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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are Arabs White? on: Today at 01:51:38 pm
Depends on the social context, duh.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Can someone have faith in a personal god and still lead a scientific life? on: March 27, 2015, 09:45:00 pm
Science is a profession, not a lifestyle. I don't understand what a scientific life is but it sounds dreadful.

I don't know, but it brings to mind walking around with a monitoring device inserted up your rectum 24/7 for the benefit of these guys:
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Worst-run presidential campaign on: March 27, 2015, 08:01:51 pm
Al Gore 2000.

Lost an election with 3.8% unemployment, a $200b surplus and no wars. No other campaign is close. Bush didnt run a great campaign other. He was a gaffe machine.

Gore should have won by 5-7 points minimum

The crazy thing is, Gore started almost 20 points behind and ended up winning the popular vote by 500,000.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Madeleine & Anvi Gallery of Excellent Effortposts on: March 27, 2015, 05:16:01 pm
File this one under "just a post I agree with a lot" but still-

This is good news for progressives. Again, an FYI to liberals on how the American political system works: Congress passes the policy and the President enforces them.

Obama's Presidency has been more moderate than people who voted for him in 2008 primaries wanted because he spent 2 years with Harry Reid being too limpwristed to pass any agenda items with 59 Senate seats (59 Senate seats), and then 6 years under Republican rule in one or both chambers.

If the left wing of the Democrat got enthusiastically behind supporting Hillary Clinton for President, did GOTV with Latinos for Hillary, defended Hillary against any drummed up scandals, she could win the popular vote by 10 points or more. She absolutely could. That's enough to flip even the gerrymandered House downballot AND the Senate with all the 2010 inductees up for re-election.

Then you have Nancy Pelosi back as Speaker of the House and Chuck Schumer as Senate majority leader, who would probably abolish the fillibuster.  The bills being passed through those chambers to get signed by Hillary or else from 2016-2018 would be so ridiculously left wing I would join the Tea Party.

But instead, you have these supposedly educated and intelligent liberals giddily hoping Hillary collapses without a defense so they can, at best, look forward to 4 years of Elizabeth Warren doing nothing (#NoThing) with a Republican Congress and, at worst, Scott Walker getting the same treatment from a Tea Party controlled House/Senate supermajority.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do all musicians you listen to have the same political views as you? on: March 27, 2015, 05:09:21 pm
BRTD is a great poster. He makes this place a lot more interesting, which is sorely needed these days.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio Senate advances bill that could deter college students from voting. on: March 27, 2015, 03:42:53 pm
You know, if Democratic PACs really cared about this issue, rather than fighting it tooth and nail on laws, they can use money and resources to help poor and disadvantaged people get state IDs.

That's like saying if Democrats really wanted to help the poor, they should just give to charity.

Eh. Not really. I think having a state ID is a good practice for everyone. The motivations behind these laws are obviously suspect--if it were up to me, state IDs would be free for low income people--but having a state ID is important.

I do think it's important to prevent people from committing voter fraud by voting in two different states, I'm not not convinced such behavior is nonexistent - but at the same time, as someone who has lived in 3 different license-granting jurisdictions in the past 2.5 years, I think "state ID" and other such concepts are flawed. One could easily imagine a college student who keeps their car at their parents' house, and hence has a primary driving state different from their primary residence state. What harm is there then, from keeping their license and registration in their primary driving state?

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The amount of people we are talking about getting disenfranchised here is not that large.

Sure, by itself it's not large. This, plus REAL ID is not large. This, plus REAL ID, plus disenfranchising released felons, is not large. This, plus REAL ID, plus disenfranchising released felons, plus gerrymandering, is not large. This, plus REAL ID, plus disenfranchising released felons, plus gerrymandering, plus whatever else they think of next...

The point is, it's wrong on principle. As jfern said, everything they do is done to make it harder for people to vote, with a special target on marginalized groups. IMO this is right-wing politics in its most pure form. It has nothing to do with policy, it's solely about restricting the franchise and targeting a vulnerable group.

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A good investment by wealthy Democratic donors could neutralize these laws easier than having to fight it politically; and if the laws become neutralized even in one state, the far right will give up their pursuit of this plan for something else.

Well, they'd see that it's an easy way to force Democratic donors to spend money on something they otherwise wouldn't spend money on, so they'd just do it in every state.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Hillary refuse to debate in the primaries? on: March 27, 2015, 03:28:29 pm
McCain 2000 was no clown, so if Bush 2000 could wait until November or December to debate him, I don't see why Hillary can't, presuming she remains as favored by that point as Bush was in 2000.

