I stood point that Bobby Sands is of course the very defintion of a horrible person (Well no actually, that would be Michael Stone actually.)
8928  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Americans Will Spend Less $$$ This Holiday Season on: November 19, 2007, 12:11:59 pm
Yeah seriously. This reminds me of a poll of Minnesota college students that said something like 34% are in debt. Uh, college students? Try well over twice that.

I imagine That depends on whether you counting Tuition costs as debt (though I would need to know how the system operates in the US to be sure). Though even without tuition fees student debt is way, way too common here.

As for Mortgages, the tradition as far as I know is not lump them in with consumer debt (unless in the situations Verily stated).

Also, LOL @ the poll.
8929  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How would you have voted on California's Proposition 38? on: November 19, 2007, 12:07:04 pm
Nay. Obviously.
8930  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the man in my signature on: November 19, 2007, 12:05:31 pm
BRTD, you are a funny man.
8931  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is it hilarious and fitting that Phillip Morris funds thetruth.com? on: November 19, 2007, 09:11:41 am
BRTD, why not simply read Philip Morris' website?

http://www.philipmorrisusa.com/en/health_issues/default.asp

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Philip Morris USA agrees with the overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema and other serious diseases in smokers. Smokers are far more likely to develop serious diseases, like lung cancer, than non-smokers. There is no safe cigarette.

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Philip Morris USA agrees with the overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking is addictive. It can be very difficult to quit smoking, but this should not deter smokers who want to quit from trying to do so.

Yes but they among the last ever to admit that.
8932  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you believe in global warming? on: November 19, 2007, 08:59:28 am
I am not qualified to make my own opinions

So no answer is correct. I am though very skeptical about the whole Global warming movement.
8933  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Guy Picciotto/Straha vs. Gully Foyle/gporter on: November 18, 2007, 04:55:13 pm
LOL.

Never figured myself to be in with gporter.

Write In: Nader\Suburbs.
8934  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Green Party any less corrupt than the two major ones? on: November 18, 2007, 04:50:36 pm
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How can a rank and file member of a party not in power be corrupt?

I mean Corrupt individuals; or individuals that could possibly be corrupt in power. I suspect there is alot more of those in the Democrats or Republicans than in the Greens (or the Libertarians or the Constitutionalists; who probably have the smallest level of corruption of all, unless we bring sex into the equation - in which case the highest). That is the "nature of the big beast".
8935  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Green Party any less corrupt than the two major ones? on: November 18, 2007, 04:47:52 pm
In general though Joe is Right. Also I suspect due to the nature of many Green Party activists that there is less corruption among the party's rank and file than than the "big two" but I suspect that is true for nearly all third parties.

Per capita, the Green Party is the most corrupt party in Minneapolis, with 50% of its elected officials now in jail for corruption, with the Democrats second. The Minneapolis Republican Party is not corrupt at all, but that's because there might as well not be a Minneapolis Republican Party because they never win anything (I mean that literally by the way. No Republican in Minneapolis has been elected to as much of a school board seat in over a decade)

Huge sample size you are choosing from there. If that was a poll it would a MOE of about 10,000,000%. Anyway I was referring to the rank and file not the politicians.
8936  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The Annotated Political Matrix on: November 18, 2007, 04:46:18 pm
Many of my answers would too ambigious really to be into such neat brackets but I'll try:

1. The PATRIOT act is an infringement on civil rights. Strongly Agree, Important
2. The government should penalise organisations that practise outsourcing. Strongly Disagree (Also does this include not-for-profit organisations, yes I know that sounds weird.)
3. Giving faith-based charities the same government resources as secular organisations is a good idea. Strongly Disagree. Ish.
4. We should increase foreign aid to countries struggling with poverty. Strongly Agree
5. We should increase funding for education. Strongly Disagree, Important. Agree Ish; but assuming one is talking about the Status Quo in Education here

