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49801  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Really cool Quiz. on: December 12, 2004, 11:19:39 am
Wow, I'm the only true Republican who has taken this test so far. lol

I don't listen to what party they say I'm affliated with.†

To me, I'm on the line between Libertarian and Conservative.

Besides, if they would have asked an Abortion or Gay Marriage question, my ranking would have probably jumped into the Republican field.
I think that may be precisely why they didn't. It's an extremely biased test.
49802  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Mid-Term Discussion Thread on: December 12, 2004, 10:58:20 am
Most would define fair as following the rules. Democrats define fair as "Hey...I didn't win. You cheated!"
Actually, on the Atlas, that's never been yet been said by people without blue Pennsylvania avatars.

Now, as to rules: Most would define fair as following, and making, fair rules.
49803  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Live From Philadelphia, MANN Mid-Term Coverage on: December 12, 2004, 10:53:49 am
MANN has called the Pacific Governor's race for Gov.Wildcard, but not the Lt.Gov.'s race, despite the fact that my lead is currently larger than Wildcard's. ;(
49804  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: The truth comes out on: December 12, 2004, 10:51:33 am
Hand counting is used all over Europe.
And we don't have your problems.
And yes, no coincidence.
Obviously, always having several people, with different political views, around at the count helps. Smiley
49805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Statement from the Union Party Chairman on the Deletion of Hermit on: December 12, 2004, 10:39:28 am
One of two things:
1. It will count for Hermit, and if he wins, he will not be able to serve, and a special election will be held.
2. Because Hermit is not a user, he cannot recieve votes and all his votes will be treated as if they were for an imaginary candidate

I would support option 2. His votes should automatically default to the 2nd preference.
There is established precedent on the course to follow.
A vote by Ernest in another SE Senate race IIRC.
49806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NEW PARTY on: December 12, 2004, 10:36:59 am
I hope to work with the FLP in those areas we agree and will try to convince them of the errancy of their ideas where we do not.
49807  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Bandit is writing a book! on: December 12, 2004, 10:31:18 am
The colour scheme is ugly.
49808  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: The truth comes out on: December 12, 2004, 10:17:58 am
A voter circles or underlines the name of Candidate "Y" but does not actually make an "X" or "line" on the ballot...?

Is this a vote for "Y"...?
Yes.
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A voter crosses off the name of one candidate, but again makes no "X" or "line" on the ballot...

Is this a "vote"....?
Uh...depends on what the guideline says. Smiley
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A voter circles "X" on the ballot but then puts then marks there ballot next to "Y"...

Is this a vote for "X" or "Y" or neither, or both...?
Overvote.
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The combinations are endless...

These are not unusual cases by the way, in a ballot box of 1000 votes it is not unusual to have a couple dozen that are "unusual" in some way...
Now that's an overstatement. Although I've noticed that, here in Germany, there are more "funny" ballots in working class areas than in more white-collar precincts.
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Here is my proposal to end all the fuss...

1) Registration ends 30 days before the election.† To register you must produce 2 pieces of picture ID, OR be swore in by somebody with 2 piecces of ID who will personally and legally vouch for your identity.†

The false swearing in or vouching for a voter gets you 10 years in jail. (ie if you say somebody is indeed "x" and it turns out to be false, you go to jail) - WE enforce this rule with ZERO tollerance.

2) A list of all registered voters is published 21 days before the election.† The list is on the internet, available at government offices, etc.† There is a 24 hour a day 1-800 number where you can also phone in and verify that you are registered.† You have 1 week to clear things (address, clerical errors, etc) up if you are not on the list.

3) Everybody brings 2 pieces of ID to vote, OR are sworn in by somebody with 2 pieces (same punishment if you say you can verify somebody is indeed "X" when they turn out to be "Y"
On the whole, this is rather too complicated. Part 2 is exactly as it should be, though. If there are any inclarities about your registration, government should not have the right to remove you from the list without having successfully contacted you first. breaching this rule should also mean jail.

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4) Everybody votes via optical scanner.

5) Before you leave, you scan your ballot with a "test" scanner, which will show you who you have voted for.†

If your ballot does not scan, you get to correct or replace your ballot.† After you have verified that the machine correctly reads your ballot, you give it to the poll worker who places it in the ballot box.

6) If the optical scanner cannot read your ballot after it is deposited, it is a null and void vote.
A rather weak replacement for a paper ballot...

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All that is needed is a desire to fix the system... it's easy...
There is no desire to fix the system, however...
Some more points that need to be addressed:
There will have to be uniform standards of registration, ballot design etc across the voting area (state, in the case of elector ["presidential"] elections.)
Given the many, many things Americans are allowed to vote on, a purely hand counted paper ballot will be impractical. I'd advocate some sort of machine-readable paper ballot (such as the optical scan thing Vorlon lines out) with all ballots in all elections machine counted on election night and hand counted in the two weeks after.
The hand count result is the valid official result. The election night coutn is for information value only.
49809  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Voting history of the four counties won by Debs on: December 12, 2004, 10:04:14 am
since then Beltrami county has been split, Lake of the Woods county was part of it when it voted for Debs.

Ironic that the last time Lake county voted for a Republican was a landslide year, for Hoover in 1932. It was also the only county in Minnesota to vote for Hoover. Of course it only voted for Hoover because Normal Thomas split the vote.

