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49801  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 4- questionable result on: December 13, 2004, 03:06:31 am
Anyway, you guys wonder why everyone is so damn confussed all the time, it is because you guys change the law with every single tiny irregularity that comes up.

I don't recall the law regarding how to handle these types of votes having ever been changed. I agree that it needs to be clearer, however. The requirement to have an avatar or a statement in the profile signature should be in the voting booth thread. I'm just offering that as a suggestion for next time.
Good idea. An even better idea might be to remove the requirement entirely, as it doesn't really serve any purpose.

It was made law as to cut back on confusion.  It appears that the "Iron Rule of Unanticipated Consequences" has struck again.  It appreas that we have made a bigger mess for ourselves.  That does not, howver, change the current status of the law.
I was talking about for the next election.
I don't care who wins this really. Harry and WMS will both make fine Senators.
49802  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Official Midterm Senate Elections Voting Booth on: December 13, 2004, 02:59:48 am
If a vote can't be altered, shouldn't this mean that the vote from the original post has to stay? IIRC that was the framers' original intent. After all you can't go back to the polling station and change your vote either.
If that were the case Defarge couldn't devalidate his vote.
Re:NixonNow.
He was also, for a while, fantasy registered twice, just like IrishDem/GirlGoneWild.
So was (is?) RReagan4Ever/Eversole_Adam (neither of them ever tried to vote twice in the same election, however.)
Basically, if we allow this practice of deleting yourself and reregistering to stand, we'd better scrap the "no moves in four months" requirement as the loophole is going to be larger than the law itself.
49803  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: VOTING BOOTH OF THE PACIFIC on: December 13, 2004, 02:48:32 am
With 100% of the votes for their respective positions Governor Wildcard is re-elected and Lewis Trondheim is is elected to the office of Lt. Governor

Prop. 1 passes 5 votes to 3
Prop. 2 passes 7 votes to 1
Prop. 3 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 4 is defeated 8 votes to 1
Prop. 5 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 6 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 7 passes 6 votes to 2
Prop. 8 passes 8 votes to 1
Prop. 9 passes 6 votes to 3

Thank you to all of those who took the time to show up and vote
Prop. 8 passes 9 votes to 0.

Fixed... Hey wait a minute Lewis this is your job now. Cheesy
That's why I checked - although I'm not sure when my term begins. I'll have to check the constitution on that...Cheesy
49804  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 4- questionable result on: December 13, 2004, 02:47:11 am
Anyway, you guys wonder why everyone is so damn confussed all the time, it is because you guys change the law with every single tiny irregularity that comes up.

I don't recall the law regarding how to handle these types of votes having ever been changed. I agree that it needs to be clearer, however. The requirement to have an avatar or a statement in the profile signature should be in the voting booth thread. I'm just offering that as a suggestion for next time.
Good idea. An even better idea might be to remove the requirement entirely, as it doesn't really serve any purpose.
49805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: VOTING BOOTH OF THE PACIFIC on: December 13, 2004, 02:42:52 am
With 100% of the votes for their respective positions Governor Wildcard is re-elected and Lewis Trondheim is is elected to the office of Lt. Governor

Prop. 1 passes 5 votes to 3
Prop. 2 passes 7 votes to 1
Prop. 3 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 4 is defeated 8 votes to 1
Prop. 5 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 6 passes 7 votes to 2
Prop. 7 passes 6 votes to 2
Prop. 8 passes 8 votes to 1
Prop. 9 passes 6 votes to 3

Thank you to all of those who took the time to show up and vote
Prop. 8 passes 9 votes to 0.
49806  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Livestrong Bracelets on: December 13, 2004, 02:35:50 am
I don't dislike LA because he is an American. If I disliked Americans I wouldn't be on this site.

He is most likely on steroids, and PBrunsel is correct. His wife stood by him through cancer only to be gotten rid of as soon as Armstrong became rich and famous. He is, overall, a pretty bad guy.

I don't agree with him leaving his wife and all, but how can you say he is on steroids? He's passed every test.

