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51  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton should pick Booker on: January 07, 2015, 03:19:32 pm
Everyone says she should pick a Latino, but I'm not too worried about them. Hillary is more popular than Obama with Latinos and the immigration issue is getting bigger with the GOP base. The nominee is almost certainly going to have to pander to them during the primaries, and probably say something incredibly stupid in doing so.

I think people are underestimating the degree to which the Clintons are still controversial in the black community, in more than one poll I've seen Biden does much better in the AA vote than Hillary against potential nominees. Not that they are going GOP, they are just undecided. At the very least, turnout could go down a decent amount with them, and that could be deadly in a close race. A Booker VP slot would be a sign of good faith towards the AA community, and would ensure there's no significant damage there.

Bottom line: I don't Latinos are going to necessarily be more likely to vote for someone simply because there are running with a Latino. However, Hillary picking a black VP could mend any existing rift or suspicion of racism between them and the Clintons.

If this is true (it's not), picking Booker is exactly the type of move I would expect from Republicans, not Democrats.

There is every other reason in the world to not pick Booker. This is a horrible idea.

So the PPP internals are wrong?
52  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton should pick Booker on: January 07, 2015, 02:39:41 pm
He'd send the base into revolt. Clinton needs to shore up her left flank more than her center appeal. If she wants a black running mate, she'd be smarter to pick Deval Patrick.

An unpopular Governor from Massachusetts? No.
53  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton should pick Booker on: January 07, 2015, 02:25:03 pm
I hate to bring this up, but it's awkward that Booker is neither openly gay nor married.

So he can either come out, get a girlfriend, or get a beard. Easy fix, no?
54  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which is likelier (or less unlikely)? on: January 07, 2015, 02:16:05 pm
Option 2 (not a moron)
55  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Clinton should pick Booker on: January 07, 2015, 02:00:19 pm
Everyone says she should pick a Latino, but I'm not too worried about them. Hillary is more popular than Obama with Latinos and the immigration issue is getting bigger with the GOP base. The nominee is almost certainly going to have to pander to them during the primaries, and probably say something incredibly stupid in doing so.

I think people are underestimating the degree to which the Clintons are still controversial in the black community, in more than one poll I've seen Biden does much better in the AA vote than Hillary against potential nominees. Not that they are going GOP, they are just undecided. At the very least, turnout could go down a decent amount with them, and that could be deadly in a close race. A Booker VP slot would be a sign of good faith towards the AA community, and would ensure there's no significant damage there.

Bottom line: I don't Latinos are going to necessarily be more likely to vote for someone simply because there are running with a Latino. However, Hillary picking a black VP could mend any existing rift or suspicion of racism between them and the Clintons.
56  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: President Obama threatens to veto Keystone XL Pipeline on: January 07, 2015, 12:55:11 pm
The people who would save money and get jobs because of this pipeline


Yeah I filled up at $1.74 a gallon yesterday. I could have been paying $1.73 a gallon if we built this pipeline.

Every penny adds up.
57  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton vs. Christie on: January 07, 2015, 10:25:42 am
My map



Christie could very well put MO in play. Clinton isn't coming within single digits in WV, KY or AR.
Trust me, no way are MO, WV, KY, or AR going for a moderate Republican from New Jersey over Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary was a Manchin type that might be the case, but she's not. She's not getting within 10% in those states. AR & WV have turned against the Democratic party in general, not even just the national party at this point. Bill barely won KY even with the aide of Ross Perot, so it's absurd to think Hillary even has a chance there.
The governor of Kentucky is a Democrat, so there certainly is a a chance.

You just proved my point. Beshear is a Manchin type, he's nothing like Hillary.
58  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton vs. Christie on: January 06, 2015, 06:50:49 pm
My map



Christie could very well put MO in play. Clinton isn't coming within single digits in WV, KY or AR.
Trust me, no way are MO, WV, KY, or AR going for a moderate Republican from New Jersey over Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary was a Manchin type that might be the case, but she's not. She's not getting within 10% in those states. AR & WV have turned against the Democratic party in general, not even just the national party at this point. Bill barely won KY even with the aide of Ross Perot, so it's absurd to think Hillary even has a chance there.
59  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton vs. Christie on: January 06, 2015, 05:31:54 pm
My map



Christie could very well put MO in play. Clinton isn't coming within single digits in WV, KY or AR.
60  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How many counties will Hillary win in WV? on: January 06, 2015, 01:38:28 pm
I believe this year's midterms have answered this question: zero.
Just like how the 2010 midterms proved that Obama would lose in 2012, oh wait.

