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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Bill de Blasio done? on: December 20, 2014, 10:43:53 pm
What exactly did De Blasio do to piss off the union? All I can see is that he met with the protestors' group, suggested the police practices could use some improvement, and said his son has to worry about racial profiling.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 09:04:02 pm
the concept of "respect" in the cop context is not of your universal cry, "all humans deserve respect."  I've no objection to that -- that's simply the absence of sociopathy, not a high bar to clear.  


all that can be concluded from this is that "respect the cops" in practice means to treat them as more important, more virtuous men than those they supposedly serve -- and Lord have mercy on you if you grieve for one of the unpeople, subhumans who die at the hands of the cops.

That's true, the police don't deserve veneration solely by being police. That's an attitude that certainly exists out there and it's stupid. Unfortunately the policing profession often attracts unsubtle people so the police unions' bullying attempts aren't surprising.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What happens to the gay rights movement when same-sex marriage is nationwide? on: December 20, 2014, 08:29:41 pm
Another thing would be the removal of "gay panic"/"trans panic" defences from the law - which would tie into the wider struggles for non-discrimination and against hate crimes.

Yes, this - although is there a list somewhere of cases where this has actually been used successfully?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 08:21:25 pm
Well, police deserve respect as human beings, just as all humans deserve respect. You're a little too "sage" for your own argument tweed... not everyone can be loved. Leave that up to Jesus. Human love is something that is in precious quantity... we can only apportion it out one at a time. Respect, on the other hand, is something that can be delivered.

The evidence in the Michael Brown situation is conflicting at best. The sports team shouldn't be taking a side there.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYPD officers shot dead as "revenge" for Garner decision. on: December 20, 2014, 07:13:46 pm
Another instance of gun-assisted domestic violence with fatal consequences, the gf was probably the main target and then he decided to do the other thing since his life was already over.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren primary play out? on: December 20, 2014, 04:09:40 pm
Getting off topic for a moment- consider this, what was Warren's from Cromnibus speech, in the end, really about? On the surface it was about banks, regulations and bailouts sure, but really it was about corruption, wasn't it? Warren's main beef is that a private group could unethically influence government, of policy bought and sold.

Which class, throughout history, has been most opposed to corruption? The middle class, no? Warren would have fit in well with the Mugwumps. The middle class opposes corruption because corruption is an abrogation of the formal rules and ideals of society, rules and ideals which were created by, and benefit, themselves. Which class have historically benefitted from corruption? Both the upper and the working classes, for precisely the same reasons.* Certainly working class voters do find the idea that Citigroup can buy the government disgusting, but neither they nor the middle class really see any tangible difference in their livelihoods whether the bank takes $50 billion from Treasury or not; the difference is, the middle class, because of their greater levels of education, idealism, and sense of self-efficacy (belief in right and ability to effect the political system) are more motivated to crusade over such causes.

* One might ask why corruption no longer benefits the working class today; that seems to be because it's mechanisms, such as patronage, vote buying, political machines, gangs, and unions were all eviscerated, one by one, by idealistic middle class reformers.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren primary play out? on: December 20, 2014, 03:36:36 pm
I'm not saying I would be unhappy to be wrong, but if history is any guide I'm not wrong.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren primary play out? on: December 20, 2014, 03:33:32 pm
Umm the "Latte Liberal" crowd is more likely to be for Hillary. Warren appeals to blue collar voters by speaking about income inequity and wall street. Hillary is the candidate of the socially liberal/fiscally conservative yuppies.

Yes, in the mind of the middle class radical ever since Marx, the working class is more invested in their ideals than the radical himself, for he is "for their interests." Except it usually isn't true. If it was, Warren would be landsliding in poor ass areas of eastern Kentucky. Instead, the radical castigates the working class as ignorant hicks, inbredgap toothed racists and so on. Too the barricades!
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren primary play out? on: December 20, 2014, 03:22:08 pm
Warren would be a middle class insurgent candidate similar to Eugene McCarthy, Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, Bill Bradley, and Howard Dean. Such candidates have a virtually uniformly losing primary record. None had won in decades until Barack Obama, and that was only because Obama was able to rack up 80 point margins among a group of blue collar voters that usually break heavily toward the establishment candidate. And even then he was only able to barely squeak through. There is little doubt in my mind that blue collar white, Hispanic and black multiracial coalition would break heavily towards Clinton and shut out the latte liberal crowd.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama criticizes Sony for pulling "The Interview" on: December 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
I agree with the sentiment, but does the release of a movie really rise to the level so serious that it requires the president to speak out? I don't think so. The US government itself tried to censor the Innocence of Muslims by asking YouTube to take it down after riots attacked US embassies in 2012- actual physical violence where people were killed, which is a lot worse than issuing a few empty threats and exposing Amy Pascal's racist emails. If I were Sony I would be pretty pissed. What laws have they broken that the US government had to take an official stance against them? If Obama wanted the movie released so bad he could have worked with then to get it pushed to a later date. They are the victims here, having been hacked, facing legal threats from movie theaters, and losing hundreds of millions on this dumb flick- which for all we know never would have bee made without them to begin with. Obama screwed up here unless there's more to this story we don't know. I also think that it's funny how North Korea preventing a movie from being released had generated far more outrage than their actual human rights atrocities. How dare they interfere with our entertainment!
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Nebraska and Oklahoma sue Colorado over marijuana legalization on: December 19, 2014, 01:26:24 am
I don't think Kennedy I'll go for it. This suit wants the conservative justices to vote against one of the big breakthroughs in conservative jurisprudence of the last 20 years.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Pro-Life Feminists on: December 19, 2014, 01:21:30 am
Pro choice feminist > pro life feminist > pro life non feminist
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poll: Americans approve of Brown decision, disapprove of Garner decision on: December 19, 2014, 12:46:04 am
The 24-point income gap on the Brown question is a bit surprising.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Would you rather visit China or Cuba? on: December 19, 2014, 12:25:20 am
Making sweeping generalizations about people is racist, making sweeping generalizations about the environment is not.