6. Heterosexual couples should receive higher marital recognition than homosexual couples. Strongly Disagree.
7. Overall, free trade hurts more than it helps. That then again depends on how you define Free trade. Though I am a strong ideological supporter I do note that it does not benefit everyone; but that is not the point. Strongly Disagree. Important
8. We should reduce the number of government programs substantially. Agree
9. Abortion should be illegal or very heavily restricted. Disagree or Strongly Disagree; depends on mood
10. The government should fund museums, theatres, and other cultural institutions that are unable to survive independently. Again depends on Mood; but Disagree. Ish

11. The government should subsidise health insurance for those who cannot easily afford it. Strongly Agree
12. The government should work to reduce children's exposure to offensive radio and television content. Strongly Disagree; Important
13. It is unfair that wealthier people pay higher tax rates. Strongly Disagree, Important; though that shouldn't mean they should be taxed at 99%; just that it isn't "unfair".
14. The minimum wage should be raised. To what? Some sort of Deflationary policy is preferable; but anti-Minimum wage arguements in the present day are just reactionary and\or silly. Strongly Agree
15. Marijuana should be legalised. Strongly Agree; though I am actually beginning to think that many stoners will look nostagically back at the days when it was illegal once this silly ban is removed.

16. Social security should be at least partially privatised. Don't really know enough about the US system to comment
17. Violating individual rights is acceptable when it comes to fighting terrorism. Strongly Disagree, Important
18. Current levels of government regulation on industry are excessive. I both Strongly Disagree and Strongly Agree on this; what I'd prefer to see as a kind of removal away from traditional industry. I generally go "strongly disagree" though as this usually refers to big multinationals.
19. The government should provide basic needs for all people. If we did; why include the government?
20. The death penalty should be an option for serious crimes. Strongly Disagree. Important
21. We should reduce the difficulty of immigration. Strongly Agree. Important

22. Union workers should be protected against being fired during strikes. Usually Agree
23. Prostitution should be legalised. Strongly Agree; but the same comments I previously said on Marijuana can apply
24. Flag burning should be illegalised. Strongly Disagree, Important
25. I support affirmative action. Not usually no. But I admit it can be usual policy - especially class-based AA. Neutral
26. The government should impose tariffs to protect industries from foreign competition. STRONGLY DISAGREE; IMPORTANT
27. Physician-assisted suicide should be legal if the patient is of sound mind. Agree; Important
8937  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is the Green Party any less corrupt than the two major ones? on: November 18, 2007, 04:29:29 pm

If that's the standard you using, then no the Green Party are certainly not corrupt nor for that matter are either of the two big parties despite everything. (Btw as an aside, know how the CIA basically rigged the post-war Italian elections in order to make the Christian Democrats win over the communists? Despite being maintained for years this is now  not a conspiracy theory)

In general though Joe is Right. Also I suspect due to the nature of many Green Party activists that there is less corruption among the party's rank and file than than the "big two" but I suspect that is true for nearly all third parties.
8938  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: REAL redistricting in the Republic of Ireland on: November 18, 2007, 03:54:12 pm
I doubt there were that many safe Labour seats in the Midlands in the '80s.

You'd be surprised then Smiley

Most of the core industrial seats (including West Brom West) were quite safe, as were some inner city seats (all seats in Nottingham went Tory in '83!). The areas in which Labour did badly throughout the '80's were mostly working class suburbs full of the sort of people who would have been called Reagan Democrats had they lived across the Pond. West Brom East is a good example.

In Ireland the vast majority of those people are and have been since 1932, Fianna Fail voters: as a matter of the fact you could just have described Bertie Ahern's home base in Dublin Central (Need to back on the Ireland trail)
8939  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do You Believe In Free Will? on: November 18, 2007, 02:13:19 pm
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That is why, I believe, God created democracy.  Democracy gives its citizens free will to live wherever they want, worship wherever they want, freedom to worship or not to worship, freedom to voice opposition to the government without fear of imprisonment or worse, freedom to love whom they want to love.

If so, God really is a very slow worker.
8940  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Can We Increase the Max Charecters per Post? on: November 18, 2007, 02:04:06 pm
I've run into problems with it occasionally as well, but frankly it's not a major problem. The 20 second thingy is far worse.

