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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Weiner pleads guilty on: May 19, 2017, 01:01:48 pm
ormer Rep. Anthony Weiner pleaded guilty on Friday morning to charges stemming from his sexually charged conversations with a 15-year-old, capping a long-running legal and political scandal whose impact was felt in Congress, New York City politics and the tumultuous 2016 presidential campaign.

At a court hearing in Lower Manhattan, Weiner admitted he knew the woman was underage, as part of a plea agreement that will require him to register as a sex offender. Prosecutors recommended a sentence between 21 months and 27 months as part of the agreement.


I think it's fair to say not many have hated Weiner on this forum more than me... ever since the day he lied about the Breitbart story about his initial tweets.

However, this last thing he did, which was the most consequential, was also the least bad. Unlike his unsolicited tweets, this was consensual. The girl did not want to press charges. So that makes him on the same level of Brigette Macron. Should Brigette Macron be locked up? No. Of course what he did was political malpractice, he should have known better, but on its own merits this is a little absurd. A guy who rapes children is a criminal and sex offender, and so is a guy who has consensual sexually charged conversations with a 15 year old? As if 15 year olds these days are innocent with no knowledge of sex. It is a patronizing and prudish attitude, IMO.
27  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Better American Ally: India or Pakistan? on: May 19, 2017, 12:24:14 pm
South India is traditionally the most progressive part of India. Bengal also had a very strong left. Northwest India is the most conservative. I believe it is due to the Middle Eastern influence spilling in from Pakistan and Afghanistan.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Rosenstein Papers on: May 19, 2017, 11:04:21 am
Rod Rosenstein is the only person who comes off as objective and level headed in this entire affair.
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Many Democrats still bitter towards Lieberman, won't support him for FBI Dir. on: May 19, 2017, 10:25:45 am
Tbf, Lieberman wasn't the 60th vote, he was the 59th vote. What was Ben Nelson's position on the public option?
30  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Lieberman emerges as frontrunner for FBI post on: May 19, 2017, 10:22:20 am
It's odd that most of the j'accuse of Lieberman is based on his perceived political apostasy. One would think the focus would be on the appearance of a conflict of interest vis a vis his law firm, and that he is a politician. I'm against those who are political being appointed either AG or FBI director. Both jobs should be strictly non-political, and those who serve in it being perceived as non political. But being a political apostate? What's that got to do with the price of potatoes?

There are certain litmus tests that you can't break, apparently.
31  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Why was Rhode Island so close? on: May 19, 2017, 10:16:10 am
Trump was the first Republican nominee since Ford or H.W Bush who was not a hard line Christian theocrat. This certainly helped in the Upper Midwest, West Coast, Northeast and especially New England, which have been disgusted by GOP social Conservatism.

This is not true.

Most socially liberal, well-educated areas trended Democratic.  Take a look at Massachusetts, the West Coast, the D.C. Metro, and numerous college towns.  Hillary also performed very well in traditionally Republican but socially moderate areas like suburban Chicago.

Trump meanwhile achieved record performance among white Evangelicals (never mind that Trump may not be sincerely religious himself).  He also overperformed among culturally conservative Democrats, which is why he turned so many rural counties Republican.

2016 clearly widened the urban-rural, social liberal-social conservative divide.  

Hillary Clinton, while not an economic progressive, personifies the concept of an "enemy of the church".  Christians recognized that Hillary's Justice Department would do everything it could to force churches to perform same-sex marriages and hire gays in ministry positions, regardless of what Scripture says.  Part of the WikiLeaks revelations included Podesta and Palmieri talking about a "Catholic Spring" where liberals would actually infiltrate the Catholic Church and seek to change its doctrines.  Her "deplorables" comment didn't help, either.  Trump is not my idea of a devout Christian, but he is willing to leave the Church alone and not force every secular doctrine on it.

New England as a whole has become the Solid Northeast because of the resistance to the Religious Right in the GOP.  Trump cooled this somewhat, but what made this worse for Democrats was the hostility Christians feel toward Hillary.  This is something Hillary brought on all by herself.

The ironic thing is Hillary was criticized from the left during the primaries of being insufficiently pro-gay, and not coming out for gay marriage until 2013.

