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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How much will the Arpaio pardon damage Trump? on: August 22, 2017, 11:18:00 pm
The average swing voter doesn't wake up in the morning and think "Sheriff Joe." It's just another notch in the belt for the base.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TRUMP Phoenix rally thread on: August 22, 2017, 10:11:06 pm
Hillary was right about these people.

In politics, you get sh**t for lying and you get sh**t for telling the truth.

More like you get sh**t for living in California. Tongue The media, anyway, is insane. They keep hounding Trump over Charlottesville when he did nothing wrong.

What he did wrong was that he failed to separate right from wrong. He failed to condemn modern day Nazis, a group our country has fought in the past. He failed to unify the nation after the events. Yes, he did wrong in Charlottesville and the media is just using their role as attack dog to bring him to accountability.

No man, he condemned hate on all sides. That includes the alt-righters. You guys keep saying he didn't condemn them when he did. The media is obsessed with "race", always has been, I have no idea why...
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TRUMP Phoenix rally thread on: August 22, 2017, 10:08:13 pm
Anyway, I'm not watching the speech, but I saw a minute or so on silent, could the Blacks for Trump guy behind him be any more obvious? lol.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TRUMP Phoenix rally thread on: August 22, 2017, 10:07:13 pm
Hillary was right about these people.

In politics, you get sh**t for lying and you get sh**t for telling the truth.

More like you get sh**t for living in California. Tongue The media, anyway, is insane. They keep hounding Trump over Charlottesville when he did nothing wrong.
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: Highground: Ward +14 Primary, Flake v. Sinema S+8 Ward v. Sinema S +1 on: August 22, 2017, 05:58:11 pm
So the more radical the better? By these standards, Hitler would be +35
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How does political polarization manifest itself socially or in our daily lives? on: August 21, 2017, 08:20:01 pm
It hasn't, as I live in D.C. and everyone here who is vocal about their views is a Democrat. I work with five college educated white men who are vocal about politics all the time and each one is a strong Democrat. That's D.C. for you. Besides that, my casual friends are all on the left as well.

That being said, I am online daily and in the past few years it has shocked me how viciously self-destructive the left-wing discourse has become. When I was growing up, social liberalism was about a moral view of the world which eschewed identity, how it has become all about identity politics. The leftists I know have become increasingly confrontational, and eager to pick battles they either can't win or don't care about winning, while having nothing but disdain for centrist progressivism. More basic than even political positioning however, progressives have become vicious and mean-spirited, fanatically dedicated to the personal persecution of other progressives and center-leftists. When I was growing up, people on the liberal side were like a team, and we argued about ideas. Now we seemingly exist only to tear each other down.

Sometime around 2014, there was a sudden revolution all across the Internet when the right-wing suddenly seized power. GamerGate was a big part of it, but not all of it. It seemed to come out of nowhere, suddenly a huge, huge, huge number of people joined the center-right and within three or four months from September to the end of the year, online momentum shifted to the right. It frightens me because I don't see where it stops, and the Internet has more influence over the real world than ever before. All of our institutions will eventually be overwhelmed by it. And progressives are essentially defenseless because of the toxicity and factionalism on the progressive side, that I mentioned above. I just don't see where it stops.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Man charged with trying to bomb Confederate statue in Houston on: August 21, 2017, 07:42:21 pm
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: KY-PPP (D): McConnell trails Generic D by 7 points, Paul leads by 12 on: August 21, 2017, 01:24:54 pm
Meet the D Family. Generic, Genevieve, and their children Gerald and Gemma. They have the ability to run in any election in the whole country, and get magical powers.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Don't underestimate Trump, yet. (revised with questions) on: August 21, 2017, 01:22:53 pm
How important will the VP choice be, for the Democrats?

Not important.

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What kind of candidate would best match your own ideology regardless of age, gender, race, religion or gender?

I'm not exactly sure, except for one thing. We need someone who wouldn't just reappoint people like Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers, e.g., not another Obama/Clinton Democrat. Someone with a fresh take at how to tackle our economic issues. However, NOT Tulsi Gabbard.

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Would it affect your vote if both members of the ticket were White Christian Heterosexual males?

