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12201  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The war in Iraq started August 2002 on: June 25, 2005, 02:39:25 pm
Saddam Hussein: a useful idiot.

Next up: Kim Jong Il.
12202  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Iran presidential election on: June 25, 2005, 02:06:21 pm
In 2001 reform-minded Khatami won 77% of the vote-- NOT all from pro-establishment voters. Most probably substantially anti-establishment in fact.
12203  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: poll for Americans on: June 25, 2005, 01:59:36 pm
Canada
12204  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Communist China More Popular than US, Poll Shows on: June 25, 2005, 01:57:48 pm
I agree with those who say the answers would be different if the question was "Where would you rather live?"

Best reaction for the US- cut out all foreign aid and all US backed loans to foreign countries. We should do that anyway.

That wouldn't pass by the Israeli lobby, which would suffer most.
12205  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your chance to influence national policy! on: June 24, 2005, 07:29:59 pm
Where is the list of the territories taken? It's a little difficult that some people are already taking 3 territories when other people haven't seen this thread until now.

People have only taken 2 each. And here you go.

http://www.geocities.com/americanatlas05/atlas.html

I've been working with Adam on the game rules - keep in mind that nothing is yet set in stone.

Alright I'll take 59 and 66.
12206  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Iran presidential election on: June 24, 2005, 07:12:20 pm
What crushed the nascent revolutionary movement was the recognition that it was not a revolutionary movement, at least not to the vast majority of its followers.

That's not exactly the counterrevolutionary movement I was talking about, that was only a sign of it. As far as it would overturn the (second) Iranian revolution, it, much like the fall of the U.S.S.R., would be counter- revolutionary in nature, to be precise.
No...that's not what most reformist voters wanted, never has been.

Again, you got the wrong idea. You are talking about the national government, establishment elements and their supporters. I am not. Can it only be two or three years since the student movement there? Seems we have forgotten already.
12207  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Michigan, 2006 on: June 24, 2005, 12:52:27 pm
Both Granholm and Stabenow will win but it won't make Michigan soild democrat.  Stabenow will win due to lack of good candidate.  Granholm will win for the same reason and due to the fact that the michigan republican party is g stupid.

Sadly, a lot of local Republican parties in the Midwest (namely Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio) have serious problems.

Why Ohio? I thought the GOP controlled everything there?

The governor's scandal, maybe?

In any case, I take state legislative behavior to be the best indicator of a state's political leanings, if only because this is the lowest and most local level of government, therefore the most "grassroots" level, where party id means something close to what it means nationally. Executive positions like the governorship are of course important, but are not quite as partisan since the governor's job isn't to pass laws.

This is true, but it is worth considering that there is very low education about the state legislature.  It almost follows district approval of each party on state level in many cases.  Incumbnents will get booted out just because they are of a certain party and there was a slight political change.

Well if they're very vulnerable, at least they'll be responsive. Their relative invisibility actually is more of a strength then a weakness. It's much easier to criticize a governor or president than a lawmaking body. In general, even on the national level, the lower, more lawmaking-oriented elected positions are often more important than executive ones. No matter what your objective, winning the support of legislatures means you've won the support of the population--you have a more long-term political base (contrary to myth about the 'special interests', most lawmakers are responsive to their consituents' opinions). Winning the support of an executive does not. Too often, the latter is what grabs a disproportionate amount of headlines and attention.
12208  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is Richius a troll? on: June 24, 2005, 11:53:35 am
You know, after writing my post I kind of was disappointed, because on the one hands its moderately clever, but on the other hand not many people will get it, Al least of all.

It's not clever if you have to point out your own cleverness.
12209  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Intelligent design belongs in Church not Biology class. on: June 24, 2005, 11:45:40 am
Is it me or is the USA the only civilised nation in the world who is deeply split by this?

Spain Ireland and Italy seem to have their religious divisions.