I don't think anyone with a basic understanding of politics claimed that 2010 proved Obama would lose in 2012, given what happened less than 20 years before in 94/96. The trend in WV is undeniable. If Obama hadn't gotten slammed just as bad as Tennant in 2012, than I would say it was just a result of the Republican wave and Hillary could win some counties. I don't see a significant amount of Romney voters crossing over to vote for Hillary in 2016, especially not enough to flip a county. Coal country has become more hostile to national Democrats than the rest of the state, so I'm not sure where the shift would come from.
61  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Hillary hacks circa 2008/Hillary hacks today on: January 06, 2015, 11:08:06 am
The Obamabots of any time are worse than even the most deplorable Paultards.
62  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / CNN exit polls? on: January 06, 2015, 10:27:16 am
I went back to check on a race and it seems they are completely gone for 2012 & 2014, and they don't work for 2010. WTF.
63  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How many counties will Hillary win in WV? on: January 06, 2015, 08:48:54 am
I believe this year's midterms have answered this question: zero.
64  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New Congress will be sworn in today. on: January 06, 2015, 07:34:18 am
I regret being an American today.

So move somewhere more to your liking. Probably somewhere in Scandinavia.
65  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Looks like Huckles is getting ready on: January 05, 2015, 03:18:05 pm
Huckabee is a great choice for the GOP. He locks up MO (Hillary wouldn't have won it anyway but it could have been close), and makes NC lean R. He also appeals to a lot of the working class types in OH that Hillary could have won back from Obama. Of course, Hillary could not have hoped for a better candidate to go up against in CO.

I wonder how he would play in IA. If Ernst could win it by the margin she did in an off year, I don't doubt he could squeak out a Bush 04 win.
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Toomey vs. Sestak rematch on: January 05, 2015, 02:42:00 pm
Maybe. Toomey's carved out a bipartisan image for himself in recent years, he could hold on.

What bipartisan image besides Manchin-Toomey which failed? His voting record is not very moderate in fact he's one of the most conservative in the Senate. Hard to craft a bipartisan image after leading a group like Club for Growth after all.

It was well publicized and more than enough to give him such an image. Just because someone isn't bipartisan doesn't mean they can't be perceived that way.
67  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Elizabeth Warren's message resonate in the Midwest? on: January 05, 2015, 02:33:52 pm
I can't see her winning Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, or Iowa. Michigan would be a toss-up. Illinois would be lean Democrat. Minnesota would be safe Dem. It wouldn't be pretty.

Why do you assume she would do so badly? Warren is critical of Wall Street and we all know that Wall Street is sooooo popular in middle america.

She's a far left politician and Obama is soooooo unpopular in middle America right now.
68  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ron Paul on: January 05, 2015, 02:32:49 pm
Oh please. This whore for the camera/cult leader is anything but genuine.
69  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Elizabeth Warren's message resonate in the Midwest? on: January 04, 2015, 11:30:34 pm
In a year like 2008 with the financial crisis going on she would have been great. In a year like 2016 with a (most likely) unpopular Democratic President and the Midwest trending R, she's got no chance.

I don't think people in the Midwest have forgotten about the financial crisis and have since warmed up to Wall Street. Warren has no connections to Obama like Hilllary does, and there is still plenty of anger over our unfair rigged economic system all across the country, including the Midwest.

They haven't "warmed up" to Wall Street, but the anger is nowhere near as potent as it was, from say, 2008-2011.


Elizabeth Warren has a message. A winning message. And her message doesn't just include identifying the problems but proposing solutions. It's about time we had a president with real ideas and a vision for improving what many people across the United States- including Midwesterners- still view as a fragile and weak economy where it is tough for ordinary Americans to find jobs and the jobs they do find often don't pay enough to support themselves or their families, regardless of what the economists' numbers on paper say.


Are you applying for a job as her speech writer?
70  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary and white females on: January 04, 2015, 11:28:23 pm
Interesting to note, that although Mccain beat Obama with white women 53-46, going by CNN's exit polls Obama actually won the electoral college counting just white women, which shows the power of the southern whites in shifting the numbers. Gore lost them only 49-48, which means he almost certainly won them outside of the south. I think a similar performance for Hillary is possible, though not necessarily likely.
71  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ron Paul on: January 04, 2015, 06:14:19 pm
Creep. HP.
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Toomey vs. Sestak rematch on: January 04, 2015, 06:13:29 pm
Maybe. Toomey's carved out a bipartisan image for himself in recent years, he could hold on.
73  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Looks like Huckles is getting ready on: January 04, 2015, 06:03:31 pm
Won't the tea baggers first need a confirmation that Huckabee is still anti-sodomy?

As a gay member of the Tea Party, I A) Find your terminology extremely offensive. And B) Most tea partiers don't support bedroom regulation.

It's not my terminology. It's the same terminology people on the far right used to criticize Huckabee, and this was his response:  "I am definitely not pro-sodomy ó I promise, scoutís honor."
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Looks like Huckles is getting ready on: January 04, 2015, 04:13:44 pm
Won't the tea baggers first need a confirmation that Huckabee is still anti-sodomy?
75  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Hillary Clinton on: January 03, 2015, 07:14:29 pm
We're seriously doing this?
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