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12201  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What's the last movie you've seen? on: December 30, 2006, 12:24:28 am
Aliens

That movie gave me nightmares as a kid. To be fair I was like 8 years old.
12202  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What's the last movie you've seen? on: December 28, 2006, 08:47:17 pm
Babel was okay. I'd give it a 6. It was difficult to watch however because you know something bad is going to happen, and of course, it does. It also got a little preachy at one point. Overall though it wasn't too bad.

Little Miss Sunshine was very funny. Best comedy this year, IMO. I also liked Borat, but it was a little painful to watch at times as well, mostly because of the stupidity shown seriously.

The last movie I watched was The Bridge on the River Kwai. Absolutely amazing. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
12203  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Create a slogan for the preceding poster on: December 27, 2006, 10:33:02 pm
Huey-hueyhuuuuuu-chitta-chitta. Bang Bang. Pop.
12204  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Region of the country would the previous poster best fit politically? on: December 27, 2006, 10:23:28 pm
SoCal.
12205  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Murders up in New York, other big cities on: December 27, 2006, 06:25:37 pm
By KAREN MATTHEWS, Associated Press Writer
28 minutes ago
 
NEW YORK - After many years of decline, the number of murders climbed this year in New York and many other major U.S. cities, reaching their highest levels in a decade in some places. Among the reasons given: gangs, drugs, the easy availability of illegal guns, a disturbing tendency among young people to pull guns when they do not get the respect they demand, and, in Houston at least, an influx of Hurricane Katrina evacuees.

In New York, where the city reported 579 homicides through Dec. 24 — a nearly 10 percent increase from the year before — the spike is mostly the result of an unusually large number of "reclassified homicides," or those involving victims who were shot or stabbed years ago but did not die until this year. Thirty-five such deaths have been added to this year's toll, compared with an annual average of about a dozen.

At the same time, Police Department spokesman Paul Browne noted that this year's total is only slightly higher than last year's 539 homicides — the city's lowest death toll in more than 40 years.

Browne blamed the rise in part on the availability of guns, particularly weapons from out of state. The city this year sued dozens of out-of-state gun shops that it says are responsible for many of the illegal weapons on the streets of New York.

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12206  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 26, 2006, 01:18:04 am


Neither Rosie nor Trump claimed they were joking. You seem to be claiming it here as seemingly a last-ditch fallback to justify yourself.

Do you enjoy being the only idiot in America failing to realize that Trump completely blew up this situation simply for attention? Trump did this for attention and laughs. He got both.

Joke or not, Trump was justified in shouting that slob's mouth.

As I said before, the comments aren't really funny at all unless in the context of genuine hatred and mean-spiritedness, which you apparently have. So claiming that there is nothing involved here but humor is disingenuous.

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Perhaps, but in this case I just don't see how her comments were so objectionable. I mean, it's true that Trump has had multiple affairs and wives.


Thanks for half of the story. Trump never denied his affairs. Trump is attacking Rosie for saying he went bankrupt which apparently is totally false.

From what I read she speculated that he would be going bankrupt in the future, not that he had gone bankrupt before.
12207  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Question for jmfcst on: December 26, 2006, 12:45:20 am
Exactly. But I'm interested in seeing what the Bible says about shifting gears. Or if he's capable of answering a question without quoting the Bible.

Well it does no good to conduct an experiment if you give away the point to the subject beforehand Tongue
12208  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 26, 2006, 12:41:12 am
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She has gone long enough in being a loud mouth bitch and it was time for someone to shut her up. That's not hypocritical.

Perhaps, but in this case I just don't see how her comments were so objectionable. I mean, it's true that Trump has had multiple affairs and wives.

Also, if you want to end a kind of objectionable behavior, repeating that objectionable behavior in an even more egregious manner is not a very good way to try to do it.

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And frankly, I'm getting sick of people who use the facade of "joke" to launch mean-spirited and hateful attacks on other people. What they say isn't really that funny, and the core of it is genuine hostility, not comedy.

Speak up when Rosie opens that huge mouth, please.

Neither Rosie nor Trump claimed they were joking. You seem to be claiming it here as seemingly a last-ditch fallback to justify yourself.
12209  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: How much more should the US sacrifice to achieve the goal in Iraq? on: December 26, 2006, 12:37:28 am
If we pull out now, there are going to be a ton of people from the radical Islamist groups saying how they defeated the great superpower, how this is another Afghanistan, how they have a God-given mission, etc. etc. etc.

