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49801  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: New popular vote totals on: December 20, 2004, 09:48:32 am
Yeah, but where is this site getting these numbers??  It seems to be a secret.
Oh, NARA may well be more accurate.
I'm just saying this is where I looked.

ME shouldn't change anymore NOW, it may have changed over the last few days.
49802  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Line-Item Veto Amendment on: December 20, 2004, 09:46:24 am
They are...they're running this by vote rather than by poll.
Oh yes, my vote:
Sho'Nuff.
49803  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 20, 2004, 09:42:23 am
His comments about racism in the same thread make me assume he was talking about people of both races, and is probably somewhat fed up with the fact that, in America, you have to expressly say this.
49804  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: New popular vote totals on: December 20, 2004, 09:39:03 am
This site.
49805  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: All state primaries on the same day on: December 20, 2004, 09:28:13 am
First of all, the concept that delegates to the national political party convention should always be selected by primaries, is an idea with which I totally disagree.

Please note that the Democrat party purposefully has 'superdelegates' who are NOT selected in a primary for the express purpose of adding a little maturity to the process.

Second, a drawn out selection process for the nominee for a political party's nomination for President is a good thing, since it provides time for the voters to get a better perspective on the prospective candidates. 

Third, having the primaries spread over a period of time, diminishes the advantage of a candidate supported by the financiers of elections, and gives other candidates an opportunity to emerge based on factors such as: (1) message, (2) volunteer efforts, and (3) candidate qualities.

He has a point.
While the current system is pretty strange, a national primary, especially an early one, might well turn out worse.
49806  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: New popular vote totals on: December 20, 2004, 09:18:35 am
Kerry just went over 59 Mio. He wasn't there two days ago, while Bush already was over 62 Mio.
Unless I missed some place, Maine is the only state to have finalized its results in between, and NH, RI, CT and IN are the only states still missing now.
49807  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Abraham Lincoln vs. James Buchanan on: December 20, 2004, 09:16:05 am
Buchanan could not have kept the Democrats from splitting up if he had run, and would have been in serious danger of not getting a single EV.
A scenario of Lincoln vs Buchanan with no other candidates is simply not a scenario with any sense of realism in it...except maybe (but it's highly unrealistic) with a fusion Republican-Northern Democrat ticket, (Lincoln/Douglas or something) vs Southern Democrats running Buchanan as a front. In that case, Lincoln would get over 50% of the vote and possibly carry a handful of slave states - Delaware, Missouri, possibly Kentucky.

There would not be extremely low turnout btw - both candidates would be seen as a terrible threat to America by half the White population, ensuring a high turnout.
49808  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 20, 2004, 09:08:40 am
By the way, about our cities having "problems"....Where is the highest crime in our country? Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas...all Southern cities.

Didn't we discuss this already? We pretty much boiled it down to a higher heat climate and minority demographics.

and segregation

Sadly that practice, even though not law, still exists in many rich New England communities.

Not really, but what you speak of is still VERY prevalent across much of the South. Don't deny it, I've seen it for myself.

Did you ever visit North Philadelphia?
Jonathan Frantzen wrote something similar somewhere...I'll try and think of quoting it when I find the time.

Just some more random thoughts on what I read in this thread...by no means exhaustive...
Segregation continues to exist, North and South. Just look at the Atlanta area's residential patterns. Or the Detroit area's.
And no, it's nowehere as bad as it used to be, again North and South.
But States' post should show you one thing: white Southern hatred of the North still exists.
I notice it totally escaped Dazzle that Dan claimed nowhere that these people he was talking about were White.
49809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Virginia Reunification on: December 20, 2004, 08:56:48 am
No, Virginia should become part of West Virginia. Smiley
49810  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: My UK Election Predictions on: December 20, 2004, 08:50:06 am
Liam Fox reckons Labour and the Conservatives will go into the election "neck-and=neck". He says the Blunkett business has hit Blair and will send Labour voters directly over the Tories! [I somehow don't see that happening]

Liam Fox said (with a straight face) that the Hartlepool by-election was not a disaster for the Tories... I think it's safe to ignore anything the oily bastard says

...you've got to admire his gaul Smiley

Tories enter the contest on 30-31% of the vote end up with 33-34%, LibDems enter with 19-21% end up with 21-22% and Labour enter with 38-42% and come out with 37-38%... Labour majority of 70-100, my guess is 88.
Tories moving up during the Election campaign? No, I doubt it. Not with their current set of MPs.
49811  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Is Alaska a solidly Republican state like Idaho? on: December 20, 2004, 08:48:47 am



Alaska and Vermont are the only states who do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons. Alongside with the fact that Alaskadon't is the state with the lowest tax burden, it gives a pretty good idea of their nature.

Yet they voted against medical marijuana?

But the map says Alaska has freedom...which is good...because people say that...

Hmm.

They have medical marijuana for ages. They voted against total liberalization of marijuana, which is completely different.
Yes Alcon they voted down a decriminalization measure, which something like 46% of people supported. They also pay people between 800-1600 dollars a year to live in Alaska. They have no taxes and the government pays you money to live there. Sounds Libertarian to me.
"The government pays you money to live there" sounds about as unLibertarian as a place can get, actually. Sounds like the entire population of Alaska is drawing a dole from the coffers of the 48.
I recognize this kind of thing is bound to happen in ressource-wealthy, underpopulated backwaters unless they're politically oppressed...Northern Norway is similar. I also recognize it goes well with a Libertarian philosophy...the question is: How serious should you consider that form of Socialist-fed Libertarianism to be?
49812  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Most Ignored State on: December 20, 2004, 08:44:20 am
Nebraska is the most ignored by population total of these. Smiley

I recently saw a state map somewhere that looked kind of wrong, and it took me a moment to figure it out:
It had been copied from Colour to Black-and-White, and Florida, Maryland and Delaware must've all been in very light shades before - it looked as if they simply weren't there.
49813  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: National Map of County Swings on: December 20, 2004, 08:40:40 am
Look again.

