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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: Today at 12:21:24 am
Are you people actually taking Beet's post in this thread seriously?

Beet has expressed unironic support for Schultz many times, so it isn't really that far off that he's being serious.

And that's the concern. The most hated Democrat, period, whom basically got you guys slaughtered in 2010/14, does not deserve any support.

Tim Kaine was the DNC head in 2010.

Exactly, and look at how many people want Tim Kaine for VP! Unironically!
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who Did You Vote For? Any Regrets? on: Today at 12:12:19 am
I've only voted straight Democratic or Democratic/Green since I turned 18 in 2001. The only ones I've ever regretted were the two for O'Malley.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you be happy if Andrew Cuomo was indicted? on: Today at 12:01:34 am
Apathetic. I don't think he's as bad as some people around here seem to think, but I'm not convinced much would change in New York either way.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you have voted for the Iraq War? on: April 24, 2015, 11:37:03 pm
I mean, an argument could be made that (1) U.S. economic sanctions against Iraq in the 1990s killed as many Iraqis per year through crippling its health system and economy, as the war did, and (2) were Iraq not divided between Sunni and Shiite, and were the Iraqi army kept intact, overthrowing the regime could have been more humane than continuing the sanctions regime. But under no circumstances can you get I think, a scenario where an invasion is more humane than simply lifting sanctions and treating Saddam the way Gadhafi was treated in the 2000s.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you have voted for the Iraq War? on: April 24, 2015, 03:39:38 pm
Well "the vote" was actually in edit:October 2002. By February 2003, I was firmly against the war, so no, but I don't know how I would have voted in October '02.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of goths on: April 24, 2015, 03:36:54 pm
FF, but have white privilege, because how would a black be goth?
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo/ABC Poll: 61% support SSM; 1st time more than 6 in 10 support on: April 24, 2015, 11:45:17 am
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: To all of our Hillary fans on: April 23, 2015, 10:27:54 pm
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/join/free-sticker/

I assume people on Atlas like free things

Thanks Flo! Ordered Smiley
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision on: April 22, 2015, 07:36:08 pm
realisticidealist, have you ever considered submitting this to The Atlantic or similar publication? This sounds like the type of thing they'd go for. Not sure what the legalities around getting something to let them use it, though.

Also - can you confirm if the two blue Protestant dots south of Hangzhou are Wenzhou & its inland county?
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NV-04: Lucy Flores running on: April 22, 2015, 07:12:25 pm
A PVI D+4 with a Republican incumbent? Sounds like the definition of a swing district to me. I'm not saying her background should be disqualifying, just that it could just as easily be a negative as a positive, and I think that's what the columnist was getting at.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Conservative Justices side with big government... on: April 22, 2015, 07:04:03 pm
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/300925851.html

"One case stemmed from a fatal traffic accident on Interstate 10 in Phoenix in which a car passed through a safety barrier into oncoming traffic. The plaintiff, Marlene June, represents the child of one of two people killed in the crash. June claimed that the Federal Highway Administration made her wait more than two years before she was allowed to depose officials and uncover evidence that the barrier had failed a crash test. By then, the two-year deadline for filing an administrative claim had passed."

So according to the position of Alito et. al, the government can commit a suable offense against a citizen, hide the evidence until after the statute of limitations has passed, and then use those same statute of limitations to protect itself against legal redress.

What I like about this case is that there isn't any ideological policy involved here. It's not about the ACA or the EPA or anything else that the political parties have taken stances on that might muddle one's positions. It's pure contest of a citizen's right versus the government's right.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NV-04: Lucy Flores running on: April 22, 2015, 06:41:36 pm
Why is Flores "naturally weak"? It wasn't her fault Nevada had an R wave.

That's not why. Steven Horsford and Ross Miller were victims of the R wave, as were most of the row officers that ran that year (though some did better than others). Flores, however, ran a terrible campaign

That doesn't sound like she ran a terrible campaign, more like she used a strategy that the columnist disagreed with politically.

Former gang member? Had an abortion? This stuff might be a "compelling story" from a progressive standpoint, but the average swing voter is not going to see that stuff automatically as a plus. Heck, it will turn off a large number of them if she doesn't explain it right. In this case, I see what the columnist is getting at.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Meet the GOP's unconventional new star on: April 22, 2015, 05:58:19 pm
The Democratic woman star in this seat was shot by a kid who didn't think women should hold political power.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton versus... on: April 22, 2015, 05:49:30 pm
Clinton. It's time to shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.

I would say the wildebeest would do a better job of shattering glass...

I'll go with the woman who has already made 18 million cracks, thank you.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are child care/day care costs rising so fast? on: April 22, 2015, 04:40:13 pm
I don't really want this to be a political thread where we complain about evil profit and government regulation. Is there anyone on here that is knowledgeable on the subject that can fill me in on what is going on? In 31 states, daycare costs MORE than college tuition. Is there a shortage of facilities?

Also, it is my understanding that daycare workers have wages that are only around 12 dollars/hour, but profit margins are still much lower for daycare providers than most industries.

What's going on here, basically?

What kind of college - public, private, or public out-of-state?

If we use private or public out-of-state numbers, then Figs' $185-$250/week (about $9,250 - $12,500 a year) is a lot less than college tuition.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Does anyone on this forum doubt Ted Cruz's intelligence? on: April 22, 2015, 10:35:22 am
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: De Blasio vs. Bush on: April 22, 2015, 10:17:33 am
The only reason he won the Mayoralty of New York City is because Congressman Anthony Weiner defeated himself with his own behavior.