Guilty until proven innocent over there. The man has NEVER failed a drug test, yet because he is better than Ullrich, Beloki, and the other top riders, he uses steroids. Admit it, an American has defeated the best Europe can offer for the past six years, get over it.
But then Ullrich, Virenque etc are dopers too. Quite frankly nobody cares too much.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is just a question of how you define "innocent".
Recovering from cancer meant that for several years Armstrong (and other athletes before and after him, in other fields as well) could legally use some drugs illegal to others, and could not be properly tested for some other illegal drugs.
His team refused to remove a proven guilty doper from the squad for the last Tour.
He continues to be associated with a doctor that everybody knows is a big doping advocate.

Many major cyclists, Ullrich for example, have a doctor's certificate that they are asthmatics, and may therefore use certain drugs illegal to others. Nobody I've spoken to believes that any of these guys are really asthmatics.
49807  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been outside the U.S.? on: December 13, 2004, 02:25:51 am
Canada, and technically Denmark as I was in the Dutch Virgin Islands (St. Maarten).

Unfortunately I didn't get to go to the French side of the island.
Dutch "Virgin Islands"? "Denmark"?
Uh...very tired? Been drinking?
49808  General Discussion / History / Re: JFK's History Quiz on: December 13, 2004, 02:22:40 am
1) Which Chancellor preceeded Hitler?
1. Franz Von Papen
Beep. Incorrect. Kurt von Schleicher was chancellor between Papen and Hitler. (The others are right, though.)
49809  General Discussion / History / Re: Did you know..... on: December 13, 2004, 02:20:10 am
Both men's given first name is Addison.
Addison Mitchell "Mitch" McConnell.
Addison Graves "Joe" Wilson.
49810  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Which of these border states do you consider part of the south? on: December 13, 2004, 02:17:00 am
Believe me...rural MD is just as much the "South" as Alabama. Same with rural parts of South Central Pennsylvania.
South Central Pennsylvania was never much influenced by the South. It's just that Appalachia was at one point strongly influenced by Pennsylvania, and other parts of Pennsylvania have changed a lot since.
Option 1. MD and DE are former slave states with sizable rural Black populations. There couldn't be a better definition of what a Southern state is, if rural KY, WV and MO hadn't been abandoned by Blacks well-nigh entirely in the mid-20th century.
49811  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: The Largest States (in EVs) by CD on: December 13, 2004, 02:10:43 am
It should be California...at least their district boundaries take cities into account somewhat, which should make calculating these things a tad easier.
PA or OH would also be possible by that standard.

Then again, this is probably more to do with state policy than with any sort of difficulty, so I won't vote in the poll.
49812  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: What elections in America's history do you consider landslides? on: December 13, 2004, 02:07:43 am
Why do I even keep answering these things?
And, Philip, nice try finding some definition that doesn't include the largest landslide of the century because you don't like it.
49813  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Write-in King for District 5: A Moderate Candidate for a Moderate District! on: December 12, 2004, 12:20:44 pm
Not in mine.
49814  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Livestrong Bracelets on: December 12, 2004, 12:17:13 pm
I hate Lance Armstrong.

Because an American is winning Tour de France all the time? Is that why? Go cry me a river...
Nobody likes a winner, in cycling. It's just not done in polite company. Indurain was never popular either.
49815  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Berlusconi Cleared of Corruption on: December 12, 2004, 12:15:46 pm
No attack intended.
49816  General Discussion / History / Re: Did you know..... on: December 12, 2004, 12:15:12 pm
What do Rep. Joe Wilson (Rep-SC) and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) have in common?
(Apart from the obvious, like, being current members of Congress, Southerners, Republicans, White Males etc)?
49817  General Discussion / History / Re: Constitution of the Holy Roman Empire on: December 12, 2004, 12:13:46 pm
Well, the HRE at that point really didn't have a constitution as such, excepting the Golden Bull of Charles IV and, officially, since the Treaty of Westphalia, no central power.  It was weaker that the US under the Articles of Confederation.  It also took centuries to get to that state.

I'm not sure that the same mistakes will be repeated

Actually, they are being repeated as we speak (well, not really, since it's a Saturday)

The head of the EU rotates among member states every 6 months; the huge EU parliament passes resolutions that may or may not be accepted by the commission; member states are not punished for failing to submit to a directive (France routinely ignores recommendations on agricultural production); the President of the Commission, the chief executive, is unelected and unaccountable to the Parliament; etc.

