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51  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alt-Right movement tears down mask after election on: November 22, 2016, 09:19:50 am
Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.
You're dense, aren't you?

No. To be honest, the idea that Bannon is an actual Nazi is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a comment at all, actually.
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alt-Right movement tears down mask after election on: November 22, 2016, 07:26:20 am
Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.

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Lies.

That Steven Bannon is not a Nazi? Yup, that's a lie.

Just because the media has slandered him as a Nazi does not make him so. Just like calling Bernie a Communist does not make him one.
53  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Stephen Bannon on: November 22, 2016, 07:20:29 am
HP obviously, but is being slandered to an absolute embarrassing extent right now.
54  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alt-Right movement tears down mask after election on: November 22, 2016, 06:43:53 am
Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.

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Lies.
55  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Alt-Right movement tears down mask after election on: November 22, 2016, 06:10:16 am
Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.
56  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Approval/favorability of Donald Trump on: November 21, 2016, 10:25:03 pm

Favorable Ratings of Recent Presidents-Elect
   Date    Favorable    Unfavorable
      %    %
Donald Trump    2016 Nov 9-13            42    55
Barack Obama    2008 Nov 7-9            68    27
George W. Bush 2000 Dec 15-17    59    36
Bill Clinton    1992 Nov 10-11       58    35

Gallup

http://www.gallup.com/poll/197576/trump-favorability-trails-presidents-elect.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

The President-Elect gets off to a shaky start in winning support immediately after the election. To be sure, Dubya got a one-month head start over the others because of the contest over the election. That looks like a comparative triviality.

42% favorability is awful. Donald Trump won more by winning the right votes than by winning enough votes. 55% unfavorability is close to the low points of the approval ratings of Barack Obama after political setbacks, of which he had many. But this is where Donald Trump starts. In the counter-historical situation in which he would be up for re-election before even being inaugurated, he would lose such a bid. 

Don't blame the times. Barack Obama got inaugurated when people feared that the downturn that they then had would play into a reprise of the Great Depression and when some wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were going very badly for America. Times are generally much better for Americans in November 2016 than in November 2008. Donald Trump has done more to make the political times before becoming President than any prior new President-Elect since... Lincoln?

I am thinking that his "My Way or the Highway" approach to politics will ensure that liberals will have solid contempt for him for a very long time.  Liberals are now almost completely irrelevant to the federal political process until at least 2018 in a miracle for them (involving some economic or military/diplomatic disaster) and in 2020 only if they can participate meaningfully, something yet to be proved. Donald Trump is about as far to the Right as Fidel Castro is on the Left, and I doubt that he will move. Figure that he will have a solid 45% "strong disapproval" rating no matter what happens because that is the core liberal vote.

Meanwhile the approval rate for President Obama is 57%, which is extremely good for a President at the end of a second term.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/197495/obama-job-approval-jumps-four-year-high.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Fasten your seat belts. We're in for a bumpy night. -- Margo Channing (Bette Davis),
All About Eve, 1950. (It's usually cited as "ride").


   

That is a blatant falsehood. Trump is not Paul Ryan or Ron Paul.
57  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Why did Dole lose KY & TN in 1996? on: November 21, 2016, 10:08:21 pm
Clinton banned assault weapons, appointed Ruth Bader Ginsburg and was anti-tobacco. He wasn't even a populist Democrat, he signed NAFTA. I understand Clinton winning them in 1992, but why was Dole so bad a candidate he couldn't win these states?
58  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for on: November 20, 2016, 09:49:52 pm
Option 2. Bush's social policies weren't as bad as they could have been, while Reagan's economics were about as bad as a Republican can get away with (though they of course would like to go farther).
59  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can't imagine how this failed to resonate in the Rust Belt... on: November 20, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
Yes, Hillary's campaign was horrific. Most didn't notice it because the polls showed her ahead most of the time.
60  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: South Park Season 20 on: November 20, 2016, 02:04:19 pm
I'm sure it's utter garbage.

You would be correct. Show hasn't been good since season 11.
61  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Howard Dean endorses* Gillibrand for president in 2020 on: November 20, 2016, 01:32:52 pm
[* Not really an endorsement.]

The quasi-endorsements are starting early this time:

http://www.registerstar.com/news/article_53afce3e-ade6-11e6-9e2d-770246b848ab.html

Quote
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean said U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., would be his choice as the Democratic Party candidate in the 2020 presidential election.