On the other hand, that doesn't necessarily mean they win the ideological war. The Soviets didn't lose the Cold War in Afghanistan. And they certainly didn't win it in Vietnam.

your right however most people dont understand this and are so far caught up under this obsessive emotional shield that rational ideas arent comprehended, and further the enemy in Iraq is a combination of rejectionists, Saddamists and terrorists. The rejectionists are by far the largest group. These are ordinary Iraqis, mostly Sunni Arabs, who miss the privileged status they had under the regime of Saddam Hussein -- and they reject an Iraq in which they are no longer the dominant group.
Their objective is to drive the United States and coalition forces out of Iraq, and use the vacuum that would be created by an American retreat to gain control of that country. They would then use Iraq as a base from which to launch attacks against America, and overthrow moderate governments in the Middle East, and try to establish a totalitarian Islamic empire that reaches from Indonesia to Spain. That's their stated objective.
Im sure the bush administration believes that this war is difficult--explains for their different attitudes these months--but lets not be suprised that the enemy is actually FIGHTING BACK. Its not like the jihadists are going to sit back and be like "im bored sh**tless." Second, General Casey said a couple months ago that we have not lost a single military engagement and we need to give our soldiers credit for this. Third, we the United States were to walk away from thisit would give the terrorists that opportunity to turn iraq into a stronghold in which they would have access to the worlds second largest reserves of petroleum; they would use this natural resourse as a political weapon against the United States, Euro, Asia and could pit the industrialized supporters of terror, go after israel and perhaps the arabian peninsula.
and as i agree with the above quote the consequences of cut and run are extremely pernicious. It is the fight of the 21st century. Not only this they could also work in concert with Syria and iran which are active supporters of terror.
We need to avoid this being another Vietnam War, The constant carping about us losing the war and using the people as human shields while the media dumping on unconditional whinning and using emotions are going to force us to lose. Away from the general hubris, i think if it werent for obstinate, liberal college cowards and the media ie rather..i think US could have won the war. 

Nevertheless, since August of 2003, we have had continuous economic growth; we've had job growth in each of those months. And maybe if you start doing it by the measure that most people look at -- are you working, do you own a home, do you have good prospects -- more people are working than ever before. More people own homes. More people are making -- people are making, on average, more money than ever before. More people have college degrees, and home ownership and college degrees among minorities continuing to grow. And basically, the American Dream club is getting bigger. What im saying is the war is not affecting the average American--putting this on a standard scale-.

So my conclusion is send as much troops to start a revolution within the sectors.

theman, I don't think you really get the point I was making-- things like this aren't decided by requiring the US to stay in Iraq and occupy Iraq. In the long run that would be counterproductive. Pulling out of Iraq is like a surgery to remove a tumor. Immediately, it might be more painful than continuing to bleed as we are, but the longer we stay in Iraq, the more this battle in the war on terror becomes the war itself, and we don't want that to happen.
12210  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 26, 2006, 12:32:48 am


I know that. And I was saying that it's not a particularly clever joke, although you apparently think it's amazingly cool. Newsflash: Trump's not Trump because he says things like "oh you're a fat slob, blah blah blah," he's who he is because he's ing rich. You don't exactly get any of his mojo by repeating those lines.

Wow and I really expected the same kind of attention/laughs.  Roll Eyes  Stop being such a bitch.

Ok, you weren't expecting any laughs AND you weren't serious? Whatever...

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Sorry Phil, but that smells like bullsh**t. Because Trump's comments were 10x more obnoxious than Rosie's. She basically made a point about him which you yourself admitted was valid, then one or two lines about how he was going bankrupt. Trump didn't even try to respond to her valid point, he just mouthed off a laundry list of insults that he probably realized would play well to boys like yourself.

I love that they were obnoxious and over the top. I admit that. By the way, Trump did address the valid points about bankruptcy. It's not my fault that everyone loved how he launched into an all out hilarious attack on that fat cow.

Please don't think of me as a boy just because you can't take a joke.

Not everyone loved it. You are being contradictory and hypocritical here by saying you love that Trump was being obnoxious but dont like it when Rosie is being obnoxious.

And frankly, I'm getting sick of people who use the facade of "joke" to launch mean-spirited and hateful attacks on other people. What they say isn't really that funny, and the core of it is genuine hostility, not comedy.
12211  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister on: December 25, 2006, 03:02:02 pm
You are a sad, sad clown my friend.

