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12201  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Walmart vs. Target on: December 03, 2006, 11:16:58 pm
Never been to a Walmart-- not that I have anything against it, oh no. I might shop there quite often. None has ever been built anywhere I've ever lived. In fact, I have only seen a Wal-mart once, when I was visiting my cousin in San Jose and we were trying to Monterrey to visit some of his other kin. I saw it over the left side of the interstate, and yes, it was huge. Otherwise, I have shopped at just about every store imaginable, Target, Lowes, Home Depot, Hechts, Kmart, Sears, the Salvation army etc., massive shopping centers, you name it. But never seen a Wal-mart in the past 6 years.
12202  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Breyer: Court Should Aid Minority Rights on: December 03, 2006, 11:13:27 pm
Since when has "constitutional" been reduced to a synonym for "good"?

Well, the ends for which the law is established is for the good of society.
12203  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Breyer: Court Should Aid Minority Rights on: December 03, 2006, 11:10:17 pm
Of course, I agree with you (Tongue), but I'd like to comment on how incoherent Breyer's argument is.

Granted this is just a FoxNews interview, but even supreme court justices are required to put some sort of thought in what they say off the bench.

On the one hand, he says that the Constitution protects, among other things, a "a degree of equality ... so that no one gets too powerful." Then, just moments later, says it wouldn't make sense to strictly follow the Constitution because some of its phrases are vague.

Using the McCain-Feingold CFR as an example, Breyer says he ignored the clear, literal text of the Constitution -- you know, the one he says guarantees the rights of the minority against the powerful -- to make the electoral process 'more fair.' Because he couldn't have otherwise if he actually followed previous law on the topic.

This makes no sense unless one accepts the negation of what Breyer says, namely that the Constitution does not guarantee any degree of equality of outcome (i.e., what Scalia and Thomas argue). Then it is perfectly logical to ignore it to make society 'more fair.' All Breyer's talk about 'vague language' in the text and such is just a pure red herring.

But if Breyer said as much, then he'd admit that Scalia's strict constructionist interpretation is the correct one.

Scalia isn't really a strict constructionist though. There are no purely strict constructionists on the Court, because all of them toss out strict constructionism when it suits them. In order to understand Breyer's comments you have to look beyond simplistic understandings of how the law works and see the legal culture that has sustained much of the legal system through the modern, and even pre-modern, era.

The premise of having judges is that there are legitimate areas of dispute as to how the law applies in some cases and that the answer is not 100% clear. It is true, for example, that the "Constitution that protects a democratic system, basic liberties, a rule of law, a degree of equality, a division of powers, state, federal, so that no one gets too powerful"; the founders designed it specifically for this purpose. It is also true, however, that the Constitution was written in a very different, that it contains areas of ambiguity which are unclear in the modern context. Breyer seems to be arguing that when these areas of ambiguity apply, we ought to take up the interpretation that substantively fulfills the ends for which the Constitution has been designed. That is not in the least incoherent.
12204  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Forum member blogs on: December 03, 2006, 01:57:47 am
I admire certain bloggers' ability to keep posting interesting stuff every day for what are often years, and to be up-to-date continually about the topics they focus on, while keeping their real life strong, without being directly paid- though I imagine having a sizeable readership is a strong motivating factor. Bloggers have really democratized the media (the only barrier to entry is a computer with Internet access and some free time) and they deserve special praise for doing so.
12205  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: is the preceding poster a jackass? on: December 02, 2006, 07:06:54 pm
No, he's a Republican
12206  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Democratic Underground vs. Free Republic on: December 01, 2006, 06:12:24 pm
Neither, and anyone who thinks either site has anything worthwhile to say is clearly smoking something.

Neither.  Both are a waste of braincells.

^^^^^^

We need a whacky site for extremist Moderates Smiley

I thought thats what this forum was for.

The average political tone around here used to be rather moderate, but has taken an unfortunate jaunt to the left lately.
Dude. You're liberal. Get over it.

There is no need to start throwing around insults.

It's not an insult.
12207  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 30, 2006, 08:24:48 pm
Am I the only one not to think any of the things Don said were particularly strange? The number of Democratic hacks here have become so large that they actually seem to think they're some sort of mainstream now. Sheesh. Crawl back to your holes...

So you agree with the implication that a liberal can't be a hero or a real American which Don evidently holds?
12208  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tancredo insults Jeb Bush, the city of Miami on: November 30, 2006, 03:42:46 pm
Fark.com? That site is a joke. All they do is post stupid one liners to selected news stories. But of course no one really cares what anyone writes there.

That's the point.  And also why I like it.

Fark.com? That site is a joke. All they do is post stupid one liners to selected news stories. But of course no one really cares what anyone writes there.

That's the point.  And also why I like it.

Well to each his own I guess. Tongue
12209  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Tancredo insults Jeb Bush, the city of Miami on: November 30, 2006, 03:30:22 pm
Fark.com? That site is a joke. All they do is post stupid one liners to selected news stories. But of course no one really cares what anyone writes there.