Both are extraordinarily annoying..
8941  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: REAL redistricting in the Republic of Ireland on: November 18, 2007, 02:01:24 pm
I know it's confusing, also some of Westmeath has been divided into Meath West to balance out the population; though thankfully we put our counties name's first and then the relative location so we say Meath West for the constituency based in the west of Meath and West Meath. Confused, eh? Wink

Oh and for record the Kingdom of Meath was more than just Meath and Westmeath but also Longford and South Co. Louth. North Co. Louth was traditionally part of Ulster.
I want the constituency renamed Meath West & Westmeath East!

Oops.. Brain fart. Yep, Meast West. That area of Westmeath in Meast West (Aaaggh..) isn't iirc very populated *looks up constituency maps*.. Yeah I don't that area at all so I can't imagine it's very densely populated. 
8942  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is the best form of schooling? on: November 18, 2007, 01:57:29 pm
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Got you... I think...
But then what to do about the fact that such "experimental" private schools attract only a specialized clientele not all that different, really, from "normal" private schools, and in parts (yeah, only in parts) for the exact same reason of keeping the riffraff out of your child's life?

Ah you see I told you ideal wasn't flawless. Yes that is an undoubted problem. But what can be done, I'd have to think about that. One thing I will say though is that supposedly liberal parents are often as bad if not worse in terms of thinking about "riffraff" then those of more conservative disposition. Which doesn't help my cause.. I know.
8943  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: REAL redistricting in the Republic of Ireland on: November 18, 2007, 01:54:48 pm
I know it's confusing, also some of Westmeath has been divided into Meath West to balance out the population; though thankfully we put our counties name's first and then the relative location so we say Meath West for the constituency based in the west of Meath and West Meath. Confused, eh? Wink

Oh and for record the Kingdom of Meath was more than just Meath and Westmeath but also Longford and South Co. Louth. North Co. Louth was traditionally part of Ulster.
8944  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: November 18, 2007, 01:52:26 pm
Ireland's never been United under "native" rule, unless you count the Rule of high king Brian Boru (1002-1014); but he was really more of a weak Feudal type monarch in an island with no sense of central authority; that idea came from the British.
It is therefore a deeply unirish idea that should have been soundly rejected after independence.

Strongly Agree btw.

EDIT: Not to mention that alot of what is considered "Irish Culture" was pretty much invented on the spot as a response to British rule. Prior to the coming of the Normans or hell even up to the Cromwellian invasion and the Counter-Reformation (out of which out "Irishness" grew) the cultural, linguistic and economic life of say, a man living in Waterford would just be as alien to say someone living Donegal as the "English way of life" was; if not more so.
8945  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which is the best form of schooling? on: November 18, 2007, 01:50:04 pm
Oh for the record I would support schooling along these lines (though this is not in specifics what I would have in mind):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_School
Just to get this straight - do you support compulsory schooling somewhat along the lines of Summerhill (with local variations) for everybody?

From what I've read so far (and I haven't read all of the thread) that would seem to be your position. In which case you are for state schooling (though not centralized. The local community is also the state really.), you just want the state schools to be changed. Which is a completely different issue, really (although one I more or less agree with you on).

No, not quite actually as I said that is not entirely what I am for. I was just simplifying for BRTD.  I will say though that I would prefer a Summerhill type system for children over what we have now but what I am really for is:

1) Removing the arbitary division between school and 'real life': schooling should not be held in some abstract enviornment away from the 'real world' (whatever that is). Whether Summerhill does this or not is another question.
2) Make education focused not on training children into the needs of mass society but creating an education system which a) based around the idea of questioning, roughly similiar to the socratic method; ie. A more democratic form of education and b) By this allow the individual child to grow as citizen and as fully formed person in this system. Now I don't expect every child to be the next Voltaire (which is something my opponents in this seem to believe) but the idea is that education should be how the next generation can improve this world instead of fitting them in this present one. Idealistic? I suppose so; b
3) Ergo to this an education system shouldn't based around examinations and testing and 'targets' which is pretty much the opposite of what I have mind (and which often happens in state schools everywhere as a need to see 'how children are getting on' and to make rich parents choose private school to send little Johnny to.)