Oh, did I introduce a little cognitive dissonance into your comfortable little world? I'm sorry Tongue

I didn't even read it to tell you the truth, it looks like a couple paragraphs of liberal blah blah blah (the uh... obfuscation of the contusions endless pathology leads us the the conclusion that the disestablishment was in flux)
Reagan had a few things:

Guts
Personality
Margaret Thatcher
Endless military budget
An eastern Europe ready to be helped back into the real world

Add David Hasselhoff, mix well, let rise, bake at 450 for 20 minutes.

I can be very simple too Tongue :
1. Modernize
2. Get Democracy

That is so simple! must explain why everyone is a lovely little democracy these days, oh, wait, it does take a elader with a backbone to give (or forcefeed) it to them

Yes, democracy comes by force-feeding, which is why Palestine and Iraq are such wonderful democracies. Tongue

On the other hand, there are very, very few modernized nations that are not stable democracies.
12212  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: IL Gov. Results Discussion on: December 25, 2006, 12:23:06 am
No its not rambling, it explained a lot about Illinois politics. I had been wondering why Blagojevich did so poorly and Whitney so well.

^^^

This is one election where I didn't really care who won. I guess there was no chance of Blago getting taken out in a primary?
12213  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister on: December 25, 2006, 12:06:11 am
You are a sad, sad clown my friend.

Oh, did I introduce a little cognitive dissonance into your comfortable little world? I'm sorry Tongue

I didn't even read it to tell you the truth, it looks like a couple paragraphs of liberal blah blah blah (the uh... obfuscation of the contusions endless pathology leads us the the conclusion that the disestablishment was in flux)
Reagan had a few things:

Guts
Personality
Margaret Thatcher
Endless military budget
An eastern Europe ready to be helped back into the real world

Add David Hasselhoff, mix well, let rise, bake at 450 for 20 minutes.

I can be very simple too Tongue :
1. Modernize
2. Get Democracy
12214  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister on: December 24, 2006, 11:52:27 pm
You are a sad, sad clown my friend.

Oh, did I introduce a little cognitive dissonance into your comfortable little world? I'm sorry Tongue
12215  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister on: December 24, 2006, 11:46:49 pm
Reagan didn't make anything, he simply rode a wave of economic trends that came before him, that was bigger than him, and that was in no way dependent on him. He was just a pretty face and a sunny smile.

The end of the Cold War was not about communism vs. capitalism. Communism as a serious ideology died out in the 1950's, although it took about two decades longer in the third world. By the time Reagan arrived on the scene it was purely a question of authoritarian government or democratic government.

The democratic revolutions of the 1970s and 1980s were a victory for the power of developed economies (e.g., economic prosperity on the basis of diversified industrial sector, as opposed to resource wealth), combined with an educated middle class thus leading to strong civil societies. The foundations for the emergence of these elements in Latin America, Southern and Eastern Europe, and a few other areas including South Korea and Taiwan were laid down at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944, when the world powers led by the U.S. decided on a postwar course of liberal internationalism and state guidance for economic recovery after the war and the Depression. Separately in the eastern bloc a much less successful and fatally flawed, but still substantial industrial plant was built up.

By the middle of the 1970s, three decades of strong economic growth under the abovementioned policies, in the abovementioned areas, created the necessary conditions outlined that were prerequisites for sustainable democratization under modernization theory. The democratization wave began in Spain and Portugal in 1975 and continued through to South Africa in 1994, resulting in the collapse of both communist and non-communist dictatorships.

However, at the same time that democratization wave was beginning, world economic growth suddenly slowed under the 1973 Oil Crisis and for the next 30 years. Money that flowed into resource-rich economies in the Middle East, particularly the gulf region, did not go to support genuine economic or social modernization. Economic growth rates continued to fall into the 1980s, and in the third world, well into the 1990s. In the mid-1990s, the wave of democratization suddenly slowed and stopped, and is now in some places reversing itself.
12216  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Sex Ed on: December 24, 2006, 06:07:43 pm
There are two facets to sex ed -- teaching about the basic facts, and teaching about the deeper meaning of sex and the values that maximize the enjoyment of sex while minimizing the potential problems.

I would first address the mechanics, and I think the boy and the girl should get identical information in this respect, though there could be some difference in focus due to the obvious biological differences that could lead the boy to focus on some different issues than the girl would.

When it comes to the second facet, I think the conversation would have to be tailored to the sex of the child.  The boy would have to be reminded of the responsibilities that come from sex, and the need to make sure that he is not responsible for any child ending up with a deficient upbringing due to his irresponsibility.