I just don't understand people who say a competitive primary would be bad for Hillary. We have no way of knowing if she has improved at all from disastrous '08 campaign.

Well, if she wants the nomination, a competitive primary by definition would threaten to take that away, so it's obviously bad for her. How can it not be? The best for her would be a noncompetitive primary and a noncompetitive general (ha), and a Congress that just passes what she wants (ha). Unrealistic, yes, but that would be what's best for her, if that's what we're talking about.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio Senate advances bill that could deter college students from voting. on: March 27, 2015, 02:44:36 pm
You know, if Democratic PACs really cared about this issue, rather than fighting it tooth and nail on laws, they can use money and resources to help poor and disadvantaged people get state IDs.

That's like saying if Democrats really wanted to help the poor, they should just give to charity.
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: US pressured Germany into not giving asylum to Snowden on: March 27, 2015, 02:20:44 pm
I don't really get the butthurt over countries spying on one another when countries spy on each other all the time. Israel spies on the U.S. regularly and it's still an ally. The safe thing to assume is that everyone spies on everyone else.

Well, as a German citizen I can say that I don't really care whether the American government is spying on the German government.

It's more of an issue of the American government potentially spying (or collecting data) on me.

Fair enough.

Of course, there is a school of thought that says actions against governments are more serious than actions against private individuals. If someone were to steal my property, that would be a crime. But if someone were to steal the government's property, that would be an even bigger crime. If someone were to murder me, that would be a terrible crime, but if someone were to murder a government official carrying out his duties, that would be an even bigger crime. The idea is that government is a stand-in and representative of the people, so any action against the government carries with it not only the harms of the action in itself, but the effect of those arms against an entire people. Hence, spying against governments is actually a more serious offense than spying against private parties. So if spying between governments is considered normal, than private parties cannot really expect safety from such spying.

Then there is the fact that private entities are spying on each other all the time now. The average worker and consumer now has dozens of different companies spying on their personal behavior. So if there is no problem with that, why not governments? It's really just an extension of the same thing. The idea that you can have Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. with mountains of personal data, and somehow keep that data sacrosanct and walled off from governments is just a complete fantasy.

Spying hasn't changed and governments haven't changed. What's changed is the technology and the way that we as human beings are migrating our lives onto technology.
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Number of female senators after 2016 elections? on: March 27, 2015, 12:43:34 pm
We had an opportunity in Florida that was killed in the cradle.

You mean Bondi???
Has she said she's not running? I didn't know.

DWS, duh.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Number of female senators after 2016 elections? on: March 27, 2015, 12:39:43 pm
We had an opportunity in Florida that was killed in the cradle.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ithaca College SGA passes bill for online reporting of microaggressions on: March 27, 2015, 12:38:15 pm
Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway, the "tumblr" generation is a small minority even within its own generation (they've always been around really, like redpill - but tech has given them a platform to be more visible). Polls from 2014 show 18-24 year olds actually shifting sharply Republican.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Reid Endorsed Schumer for Senate Dem Leader: Good News for Hillary? on: March 27, 2015, 12:19:16 pm
Hillary should hold off on accepting primary endorsements if she's at all worried about it. In 2007 she wracked up throngs of endorsers only for it to get her practically nothing because it was all old news by the time the battle was joined the following spring. In contrast, Obama was rolling out endorsements like Kerry, McCaskill and Edwards timed to have maximum impact on the news cycle.
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Harry Reid retires!!! on: March 27, 2015, 12:07:19 pm
Farewell to a massive FF. Hopefully the Senator will enjoy his retirement and hopefully we can hold this seat in 2016.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How would you replace/fix ObamaCare? on: March 27, 2015, 11:51:33 am
The exemption for state Medicaid expansion means the Affordable Care Act has not succeeded in bringing universal coverage. Generally, I agree with Harry.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why does Clinton need to chose a male running mate? on: March 27, 2015, 11:49:10 am
The problem with O'Malley is that he wants to be president too badly. I'm not saying he would do anything, but if I were president, I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as my VP.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arkansas bill would let bosses force employees to friend them on Facebook! on: March 27, 2015, 11:47:20 am
This is a relative sideshow - the real story is that companies in the future will be heavily monitoring employee behavior using predictive modelling.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio Senate advances bill that could deter college students from voting. on: March 27, 2015, 11:17:51 am
Incidentally, thanks to the Republican-passed REAL ID act, in order to get my D.C. driver's license, I needed
(1) valid Virginia driver's license
(2) original copy of my passport
(3) original social security card
(4) original copy of my lease signed by my landlord (not easy since my landlord lives in Nevada)
(5) original mail sent by the federal or D.C. government only (not including Virginia or Maryland government official mail) and not including my voter registration card and not including anything older than 60 days
(6) a $40 fee