No.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Don't underestimate Trump, yet. (revised with questions) on: August 21, 2017, 01:07:01 pm
If this goes on for 3 more years, Trump will not be blamed.  The Democrats will be blamed.  Once again, they will be seen as folks with sympathy for the "oppressed" in "the streets" and out of sympathy with ordinary folks who work, pay taxes, obey laws, and don't disrupt folks' lives when expressing their opinions. 

The Democrats did not start BLM, it started on its own. Nor did the Democrats organize the Charlottesville counter-protests. I agree generally we should have law and order, though. It should be noted that most of us aren't out protesting. I've been fairly active in the past and I don't think I've been to a single protest this year, despite plenty of opportunity due to locale.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would a " President Hillary Clinton" would be doing now? on: August 21, 2017, 12:10:56 pm
Nikki Haley would be the presumptive frontrunner for the 2020 GOP nomination and it would be increasingly clear she'd win. The GOP would be on the verge of winning control of enough state legislatures to call and control a constitutional convention, and there would be a serious movement afoot to do so. The GOP would have a veto on any and all legislation and the grassroots GOP would heavily pressure party members not to pass anything support by Clinton. The GOP would be in an even better position for the Senate than they are now.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Lief Reservoir of Simple Truths and Smart One-Liners on: August 21, 2017, 09:24:02 am
^^^jfern is absolutely right.

If it was so much easier being a male, why didn't she just un-trans-gender herself?

A perfect example of how sexism is tolerated in American politics.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rex Tillerson on: August 21, 2017, 09:20:12 am
Tillerson is the best man in the administration right now.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Heather Heyer's mother speak at the 2020 DNC? on: August 21, 2017, 09:18:57 am
Trump will come up with some insult, cable news will act like anyone cares for a day, and in the end it will have no impact.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What did you score on this Moral Foundations Test? on: August 19, 2017, 08:07:11 pm
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Atal Bihari Vajpayee on: August 19, 2017, 03:56:52 pm
Former Indian PM.

HP, IMO, especially his reckless nuclear policy.

How was it reckless? Wasn't he on the verge of a peace deal with Pakistan before getting thrown out in the 2004 election?
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democrats only: Who would you choose for president from one of these republicans on: August 19, 2017, 03:47:38 pm
Kasich, easily.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Most likely white male Democratic nominee on: August 19, 2017, 03:43:07 pm
Based on social media comments, I'd put the odds as follows-

Tulsi Gabbard 55%
Kamala Harris 35%

So yeah, AN3093 is right.
As for which one male? I'm going to say age is going to finally be a discouraging factor for Biden and Sanders, so Cuomo is probably in the best position, but it's very early. Personally, I would love to see Bullock, but according to our resident MT commenter MT Treasurer, he is not that moderate and he is not that popular and he would not be such a good candidate. On paper he's very good, and he looks good to me, but I honestly must defer to the person who actually lives in MT and can see him up close.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Study: California the most unequal state in the US on: August 19, 2017, 01:45:10 pm
This is by design. The rich white liberals that run California need cheap labor to clean houses, make lattes, and pick fruit.

It's a warning to us all. If we want to avoid their terrible fate.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Study: California the most unequal state in the US on: August 19, 2017, 01:36:37 pm
http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/05/news/economy/california-unequal/index.html
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / California's budget deficit is back on: August 19, 2017, 01:10:13 pm
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-budget-trump-risks-20170110-story.html
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 19, 2017, 01:06:41 pm
Why should we care about what California thinks? It's a crappy, state, it screws over poor people, and it's given us the worst of Silicon Valley.

Are you okay?

He's making Marty look sane and reasonable by comparison

What? I'm perfectly fine.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / 2:15 alarm, 2 Trains, and Bus get her to work by 7 a.m. on: August 19, 2017, 01:06:00 pm
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/business/economy/san-francisco-commute.html
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 19, 2017, 01:03:32 pm
Why should we care about what California thinks? It's a crappy, state, it screws over poor people, and it's given us the worst of Silicon Valley.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 19, 2017, 12:58:31 pm

I wish California secession would gain more traction. When will Californians realize the rest of the country hates them and they have no real representation.

Dafuq?

I think Beet is day drinking

Trump is popular and people are lying to pollsters. California doesn't count. Right wing Twitter is actually correct about this.

Yes, yes, because surging from 35% to 38% approval is just spectacular.

That includes California.
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