As for Tancredo- he knows his audience. This will help his political career, not end it.
12210  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Arguements defending Iraqi ocupation on: November 29, 2006, 09:33:41 pm
The fact that it is now the lesser of all available evils; given that Iraq's biggest political blocs {not to mention the guerilla groups} are all sectarian (and the biggest has some very pro-Iran elements including Iraqi Hezbollah) any sort of reduced security would only increase the Anarchy and bloodshed.

Though anyone who thinks Iraq is not in Civil war right now really needs to get out of their reality bubble. (same for anyone who wants America to invade Iran - the Iraqi invasions greatest benificator is so far been Iran.)

Bingo. The current choices are as follows:

A. Trade 1,000 soldiers and $100 billion each year in exchange for preventing an all-out Middle East war.

B. Pull out and cause the complete breakdown of order in Iraq, and chance causing an all-out Middle East war.

^ ^ ^ ^

Pretty much.

As with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict however, as time goes on hope springs eternal, and with the right political will and a sufficient amount of armed control I really think some kind of peace agreement can be worked out between the sectional factions. The problem is the political will is very weak and it will cost a lot of money to disarm those independent militias which cannot be persuaded to join a political process.
12211  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: would you disown your child if... on: November 29, 2006, 09:06:19 pm
None of the above
^^^
12212  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Pelosi skips Hastings for Intelligence Chair on: November 29, 2006, 09:05:06 pm
hastings is a freedom fighter.

why does pelosi dislike harman so much? 

Congressional catfight.  Me-ow.

Maybe you should call in Bill Frist.
12213  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 29, 2006, 09:00:24 pm
Et tu, Beet? Tongue

Does he consider John Glenn not a hero then?

I didn't think he was really a liberal.

A pro-union, pro-choice, pro-Social Security, pro-Medicare, anti-school prayer, pro-arms control, pro-public schooling Senator is definitely a liberal.

John Kerry?

Yes.  He's a hero for handing us the election in '04, and making a valiant attempt at the same in '06.  Thanks!
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He also won three Purple hearts. I guess those mean nothing to you.

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So is Jimmy Carter.

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Wes Clark?

You mean the guy who supported Bush in '00 and was a Republican until quite recently, until he started being a member of the opportunist party?

Uh, a lot of people supported Bush in '00 and don't now. Back then he was the candidate of 'compassionate conservatism' and noninterventionism, remember?

If he was a real opportunist he would have stayed a Republican and acted like Zell Miller.

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Kennedy?

John F. Kennedy, who is an American hero, was perhaps the strongest believer in American exceptionalism, which is no longer a liberal trait.

You have got to be screwing yourself. Liberals are the ones who believe in American exceptionalism today and always have, because this country was founded on liberal themes.

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All the vets who ran for office this year as Dems?

My congrats to Rahm Emanuel on an excellent recruitng year.

They're all still heros and liberals.

I guess if you're a liberal Dem, it doesn't matter what you did... you're permanently shut out of heroism altogether in Don's mind.

As long as Bob Dole, George HW Bush, John McCain, and Duke Cunningham are shut out in the liberal mind, then I suppose so.
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Uh, which liberal ever said that Bob Dole, George HW Bush and John McCain weren't real Americans, and they didn't serve their country as heros in war? None of them did.
12214  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Senators Who You Love and Sentors You to Love to Hate on: November 29, 2006, 06:00:53 pm
Wow. Don is so sucked up in his ugly stereotype of the liberal boogeyman that he doesn't seem to realize that anyone who he considers to be somehow patriotic or heroic could be a liberal Democrat. Does he consider John Glenn not a hero then? John Kerry? Max Cleland? Wes Clark? Kennedy? All the vets who ran for office this year as Dems? I guess if you're a liberal Dem, it doesn't matter what you did... you're permanently shut out of heroism altogether in Don's mind.
12215  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Minnesota trending Republican? on: November 29, 2006, 05:46:22 pm
Maybe the Dems need to emphasize suburban issues like gun control more often. The vast majority of people live in the suburbs, and those who don't want to. You can't escape it.

I can't imagine that emphasising gun control is going to help in the suburbs more than it will hurt in blue collar, working-class district.  I can't see many suburban GOP people switching over based on gun control.

I don't think a lot of these people are GOP people so to speak, they are more like independents or weak identifiers, maybe even Democrats who voted Republican once in a while based on taxes. What the Dems need to do is (locally) emphasize the issue. It's one more thing to talk about other than just economics.

Why?  Gun control, as an issue, is dead in the Democratic party.  How many candidates won this year in red districts who emphasized gun control?

And how many lost in suburban districts who didn't emphasize gun control because they were afraid that it was a dead issue? Even though large majorities of the public, 60-70%, support more stringent security measures for guns?

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Besides, gun control is just silly.  If you take away the guns, then the criminals will still get to them, and honest law-abiding citizens will be defenseless.  Even if criminals somehow can't get their hands on a gun, they would just use another weapon.

