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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Trump’s Florida Clubs Absent From Job Fairs To Hire U.S. Workers on: August 26, 2016, 08:03:12 pm
The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment this week, and nor did the Trump golf club. Mar-a-Lago officials could not be reached for comment. In the past, Trump has said it is “almost impossible” to find Americans who want such jobs, which pay between $10.17 and $12.74 per hour. “You can’t get help,” Trump told MSNBC last year, when asked about his use of the program.

But officials at CareerSource Palm Beach County, a workforce development agency chartered by the state of Florida, say Trump’s companies have failed to avail themselves of free recruitment efforts that might help them find qualified American workers who want the jobs.

For instance, on July 31, Mar-a-Lago and the Trump golf club posted lengthy classified advertisements for the jobs in the Palm Beach Post jobs section seeking U.S. workers — one of the steps required by the federal government before bringing in guest workers.

2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Clinton tax returns: '07-'14 paid 10% income to Clinton Foundation, got nothing on: August 23, 2016, 10:35:38 pm

As for charitable donations, the Clintons gave just under $15 million over the eight-year period, which is 10.8 percent of their total income. The vast majority of that — about $14.8 million — went through the Clinton Family Foundation, the vehicle the Clintons frequently use to make personal donations, and another $57,000 went to the Clinton Global Initiative.


Do the Clintons receive any income or personal expense reimbursement from the Foundation?

No. President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton, who serve on the Board of Directors, do not take a salary from the Clinton Foundation and receive no funding from it. Secretary Clinton did not take a salary when she served on the Board of Directors.

This definitely proves their evil because who else spends years leveraging their fame to take money from rich, big orgs and use it to benefit school kids and AIDS victims. /s

Thanks, Clintons, for releasing your tax returns.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton details plan to help small businesses on: August 23, 2016, 09:54:42 pm
Has her campaign described what she wants to do about occupational licensing in further detail?

4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Racism and talk of religious war: Trump staff's online posts on: August 23, 2016, 09:44:53 pm
"I'll hire the best people!"

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump's paid campaign staffers have declared on their personal social media accounts that Muslims are unfit to be U.S. citizens, ridiculed Mexican accents, called for Secretary of State John Kerry to be hanged and stated their readiness for a possible civil war, according to a review by The Associated Press of their postings.

5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: MANY DONORS TO CLINTON FOUNDATION MET WITH HER AT STATE on: August 23, 2016, 09:14:34 pm
They made $153 million on speaking fees.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Clinton details plan to help small businesses on: August 23, 2016, 04:36:17 pm
Some good ideas:

Clinton wants to create a standard deduction for small business owners much like the one that individuals can claim.

She also wants to make it easier for firms with fewer than 50 employees to qualify for the health care tax credit that companies can take if they provide insurance to their workers.

In addition, she would quadruple the tax deduction that new small businesses can take for their start-up costs. Currently they can write off $5,000 of business start-up costs assuming those costs don't exceed $50,000. Under Clinton, they could write off up to $20,000.

She would also allow small business owners -- those with $25 million or less in gross receipts -- to choose a simpler accounting method than often required for tax purposes.

Reducing licensing burdens: Roughly 25% of workers must be licensed to work in their occupations, up from less than 5% back in the 1950s.

7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Rowe has some very passionate feelings about "uneducated" trump voters on: August 23, 2016, 04:26:04 pm
I'm a Hillary supporter and I agree with Mike Rowe. The working class should be the Democratic base, and that means white as much as black. We should be going and making our pitch to these people, not ceding them to Trump.

But you know what? Hillary has said this:

"I think we’ve got to reverse what has become a kind of common place view, which is everybody needs to go to college.”

“Well, in fact, more than half of the jobs that are going to be available in 2020 do not require a college four-year degree,” Clinton said. “So for welders and machinists and tool and die makers and health technicians, and coders and so many others, let’s get the word out, there are really good jobs for people right now, and there will be more in the future if you get the skills in high school, at community college, in an apprenticeship or other training program."

