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49801  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Moderate Alliance for a Modern Atlasia on: December 14, 2004, 09:54:22 am
OK, OK, Gus and Lewis, I wasn't technically on the ballot, so it technically didn't violate MAMA's rules. Smiley

witness the D4 race, for example, where two moderates were technically on the ballot (myself and Hermit)
two moderates were technically on the ballot, but you weren't. Two moderates were also running for practical purposes, but those don't include Hermit.
So you're viewing Harry, Hermit and me as three moderates, then?
Sho'.
Moderate isn't the same as Centrist, right? Moderate is the opposite of Radical, so you can be a moderate Leftist or a radical Leftist, a moderate Republican or a radical Republican etc.
And Harry is a moderate Leftist.
49802  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Getting very close to deleting myself. on: December 14, 2004, 09:48:22 am
I remember when I first came here this forum was a lot of fun. Then it started going hill, especially when the trolls (Alfie, Shira, Nomo, etc.) showed up. And fantasy politics isn't fun anymore either. It's sad to see it go downhill the way it has.
Look who's talking...but you know that.

Beef: All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to delete themselves.
49803  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: New Constitutional Convention Discussion on: December 14, 2004, 09:21:49 am
Now this is a change that I'd support enthusiastically.
Given that current praxis is based on precedent and an unclearly worded constitutional provision, it could probably be done by a simple law.

You cannot change the way that Constitutional Amendments are voted on by simple statute - whatever the Constitution says outranks that Statute. The Senate has already imposed an arbitrary time limit on constitutional amendment public polls of one week via an SPR; I don't know where they managed to get this authority from - but the Constituion is not decided upon by Senate Procedural Resolutions.

Due to the Constitution's silence, all votes on amendments remain theoretically open forever until they have gained a majority of ALL registered voters. Its too much work to bother to check, but I doubt that all if any of the present amendments "passed" have actually gained a majority of registered voters. This causes a pretty extreme problem which can only be resolved by overthrowing the Constitution and writing a new one.
Well, in Germany, when the Constitution provides only a skeleton on how to do things, it's the lawmakers' job to beef it up.
The constitution talks of a "public poll". Nobody knows what a "public poll" is - I guess even at the time nobody except maybe DemRepDan knew what it was supposed to mean.
49804  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Drug Testing In Schools on: December 14, 2004, 09:16:54 am
Here at my school, they test all clubs equally, and waste a LOT of money.  They also pull us out of class to test us and it's our own responsibility to make up the work.
Now that's not something I can imagine happening in a Democracy. Seriously.

It can happen when the majority of voters support curtailing personal rights and freedoms.  Democracy doesn't gaurantee anything - it just reflects the electorate, and we happen to have a bad one here. 

Obviously things would be much worse were it not for the undemocratic aspects of the Constitution - Bill of Rights, etc.
Obviously your definition of Democracy is different from mine - I would never call the Bill of Rights an undemocratic aspect of the Constitution.
Indeed, the problem here seems to be that the Bill of Rights is outdated and insufficient, otherwise this would be unconstitutional.
49805  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: MN Elector Refuses To Vote For Kerry on: December 14, 2004, 08:24:16 am
"Shall vote for two persons, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant"...
This is in the part usually considered superseded by the XIIth Amendment, which just states they are supposed to vote separately for president and for vice president.
Whether the orgininal constitutional requirement that electors vote for two different natural persons actually is superseded by the XIIth is debatable though. It's not as if the XIIth says so.
49806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Let's Endorse the President on: December 14, 2004, 07:56:11 am
Hey Mr King
you are a Joke
you say My Run is a Joke
Think Aging man
I am in this Race for Good
I will not Drop out
John's longer posts always strike me as somewhat poetic.
49807  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Let's Endorse the President on: December 14, 2004, 07:54:20 am
Aren't endorsements usually so much more effective when they are shortly before the election? And, for that matter, when you know who is running against him or her? Endorsing someone without knowing any of the other candidates probably means no one would be surprised at your endorsement anyway. Wink
No...just-pre-election endorsements in high profile races are nothing but publicity exercises for the endorser...and on the Atlas, every race counts as a high profile race.
Endorsing the president now, however, is a major strategy decision for the Freedom party that it should definitely take by mid-January or not at all. The alternative, after all, is to run a candidate of their own (or endorse the Freedom candidate, or the Democrat, or whatever).
49808  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Best Senators in Atlasia? on: December 14, 2004, 07:50:33 am
D3, and what's more, it'll get even better.
49809  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Needs a Party. on: December 14, 2004, 07:49:13 am
I'm being biased as hell here, but I think you'd fit in the Farmer Labor Party best, Ben.

