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49801  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 05:48:26 am
Well I lived in Far Rockaway. All black.  My family moved because the neighborhood was getting too rough and robberies were rampant.  I actually grew up in Long Beach, NY.  A good party, drinking community on the Ocean.  The city is very segregated though.  I lived in the "west end" which was majority Irish with  Italians and Germans.  A christian area basically.  Going east along the ocean you have the Jewish area- Orthodox, reform and hasid who all hate each other:)  On the other side- the bay side you have the hispanic and black community.  We didn't go to the "black area" to hang out and they did not come to our part of town to party.  Then again we beat up a lot more "out of towners" than any race.  Most towns are segregated around these parts is my overall message. Al, look it up on fair data you can probably tell the different neighborhoods by socioecon.  11561.

Long Beach: Blacks heavily concentrated in a small area in the North Central part of the city. Hispanics centred on the same area, but spread out more throught the rest of the city. The Black/Hispanic area has higher poverty rates than the rest of the city and much lower Median HH Income.

Nassau county has a serious segregation problem: Map
Yes.
But then, America has a serious segregation problem.
49802  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 05:41:58 am
Nice thread hijack we've executed here. Smiley
49803  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 04:04:37 am
But I've never heard there are any problem with the most basic points, ie, the voter register, the actual counting of votes, the prevention of ballot box stuffing...at least not since the Army marched in 35 years ago.

The problem in Northern Ireland is "Vote Early, Vote Often"...
So they do have ballot box stuffing?
49804  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The National Atlasian: Keeping You Informed on: December 22, 2004, 04:03:06 am
Obviously I don't blame you at all for not knowing all that stuff. You've only been around two months, after all.
49805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The National Atlasian: Keeping You Informed on: December 22, 2004, 04:02:03 am
Mr. Bell has his hands full. He is the hardworking Attorney General, the Candidate for Northeast Governor and he’s looking into a presidential run. He has a good chance of winning the Governors race and being a well respected member of the forum he may do well in any Presidential race if he runs. Mr. Bell is a left leaning independent which makes his status as a presidential candidate rather odd. If he does runs he is likely to get few first preference votes since the Centre-Left is a very small contingency and Hugh Bartlett is also probably running for President as a Centre-Leftist. If the AFDNC nominates Mr. Bell then people more on the far left may feel like Mr. Bell does not represent their views and may run another candidate, but the effect that this will have is practically nil since most if not all the second preference votes would go to Mr. Bell. The main problem is would the AFDNC be willing to endorse a candidate who is outside of the AFDNC, an Independent and a man has long been associated with the UAC. If the AFDNC does think that he can unify the left and bring in Centrist votes then he may be the lefts candidate. The problem would be would he bring in Centrist votes? While he may get second preference from the likes of Nation and Hugh it seems rather far fetched to think that the mainstream Union or Freedom Party voter would vote for Mr. Bell over President Brunsel. But then again nobody thought that True Democrat could win in a contest with Andrew and nobody thought that The Bulldog could get within one vote of beating Chris Soult so it a moderate leftist
Oh, I did. But that's beside the point...
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like Mr. Bell may be able to win over enough support to win.
The point being...
Here's Pete's political affiliation history:
-Only person on the original register to be registered as neither Democratic nor Republican but Independent.
-Voted for Nym in the first election
-Set up the Progressive Party with Dunn (RIP), ILikeVerin and me
-Left us to set up the UAC with JFK, ILikeVerin, Gustaf, Andrew...UAC promptly overrun by Republicans
-Proclaimed himself a "Centrist for Nym" in the second presidential election
-Switched to the Democrats almost immediately after the election
-Was rather inactive for the better part of three months
-Switched registration to Independent
-Voted Al as first preference, PB over Harry in the third presidentials, explaining he based his decisions on character not policy.
-Currently active in setting up the Progressive Caucus.