Rowe talks about high college debt - Clinton's plan includes reducing the interest on college debt, and making college free for community colleges, for those families making less than $125k a year. So if we were to (hypothetically) elect Clinton and a Democratic Congress, you would have a government committed to tackling the very problem Rowe talks about.

She does get it. Rowe might better see that if we had an actual election about policy, rather than the circus this cycle has become.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Hillary be indicted? on: August 23, 2016, 09:01:59 am
No, but the Clinton foundation should cease to exist as we know it. The name Clinton should be removed from the foundation, and its direction should be transferred to an established charity without close relations to the Clintons.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Are DC, Maryland, and Delaware in the Northeast or the South? on: August 23, 2016, 01:44:03 am
WW2 was the turning point for DC, NoVa and southwestern Maryland. Massive federal investments made it a northeastern city by culture, whereas before an argument could have been made for south. Baltimore was always northeast. I can't speak to Delaware but it seems like the Wilmington area dominates the state and is just an extension of the Philly region.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / The Obama economic record. on: August 23, 2016, 01:10:12 am
Let's discuss here. Obama came into office facing the worst financial crisis since the Depression.

11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Good news! on: August 23, 2016, 12:59:08 am

Hopefully this means the few remaining decent book stores will stay open.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why Vets are Still Backing Trump after Khan Controversy on: August 23, 2016, 12:56:17 am
Must have a pretty dark heart.

My youngest adult son served in Afghanistan, and is voting for Trump.

Does EVERYONE who votes for Trump have a "dark heart"?  If you think that, is your heart darkened by being over-politicized?

Yes and no.

A vote for Trump transcends politics because it makes you an apologist for racism, bigotry, and prideful ignorance.

I don't agree; there are two less than appetizing choices this year.  People are doing the best they can with what they have to work with.  But if what you say is true, a vote for Clinton transcends politics because it makes you an apologist for dishonest in high office and intimidating victims of domestic violence/sexual assault into silence.  I would also argue that my case is clearer than your case.

Trump is the only presidential candidate in any party this year who

1. Has been accused of rape, from his ex wife, a woman who said she was 13 at the time and kept quiet due to threats, and a third woman.

2. Whose attorney's defense was literally "You cannot rape your spouse."

3. Whose response to rape in the military (most victims are men, btw) is "What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?"

4. Has actually campaigned on racism, bigotry and prideful ignorance.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WaPo: FBI uncovered tens of thousands more emails that Clinton didn't disclose on: August 22, 2016, 11:08:33 pm
Re: the e-mails, Comey has already said that they found no evidence that the e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them. He didn't say they found some evidence, but not enough to be conclusive, he said no evidence.

Further, he also gave the following affirmative assessment:

"Our assessment is that, like many e-mail users, Secretary Clinton periodically deleted e-mails or e-mails were purged from the system when devices were changed. Because she was not using a government account—or even a commercial account like Gmail—there was no archiving at all of her e-mails, so it is not surprising that we discovered e-mails that were not on Secretary Clinton’s system in 2014, when she produced the 30,000 e-mails to the State Department."

Hence phrasing like this thread's title ("...that Clinton didn't disclose") are misleading, since they imply Clinton had them but just didn't turn them over, whereas Comey has said they were not on her server. The FBI had more resources, time, and did a more thorough technical search and was able to recover more e-mails.


As far as the substantive issue, Clinton had rich friends who were also donors to the foundation, who got access to Clinton and who asked for favors, but never got any specific action directly for money. How is this different than a political fundraiser, where people pay a certain amount of money to attend a function, or participate in a strategy session, with the candidate? By that standard, all fundraisers are "pay to play." The e-mails show Band and Huma were sensitive to ethical concerns even in their private e-mail discussions and tried not to do anything they felt would be unethical.


Also going to point out that independent charity watches have found that the Clinton foundation spends 89% of its money on charity, and it has saved thousands, if not millions of lives, so there's that.


