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12201  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Intelligent design belongs in Church not Biology class. on: June 24, 2005, 11:45:40 am
Is it me or is the USA the only civilised nation in the world who is deeply split by this?

Spain Ireland and Italy seem to have their religious divisions.

Correct- Intelligent design does not belong in Biology class. However it does belong in History class.
12202  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: FDA approves race-specific drug on: June 24, 2005, 11:38:32 am
For a drug to work in one race and then be completely useless outside it

The funny thing is, that is completely untrue in this situation Smiley

Maybe you didn't read the article.

A lot of our drugs even work on monkeys, so just because you get 10% effectiveness or something with whites is irrelevant.

Ok, blacks are monkeys. Got it.
12203  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Size of government on: June 24, 2005, 11:37:56 am
Too big. The supreme court just ruled that local governments may seize a person's home or business against their will for economic development in a 5-4 vote. Are we in Communist Russia, North Korea, or semi-Communist Venezuela? Bad ruling.

A terrible ruling. I have to agree with you here.
12204  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 1896 Election on: June 24, 2005, 11:30:30 am
If transported back in time today-Bryan.

At the time-McKinley.
12205  General Discussion / History / Re: When's the last time. . . on: June 24, 2005, 11:28:57 am
Paul Patton did if you county Kentucky as part of the south.
12206  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: george voinovich '08 on: June 24, 2005, 11:18:44 am
Voinovich's Best Outcome:


DEM - 194
Voinovich - 344

This is the best that could happen if he ran unless he had a good running mate or something along those lines.

New Hampshire?
12207  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Lebanon communist leader killed in bombing on: June 24, 2005, 11:12:00 am
Extreme Leftism is a better way to combate Islam than than extreme rightism.

Islamic fundamentalism is the ultimate form of extreme rightism.
12208  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Communist China More Popular than US, Poll Shows on: June 24, 2005, 11:10:33 am
I dont' see what's the big competition here. Most people view both countries positively. That in itself is the biggest surprise, and it should be heartening that the international climate is still civil.
12209  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor Bracket 2 on: June 24, 2005, 11:07:50 am
Hans Adam II[
12210  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 1 on: June 24, 2005, 11:07:06 am

Benedict XVI
12211  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 4 on: June 24, 2005, 11:06:03 am

Sultan Qaboos
12212  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 3 on: June 24, 2005, 11:04:30 am

Émile Lahoud
12213  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Michigan, 2006 on: June 23, 2005, 08:51:14 pm
Both Granholm and Stabenow will win but it won't make Michigan soild democrat.  Stabenow will win due to lack of good candidate.  Granholm will win for the same reason and due to the fact that the michigan republican party is ing stupid.

Sadly, a lot of local Republican parties in the Midwest (namely Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio) have serious problems.

Why Ohio? I thought the GOP controlled everything there?

The governor's scandal, maybe?

In any case, I take state legislative behavior to be the best indicator of a state's political leanings, if only because this is the lowest and most local level of government, therefore the most "grassroots" level, where party id means something close to what it means nationally. Executive positions like the governorship are of course important, but are not quite as partisan since the governor's job isn't to pass laws.
12214  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Misouri and Bellewether Row on: June 23, 2005, 08:44:57 pm
Hmm, very interesting. Especially since it's mean and not median.
12215  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Karl Rove loses it on: June 23, 2005, 08:38:02 pm
Today he said
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Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.  Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8324598/

Let's see if there's a double standard, where Dean gets bashed no matter what he said, and comments like this are ok.

Exactly, very much of a double standard.
12216  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Liberalism at work in Canada on: June 22, 2005, 08:26:39 pm
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I don't know why it can't be both.

Because 'tragedy' isn't political enough for some people.
12217  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: pierre (pete) dupont? on: June 22, 2005, 08:25:27 pm
Yes, I am aware of DuPont.

A member of one of America's wealthiest families.

State Legislator Delaware
House of Representatives from Delaware 1971-77
Governor of Delaware 1977-85
Candidate for Republican Presidential nomination 1988

Any further political ambitions for him?

Why should he run?
 

i seriously doubt he has any political ambitions.  he is over 70 now.

he should run because he is a free marketeer.  we need a champion of free enterprise in the white house.

Yeah right. He would never be able to come close to the GOP nomination.
12218  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Misouri and Bellewether Row on: June 22, 2005, 02:50:58 pm
Gustaf was talking mean.  Thefactor inexplicably switched to median at the end of his post, but I did not read it (as I made the understandable assumption that people to do suddenly and abruptly change their topic in the middle of their posts) as such, so I posted the link to tell him that no, the mean center of population has not been in Indiana since 1950.
Gustaf wrote "centre of population" (sic).   The Census Bureau defines both a "mean center of population" and a "median center of population".