There are no weapons that are as deadly as guns, generally speaking. Gun control opponents constantly try to stereotype gun control advocates as trying to "take away the guns," but that just isn't the case. Advocates want to make guns safer, and enact measures to make sure that criminals don't have easy access to them. The only ban enacted, a ban on assault weapons, proved to be very effective. The number of assault weapons traced to crime scenes dropped 45% after the enactment of the ban. According to one article, deaths caused by guns dropped from 38,505 in 1994 to 29,573 in 2001, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. While crime experts say the drop resulted from several factors, such as fewer gang shootings involving crack cocaine, they cite the assault weapons ban and other gun controls passed in 1993 and 1994 as among the causes.

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A lot of Dem candidates in red states have been doomed because of the NRA.  The Coalition for Gun Control is not as effective.

I'm not saying Dems should emphasize gun control in every district. I'm just saying that districts are differently and not every district is vehemently opposed to gun control. In some (most) districts, it is favored.
12216  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Minnesota trending Republican? on: November 29, 2006, 04:10:19 pm
Maybe the Dems need to emphasize suburban issues like gun control more often. The vast majority of people live in the suburbs, and those who don't want to. You can't escape it.

I can't imagine that emphasising gun control is going to help in the suburbs more than it will hurt in blue collar, working-class district.  I can't see many suburban GOP people switching over based on gun control.

I don't think a lot of these people are GOP people so to speak, they are more like independents or weak identifiers, maybe even Democrats who voted Republican once in a while based on taxes. What the Dems need to do is (locally) emphasize the issue. It's one more thing to talk about other than just economics.
12217  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is Minnesota trending Republican? on: November 29, 2006, 04:04:38 pm
Maybe the Dems need to emphasize suburban issues like gun control more often. The vast majority of people live in the suburbs, and those who don't want to. You can't escape it.
12218  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado homeowners' association disallows display of peace symbol on: November 29, 2006, 03:41:37 am
This is no more of a newsworthy story than the microwave baby. Sadly, people would rather be entertained by essentially random and arbitrary anecdotes than hear about real things like economic statistics and crime statistics and education reports in the news. Next thing you know Keith Olbermann will be seizing on this incident as some kind of nationwide trend towards banning peace symbols, and he'll write a book called "the war on peace" that will appear on the ny times best seller list, and the pundits will chase their tails for about six months trying to figure it out while in the meantime, america falls further behind economically.

Personally, the woman should have taken the damn sign down. People have their kids risking their lives in Iraq, and Christmas shouldnt be corrupted into some kind of thing which makes people feel bad. If there's one refuge from politics we have these days (besides sports), its the holiday season. I feel sad that the arbitrary and capricious corporate globomedia in this country has intimidated this defenseless little community into retracting its fine.
12219  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the two preceding bands do you like more? on: November 28, 2006, 03:29:32 pm
Probably Ben Folds.

The White Stripes
12220  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Family plans vigil for man killed by NYPD on day of his wedding on: November 28, 2006, 02:38:07 pm
This is one of the many reasons why people in poor neighborhoods distrust the police.
12221  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Arizona county maps: English, Marriage, and Big Money on: November 28, 2006, 02:28:56 pm
I think if things like the English thing help settle people's anxieites, then what's the problem with it? I'm for it.
12222  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Polygamists Fight to Legalize Polygamy on: November 27, 2006, 11:18:31 am
I have a feeling that one day I will be one of those old guys railing about the "decline of traditional moral values" et cetera et cetera.
12223  General Politics / International General Discussion / Israel, Palestinians OK Gaza cease-fire on: November 26, 2006, 12:15:57 am
Some good news from that front.
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By AMY TEIBEL and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers

JERUSALEM - A truce meant to end five months of deadly Israeli-Palestinian clashes went into effect throughout the        Gaza Strip early Sunday, significantly bolstering hopes of coaxing moribund peace talks back to life.

The Israeli military said all troops were withdrawn from Gaza in the hours before the 6 a.m. cease-fire, announced late Saturday, took force. Dozens of tanks and armored vehicles were parked just over the border in a military staging ground in southern        Israel early Sunday, and the streets of northern Gaza were empty.

The agreement was a coup for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as he tries to form a more moderate government than the one currently led by Islamic Hamas radicals. Abbas, a moderate from the        Fatah Party elected separately last year, hopes a new government lineup will persuade the West to end crushing economic sanctions imposed after Hamas took power in March.

The truce was meant to halt rocket fire and other militant attacks on Israel from Gaza, and a military offensive Israel launched in the coastal strip in June, less than a year after ending its 38-year occupation. About half an hour before it took effect, Hamas militants said they fired two rockets at southern Israel. One hit a house, but caused no injuries, the military said.

The two sides announced the accord after Abbas telephoned Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert late Saturday to tell him he had arrived at an agreement with Palestinian factions to stop rocket fire and all other violence from Gaza. Olmert reciprocated by pledging to stop all Israeli military operations in Gaza and withdraw all troops there, aides to both leaders said.

Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rdeneh said a truce reached in Egypt in February 2005 would be revived.
12224  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post a serious positive and nice thing about the proceding poster on: November 26, 2006, 12:06:58 am
Never seen him lose his temper. and he's been around a loong time.
12225  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lt. Governor on: November 25, 2006, 11:53:57 pm
What happened to him?

I would volunteer, but I don't think I'd actually do anything.
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