Also, the following comical exchange from Huma's deposition:

Q Okay. When did you first become aware of 09:38:29
4 the Clinton server? 09:38:35
5 A I don't -- I don't know that I experienced 09:38:39
6 the -- the notion of the server for -- for my 09:38:43
7 purposes. It was a matter of obtaining an e-mail 09:38:49
8 address. I -- I don't ... 09:38:53
9 Q Okay. 09:38:59
10 A I didn't really think about the server 09:39:00
11 until the -- all the press reports in the last year 09:39:01
12 and a half -- 09:39:04
13 Q Okay. 09:39:05
14 A -- came out.

Yes, the server was definitely a conspiracy. Wink
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Official Obama 2.0 Approval Ratings Thread on: August 21, 2016, 03:37:10 pm
Obama's job approval on the economy is now the highest since 2009:

15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Jerry Falwell Jr.: Trump is the next Winston Churchill on: August 21, 2016, 11:05:32 am
Hey, Churchill switched parties often and was a failure until he walked into #10.

Churchill correctly predicted that appeasement was a mistake in the 1930s, the biggest call of the decade.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Trump is one of the reasons why I didn't support Obama in the '08 on: August 21, 2016, 10:58:36 am
So you didn't support Obama in 2008 because he was black. And you think black voters should have less power in Democratic primaries. Okay. 

It's Beet so...

How does it help blacks, or any minority, for our nation's politics to be sorted so that there are two parties who differ only on race, and a 60% white majority always outvotes a 40% party composed of minorities?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Clinton apologize for her e-mails? on: August 21, 2016, 10:47:11 am
She already did, and if she did again, those who dislike her still wouldn't care.

The same goes for Donald Trump.

Hillary doesn't need to say she's sorry.  She's sorry, all right, but not repentant.  She's the sorriest Democratic nominee in my lifetime.

What she needs to do is to start being truthful, religiously.  Either that, or state that the public record is what it is, and folks can decide from it whether or not they want to vote for her.  Her apologies mean nothing to anyone because she lacks the basic integrity and sincerity that most human beings are endowed with.

Sloppiness is not the same as lacking integrity and sincerity. I'll admit that she was sloppy in having the e-mail system she shouldn't have, and sloppy in making statements about her system after the fact, which led to false statements, and she deserves to be pilloried for this. But no where was there any evidence of any conspiracy to conceal anything from public scrutiny; hide the existence of her e-mail system; or hide any particular e-mail(s); let alone on any substantive matters. Now that over 30,000 have been released to the public, there are no bombshells in them. And the result has been that Hillary's record is now more transparent than most public figures ever to run for office, including Obama. If over 30,000 of Donald Trump's e-mails were released, I have little doubt that they would be far more embarrassing and damaging to him.

As for her sincerity? Look at her substantive actions, not her words. Look at how those actions line up across 10, 20, 30 and 40 years. Look at her record. In other words, look at things that can't be conjured up with a stage-managed, well-delivered speech, which affect people's lives. Look at the things that can't be faked. The record shows she's been a fighter for many of the same causes her whole life- health care access, children's rights, legal aid to the poor, and a plethora of other populist causes. She's been consistent on this substantive issues her whole life, and taken actions to advance these causes. As she is today. Those should be the big issues she's judged on, as those would be the big issues affecting how she leads this country in a manner that affects people.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should Clinton apologize for her e-mails? on: August 20, 2016, 11:53:48 pm
Considering the fact that she was found to have lied about the emails and what kind of information was transmitted to her voters, she should at least apologize for lying to the American people.

Not that it would personally get me to support her, but it's one of many legitimate reasons people have for not supporting her.

Well, her argument was that she was using a shorthand that accurately described about 29,997 of the 30,000 e-mails. She should have said, "To the best of my ability, no classified e-mails were sent or received, but of course, with thirty thousand pieces of correspondence, many of which were not sent by me, I can't guarantee it's a hundred percent. But applies to every effort by every official to keep classified information secure. No one is perfect, whether online or offline."

That would have been accurate. It would have also made for a wonderful headline attacking Clinton. At the end of the day, her real mistake was having a private e-mail system in the first place. Once that decision was made, everything else that has come out since them was basically fait accompli.