Another fun fact: St. Louis county, which contains Duluth, is next to Lake. Prior to 1932 it had never voted for a Democrat. It has voted for the Democrat in every single election after 1932.
So Northern MN was a mixed Republican-Socialist area with very little Dem support back then...cool.
49810  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: An idea on: December 10, 2004, 10:47:40 am
e.g. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that murder should be against the law - there's no need to repass it every ten years.
I think there should be a personal exception for me.
I'm fine with that being valid for only ten years. Smiley
49811  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Write-in King for District 5: A Moderate Candidate for a Moderate District! on: December 10, 2004, 09:30:43 am
Oh well, I've written you in, King. I've also written in quite a bit of nonsense (though I haven't followed the sage Peter Bell's advice).
I would just like to point out that all these write-ins are not meant to be insulting to Sen.StevenNick.
49812  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Official Midterm Senate Elections Voting Booth on: December 10, 2004, 09:28:22 am
District 5
Gabu
(write in) Lewis Trondheim
(write in) Wildcard
(write in) Jesus
(write in) King
StevenNick
49813  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: VOTING BOOTH OF THE PACIFIC on: December 10, 2004, 09:26:19 am
Please vote for the following offices

Governor of the Pacific
Governor Wildcard (I-CA)

Lieutenant Governor
Mr. Lewis Trondheim(UL-HI)

Please vote Yes or No for the following propositions

Proposition 1: The Medical Marijuana Legalization Act
Yes

Proposition 2: The Children's Hospital Act
Yes

Proposition 3: Family Day
No

Proposition 4: Regional Court
No

Proposition 5: The Pacific National Guard Expansion Act
No

Proposition 6: Candidate and Proposition Deadline Act
No

Proposition 7: Science Tax Cut Act
No

Proposition 8: The Pacific University Iniative
Yes

Proposition 9:Term Limits Act
No
49814  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: European Political Ideologies Test on: December 10, 2004, 09:17:56 am
Green
Social Liberal
Anarchist (they call it Anarcho-Communist)
Classical Socialist
Communist
Social Democrat
3rd Way
Christian Democrat
Anarcho Capitalist
Market Liberal
Libertarian Conservative
Fascist

The definition they give of what a Green is is pretty absurd, but I guess the internals are more accurate. This may explain Alcon's confusion.
Highly accurate results. I guess I'd be even more satisfied if Ancap and Market Liberal came before CD and 3rd Way...
49815  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: European Political Ideologies Test on: December 10, 2004, 09:08:31 am
1. fascist
2. libertarian conservative
3. christian democrat

Okay, any test that puts "fascist" first and "libertarian" second in someone's results has something wrong with it.
Given whose tests result we're talking about, this is looking strikingly accurate.
49816  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: GO RHODE ISLAND on: December 10, 2004, 08:57:43 am
Rhode Island has only 3 counties. What is more impressive is that none of South Carolinas (many) counties voted republican for 11 straight elections back in the early 20th century

South Carolina was the D.C. of the late 19th and early 20th Century. The Democratic Party was simply the party that the voters voted for. A good example is that South Carolinians really didn't like Woodrow Wilson in 1912. The South Carolinian delegates voted for Champ Clark at the Convention in Baltimore on all 16 ballots cast.† Yet they all voted for him due to the (D) by his name.
There's one slight difference though...turnout at General elections in SC was below 10% of male VAP.
49817  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Who should be (hillary's) running mate? on: December 10, 2004, 08:52:49 am
Long time no see, Mr President.

Good† or Bad?
Neutral. Smiley
49818  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Who should be (hillary's) running mate? on: December 09, 2004, 10:07:20 am
Long time no see, Mr President.
49819  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Really cool Quiz. on: December 09, 2004, 10:05:59 am
Some questions loaded to the point of obscenity.
Included factually untrue statements.
Two questions (airwaves and subsidies) where I really wanted to pick the two options at the extremes since everything in between was pure bullsh*t and these two included true points that a sensible policy would have to address.
But I got a Liberal result so it can't be too bad. Smiley
49820  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Was jmfcst banned? on: December 09, 2004, 09:47:34 am
He has reregistered since, though.
49821  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Forum Political Map on: December 09, 2004, 09:44:25 am

As it says on the site, 13th August 2004

Iím sorry I didnít see that before, I looked, but thank you for taking the time to reply to that post, and again your site rocks!

Cheesewiz, when you reach 18 posts you should register.
Yes, Iím racing to get 18 posts before my regionís next election on December 10th Wink

I wouldn't call that racing...I've seen people churn out 18 oneliners in two hours.
49822  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: King Kamehameha IV endorses Lewis Trondheim on: December 09, 2004, 09:43:07 am
I thank you for your support, Sam.
49823  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: District 5 Debate Poll Results on: December 09, 2004, 09:41:11 am
Cool.
I'm the only one to vote against Steve. Smiley
49824  General Politics / Individual Politics / Something's wrong with the Political Compass on: December 08, 2004, 01:21:23 pm
I just scored a more extreme mark on economic than on social for the very first time!
Econ: -6.75
Social: -6.05
49825  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should the voting age be lowered to 16? on: December 08, 2004, 01:12:48 pm
The vast majority of 16 year olds, or 14 year olds even, are politically better informed than your average 75year old. That's just a fact.

Been to high school lately? I was there just a couple years ago. I think you're wrong. In reality, both are probably ignorant. The 75 year old will generally only care about issues pertaining to senior citizens, and therefore be informed on them, but the teenager generally just doesn't care.

I have to say that some teens are more informed than some people in their 70s, not all. I'm in high school. Do you know how many times I'm asked "Why do you care who gets elected?" You know how often I have to bite my tongue when a friend says "I could care less about who wins the Presidential election" and goes about telling me other ridiculous stuff? How often I have to hear why an idiotic TV show is important but voting...oh who cares about that? But like I said not all teenagers are like this. There are just too many of them that it's not worth the effort to get 16 year olds to vote.
Yeah, I didn't mean "all".
But: It's not worth the effort? You mean the effort of a big registration and GOTV drive? Or the effort of changing the Constitution to make it possible for them to vote?
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