A girl would have to be taught about the need to look out for her own best interests in relationships with boys, and not be coaxed into unprotected sex with a boy who will dump her if she gets pregnant.  She also needs to be taught about the responsibilities that come with sex, and how it is up to her to help secure the best circumstances for any children that she may have.

The analogy I would use about sex is to compare it to fire or water.  When controlled and used for their proper purpose, fire and water are essential to our lives, and enhance our lives tremendously.  When they are out of control and control us, and/or are used for purposes other than what they are intended for, they bring untold misery and grief.

So I guess the bottom line that I would try to teach them is -- control sex, don't let it control you, and use this gift wisely to enhance your life, and not foolishly in a way that will ruin or damage your life.  I'd probably try to point out some examples that they could relate to of each.

^^^^
12217  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the two preceding posters would you rather have as your roomate? on: December 24, 2006, 05:46:04 pm
Both would be good... but Gully is more mysterious. So I guess him Tongue
12218  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Merry Christmas on: December 24, 2006, 03:01:02 pm
Merry Christmas Phil (and to all forumers of course Tongue).
12219  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poster with the best taste in music on: December 24, 2006, 02:50:00 pm
Wow. I was going to say Michael Z. Tongue
12220  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 24, 2006, 02:26:05 pm


Right. Apparently you think it makes you cool because you know how to say fancy words like "slob". Oh you are so cool now, aren't you?

Can you grow a dick, please? I clearly stated that I was jokingly using Trump's lines.

I know that. And I was saying that it's not a particularly clever joke, although you apparently think it's amazingly cool. Newsflash: Trump's not Trump because he says things like "oh you're a fat slob, blah blah blah," he's who he is because he's ing rich. You don't exactly get any of his mojo by repeating those lines.

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Exactly, she's an uppity woman who deserves to be put in her place.

Exactly. It's not like I have a problem with loud mouth men or anything.  Roll Eyes

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Thanks for proving my point-- twice.

Because I think she's obnoxious? I'm not allowed to think of any women as obnoxious? I think you're being a bit more "uppity" than that hefer.

Sorry Phil, but that smells like bullsh**t. Because Trump's comments were 10x more obnoxious than Rosie's. She basically made a point about him which you yourself admitted was valid, then one or two lines about how he was going bankrupt. Trump didn't even try to respond to her valid point, he just mouthed off a laundry list of insults that he probably realized would play well to boys like yourself.
12221  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 24, 2006, 02:08:59 pm


Let's keep it civil here. I know you like to get things personal, but I haven't said anything about Santorum yet.

If you haven't noticed, I am jokingly using the same lines Trump did. Get a clue, slob, or I'll get one of my girls to steal your girlfriend.

Right. Apparently you think it makes you cool because you know how to say fancy words like "slob". Oh you are so cool now, aren't you?

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he's still hilarious and justified for going after that slob
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Why?

Because she is a loud mouth who deserves to be put in her place.

Exactly, she's an uppity woman who deserves to be put in her place.

Thanks for proving my point-- twice. And dazzleman, if you're defending this behavior, I'm disappointed in you. It is incivility and misogyny. From the supposed party of "moral values." Your tortured logic and reasonable-sounding paragraphs are just like pretty decorations trying to cover up on an ugly reality.
12222  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Right-winger declares that Obama is really a Muslim on: December 24, 2006, 02:16:08 am
Do you know what defines a "blue state" in general?  It's a state that voted for the Democrat in the last presidential election.  If George Bush won in a landslide in 2004 and carried Illinois, would you then be okay with Obama because he was from a red state?  Was Bill Clinton a bad candidate in 1996 since he came from Arkansas, at the time a "blue state"?

Illinois is not just any blue state.  There is no longer any Republican elected statewide.

Ah, so in addition to being a "blue state", Illinois can also be classified as a "smart state".

Errr, I think it's more like "state containing the city of Chicago" Tongue
12223  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Trump on: December 24, 2006, 02:05:47 am
For the record, you unattractive fat ass

Let's keep it civil here. I know you like to get things personal, but I haven't said anything about Santorum yet.

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he's still hilarious and justified for going after that slob.

Why?
12224  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: A big post of Senate maps on: December 24, 2006, 01:36:23 am
True, but it's much more amazing for a Republican to lose the vast majority of counties and still win a state.

True, it's often happens in the south, though, especially in economically underdeveloped areas, or if there is a populist Democrat running.
12225  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Arizona Reigns as Fastest-Growing State on: December 24, 2006, 01:12:33 am
Whats so crazy about that?  It looks like she's just waving to the crowd of a parade to me.

jfern is just being facetious, I think.
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