But I don't think it's absurd to take into account the fact that, at the time, Clinton wasn't he only one who had no problem with a private e-mail system. Powell has admitted advising her to do it, and he even bragged about using webmail in his book, which came out in 2012. And hundreds of senior government officials e-mailed with Clinton on her personal domain, and none of them raised any flags. They all thought it was okay, basically. Which doesn't make it okay, but it was a collective failure among senior officials, not some uniquely different way of thinking that Clinton had, that was special to her.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Trump is one of the reasons why I didn't support Obama in the '08 on: August 20, 2016, 11:32:43 pm
primaries. I knew that it would exacerbate racial polarization. When you have Democrats nominating a black man when Democrats are already getting 90% of the black vote, and then have him be the face of the party for 8 years, it's playing with fire. This is not an attack on Obama. It's not his fault he's black, obviously. It's just a commentary on political dynamics. During the Obama years you had increasing racial polarization by party, and now it's opened up the door for someone like Trump, who has the backing and uses memes from racist groups that were once considered fringe. Prior to Obama, the GOP was diversifying... you had them start to run candidates like Michael Steele in 2006, who was a relatively high-profile candidate; and from the statistics, the share of black delegates to the GOP convention peaked in 2004.

My ideal would have been for the first minority president, particularly a black, to be a Republican. With a black as the face of conservatism for four to eight years, the racists would have been banished from the GOP, and race would have been removed as a polarizing factor in American politics, as much as it could have been. In a way, conservatism represents the American's Americanism, the heartland ideology, and if that could have been represented by someone black, it would have been even more transformational than just having a black president.

Basically what has happened is what I feared. And this goes for Clinton to, to a lesser extent. We've now had two nominees in a row in the Democrats, where the winner of the white vote in the primaries didn't get the nomination. The black bloc vote is a problem because, when you have 20% of the primary electorate going 90% for one candidate, any other candidate needs to win by landslide proportions just to stay competitive. So blacks have just enough pull to decide Democratic primaries, but the actual swing group in the Democratic party, whites, have less pull. The result is the Alabamization of America, or at least forces pushing in that direction.

That's why I'm going to strongly support the Sanders' calls post-primary for open primaries, rather than closed, in the future. That goes for all levels of government. We need more whites and other non party dedicates deciding our primaries. Those loosely attached to the party having more sway would be better in General Elections.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary loses, will she claim sexism as a reason for it? on: August 20, 2016, 08:09:28 pm
Well I don't disagree that a strong desire to break the glass ceiling helped Clinton clear the field other than Sanders, and that was probably a silly tendency by the Democrats. Still, in that's with 2014 or 2008 as a starting point... I'd still argue that if you look at Hillary's statistical chances at birth in 1947, as the daughter of a middle class Chicago family, of becoming president, it would be somewhat lower than Trump's chances, as the son of a wealthy real estate developer.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump start winning if he starts running on on: August 20, 2016, 07:07:28 pm
He doesn't need to run as a Democrat. He just needs to run as a centrist moderate/populist as he is doing now in the general election.

Supporting a higher minimum wage would be a good idea though and would cement his image as a populist.

So two centrist/moderate populists running against one another?
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Should Clinton apologize for her e-mails? on: August 20, 2016, 06:55:28 pm
I was looking at the polls in 2015, and she got a noticeable bump when she apologized, at that time. She should apologize again, and say that she understands that people want a candidate who has their trust, and she hasn't done that enough, and vow to do a better job. In a way it would be better for her to be down in the polls because it'd prod her to take these steps.
23  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you support open borders? on: August 20, 2016, 06:32:56 pm
No, D ( sane ).
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Hillary loses, will she claim sexism as a reason for it? on: August 20, 2016, 06:28:41 pm
Carole Moseley Braun in '04?
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Will Trump start winning if he starts running on on: August 20, 2016, 06:24:37 pm
paid family leave, amnesty for undocumented immigrants, higher minimum wage, etc.?

Basically it will be Democrat vs. Democrat.
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