Hillary's a middle class girl whose entire interest in politics 50 years ago started with her pastor, and has remained in the same denomination ever since that time. The religious right rejected her for a son of wealth and privilege who makes a mockery of Christian values, largely out of an obsession with abortion, a word that is not even mentioned in the Bible and even implicitly condoned, and is only mentioned in the apocrypha.
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roger Ailes dead at 76 on: May 19, 2017, 10:11:30 am
Bill O'Reilly writes in a USA Today Op-ed: YOU killed Roger Ailes

In a column in which he lauded Ailes for his many accomplishments in the TV industry, O’Reilly noted that the world is currently in a “rough age” in which technology is breeding bad behavior. “The downside of that is turning us into a nation where hatred is almost celebrated in some quarters,” he wrote. “Roger Ailes experienced that hatred and it killed him. That is the truth.”

Guys...I am so proud of you all....

Those that live by the sword
33  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden on Clinton: 'I never thought she was a great candidate' on: May 19, 2017, 09:57:03 am
LOL Joe. This will not help his chances in 2020 or his legacy. The fact is that Joe Biden was a worse candidate because he was a non-candidate. The candidate who doesn't run is always the worst possible candidate. A fat lot of good Joe's potential greatness as a candidate will do to a country that now lives with Trump.

The number of men from Obama to Biden to O'Malley all claiming they wouldda won shows the attitude of male entitlement. Do you hear Elizabeth Warren saying "I woulda beat Trump"? No. These men all think they are entitled to win. Ole' Joe was never supposed to be president. If Obama had wanted to pick a potential successor as VP in 2008, he would have picked someone younger. From the moment Biden was announced, there was the expectation he would never be higher than VP. If a woman in his position said something like this she would be universally vilified.
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Comey Memos: General thread - New NYT article on: May 18, 2017, 07:37:19 pm
Sam Nunberg, a former aide to Trump, told me the other day he thought Trump had mistakenly been under the impression Comey was his friend.

"I don’t understand why he would think that," he said. Makes his crossing the line frequently, as reported by NYT, all the more interesting.

It's classic Trump to be unable to believe he hasn't charmed someone. & when he feels he's charmed someone, he thinks he can do whatever.


35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Insurers/States say Trump is undermining Obamacare, pushing up rates. on: May 18, 2017, 07:30:42 pm
Heealth insurers across the country are making plans to dramatically raise Obamacare premiums or exit marketplaces amid growing exasperation with the Trump administration’s erratic management, inconsistent guidance and seeming lack of understanding of basic healthcare issues.

At the same time, state insurance regulators — both Democrat and Republican — have increasingly concluded they cannot count on the Trump administration to help them ensure that consumers will have access to a health plan next year.

36  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Why there are so few female customers of male sex workers? on: May 18, 2017, 06:01:00 pm
Traditionalists see women as a means to an end, they just add that for men, the sex they are owed should come from a virginal, 'chaste' woman, and the ends are having children as much as, or more than, the sex itself.

Thank you for telling me what my parents believe(d).