It is not clear which measure Gustaf was referring to, since it is not true that the center of population by either measure has always been in a state carried by the presidential winner.

Since the median center of population has indeed been in Indiana since 1950 (and also 1900 and 1910), then the clear implication is that thefactor was covering both cases, whichever Gustaf meant.


Right. In any case, it's still a pretty remarkable phenomenon. Since 1840, the state with the mean center of population has gone with the winner in all except for 1916, which was kind of a strange election because Wilson narrowly won on the basis of his incumbency, which he only had in the first place because of Roosevelt's ultra-successful third-party challenge in 1912... probably the most successful "third party" challenge since 1860, at least.

About the 1910-1930 loopback... the closing of the frontier, urbanization, and immigration all probably contributed. This was the period when northeastern cities were the most dominant in terms of their percentage of the national population.

Before 1930, there was clearly a gradual northward movement of population, again due to both immigration and internal migration, since the south had been devastated so much economically by the Civil War. The New Deal I think played a role in jumpstarting true industrialization in the south and since then the population center has been moving in that direction. That's a case where being in the electoral majority translated into clear economic gains for a region.
12219  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag Protection Amendment on: June 22, 2005, 02:21:28 pm

No one has yet explained how flag burning is protected under the First Amendment.  The only "actions" (since burning is an action) listed are the actions of petition and assembling peacefully.

Speaking is also an action

Which is directly addressed.  So is the Press.  Nothing is in there regarding "expression," which the majority of those who oppose the ban claim is implied.  Nothing within the first amendment covers flag burning.

Nor online message boards.

Exactly.  This could easily be closed down, unless you want to put up an argument that this falls under the "press" since the press is speech in written form.

So you think the government should be able to control what gets said through the online medium?
12220  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag Protection Amendment on: June 22, 2005, 02:19:09 pm

No one has yet explained how flag burning is protected under the First Amendment.  The only "actions" (since burning is an action) listed are the actions of petition and assembling peacefully.

Speaking is also an action

Which is directly addressed.  So is the Press.  Nothing is in there regarding "expression," which the majority of those who oppose the ban claim is implied.  Nothing within the first amendment covers flag burning.

Nor online message boards.
12221  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush flip-flops on private accounts on: June 22, 2005, 02:15:10 pm
I expect the GOP to lose seats in the House, and gain seats in the Senate, the latter being the branch of the legislature that matters.

Social Security is a much more sensitive issue than tax reform, the latter not even needing selling.

A majority of Republicans support Social Security reform. A majority of Democrats oppose it. Some people seem to have trouble reconciling their opinions with reality.

The Republicans seem a lot less united on major bills to reform of cut government spending than bills to increase it. Remember when House leaders lied to members, fabricated reports, bribed, blackmailed, and basically prostituted themselves freely in order to get the prescription medication bill passed? Not that I'm complaining, except for their hypocrisy, but they seem to be a lot less zealous now.
12222  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Flag Protection Amendment on: June 22, 2005, 02:12:04 pm

No one has yet explained how flag burning is protected under the First Amendment.  The only "actions" (since burning is an action) listed are the actions of petition and assembling peacefully.

Speaking is also an action
12223  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: World Leaders Survivor - Bracket 4 (Round 7) on: June 22, 2005, 02:09:47 pm
Uribe
12224  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush flip-flops on private accounts on: June 22, 2005, 02:05:10 pm
I highly doubt there will be much in the way of midterm defeats.  Congress will stay mostly unchanged because, yes, two party elections in fact are a thing of the past in most districts.

George Bush couldn't sell a band aid to a first aid kit.  That's why his social security plan has been beaten.  It certainly wasn'tthose wily Democrats and their naunced strategy of saying 'no' to everything.  For this reason, his tax reform plan will likewise fail.

Oh, and he can't manage congress.  They run free and have for five years.  Bush is the worst manager of congress since the late 19th Century.

Yes, he manages it very poorly since he apparently lost his veto pen.

No, it wasn't the Democrats that beat social security. It was the GOP itself-- their base has little interest in reducing government welfare programs, since it is now the party of big government.
12225  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bush flip-flops on private accounts on: June 22, 2005, 01:58:47 pm
A surrender is not a flip-flop. It's a loss. This isn't even that.

Bush needs to take what he can on Social Security, so he can move on to tax reform when his blue ribbon tax panel reports it recommendations in September.

Any plan that includes personal accounts will have to wait until 2007.

By 2007 his window will be gone because of midterm defeats, unless competitive two party elections have become a thing of the past.
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