According to Dean, he has discussed the possibility with Gillibrand in the past.

"I’ve known Kirsten since she first ran for the House. I would call her a pragmatic progressive. She is smart, sincere and most importantly to me, tough as nails," Dean said.

"If Hillary had not run this year, I would have supported her [Gillibrand] for President," Dean said.

My favorite part of this story is what they do next: Print excerpts from a bunch of “man-on-the-street” interviews with people about Gillibrand 2020.  Seriously, they stopped a New Jersey resident visiting a Hudson art gallery to ask her what she thought about Gillibrand for president.


No. The party needs a real progressive to be competitive in the Midwest and to bring out millennials. Enough with the identity politics!
62  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Trump push for recognition of the Russian annexation of Crimea? on: November 20, 2016, 11:05:45 am
So, the people of Crimea should have no say over where they want to be? If you consider the referendum illegitimate, fine, but are you saying that no referendum should have happened?

In 1861 the states of Texas, Virginia and Tennessee each held a referendum in which their citizens voted in favour of secession from the US. Needless to say, the US federal government did not accept it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession

Russia, by the way, does not tolerate any sort of separatism in its own territories; simply demaning a referendum in a Russian territory on the question of secession is punishable by imprisonment.

It's different because Crimea was with Russia for hundreds of years.
63  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Trump push for recognition of the Russian annexation of Crimea? on: November 20, 2016, 10:24:32 am
Crimea was land that was legitimately Russian up until it was split away and haphazardly assigned to Ukraine.

How exactly was the decision to move Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in the 1950s not legitimate? If your argument is that any decision done by the Soviet Union was illegitimate, then I guess Russia should resign its permanent membership in the UN security council too, since that membership was given to the Soviet Union.

Oh yes, and Königsberg (Kaliningrad now) was legitimately German prior to the Soviets annexing it; when is Putin going to return it?

The history of Russia is a history of continuous imperialist conquest. If we were to go by the principle "to which people does this territory originally belong", Russia would lose much of its territory (including all of Siberia and the Far East where the Russians certainly are not indigenous).

This. I have Russian relatives, and their only argument for Crimea being Russian is "but muh Soviet gift and muh vote!" The smarter ones among them, like my father, oppose the homophobic, racist, authoritative dictatorship of Vladimir Putin.
And please. If your argument is that it was transferred from Russia to Ukraine during the Soviet era, kindly return Alaska to the Russians. I'm sure you will like that a lot.

So, the people of Crimea should have no say over where they want to be? If you consider the referendum illegitimate, fine, but are you saying that no referendum should have happened?
64  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Hillary of 2008 vs. Trump on: November 20, 2016, 10:08:40 am
Maybe not with trump, but hillary in 08, would have won WV, KY, maybe AR, and maybe MO.

She would not have won KY and probably not WV. AR is the only one where she polled consistently well, and even there McCain surged into the lead after he got the nomination.

Polls showed her ahead, and of course McCain surged after he got the nomination, Clinton would have done the same. With that she probably/could've lost IA, IN, CO, VA, and NC.

There was one legit poll that showed her ahead in WV, and it was Survey USA. KY polls showed Conway and Grimes leading early on, come on. And the fact that McCain surged to 50% in AR as soon as he got the nomination showed where it was going to go that year, he didn't get anywhere near that kind of surge in other "swing" states.
65  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Charlie Crist on: November 20, 2016, 09:14:52 am
Voted FF since most here seem to have a psychotic grudge against "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" politicians for some reason.
66  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The Hillary of 2008 vs. Trump on: November 19, 2016, 07:34:53 pm
Maybe not with trump, but hillary in 08, would have won WV, KY, maybe AR, and maybe MO.

She would not have won KY and probably not WV. AR is the only one where she polled consistently well, and even there McCain surged into the lead after he got the nomination.
67  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Based on IQ, have we moved from the dumbest president ever, to the smartest? on: November 19, 2016, 05:13:47 pm
No one ever accused Obama of being an intellectual genius, and because of the fear of racism label being applied to anyone that said so, he was never openly mocked for his intellect.  But the long list of his errors in basic speaking, knowing the number of states, etc, make it clear that he is actually not very bright.

