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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Chelsea Manning on: January 19, 2017, 05:21:06 pm
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2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Would you support annexing the following areas to the Russian Federation? on: January 19, 2017, 04:39:23 pm




Blue + Russia + the Canadian provinces of Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba  = the Russo/North American Federation
Red + British Columbia, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador = the United States of America and Canada

3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / The case for a new Democratic Leadership Council on: January 19, 2017, 02:28:08 pm
The Historical Analogy

32 years ago, Ronald Reagan, who four years earlier the liberal establishment had been convinced could never win, was re-elected in a 49-state landslide. Had it not been for a few thousand votes in Minnesota that went Democratic almost surely only because it was Walter Mondale's home state, the Democrats would have suffered the ignominy of losing every single state in the union. Post-election, former Sixties Ramparts editor Peter Collier came out to say he voted for Reagan.

The Democrats in 1984 were in better shape than today, controlling Congress. Yet a young legislative genius named Al From, who founded a nonprofit council to move the party radically to the center (the DLC), would in just eight years build a new winning coalition that would take back the White House and carry the popular vote in six out of the seven elections from 1992-2016. The Bill Clinton years were a golden age for the country, seeing massive reverses in rising crime, suicide rates, turned the tide in fighting AIDS, an economic boom that lifted up all income brackets and races, the only balanced budget in half a century, and no major wars. Their secret? Move radically to the center. This is what the Democrats should do today.

Setting the Scene

The current sad state of the opposition party hardly needs to be set. They have lost Middle America, aka non-yuppie White America. Watch this video, and ask yourself, how many of these people would be Democrats today? In 1984, this song was touted as an answer to Ronald Reagan! In places like Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia, Missouri -- they're getting shut out. As recently as 2003, Howard Dean could say he wanted "guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks"; now Democrats are trying to ban the Confederate flag. They need a root-and-branch transformation from the party of minorities and big cities to the party of Middle America again.

* Eject guns as a political issue. Gun ownership must be accepted as a part of American culture. The merits of owning a gun can be debated, but any government action to restrict ownership must be off the table.

* Moderate on abortion. Roe v. Wade can be moderated--to allow things like 20 week bans--without being overturned. Defend abortion rights in the early term, while de-emphasize the late term.

* Eject BLM. Police abuse is a serious issue, but it needs to be framed as an issue of police abuse of private citizens, not as an issue of race. All Lives Matter. The violent urban riots of '15-'16, viral outrage, etc. is not helping.

* Stop harassing citizens that disagree with you on social issues, like matters of sexual identity, gender or race. Disagreement doesn't equal prejudice or bad moral character. Abandon identity politics altogether.

Broadly, move to the center.

But Bernie would have won

That's conjectural. Bernie kept saying during the primaries that there was this massive wave of new voters who would turn out for him, but they never showed up. To the extent that he would have been more popular, it was because people saw him as personally an honest, decent guy. It was because some of his ideas appealed across the political "spectrum." It wasn't because he was some far-left socialist.

But progressives have been saying the DLC ushered in neoliberalism and is at fault for everything wrong today. How can the DLC be the model?

The DLC worked for its time. Moving to the center today doesn't mean neoliberalism. You can want money out of politics, to get tough on Wall Street, support nationalistic trade policies, support drug importation, and still be centrist on social issues. In many ways the task is easier now than in the 1980s. The issues they have to move to the center on are more stylistic. "Wedge" issues. Putting people who speak the language of middle America in the front and center. Not necessarily bread and butter issues.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / This is our last day under Obama. on: January 19, 2017, 12:09:06 pm
Savor tonight. Remember it well enough that you can think back years from now. Things are going to get a lot darker from here.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of egalitt on: January 19, 2017, 11:47:29 am
I think that egalitt should be banned from visiting the United States. Such persons are enemies of American people and state who are worse than Assange or Snowden. Actually he should be taken to court, charged and sentenced to imprisonment.
A bit of trolling on an obscure online forum is worse than recklessly leaking massive amounts of classified information?

Didn't you know Atlas is resonsible for deciding up to 90% of American elections?

Are you sure there's proof he's a troll? There's no evidence!
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: An unsystematic rant about the working class and "culture" on: January 19, 2017, 11:01:59 am
There's no need to defend low brow culture. It may not appeal to everyone, but the the nature of entertainment is that its value is in the eye of the beholder.
7  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: RT banned from posting media on Facebook on: January 19, 2017, 10:41:34 am
Great news! We know our government won't stand up to Russia for the next four years, so we'll have to rely on private organizations to do what they can.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: 1/17/17 CNN ORC Poll: Trump Approval at 40% on: January 18, 2017, 03:20:39 pm
The final CNN poll I could find had Clinton up 49%-44% nationally, pre-Comey. If we adjust for the 2-point margin decrease Hillary suffered post-Comey, it was 48%-45% Clinton, only 1 point off from the final result.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Putin: people who criticize Trump are worse than prostitutes on: January 18, 2017, 03:19:08 pm
Putin's assertion that prostitutes are somehow morally bad.