Weiner wasn't his main competition.  the frontrunner was the sitting Speaker of the City Council, Christine Quinn.

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we really do have a bunch of idiots chirping around, don't we?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323683504578567970526631886

Poll: Weiner Leaps to Front of Pack

Representative Who Resigned in Scandal Now Is Frontrunner in Mayoral Primary




Yeah, it's clear in retrospect it was going to be either Weiner or De Blasio. If Weiner had not imploded, De Blasio would not be mayor.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton versus... on: April 22, 2015, 10:16:21 am
Clinton. It's time to shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic primary: Hillary Clinton vs. Debbie Wasserman Schultz on: April 22, 2015, 09:23:19 am
Finally we find a Democrat Hillary can beat on an Atlas poll, and it figures it's another woman...

I'm sure Hillary would beat Cuomo too, and he'd challenge your last point. Tongue

Or Joe Manchin or Evan Bayh or Zell Miller.

But IceSpear really wants to use the gender card.

Lol, I doubt she'd beat Manchin or Bayh. Maybe Miller, though she's currently trailing Gene Taylor in a poll, so...

As for Cuomo, does anyone else find it odd that "true progressive hero" Bill de Blasio went to bat for him of all people, supporting him right away and intensely lobbying the WFP to endorse him, yet is seemingly unsure of whether or not Hillary is "progressive enough?" Hmm, quite curious indeed.

Yes, and Miller went to the RNC and endorsed Bush, after writing a book denouncing Democrats, so I hardly see how he's comparable. All those above pols would do poorly because they're considered unsatisfactory for the true leftists.

I couldn't find the final progressive punch (lifetime) scores of former members of Congress, but as of mid-2009, Bayh had a 74%, and according to this post on Swing State Project, Gene Taylor had a score of 53% near the end of his tenure. Joe Manchin has a 58%.

DWS has 83%. Now I know you'll say, "well scores aren't everything, etc.", but I like them because they're relatively a objective way of measuring a politician's stances.
20  General Discussion / History / Was there more progress from 1890 to 1950 than 1950 to 2010? on: April 21, 2015, 06:29:55 pm
In terms of sheer changes to life, yes. Electricity*, skyscrapers, cars, airplanes, telephones, film, radio, television, rocketry, nuclear weapons- all of this stuff the average person basically did not know about in 1890 (or to the extent it was known, it was a novelty), yet by 1950 or thereabouts, is a part of daily life. In 1890, the world was still a largely agrarian place, the average person had never even seen a skyscraper, and was probably in total shock at something like the Brooklyn Bridge. They rode around on horses. If you put them in a movie theater and have a train approaching the camera, they'll start screaming and running out of the theater. Yet by 1950, almost all the accouterments of modern life are in place. The world of Mad Men is, technologically, not so different from our own.

* IMO, electricity is the defining feature of the modern world, and if any event can be said to mark the temporal dividing line between premodern and modern eras, it would probably be the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago. The modern world lasts until the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which marks the beginning of the postmodern world.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Media outlets strike deal with Republican operatives for dirt on Clinton on: April 21, 2015, 06:07:00 pm
Clinton's response to this was perfect, IMO:

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"[I'll be] subjected to all kinds of distractions and attacks, and I'm ready for that. I know that that comes,unfortunately, with the territory, it is I think worth noting that Republicans seem to be talking only about me. I don't know what they'd talk about if I weren't in the race."
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision on: April 21, 2015, 05:28:37 pm
Excellent work. LOL Vietnam.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Democratic primary: Hillary Clinton vs. Debbie Wasserman Schultz on: April 21, 2015, 03:41:03 pm
Schultz, easily. Probably the only person I'd vote for over Clinton.
24  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: April 21, 2015, 03:13:59 pm
1. Swing State - Florida is the most important swing state, and if she wants to pick someone from that state, there are no statewide office holders except Nelson, who is 5 years older than Hillary. Schultz is the highest ranking Congresscritter otherwise.

2. The Jewish vote. Democrats are hemorrhaging the Jewish vote which is critical in the state.

3. Youth. Schultz is still relatively young which would balance out Hillary's age.

4. You have no idea who she'd appeal to because she's never run a statewide race. She's always done well in her district.

5. Cancer survivor. Excellent personal story of overcoming adversity.

6. If Lincoln Chafee wins the nomination, she'd be an excellent pick. Even waltermitty agrees.
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: April 21, 2015, 02:37:31 pm
Basically a run-down on all of the candidates

GOP
-Vern Buchanan (FL-16)
-Tom Rooney (FL-17)
-Ron DeSantis (FL-6)
-Jeff Miller (FL-1)
-Curt Clawson (FL-19)
-Tom Jolly (FL-13)
-Carlos Lopez-Cantera (LG)
-George LeMieux (Fmr. Sen.)

DEM
-Patrick Murphy (FL-18)
-Alan Grayson (FL-9)

No surprises if you've been actively reading this thread.

Wow, look at all the Florida congresscritters. It's like a party! I can't help but notice FL-23 isn't on this list. I have no idea who the representative for that district is, but whoever it is must be a massive loser.

Grin

She's not going to need your sh**tty ass Senate seat when she's elected as the next VPOTUS next November.
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