Trump on the other hand, has an IQ likely over 150, making him one of the brightest ever.  Maybe not Thomas Jefferson level, but certainly up there.

I suspect the white house staff that remains will likely be in for a surprising change of culture.

Another right wing liar. Obama misspoke, of course he knows the number of states.
68  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Check your privilege on: November 19, 2016, 05:06:59 pm
I was around a 90 the last time I took it, but this is left-wing propaganda.  Is there anything wrong with being a straight white guy from a well-off family?

No, there is nothing wrong with it.

However, to dismiss it as propaganda is to miss the point (no surprise consider who I'm talking to). If you ever make a comment about someone of another race, sexuality, or gender identity that they say is racist but you deny, understand that you really can't understand where they're coming from because of your privilege. Know that whenever you support a political position that you denying hurting a minority, you will never be able to truly know where they're coming from. Indeed, whenever someone tells you to "check your privilege" they will likely be totally justified.

What utter rubbish.
69  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are liberals upset about Jeff Sessions? on: November 19, 2016, 11:07:58 am
Donald Trump has appointed a white supremacist and anti-Semite as his chief strategist, and now the biggest racist in the United States Senate as his AG. What's next, David Duke for Secretary of Homeland Security?

There is literally no evidence that Bannon is a "white supremacist".
70  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Bernie not win Lackawana and Luzerne counties in the PA primary? on: November 18, 2016, 12:51:49 pm
Wasn't Pennsylvania a closed primary?

This.

OH was open to independents and Bernie couldn't come within 10 points.

And everyone with little intelligence knew that counties with Heavy Dem votes went overwhelmingly to the GOP especially to Kasich. All Independents & a large share of Democrats went to Kasich to stop Trump - And Democrats voted that way to stop a Trump surge!

According to the narrative, Bernie could have won over working class whites, which Hillary lost in places like Lackawana and Luzerne counties, PA; as well as places like Youngstown, OH. This seems plausible. But if this was true, he should have won these places in the primaries as well, no? Had he been able to win working class whites in the primaries, he may have been the nominee. Evidence is, they crossed over for Trump, as opposed to sticking with Bernie.

Closed primaries with a core Dem base where Voter Reg ended a while back. And he came on the back of a loss in NY where he performed below expectations. It really was over after NY if it wasn't already over!

There is no need to insult anybody. I didn't do any research into that particular primary, which is why I was asking others.
71  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Bernie not win Lackawana and Luzerne counties in the PA primary? on: November 18, 2016, 10:17:40 am
Wasn't Pennsylvania a closed primary?

This.

OH was open to independents and Bernie couldn't come within 10 points.

My post was about Pennsylvania not Ohio.


I realize that. But if Bernie was going to perform strongly in places like NE PA why did he do miserably in similar places in OH?
72  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Bernie not win Lackawana and Luzerne counties in the PA primary? on: November 18, 2016, 10:09:40 am
Wasn't Pennsylvania a closed primary?

This.

OH was open to independents and Bernie couldn't come within 10 points.
73  General Politics / Individual Politics / Alternate 2008 Democratic primary on: November 17, 2016, 08:04:29 pm
Let's say the far left prevailed in the 2008 primaries, and instead of Hillary and Obama it came down to Gravel vs Kucinich. Who would you have picked?
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Best examples of Clinton campaign malpractice on: November 17, 2016, 03:45:50 pm
obsession with "going for the landslide" and ignoring key swing states in favor of red states that she was never going to win

This what ultimately killed her campaign.

Arizona, Utah, Georgia? I remember people were even flirting with the idea of taking Texas and Alaska!

The Clinton campaign spent more time campaigning in Iowa and Ohio than they did campaigning in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. They thought they had a solid blue firewall when the actually had nothing of the sort.

The Clinton campaign severely underestimated Trump, and overestimated themselves. I remember watching a CNN interview with Robby Mook on Election Day. He was practically scoffing at the Trump campaign for making a play in Pensylvania and the Great Lake states. He thought it was a desperate move and you could see the smugness on mooks face and hear it in his voice.

Boy were they in for a shock later that night.

There's a rumor that Hillary assaulted Mook on election night and had to be restrained. This might be why.
75  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: oregon court rules that 'nonbinary' is a legal gender on: November 17, 2016, 02:40:41 pm
When will the government recognize otherkin?
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