Correct- Intelligent design does not belong in Biology class. However it does belong in History class.
12210  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: FDA approves race-specific drug on: June 24, 2005, 11:38:32 am
For a drug to work in one race and then be completely useless outside it

The funny thing is, that is completely untrue in this situation Smiley

Maybe you didn't read the article.

A lot of our drugs even work on monkeys, so just because you get 10% effectiveness or something with whites is irrelevant.

Ok, blacks are monkeys. Got it.
12211  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Size of government on: June 24, 2005, 11:37:56 am
Too big. The supreme court just ruled that local governments may seize a person's home or business against their will for economic development in a 5-4 vote. Are we in Communist Russia, North Korea, or semi-Communist Venezuela? Bad ruling.

A terrible ruling. I have to agree with you here.
12212  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 1896 Election on: June 24, 2005, 11:30:30 am
If transported back in time today-Bryan.

At the time-McKinley.
12213  General Discussion / History / Re: When's the last time. . . on: June 24, 2005, 11:28:57 am
Paul Patton did if you county Kentucky as part of the south.
12214  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: george voinovich '08 on: June 24, 2005, 11:18:44 am
Voinovich's Best Outcome:


DEM - 194
Voinovich - 344

This is the best that could happen if he ran unless he had a good running mate or something along those lines.

New Hampshire?
12215  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Lebanon communist leader killed in bombing on: June 24, 2005, 11:12:00 am
Extreme Leftism is a better way to combate Islam than than extreme rightism.

Islamic fundamentalism is the ultimate form of extreme rightism.
12216  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Communist China More Popular than US, Poll Shows on: June 24, 2005, 11:10:33 am
I dont' see what's the big competition here. Most people view both countries positively. That in itself is the biggest surprise, and it should be heartening that the international climate is still civil.
12217  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor Bracket 2 on: June 24, 2005, 11:07:50 am
Hans Adam II[
12218  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 1 on: June 24, 2005, 11:07:06 am

Benedict XVI
12219  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 4 on: June 24, 2005, 11:06:03 am

Sultan Qaboos
12220  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 3 on: June 24, 2005, 11:04:30 am

Émile Lahoud
12221  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Michigan, 2006 on: June 23, 2005, 08:51:14 pm
Both Granholm and Stabenow will win but it won't make Michigan soild democrat.  Stabenow will win due to lack of good candidate.  Granholm will win for the same reason and due to the fact that the michigan republican party is ing stupid.

Sadly, a lot of local Republican parties in the Midwest (namely Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio) have serious problems.

Why Ohio? I thought the GOP controlled everything there?

The governor's scandal, maybe?

In any case, I take state legislative behavior to be the best indicator of a state's political leanings, if only because this is the lowest and most local level of government, therefore the most "grassroots" level, where party id means something close to what it means nationally. Executive positions like the governorship are of course important, but are not quite as partisan since the governor's job isn't to pass laws.
12222  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Misouri and Bellewether Row on: June 23, 2005, 08:44:57 pm
Hmm, very interesting. Especially since it's mean and not median.
12223  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Karl Rove loses it on: June 23, 2005, 08:38:02 pm
Today he said
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Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.  Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8324598/

Let's see if there's a double standard, where Dean gets bashed no matter what he said, and comments like this are ok.

Exactly, very much of a double standard.
12224  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Liberalism at work in Canada on: June 22, 2005, 08:26:39 pm
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I don't know why it can't be both.

Because 'tragedy' isn't political enough for some people.
12225  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: pierre (pete) dupont? on: June 22, 2005, 08:25:27 pm
Yes, I am aware of DuPont.

A member of one of America's wealthiest families.

State Legislator Delaware
House of Representatives from Delaware 1971-77
Governor of Delaware 1977-85
Candidate for Republican Presidential nomination 1988

Any further political ambitions for him?

Why should he run?
 

i seriously doubt he has any political ambitions.  he is over 70 now.

he should run because he is a free marketeer.  we need a champion of free enterprise in the white house.

Yeah right. He would never be able to come close to the GOP nomination.
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