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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / What would it take to get this map? on: Today at 02:55:23 am


R: 273
D: 265
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders vs Trump on: Today at 02:21:03 am
After looking carefully at social media data from the NYT, I have a new conclusion:



Trump 298
Sanders 240
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: GA-6? Can Democrat Jon Ossoff win in the special election? on: February 18, 2017, 09:52:41 pm
Handel: End Muslim Immigration
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 05:37:21 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?

-Again, North Korea ended up as a dictatorship due to the decisions of very few people (Stalin, Kim il-Sung, etc.). In any case, North Korea is obviously qualitatively different from similar one-man Marxist-Leninist totalitarian states. Look at its Index of Economic Complexity (of goods exports) -it is roughly at the same level as Mauritius and Greece, not Cuba, which ranks far lower.

Are you seriously arguing that North Korea is better off than Cuba?
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 05:32:38 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?

-North Korea was a Soviet puppet government which remained dancing long after its master had passed. It is the product of people, but of very few people. Dictatorships are always more variable in their acts than democracies. One should generally look at democracies for present purposes.

But if institutions are the product of people, how did North Korea end up as a dictatorship, and South Korea an eventual democracy? Are these people of different ethnicities?
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: February 18, 2017, 05:28:59 pm
I just saw one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen- a Republican on Facebook arguing that abortion should be allowed, despite the fact that he thinks it is murder.  Why?  Because he thinks that it's mostly Democrats that are murdered, so he thinks it is worth it as a means of controlling the population of liberals.

Disgusting!!

You should invite him to debate Beet.

More conflicted, because I want more minorities/Democratic voters, but it's not worth giving up women's fundamental human rights.

What debate would there be? We would both agree.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 05:21:15 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.

-Institutions are the product of people. Take a look at this:
https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-arrests-nearly-every-single-elected-official-in-a-texas-town-2ca19a2517a5#.rf9wd8eti

Um, the people in that story reported their town officials to the FBI, recalled them, and installed new leadership.

"Institutions are the product of people."

That explains why North Korea and South Korea have such similar institutions?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 05:03:07 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.
America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect but he understand this better than Trump.

-How's Mexico doing these days? Not well.

Mexico's institutions are the problem. So long as we keep our institutions (such as a free press, being one of those institutions) strong, Americans of Mexican descent can become good citizens. Just look at that Judge Curiel guy who Trump made that remark about. By all means, a very successful and productive member of society.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 04:44:39 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.

-Ideas without people suitable for their exercise are dead ones. McCain is a strong enemy of the First Amendment, and only desires this country to transform into one totally unsuitable for any real freedom.

America's ideas must be applied without regard to race, creed, or religion, otherwise they are completely empty. To argue that Americans are unsuitable for freedom just because they happen to be Muslim or of Mexican descent is misguided. McCain is imperfect (his warmongering is a horror and I could never vote for him) but he understand this better than Trump.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: McCain (on Trump): Dictators 'get started by suppressing free press' on: February 18, 2017, 04:37:13 pm

McCain understands that this country was founded on ideas, and protecting the First Amendments protects us far more than blocking nonviolent immigrants from coming here.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why do so many think God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving? on: February 18, 2017, 04:16:09 pm
Thanks for answering the question. Again, I would argue under your definition, which says that God is a "supreme being", that being supreme necessitates being all-powerful and all-knowing, or else you are not necessarily supreme. All-loving is a trickier one and I concede God may not be all-loving, but I would argue that being all knowing implies all-loving, since it means God knows the feelings and pain of each person.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Glenn Greenwald: Empowering Deep State is prescription for destroying democracy on: February 18, 2017, 03:49:05 pm
Greenwald is a Putin and Assad apologist. I don't give his opinions of democracy much credence.
I hope you're not willing to dismiss the premise of an entire argument and go supporting "the deep state" because you didn't like the messenger.

Well, the problem here is Trump.  Trump is the most immediate threat to democracy (as well as to peace, public safety, etc.).  It is not a good situation that we are in where we are relying on the "deep state" to check and balance Donald Trump, but it is the situation we are in.  In a functioning democracy, where you had a president and a majority party that respected the rule of law and believed in good governance, you wouldn't need the "deep state" to intervene, but instead we have Trump and the modern GOP.

Few journalists (with the exception of those at Breitbart and Fox News or whatever) did more to get Trump elected than Greenwald, so I'm not going to place much credibility in his cry crocodile tears about the "deep state" now that he's gotten his fascist elected.

Is Greenwald really that influential? I mean, this is bordering on BRtD-style mania - whatever your feelings on the guy, he has no where near the reach (nor cravenness) of the journalists of the mass medi that created and kept alive the trump phenomenon. And at least Glenn is motivated by some principle - the CnN hacks elected trump because of muh ratings.

What principle says that the FBI putting out a bogus story to tip the most acrimonious election in 50 years to the popular vote loser is not a threat to democracy, but that accurately leaking that the National Security advisor lied to the FBI and the public is? Would Greenwald have said Watergate was a threat to democracy, too?
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Glenn Greenwald: Empowering Deep State is prescription for destroying democracy on: February 18, 2017, 03:43:24 pm
What happens when a Democratic president does something the inner workings of the CIA doesn't approve of? Like say, attempt to dismantle the Patriot Act? Will Democrats be okay with the deep state then?