Ye Olde Berkshire County trended for Kerry.
And so did Franklin, Hampshire, Nantucket and Dukes.
49814  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: National Map of County Swings on: December 20, 2004, 08:39:30 am
Blue equals Republican on this map.
Southeastern Pennsylvania is all red btw. Smiley
49815  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: My UK Election Predictions on: December 20, 2004, 08:35:38 am
Peter, First off good analysis… on Leicester South did you make a typo? Or does it read as it should it just seems a bit confused
I guess it's a typo.
49816  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Pennsylvania is now 51-48 on: December 20, 2004, 08:23:23 am
A recount just would have given Kerry a bigger margin.
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Hmmm.  Why is it that a recount would automatically give Kerry a bigger margin?  Does this tell us something about the people recounting? the intelligence of the voters?  the ability to 'divine' voter intent?
The education of the voters.
49817  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2000 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: A Real Free for All on: December 20, 2004, 08:21:12 am
What's Lamar Alexander doing there? He ran in 1996, not in 2000, by my knowledge.
49818  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Arizona on: December 20, 2004, 08:10:59 am
The politics of the political parties changed more than the politics of the states. Vermont + Massachusetts used to be solid republican states. South Carolina was 98% democratic in the 40's. Civil rights was one of the main reasons for the flip.

MA was a Democrat state since 1928. Vermont's change wasn't as clear-cut, but the slide to the Democratic party began during the 1950s.

And how many times will the lie that the Civil Rights movement caused the South to vote GOP be repeated?? In 1948, the South went with the Dixiecrats; in the '50s and '60s, they voted for "Unpledged Democrat Electors." The only GOP vote was Goldwater in '64, then the next election they went with Wallace. Discounting Nixon's '72 win, the South single-handedly elected Jimmy Carter, a Democrat.

If anything, the South tried every conceivable mean to avoid voting Republican in 40 years.


Yes...but then, there's reasons for that too. And they did not vote for "unpledged Democrat Electors in the '50s and '60s" - there were such slates, especially in Alabama, but mostly they split between those staying true to the Democrats and those voting Republican.
49819  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Last election between two candidates who would've both been great presidents on: December 20, 2004, 08:08:09 am
Lowering the standard to "good": 1976.
I'm not sure where "great" begins...maybe 1860, counting only the Northern candidates.
49820  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: New Post a Picture of Yourself on: December 20, 2004, 07:56:53 am
God has better things to do than worry about sexual practices of people.

Obviously you've never read any scripture whatsoever.

A truly just God would have better things to do than worry about sexual practices of people.  Not everything in the bible is true, and if it was we should all be stoning you for posting messages on a Sunday!

***This will be my last post in this and we are getting back on topic.***

Christians are not bound by the old laws of moses and the Sabbath is on Saturday anyhow. Sunday is a CHRISTIAN day that has no signifigance to Jews.


Sunday is a HEATHEN ROMAN day that has no significance to Jews.
Obviously whether it's Saturday or Sunday or Wednesday (like the Essenes did, and some believe Jesus did) doen't matter one bit as long as it's every seventh day.
49821  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Poll on Democratic Hawk's Vote on: December 20, 2004, 07:32:08 am
Democratic Hawk wouldn't have made the mistakes that he did if he thought that they would cause his vote to not count; the fact that such things had been allowed in the past led him to believe that editing his post only and not his vote would not be a problem.
Do you know this for sure? Or are you just making claims for the sake of argument here? I had figured he was just a very uninformed voter...
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These are just FANTASY elections after all and thus we shouldn't disenfranchise people just for making clearly well-intentioned mistakes.
Very wise words.
49822  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Poll on Democratic Hawk's Vote on: December 20, 2004, 07:28:11 am
There was not a Supreme Court case, but the SOFA allowed such votes to stand in June, and no one even challenged it to the Court as there was a pretty wide spread consensus that this was the right decision (at least in public statements, perhaps some people opposed these votes being counted but didn't want to publically state their views).

Public opinion is irrelevant, the reason it wasnt challenged was because it wouldnt have affected the outcome of the election.
This may be very well true, and I would have understood very well if the supreme court had ruled Hawk's vote invalid.
But the SOFA should have stuck to his own precedent.

Not that it matters now, this thing is over, and I'd like to congratulate WMS on his victory.
49823  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: County Map... Finished! on: December 20, 2004, 07:23:07 am
As an observation, I was the only voter in this election from Louisiana and did not vote for Harry.

While I can clearly understand New Orleans and surrounding Democrat counties going for Harry, chances are the Southwest LA counties would not, otherwise Harry would probably win the state.

Why did Winn Parish go Democrat in northern LA?  I can understand Caddo and Red River Parish in northern LA going Democrat, but probably not Winn.
An in joke to do with its most famous son perhaps?
49824  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Harry Concession Speech on: December 20, 2004, 07:16:22 am
You ran a great campaign Senator.  It is sad to see you leave the Senate.  Best of luck in future endeavors.
He'll be back.
49825  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your website/blog on: December 18, 2004, 10:31:55 am
I have some webspace somewhere but I haven't got a clue how you use that. It came with my Uni free email account.
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