That's in a nutshell. Now here is my problem: Both the government and the community as it is at present have specific interests (financial, political, etc) not to develop such a system it is hard to reconsile with the state system as at present; ergo it is probably neccessary for such a system to develop outside the brackets of the current setup. Which is in all fairness, what is happening at the moment though obviously funding is a major problem in this. As for homeschooling, while I abhor the fundamentalist attempts to brainwash to brainwash their children a blanket ban against homeschooling would be imo in my view counterproductive.   
At present I'm thinking at that far distant plane in the future where I find a woman (It will happen!) and have children I will home school them, though of course depending on the social enviornment.

Also may I add that I do not think of my current plan as flawless; after all how achieves one aims is of essential importance. Even should my system somehow be favoured by the goverment of Ireland then I still think it would neccesary to keep private school and homeschooling legal as they can used to improve the current situation and to make the current status quo does not stagnate.

Btw, Lol@ Your signature.
8946  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: REAL redistricting in the Republic of Ireland on: November 18, 2007, 01:37:06 pm
This has already been discussed between me and Jas in the Irish General discussion thread; of course I could go back into now but I have stuff to do and time to consider.. I will say this:

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(could Gully Foyle or Jas speculate on how likely that is?)

Haven't heard any rumour myself of O'Donahoe resigning.
8947  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which of the following should be legal? on: November 18, 2007, 08:12:21 am
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Ah, a BRTD argument....mmm...probably along the lines of...well I [read: BRTD] went to public school and I'm great therefore public school must be great so everyone should go to public school so they can emulate my greatness. (?) Whereas only rich kids/prudes/the chronically uncool/etc. who I don't like go to private schools, so if you go to private school I wouldn't like you, so private schools should be banned.

(Obviously though his post would have to mention Ralph Nader; opebo; Minnesota; suburbs; blight; and/or alcohol a few times also.)

You forgot Emo and\or Rick Santorum.

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Yeah there are reasonable points to be made about how public education systems should be run or imporved upon, but the basic underlying reasoning (equality of opportunity and  meritocracy, etc.) is fundamental to my support of public education in principle.

I would say somewhat the same if you define by what is meant by "public"; a large function of schooling as it is after all is to make one be "trained" into the society you live in (This is pretty much an undeniable fact).

I've never said that I think no child should be barred from access to education; especially if said child happens to be among lower income bracket families.
8948  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is the individual pictured in the preceding post closer to fascist or commun on: November 18, 2007, 07:58:36 am
The infamous "Image not found" is clearly a communist.

Shows fine for me. 'tis a sign that reads "Harold Holt Swimming Centre". It amuses me greatly.
8949  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: is the Democratic Party of the USA a left or right-wing organizaiton? on: November 18, 2007, 07:56:31 am
These results are funny given what the forum was like three years ago.. alot of Cynicism has seem to have crept in. Not of course that I consider that all and all a bad thing.

Obviously, as I have said before both parties are different sides of the same coin - their aims are somewhat similiar (mostly; at least among party leaders. Though admit differences between members of the house from Tancredo to McDermott) even if they try and go about in the same way.

Of course I'm of the "We get the politicians we deserve" school of thought; so what does it say about American voters then? (Probably good things given that turnout is low compared to Europe; though neither party really needs turnout to increase at all but will pay lip service to do so "for democracy".)
8950  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which of the following should be legal? on: November 18, 2007, 07:52:49 am
I'm actually quite curious why exactly so many people here think "public schooling is best thing since sliced bread".

Equality of opportunity and the promotion of meritocracy.

Yes that wasn't what BRTD would say. Wink

I do admit though Meritocracy is one of the best things but the school system present (Equality of opportunity though is dubious); even if it isn't the sort of meritocracy I would be in favour of (too much focus on examinations for one thing.)
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