You really think the Far Left disapproves of him?
And, more to the point:
You really think we'd approve of him more as a Democrat than as an Independent?
Think again.
49806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The National Atlasian: Keeping You Informed on: December 22, 2004, 03:52:18 am
Ignore part of my post since a partial count has already been done.
49807  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The National Atlasian: Keeping You Informed on: December 22, 2004, 03:50:43 am
Candidates Line Up
With the Presidential Races in Two Months Parties Search for the Man Who Can Beat PBrunsel

Peter Bell and Hugh have both announced their candidacies in the past week while Nym90 seem to be on the verge of announcing his bid for the Presidency. This is all in an attempt to bring down a President who appears close to becoming Atlasia’s first two term President. AFDNC Interim Chairman Alex Knobel said that “The Left must be united,” and that “Nym could do it. Siege could do it.” But it is also a matter of who runs. If the UL puts out a candidate, especially if they produce a Siege40/Trondheim ticket, they could have even more success than Al did in the last elections.
Thank you. Smiley
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Also a new party on the left, the Farmer Labor Party, has a few people how could try for a run. While the AFDNC may be looking for a unified left their chances are being reduced by the amount of candidates that are being brought up. Also centre-leftist Hugh Bartlett has said today that he will run for President as an Independent affiliated with MAMA. It still has to be seen if Hugh can bring in any more support than his last run though he seems to be relegated to second or third preference. While some have said that PBrunsel is a do nothing as President he is widely popular and has a good shot at not only getting the AFRNC nomination but also the Freedom Party nomination. In the Centre some have been whispering about an Ernest/Andrew ticket although their has not been any official word from either Ernest, Andrew, or the Union Party about any Presidential plans. Although the AFDNC has been working toward this united left theory it has to be said that most of Al’s votes in the last Presidential Election went to Harry after Al was eliminated so the left has been united for a long while.
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I'd have to do a proper count but I'm not sure that's true. Lots of ULers preferenced Hugh and/or Nation above Harry. Two didn't list Harry (nor PB) at all.
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This is sure to be an interesting electoral season as more people come into the race. 
49808  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 03:45:57 am
I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.
Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that. Smiley
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.

If enough black people move into a community, the white people move out.
Yes...but don't think that is any different in Southern cities. They have the overt racism to boot, not instead.
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That is the awful truth here in SE NY.  I lived and my parents were raised in Rockaway NY.  They lived in the "Projects" which were pretty nice at the time but Mayor Lindsay and his city planning idiots decided that they were going to remake the city.  My family was removed from the projects because they made too much money. My Grandmother and a few of her five daughters worked so it was decided that they should me removed from the projects.  My Grandmother, a huge liberal, took the city to Court and argued that they were going to create a ghetto out of the area by forcing out middle class people black and white. The city didn't listen and the area is now a warzone.
Yeah, Socialist stupidity...Giving flats in Housing Projects only to those who need subsidized housing is all very fine, but forcing people to move out as soon as they don't need it any more is hurtful - it's destabilizing the neighborhood. We've had experiments with that in Frankfurt as well - not evicting those who earn too much, but raising their rent to the point where they could find something in a nicer neighborhood for the same price or less. It should be a planning aim to have rich people live right next to poor people. 
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I grew up in a Mixed community but it was more segregated than any southern town would be.
How so.
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  Segregation is done by stelth up here but it is the same.  All realtors have their code words.
Yes, but don't think this is any different in the Southern cities. They have the overt - but I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Smiley
49809  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 03:37:03 am
How much do those guys pay you? Smiley
49810  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 03:35:51 am
Western European elections do not. Face it.

Except Northern Ireland o/c
?
They got very high turnout in some areas, very low in others, no doubt due to massive community pressure/intimidation.
But I've never heard there are any problem with the most basic points, ie, the voter register, the actual counting of votes, the prevention of ballot box stuffing...at least not since the Army marched in 35 years ago.
49811  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What SHOULD the tax burden be? on: December 22, 2004, 03:30:00 am
As much as is necessary. Duh.
49812  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is raising taxes good for the economy, neutral, or bad? on: December 22, 2004, 03:28:44 am
There is a big difference between government and a business. Business can only get your money if you give it voluntarily in exchange for their services or products.
Not if you need the service or product to live - in which case you only have some very limited choice, nowhere near enough for market conditions to apply.
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By comparison lets look at a government run "business", public schools.
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Of course, if you look at schooling as a business, you have already failed some basic common sense tests.
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to pay for the schools even if you don't have kids and never use the schools.
You did go to school, you have used it. Quite apart from the Social Security and Healthcare costs incurred by low birth rates.
49813  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Is raising taxes good for the economy, neutral, or bad? on: December 22, 2004, 03:24:35 am
This so entirely depends on
-who you're going to tax
-how high they're currently taxed
-what you're going to tax them for
-what they're currently getting taxed for
-what you're going to do with the money
-what you're currently doing with the current tax income
...that, quite apart from "refusing" to answer this overly simplistic poll, it is simply impossible to do so, to have any sort of grasp of the matter, and to remain intellectually honest at the same time.
49814  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 03:19:22 am
I will say it again: Segregation is a lot worse in the North.  Dazzleman; a very good and intelligent poster, noted how he could go without having to go into a black neighborhood his whole life.
Might've something to do with lower overall Black populations, though...especially with MUCH lower rural Black populations - which, in turn, derive from - ah, but you know that. Smiley
By which, of course, I am not saying the North doesn't have a residential segregation problem. Quite the opposite.
49815  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Midgard Chronicle on: December 22, 2004, 02:47:38 am
(It was just north of the border, ernest)

