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49801  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What SHOULD the tax burden be? on: December 22, 2004, 03:30:00 am
As much as is necessary. Duh.
49802  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is raising taxes good for the economy, neutral, or bad? on: December 22, 2004, 03:28:44 am
There is a big difference between government and a business. Business can only get your money if you give it voluntarily in exchange for their services or products.
Not if you need the service or product to live - in which case you only have some very limited choice, nowhere near enough for market conditions to apply.
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By comparison lets look at a government run "business", public schools.
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Of course, if you look at schooling as a business, you have already failed some basic common sense tests.
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to pay for the schools even if you don't have kids and never use the schools.
You did go to school, you have used it. Quite apart from the Social Security and Healthcare costs incurred by low birth rates.
49803  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is raising taxes good for the economy, neutral, or bad? on: December 22, 2004, 03:24:35 am
This so entirely depends on
-who you're going to tax
-how high they're currently taxed
-what you're going to tax them for
-what they're currently getting taxed for
-what you're going to do with the money
-what you're currently doing with the current tax income
...that, quite apart from "refusing" to answer this overly simplistic poll, it is simply impossible to do so, to have any sort of grasp of the matter, and to remain intellectually honest at the same time.
49804  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 03:19:22 am
I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.
Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that. Smiley
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.
49805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Midgard Chronicle on: December 22, 2004, 02:47:38 am
(It was just north of the border, ernest)

Gregory Hollis shocked by lack of interest
The sole remaining member of the Hollis family of Dallas, TX, which lost two children, an unborn baby and their mother spoke out today about the lack of compassion. In a brief statement released today he csaid that he had seen only very little news coverage and no governmental concern. "After the way we've been ignored by the government, there is no chance of me voting for any any of my senators, governors or Presidents". He was especially concerned about the lack of action the president is taking, and the fact that all survivors of the flight have been ignored.

"This is a national tragedy, but people seem to care more about some nutjob Republican from Iowa". When pressed if he meant John, he replied "Well that's open for interpretation".

This has been a Midgard wire service report.
LOL!
49806  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Santorum and Obama - Who's Next 2005 on: December 22, 2004, 02:43:55 am
I can't help mentioning Newsweek's got a much less flattering photo of Rick up than you do, Phil.
49807  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:35:56 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.

Way to blow it way out of proportion. Global Dictator makes more sense.
Yeah, I know. Afghanistan was something of an exaggeration. Though my statement is much closer to the truth than "Everything about the way elections are held in Florida is just fine."

Almost every election has its share of dirtiness. Humans aren't perfect and therefore no election can be perfect.
Western European elections do not. Face it.
49808  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:23:48 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.

Way to blow it way out of proportion. Global Dictator makes more sense.
Yeah, I know. Afghanistan was something of an exaggeration. Though my statement is much closer to the truth than "Everything about the way elections are held in Florida is just fine."
49809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 02:21:56 am
heck I even have black people in my classes.
There's a little telltale word here...

And what would that little word be?
Well, one might claim there's actually two, but I was referring to "even", not "heck".
49810  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alternate Marijuana Legalization Bill on: December 22, 2004, 02:20:10 am
The word 'control' should be replaced by 'regulate' in section 2. Control implies that the government will be the ones doing the manufacturing.
...and selling, which would make the sales tax highly redundant.

Age limit - I'd advocate 16. I'd do the same for Alcohol and Cigarettes.

Re: JFK. Yeah, those studies. Virtually all practitioners in the field agree that this is because schizophrenics self-medicate with Marijuana (not that it helps, in the long run.)
49811  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Most Ignored State on: December 22, 2004, 02:12:59 am
Delaware can't possibly be the most ignored state because of all the attention it's getting on this thread Smiley

Besides, isn't Joe Biden from Delaware? He's a decently well-known senator, right? And whether it's because I'm from Maryland or not, I know Ruth Ann Minner is the recently re-elected governor there. And I also know it's where a lot of companies choose to incorporate, and that it's dominated by the northern Wilmington county, a fact which has been discussed on this site before.