The metropolitan areas of China are on average a lot dirtier and more polluted than the U.S., so it could be described as "dirty". That's the price they choose to pay (for now) for producing 58% of the world's cement and 48% of the world's steel. They decided it was better to get cancer but be rich than to be cancer free but poor. Life's trade offs. The U.S. made a very similar one actually, in the 20th century. Now we've outsourced our pollution to China. We get their stuff, while they get the pollution and promissory notes from us printed by the Fed. Pretty good deal for us, IMO. Now if we could only figure out how to distribute some of that gain to the poor blue collar stiff whose labor is worth less thanks to it, like they teach you in economics class when university professors try to convince you that free trade is always good and Pareto optimal. That last step always seems to occur only in theory.

I've never been to Cuba, but I have little doubt the air there is better. I suspect in 20 years it'll be much more like China, or more likely a giant tourist trap. Dirtier and more polluted, but a lot richer.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: DPIC: Executions and death sentences drop to new lows in 2014 on: December 19, 2014, 12:04:13 am
I wish Justices Brennan and Marshall were alive to see this.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: When did you register for the Atlas Forum? on: December 18, 2014, 02:15:29 pm
November 3, 2003
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama pardons 8 non-violent drug offenders, part of "larger push" on: December 18, 2014, 10:43:04 am
This is a sign of an impending small step in the right direction. While about 95% of prisoners are eventually released, our prison system does not do a very good job of rehabilitating the people in its care. In prison, the familial and other social ties that bind the convict to his or her larger society attenuate, while the convict's chances of obtaining employment upon release are devastated. The longer the sentence, the worse the impact. I read that partially as a result, about 40% of released prisoners are re-arrested. Unless we are going to make all crimes life sentences, the criminal justice system needs to be designed with the end (release) in mind, and we need to work better to ensure that we are releasing people who can be reintegrated safely into society.
18  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What was your favorite #1 hit in 2014? on: December 18, 2014, 10:33:11 am
Wow. That's a serious list of crap.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Poll: 59% CIA Treatment Fair, 57% torture justified on: December 18, 2014, 10:24:50 am
A solid majority, 52%, also disagree with Dianne Feinstein and others that the torture report should have been released.


Further, and perhaps the most disturbing part, of the 54% who thought the CIA intentionally misled the White House, Congress, and the public about its activities, about 39% thought it was justified in doing so. A solid majority (53%) thought torture produced important information, despite the findings of the Senate report that it did not. Pretty devastating poll for opponents of torture, IMO.
20  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should Family Guy do an episode about killing Kim Jong-un? on: December 18, 2014, 12:48:52 am
If they do it, I'll be glad that this all happened because the movie looked like teh suck anyway.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you agree with Obama's decision to normalise relationships with Cuba? on: December 17, 2014, 09:25:49 pm
A "victory" in meaningless "battle". Cuba presents no threat to the U.S., it's authoritarian manner of government does not justify their total isolation and never did; the sanctions should have been lifted long ago. Following bad policy out of personal spite for one man would have been Castro's true victory. Then he could say he held U.S. policy hostage for years solely out of fear of him.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama's immigration actions ruled unconstitutional by Penn judge on: December 17, 2014, 09:17:05 pm
The courts have been really shameless since O was elected. They need to keep in mind they're supposed to be impartial arbiters of the law, not another wing of Congress.
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Would you rather visit China or Cuba? on: December 17, 2014, 05:02:36 pm
China, although obviously I'm biased.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NBC/WSJ: Clinton leads among "could see yourself supporting" on: December 17, 2014, 04:47:48 pm
The only thing I don't get about Clinton is how she polls well but whenever her name comes up anywhere on the Internet, sentiment is almost universally negative. Atlas is probably the most pro-Clinton place on the Internet. Once, I remember distinctly scrolling through about 10 pages of Washingtonpost.com comments just to find one positive comment about Clinton, and the Washingtonpost.com comment section is generally center-left.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama to announce sweeping changes in Cuba policy today! on: December 17, 2014, 10:58:50 am

The only ones who will actually change their voting behavior due to this are old Miami Cubans. But yeah, obviously it's a bit of a joke.
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