Current membership:

Me (ex-D, ex-ILP, ex-UL, ex-D, ex-I)
Ilikeverin (ex-D?, ex-P, ex-UAC, ex-AFIP, ex-I)
Kodratos (ex-R?, ex-UAC)
Beef (ex-UAC)
Kodratos was a Republican - for quite a while IIRC.
Eelie never was a Democrat.
49810  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 4- questionable result on: December 14, 2004, 07:47:41 am
Quote
But I urge voting reform now:
The "no vote editing" rule should be precisized so it's totally clear that this is about changing who you vote for.
Even if you do this, your initial vote should be counted anyways.
Alternatively, we can just abolish the vote editing rule, leaving people free to change their minds until the final minute, although I prefer the first option. (Ironically, if we had had the second option, Hugh would be president now.)

Once we're at it, I'd like to ban write-ins and move the candidate registration deadline right to poll opening time.

I agree with most of that... when I'm sworn in I'll introduce that as a bill (although it'd be better if a Senator from the outgoing Senate did it)
It'd be best if WMS (if he is seated) does it, actually.
49811  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Could Wes Clark Win in AR? on: December 14, 2004, 06:50:09 am
He *could" win...I'm not saying he *would*.
49812  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 4- questionable result on: December 14, 2004, 06:48:28 am
Look... this is getting very nasty.
I don't really mind who wins this (I'm happy to work with either candidate) but this is getting out of control and isn't fair on Demohawk/Dave.

I'd also recommend a sit down and a cuppa.
Word.
I don't care about the "special election" part...for all I care they can seat WMS, he won't be a bad Senator. But I urge voting reform now:
The "no vote editing" rule should be precisized so it's totally clear that this is about changing who you vote for.
Even if you do this, your initial vote should be counted anyways.
Alternatively, we can just abolish the vote editing rule, leaving people free to change their minds until the final minute, although I prefer the first option. (Ironically, if we had had the second option, Hugh would be president now.)

Once we're at it, I'd like to ban write-ins and move the candidate registration deadline right to poll opening time.
49813  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain says has "No confidence" in Runsfeld on: December 14, 2004, 06:43:12 am
Join the club.  I have also lost confidence in Rumsfeld.
Basic test of intelligence really.
49814  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Needs a Party. on: December 14, 2004, 06:41:24 am
Join the UL to feel special - nobody else with your political opinions does!

?
Well on what promise was I going to sell the UL to you?
49815  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Voting Requirements Amendment on: December 14, 2004, 06:40:29 am
I urge my Senators to vote against this bill.
49816  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 4- questionable result on: December 14, 2004, 06:28:47 am
Given that the initial rule, as I understand it, was that no posts should be edited
And the point of that was that you shouldn't be able to change your vote midships for tactical reasons, as happened in some of the votes during the constitutional convention.
I urge that Defarge's vote be counted for The Bulldog (it doesn't change the outcome) and the Senator be censured for this shameful piece of attempted election rigging.
I mean it, too, even though I know his motives were subjectively entirely honorable.
49817  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Ben Needs a Party. on: December 14, 2004, 06:24:10 am
Join the UL to feel special - nobody else with your political opinions does!
49818  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Victory Speech on: December 14, 2004, 06:22:38 am
as I said, ego-boosting. Plus, I am an ordinary citizen-yes I have held some 'prominent' positions, but I define myself by myself, not by my office :p
Some people even put "So and so Candidate" in...now that really shows off a worryingly low sense of self-esteem.
But now that I finally hold an elective position, I've put it in too...
49819  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Senator Technicality on: December 14, 2004, 06:20:08 am
This will be how I refere to Harry from now on if he wins this challenge.

Edit:  This is, of course, thanks to Harry's habit of winning races through no virtue of his own.
You notice, though, that the Senator Technicality would be WMS (since he wins only if a vote is ruled out on a technicality, while Harry wins if all votes are counted - although that would require disregarding pretty minimum standards...)
49820  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Drug Testing In Schools on: December 14, 2004, 06:14:53 am
Here at my school, they test all clubs equally, and waste a LOT of money.  They also pull us out of class to test us and it's our own responsibility to make up the work.
Now that's not something I can imagine happening in a Democracy. Seriously.
49821  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Drug Testing In Schools on: December 14, 2004, 06:14:01 am
I read somewhere there's stuff you can legally buy and consume that'll ensure you'll produce a false positive - and it's bad on your health in the long run.

False negative o/c. Sorry.
49822  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Andrew Hunter joins DUP on: December 14, 2004, 06:09:51 am
The bad news is that the dumb racist Apartheid-supporting bastard is standing down at the next election, so no hope of him splitting the vote and Labour gain Basingstoke.
49823  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever been outside the U.S.? on: December 14, 2004, 06:05:56 am
Canada, and technically Denmark as I was in the Dutch Virgin Islands (St. Maarten).

Unfortunately I didn't get to go to the French side of the island.
I hope you mean Holland.

Danish, Dutch, what's the difference? Smiley
And the Dutch Antilles.
49824  General Discussion / History / Re: The Great Depression on: December 14, 2004, 06:04:23 am
The Carter Family had this to say on the subject:

Oh hear this heart of many a failing
For these are Latter Days for sure
The Great Depression now is spreading
God's will declared, it would be so
49825  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Getting very close to deleting myself. on: December 14, 2004, 06:01:35 am
I've been staying out of certain threads ever since I came here...
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