Gregory Hollis shocked by lack of interest
The sole remaining member of the Hollis family of Dallas, TX, which lost two children, an unborn baby and their mother spoke out today about the lack of compassion. In a brief statement released today he csaid that he had seen only very little news coverage and no governmental concern. "After the way we've been ignored by the government, there is no chance of me voting for any any of my senators, governors or Presidents". He was especially concerned about the lack of action the president is taking, and the fact that all survivors of the flight have been ignored.

"This is a national tragedy, but people seem to care more about some nutjob Republican from Iowa". When pressed if he meant John, he replied "Well that's open for interpretation".

This has been a Midgard wire service report.
LOL!
49816  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Santorum and Obama - Who's Next 2005 on: December 22, 2004, 02:43:55 am
I can't help mentioning Newsweek's got a much less flattering photo of Rick up than you do, Phil.
49817  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:35:56 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.

Way to blow it way out of proportion. Global Dictator makes more sense.
Yeah, I know. Afghanistan was something of an exaggeration. Though my statement is much closer to the truth than "Everything about the way elections are held in Florida is just fine."

Almost every election has its share of dirtiness. Humans aren't perfect and therefore no election can be perfect.
Western European elections do not. Face it.
49818  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:23:48 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.

Way to blow it way out of proportion. Global Dictator makes more sense.
Yeah, I know. Afghanistan was something of an exaggeration. Though my statement is much closer to the truth than "Everything about the way elections are held in Florida is just fine."
49819  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 02:21:56 am
heck I even have black people in my classes.
There's a little telltale word here...

And what would that little word be?
Well, one might claim there's actually two, but I was referring to "even", not "heck".
49820  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Alternate Marijuana Legalization Bill on: December 22, 2004, 02:20:10 am
The word 'control' should be replaced by 'regulate' in section 2. Control implies that the government will be the ones doing the manufacturing.
...and selling, which would make the sales tax highly redundant.

Age limit - I'd advocate 16. I'd do the same for Alcohol and Cigarettes.

Re: JFK. Yeah, those studies. Virtually all practitioners in the field agree that this is because schizophrenics self-medicate with Marijuana (not that it helps, in the long run.)
49821  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Most Ignored State on: December 22, 2004, 02:12:59 am
Delaware can't possibly be the most ignored state because of all the attention it's getting on this thread Smiley

Besides, isn't Joe Biden from Delaware? He's a decently well-known senator, right? And whether it's because I'm from Maryland or not, I know Ruth Ann Minner is the recently re-elected governor there. And I also know it's where a lot of companies choose to incorporate, and that it's dominated by the northern Wilmington county, a fact which has been discussed on this site before.

I'll agree with Bono and Bob... Idaho has its Mike Crapo, North Dakota is Byron Dorgan, Montana is Judy Martz, Nebraska its Cornhuskers, while not distinctly political, still a team of distinction. Wyoming has nothing.
Uh - Dick Cheney?
49822  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Gregoire by 8 votes on: December 22, 2004, 02:10:02 am
"Sometimes you have to cheat to get ahead!"

Washington has much cleaner elections than Florida.
Afghanistan has much cleaner elections than Florida. Or, me fears, than Washington.
49823  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: From another board re: The South on: December 22, 2004, 02:05:01 am
heck I even have black people in my classes.
There's a little telltale word here...
49824  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: New Test on: December 22, 2004, 02:00:55 am
As predictable...
Radical
Liberal
Left-Libertarian
Third Way
....
Conservative
Paleo-Conservative
49825  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Alcon For Congress Thread! on: December 22, 2004, 01:54:30 am
- John cannot dance.
Sure he can.
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