I'll agree with Bono and Bob... Idaho has its Mike Crapo, North Dakota is Byron Dorgan, Montana is Judy Martz, Nebraska its Cornhuskers, while not distinctly political, still a team of distinction. Wyoming has nothing.
Uh - Dick Cheney?
49812  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:10:02 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.
49813  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 02:05:01 am
heck I even have black people in my classes.
There's a little telltale word here...
49814  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: New Test on: December 22, 2004, 02:00:55 am
As predictable...
Radical
Liberal
Left-Libertarian
Third Way
....
Conservative
Paleo-Conservative
49815  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alcon For Congress Thread! on: December 22, 2004, 01:54:30 am
- John cannot dance.
Sure he can.
49816  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: StevenNick press conference on: December 22, 2004, 01:51:02 am
Steve: I don't mind you as SoFA if you act in a non-partisan way.

I plan to do just that, Al.  In fact, the report that I am currently preparing in regards to voting regulations has vast implications in the disputed district 4 senate election that republicans will not be entirely pleased with.

Looking forward with interest to what you have to say! I have some ideas of my own, but I'm waiting until I'm sworn in and the Senate backog is gone before I present them. What you have to say will impact what I push for in the Senate.
Very glad to hear that, from both of you.


Oh, one thing: Effectively, our current law already requires constant reregistration - at the ballot box, every four months.
49817  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Kerry Loses 31 Elector Votes? on: December 22, 2004, 01:33:30 am
Article says the votes were cast for John F Kerry, and "only" the certified document is wrong...LOL.
49818  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NEW: Progressive Caucus on: December 21, 2004, 05:41:17 am
We're now in the process of electing a chairman, and could maybe all the members turn up to actually vote? Smiley
That'd be superb. Thanks.
49819  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of StevenNick for SoFA on: December 21, 2004, 05:32:35 am
I'm sure that StevenNick will use Fritz's precendents to govern elections
Well, he hasn't said he would...
49820  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alcon For Congress Thread! on: December 21, 2004, 05:23:18 am
Oh, and you notice the only Congressman John you could run against is Senator John F Kennedy, don't you?

Remember that "election" in which John the Troll got "elected" to the "House"?

I suppose if you don't, then you wouldn't know what this is about.
Yeah, I noticed which John he's talking about, although I was a little slow in noticing. But I think he should run for Senate. Smiley
49821  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Favorite Quotes on: December 21, 2004, 05:02:08 am
"Yossarian had done his best to warn him the night before. "You haven't got a chance, kid" he had told him glumly. "They hate Jews."

"But I'm not Jewish", answered Clevinger.

"It will make no difference", Yossarian promised, and Yossarian was right. "They're after everybody."

I'm reareading this book currently... Cheesy

I love Catch-22.. it is worth re-reading several times.  Not a bad movie either.

I unfortunately never got a chance to finish it, was very busy around the time I was reading it.
Nothing could be as important as finishing to read this book. Go back to it this instant.
49822  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: am i really a republican? on: December 21, 2004, 04:59:51 am
Yes, you're a republican and a good one at that Wink
That's an oxymoron. Smiley

You're a good man, a misguided soul, and a Republican voter.
49823  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alcon For Congress Thread! on: December 21, 2004, 04:53:16 am
Oh, and you notice the only Congressman John you could run against is Senator John F Kennedy, don't you?
49824  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alcon For Congress Thread! on: December 21, 2004, 04:51:51 am
As mayor of Thunder Hawk for the past four years,
...
For these past eight years, I have represented the values of Thunder Hawk
Uh...now how long?
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Alcon's beautiful wife and two pictureesque children come out, along with kittens and ice cream cones are handed out.
You're fourteen and got two children? Right.
49825  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is opebo a libertarian? on: December 20, 2004, 01:26:27 pm
Opebo isn't a libertarian. He is an Opeboist, its a cross between a Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, and Populist...
...not to forget Libertine... Smiley
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