As the result of this it took like 4-5 trips to the DMV to get it done, since they are closed on Mondays and on Saturdays when the following Monday is a holiday. The thing is, if you just move to D.C. and never get a driver's license, no one knows or cares.
You can't get a DL in DC if you don't have a passport?  That seems odd (and highly unlikely).

Err, you're saying I'm lying or something? I need a passport, since I wasn't born in this country. If I was, an original birth certificate could have been accepted as well.

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I don't understand the lease thing either....every place I've gotten a DL (IL,GA,FL and NE) have asked for a proof of residence, but they usually just expect an electric bill (or whatever).  Number 5 is so confusing I don't even know how to address it.

Yes, that was before D.C. started complying with REAL ID.

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Mind, I'm no fan of REAL ID, but I don't get the level of outrage over it either.  On the official list of things wrong, it's probably not even in the top 100.

Little barriers to participation add up. $75 is not a lot of money for me for the right to vote, but for a college student racking up debt every day, it can be the difference between voting or not voting.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio Senate advances bill that could deter college students from voting. on: March 27, 2015, 09:14:22 am
Incidentally, thanks to the Republican-passed REAL ID act, in order to get my D.C. driver's license, I needed
(1) valid Virginia driver's license
(2) original copy of my passport
(3) original social security card
(4) original copy of my lease signed by my landlord (not easy since my landlord lives in Nevada)
(5) original mail sent by the federal or D.C. government only (not including Virginia or Maryland government official mail) and not including my voter registration card and not including anything older than 60 days
(6) a $40 fee

As the result of this it took like 4-5 trips to the DMV to get it done, since they are closed on Mondays and on Saturdays when the following Monday is a holiday. The thing is, if you just move to D.C. and never get a driver's license, no one knows or cares.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio Senate advances bill that could deter college students from voting. on: March 27, 2015, 08:49:52 am
Just another plan to funnel more power to elites and disenfranchise the marginalized (in this case, college students with unclear residency) in the name of "rules" and "order".
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: US pressured Germany into not giving asylum to Snowden on: March 27, 2015, 08:35:20 am
I don't really get the butthurt over countries spying on one another when countries spy on each other all the time. Israel spies on the U.S. regularly and it's still an ally. The safe thing to assume is that everyone spies on everyone else.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Could Hillary refuse to debate in the primaries? on: March 26, 2015, 06:42:17 pm
The problem for Hillary is that in a debate, all the other candidates will just be going after her. On a stage with, say, four or five candidates, if each candidate gets equal speaking time, then the other three or four candidates (75% to 80% of total speaking time) can spend all their time attacking Hillary only. Whereas Hillary will only be able to defend herself during her own time. It's not to say she shouldn't debate, but it's bad dynamics for her. In a 1-on-1 debate it would be much better for her.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton Retains Strong Appeal to American Women on: March 26, 2015, 03:12:42 pm
There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

Unless you are actively campaigning for Choice C or Choice C has a legitimate shot, you might as well not vote at all than support Choice C. You're basically voting Present.

No, you're really not.  That's a common tactic used by members of both parties to try to delegitimize any desire by others in their party to register their dissatisfaction with their party's nominee.

But it doesn't delegitimize the registration of dissatisfaction to point out that the typical election is between a Republican and a Democrat and a third party has no shot.

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You're sending the message that your party isn't entitled to your vote and that if they want it, then they need to nominate someone you consider worth voting for.  There's nothing wrong with casting a protest vote, despite all the propaganda the Democratic and Republican parties put out there in a largely successful effort to discourage voters from ever doing so.

It doesn't matter what message you think you're "sending." You're not actually sending any message by voting for C other than that you voted for C, because no one knows anything else about you.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What ideological labels would you use to describe your politics? on: March 25, 2015, 09:28:33 pm
Left-wing, theist... that's about it. Smiley
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / The Rise of American Democracy. on: March 25, 2015, 09:19:50 pm
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