I would certainly be okay if the Deep State were to truthfully leak that a Democratic president was about to dismantle the Patriot Act. It would give me notice to stand up and cheer.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CPAC: Milo as keynote speaker on: February 18, 2017, 03:39:04 pm
Good. Far left anarchists and Berkeley Free Speech Deniers should have their faces metaphorically kicked in by Milo's exposure. The quicker and harder these fifth columnists see that their coercive tactics don't work, the better for the left.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roe Died on: February 18, 2017, 03:30:40 pm
RIP. We may not have agreed, but she was a formidable foe deserving of respect.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Support for protectionism dropping on: February 18, 2017, 11:44:57 am
Trump is not a protectionist. He is an economic nationalist. He is a huge supporter of free trade with countries like the UK and others that share interests and values with the US. It's about time we stopped pretending that every country can or even should get along and be friends.

In that case, Trump should have been for the TPP, since we share values and interests with Japan and Australia. No, he is a protectionist.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Bigger threat in East Asia? on: February 18, 2017, 11:20:54 am
China thinks North Korea is a bigger threat Tongue

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-suspends-north-koreas-coal-imports-striking-at-regimes-financial-lifeline/2017/02/18/8390b0e6-f5df-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Support for protectionism dropping on: February 18, 2017, 10:44:41 am
72% now see trade as an "opportunity", up sharply.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/204044/record-high-foreign-trade-opportunity.aspx
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Trump administration cooked the books on: February 18, 2017, 06:36:00 am
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Deep into his story about Trump budget hijinks, Timiraos reveals that “what’s unusual about the administration’s forecasts isn’t just their relative optimism but also the process by which they were derived.” Specifically, what’s unusual about them is that they weren’t derived by any process at all. Instead of letting economists build a forecast, Trump’s budget was put together with “transition officials telling the CEA staff the growth targets that their budget would produce and asking them to backfill other estimates off those figures.”

Staff has been ordered to project that inflation-adjusted growth will average between 3 and 3.5 percent over the next decade, eventually settling at around 3.2 percent.

http://www.vox.com/2017/2/17/14651208/trump-budget-forecast
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Chelsea Clinton to run for NY Senate 2020 if Gillibrand gets the nomination on: February 18, 2017, 06:18:49 am
New York has never voted against a Clinton, and it sure isn't going to start with Carl Paladino. As for Chelsea, the only complaint I've seen from people is "her parents!" Caroline Kennedy, who wanted a Senate seat to be handed to her without any campaigning and a Palin-like ignorance of the issues, acted like an entitled twat in 2009. I'm confident Chelsea will follow her mom's footsteps in terms of hard work, intelligence, and constituent service.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why do so many think God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving? on: February 18, 2017, 06:02:45 am
So many people, including even atheists arguing the problem of evil, seem to think that God (if God exists) needs to be:

1. all-powerful (omnipotent)
2. all-knowing (omniscient)
3. all-loving (omnibenevolent)

Why?

Beyond scriptural reasons, this is the definition of God. Otherwise, God would just be a fairy tale. You could say Zeus was God. There would be no reason to have only one, because if God isn't all-powerful, then there could be another being like him that shares power.


This is NOT the definition of God.

You have a very weird "all or nothing" approach, like I described in my OP.

No I don't. I said without that definition, Zeus could be a God. The Greeks believed in him, and so can you. But what's the point of believing in Zeus? It's just a fairy tale.

If you don't accept my definition, what's your definition? I'm assuming Zeus fits under it.
I feel like you're not explaining your thought process well.

Nobody knows with certain proof and scientific evidence if there is a God (or Gods). The Bible could be a fairy tale too. (And personally, even as a Christian, I do believe it contains several "fairy tales.")

"What's the point of believing in the God of the Bible?" someone could equally say as you did about Zeus. Someone could say that's just a fairy tale too.

Nobody knows, if there is a God, the limit of God's power/knowledge/compassion just that it must be great.

Even Christians admit the Ancient Greeks treated Zeus as a God.

You are being unfair. First, you ask people why they believe in an "all-or-nothing" approach to God. Then, when they try to answer, you accuse them of being "all-or-nothing". But the question you asked will only elicit answers from people who believe this, in the first place.

You still have not answered my question: What is your definition of God?
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Elon Musk on: February 18, 2017, 04:58:31 am
HP.

I appreciate he's a highly intelligent and talented person whose innovations are helping to revolutionize technology and reduce our impact on the environment. However, that's where my positive sentiments towards him end. All the Democrats here championing this guy don't understand that it's people with his rather awful philosophy and views that are harming our party. You guys attack working class and poor white people, then praise billionaire techies like Elon musk. Amazing.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-doubles-down-universal-175300665.html
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Glenn Greenwald: Empowering Deep State is prescription for destroying democracy on: February 18, 2017, 03:52:54 am
I didn't hear Greenwald complaining about the Deep State when the FBI flipped the election to a fascist. Idiot.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: This thing is not a President. This thing is a monster. on: February 17, 2017, 07:26:34 pm

Whatever happened to all those sexual abuse accusations against Trump from all those women?

There has been complete silence since the election.

One of them sued him for defamation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-apprentice-contestant-sues-trump-for-defamation-for-denying-alleged-groping/2017/01/17/9c88acb2-dcd9-11e6-acdf-14da832ae861_story.html
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Why do so many think God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving? on: February 17, 2017, 07:00:51 pm
So many people, including even atheists arguing the problem of evil, seem to think that God (if God exists) needs to be:

1. all-powerful (omnipotent)
2. all-knowing (omniscient)
3. all-loving (omnibenevolent)

Why?

Beyond scriptural reasons, this is the definition of God. Otherwise, God would just be a fairy tale. You could say Zeus was God. There would be no reason to have only one, because if God isn't all-powerful, then there could be another being like him that shares power.


This is NOT the definition of God.

You have a very weird "all or nothing" approach, like I described in my OP.

No I don't. I said without that definition, Zeus could be a God. The Greeks believed in him, and so can you. But what's the point of believing in Zeus? It's just a fairy tale.

If you don't accept my definition, what's your definition? I'm assuming Zeus fits under it.
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