There is a greater similarity between the HRE and the EU than even I first thought. (Only real difference is the absolute secularism of the modern institution). I will need to find the 'operating procedures' for the EU to really compare the two.

The idea that the chief executive is not accountable to the Parliament is not a function of a weak government.  Both France and the US have that function, in terms of legislation. 
It's a function of a weak legislative, and of a certain lack of Democratic legitimacy.
Although it's debatable whether the President or the Prime Minister ist he chief executive of France...
49818  General Discussion / History / Re: Constitution of the Holy Roman Empire on: December 12, 2004, 12:12:03 pm
It may well turn out that the European Union is neither European nor a Union.

Much like the Lord Privy Seal is neither a lord, a privy, or a seal.

Whether or not a union or an international organization, it is certainly European.
...or maybe the US would like to join? Smiley
49819  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Berlusconi Cleared of Corruption on: December 12, 2004, 12:07:19 pm
Actually, he wasn't cleared.
He was cleared on a technicality on one charge.
On the second charge, he was deemed to be guilty as hell, but again on a technicality, it was deemed that the time limit to put him to jail for it had expired.
49820  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Another New Party on: December 12, 2004, 12:02:30 pm
Never mind.  It was a silly idea.
Yes...although sillier ideas have been voiced in the past...
49821  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Write-in King for District 5: A Moderate Candidate for a Moderate District! on: December 12, 2004, 12:01:29 pm
One more vote puts me over the top.

King, please don't complain about Democrats inviting people to vote and then leave. Check out Moorein08's post.

Yeah I have to agree with Akno. Even if you didn't want Moore voting for you bringing back inactive members should not be started up again.
Nothing immoral about GOTV.
49822  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Breaking up on: December 12, 2004, 11:57:26 am
This has nothing whatever to do with politics
It sure does. Everything is political.
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My partner of 2 and a half years broke up with me on Friday. 
I had planned to sell my condo this spring and get a new place together with him, now all that is changed.
So now you see the economic deficits of monogamy.
I've never had a partner for more than about four months at a time...guess I can't feel your pain...guess I'm a commitment phobe...
I've been wedded to my hand for that long and more, though. Does that count?

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I nearly resigned as SOFA yesterday, but I have decided to stick it out.  It gives me something to do that takes my mind off things. 
Crikes! The Atlas needs you!  I'm very, very glad and thankful you didn't resign.
I just hope you'll come to terms with being single, or find somebody else quickly.
49823  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mid-Term Discussion Thread on: December 12, 2004, 11:51:45 am
It's also worth noting that ballots that were edited have been counted before, as long as the vote itself wasn't edited. I seem to recall BRTD's vote fitting this definition in the June Presidential Election.
We've never been too strict in these cases. And for a reason, too.
49824  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NEW: Progressive Caucus on: December 12, 2004, 11:46:03 am
Thank you. I'll drop by.
49825  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mid-Term Discussion Thread on: December 12, 2004, 11:39:30 am
Most would define fair as following the rules. Democrats define fair as "Hey...I didn't win. You cheated!"
Actually, on the Atlas, that's never been yet been said by people without blue Pennsylvania avatars.


Actually, several members with red avatars were complaining about votes that might not be counted. The reason why those votes might not be counted: the voter didn't display proper information. And so the Dems complained.

And as for anyone with blue avatars from PA complaining about the other cheating, it was done in a fair manner when someone was obviously not following the rules.
Just raising your heckles really.
Although to be fair, yes, Republicans have done more than their fair share of complaining around here, and no, it wasn't always in a fair manner or about obviously not following the rules.
I guess I'd have to read the entire thread...why did the Dems complain about someone not displaying proper info? Ethelberth and Earl and the Hawk hardly strike me as Conservatives...

I may disclose that I was actually the first ever person to start an election dispute around here. Ben tried to vote in the first ever presidential elections, without being registered. He simply didn't know you had to be registered to vote - this was before there were stickied threads, or an official registered voter list maintained by the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
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