Another reason Putin is terrible.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: All about yourself! on: January 18, 2017, 11:08:05 am
Handling a spouse, live-at-home children, and a single family home means that you are more likely to have given over much of your life over to a huge pile of responsibilities. I would guess the average forum poster is not a married,kids,home type. Single people are more likely to have the time to make psephology and/or racking up thousands of posts about politics on a message board a hobby. Heck, I bet some people leave this place after they get a significant other.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Obama 2.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: January 18, 2017, 10:44:06 am
LOL. In 2014 his approval rating was like 41%. Now that Obama is not a partisan figure Republicans feel free to come out of the woodwork with what they really think of him. They also started to admit that the economy is booming. Republicans have such bad faith. They have their gerrymandering, Electoral College, Senate advantage and rural vote to protect their grip on power and that's all they care about.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Golfer-in-Chief on: January 17, 2017, 05:21:22 pm
The more time he spends golfing, the better.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump sued for defamation by Apprentice contestant on: January 17, 2017, 05:13:50 pm
Why did she wait until now?  Why not during the campaign?  Why not before that?

She didn't want trouble initially, but decided to speak up after other women were coming forward & he was going to be elected president. She filed the lawsuit because he called her a liar.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do anti-abortion atheists exist? on: January 17, 2017, 05:05:17 pm
You can be anti-abortion without thinking abortion should be illegal.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump sued for defamation by Apprentice contestant on: January 17, 2017, 05:02:30 pm
A very brave woman. She has decided to face down the legions of Trump trolls, hackers, the Trump Organization, and the head of the US government. Godspeed!
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: VA-SEN 2018: Laura Ingraham planning a run on: January 17, 2017, 04:59:26 pm
She is a radio show host who, like Trump, has spent her entire career showboating and working in the public sphere. Tim Kaine is a politician who allowed Mike Pence to appear to get the better of him - a little dim. It's not hard to see how she thinks she could beat him.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence on: January 17, 2017, 04:38:50 pm
The best part of this is that Julian Assange said he would agree to be extradited now.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence on: January 17, 2017, 04:22:22 pm
Woah, nice. This is the first time in Obama's entire presidency that he has genuinely surprised me, and with only 3 days left.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the anti-Hillary leftists happy now? on: January 17, 2017, 04:10:55 pm
The left-wing attacks on Clinton, which started even before Bernie's campaign announcement, gave Trump all the ammunition he needed to defeat her in the General Election. Leftist attacks on her as a globalist who supported bad trade deals allowed Trump to run to her left on this critical issue. Leftist attacks on her using the word "superpredator" in 1995 allowed Trump to paint her as a racist and drive down black turnout. Leftist accusations that she was a hawk and warmonger who would get us into a war with Russia allowed Trump to steal anti-war sentiment and the failure of the Iraq war and turn it into an issue that helped him, while defanging her ability to respond to Russian hacks on her campaign. Left-wing accusations that she was corrupt and self-serving were picked up by Trump in his "Crooked Hillary" mantra. Both sides shared the same chant - "Lock Her Up!" shouted protesters at the DNC in July 2016, which were louder and rowdier than any at the RNC. Leftist insistence that she adopt Bernie's far-left platform neutralized her ability to move to the center and run as a DLC Democrat who might have been able to unify liberals and conservatives in a broad-based consensus against Trump. If anything, Trump's case against Hillary was more of a left-wing one than a right-wing one, one that he pulled almost wholesale from the left-wing campaign against her in the primaries. In that sense, we really do have anti-Hillary leftists to thank for president Trump.

The leftist assault on Hillary was all the more absurd in the light of the fact that, even before the "Bernie primary", she was running on a platform that, if enacted, would have resulted in the most progressive status quo in American history.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Instead of eliminating the Electoral College on: January 16, 2017, 09:53:24 pm
Guys, in order for the Electoral College to be eliminated, three fourths of all states would have to vote in favor of that proposal (Constitutional Amendment). That is never ever going to happen. Small states, which dominate the Electoral College, will never vote for the Amendment that would effectively render them irrelevant.

So, let’s stop this futile discussion about elimination of the Electoral College.


You realize that the NPVIC exists? And that Vermont and DC are part of it?

Right. It's absurd how people are like "small states will never vote for NPVIC because they'd be irrelevant under it, unlike the current system" where D.C. is super relevant.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Those who think National Popular Vote is what really matters... on: January 16, 2017, 09:51:12 pm
My view on the popular vote is based on principle, not election results. If it results in an outcome I don't want, so be it. The ideal would be national IRV.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Connecticut Republican politician arrested for grabbing a woman by the... on: January 16, 2017, 05:25:35 pm
He's just following the leader. But hey, Hillary talked about women and girls too much, so that's what you get.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: BRTD vs. Maggie Hassan on: January 16, 2017, 05:10:42 pm
What a great choice between two wonderful people, but I'd have to say BRTD because he's probably a bit more socially liberal.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Barack Obama was the best president since.... on: January 16, 2017, 04:25:22 pm
William Jefferson Clinton. At most, Ronald W. Reagan.
25  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Asian Vote in 2016 on: January 16, 2017, 02:14:10 pm
My parents' Chinese American friends who voted Trump because "he's a businessman" and "I'm sick of wars" (literal quotes) already regretted supporting him after his sabre rattling. My parents who were reluctantly supporting Hillary now say they should have joined me in volunteering for her.
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