It wasn't aimed at your parents.
37  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Why there are so few female customers of male sex workers? on: May 18, 2017, 05:49:40 pm
Traditionalists see women as a means to an end, they just add that for men, the sex they are owed should come from a virginal, 'chaste' woman, and the ends are having children as much as, or more than, the sex itself.
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should we really be ruling out a Hillary 2020 run? on: May 18, 2017, 05:41:34 pm
Yeah, she's only polling at 10% in the polls now, versus 70% in the run up to 2016. So her political position isn't as strong as in 2016. Remember, a lot of the support for her in 2016 was due to her nearly winning the nomination in 2008 and being a good team player. The Democratic party owed her a debt, and that debt was repaid. It doesn't owe her any further debt now.
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Please avoid making threats or wishing for violent crimes against any individual on: May 18, 2017, 05:33:43 pm
It's not about civility for the sake of civility. It's about the notion that the world would be a better place if someone died. That's all well and good unless you are that person. I will admit I've struggled with this, especially with Trump. It just doesn't feel right. I'm... dare I use the phrase... pro-life? I want my political enemies defeated, not dead. We're not in a civil war... yet.
40  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Democrats who support the electoral college on: May 18, 2017, 05:26:53 pm
By that standard, Floridians are at the mercy of Miami. Miami has about 6 million people and that means that metro alone can outweigh Collier Marion Osceola Lake Escambia St. Lucie Leon Alachua St. Johns Clay Okaloosa Bay Hernando Charlotte Santa Rosa Martin Indian River, Citrus and Sumter counties combined. The rest of Florida might as well not even vote and just like Miami decide!
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: local DC news reporting Seth Rich was in contact with wikileaks, family confirms on: May 18, 2017, 04:42:14 pm
This is a really tough case. On the one hand, Fox News is supposed to be a legitimate news source, not even shady like WND. On the other hand, if this Rich person is getting accused of leaking and isn't, it's further stomping on the memory of an innocent guy who was murdered. He's a white guy from Nebraska, how many white guys from Nebraska do you hear working for the DNC, working for Hillary... his sense of compassion and commitment to social justice must have been monumental and awe inspiring. And then he is murdered at such a young age. To stomp on and spit of the memory of such a man is despicable. Not to mention further tormenting his family. I thought Alt-Righters were against fake news? Fox News should not be reporting this stuff if it's not true.
42  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should we really be ruling out a Hillary 2020 run? on: May 18, 2017, 04:37:26 pm
I hate to break it to you Timmy, but the online sexists won, and decency lost, as the former had the patriarchy behind them.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Most corrupt Democrat President? on: May 18, 2017, 03:41:55 pm
The guy whose political career was built on a "found" box of 200 votes listed in alphabetical order.
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why ethnic minority voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders? on: May 18, 2017, 03:31:21 pm
What a lot of people don't realize is that being born with darker skin doesn't automatically make you a liberal. There are a lot of moderate and conservative ethnic minorities who are only in the Democratic party because the other party is seen as a white ethnonationalist party. If that wasn't the case, the GOP would win every election in a landslide. These folks are "on the plantation", so to speak, but the problem is that when it comes to a primary, they won't necessarily have any investment in a leftist challenger.
45  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Democrats who support the electoral college on: May 18, 2017, 02:21:06 pm
@Beet -

Your point about upstate NY and downstate IL is well taken, which is why my more nuanced opinion is that we should adopt universal Mainebraska and redistricting reform.

Mainebraska unfortunately suffers from the same problem, only on a smaller scale. For any district that encompasses both urban and rural areas, the rural areas would be irrelevant if they are smaller than the urban areas. It does reduce the scale of the problem, but it doesn't eliminate it as a straight-up PV would.

However, your notion that western Nebraska is irrelevant is completely off base. Yes, no one has to campaign in Hastings or Scottsbluff. But that's because they, when couple with WY, MT, ID, ND, SD, KS &c &c form a very big part of the electoral vote base for any GOP candidate. An entire political party's realm of the possible is formed based on Plains and Southern opinion, much as any Democratic candidate might as well write their concession speech if they go outside of what's acceptable in NYC or CA.

That assumes that a place like western Nebraska (or more broadly, the rural Midwest) is only significant as a part of the 'Republican coalition.'  But if that were the case, why does it need special representation as a place? The same would be true under the national popular vote. What the electoral college removes that the national popular vote would respect is western Nebraska's interests as western Nebraska. In other words, any factor that distinguishes this place, in particular, from all other places. Does it have a particular export? Is it home to a particular company? It is these concerns that are erased. Sure, the place is significant as part of a party coalition, but this only matters as far as the balance between the parties. It's as if saying the only thing worth representing about western Nebraska is it's Republicanism. If that were the case, the same result could be achieved by giving the GOP an automatic bonus in the EC.

Likewise, I'm not willing to consign the political influence of VT, ME, NH, MT &c &c's role in the Presidential selection process because small states tend to vote against my party.

To be clear, I opposed the EC when the Democrats were advantaged by it in 2008 and 2012. This is not about party, but the principle of democracy, and equal representation. My point is that VT and MT are on the losing side of the EC, while ME and NH are on the winning side. VT is on the same side as NY. The divide the EC creates is not between urban and rural areas, but between swing states and non-swing states.
46  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Massachusetts or Maryland? on: May 18, 2017, 12:47:58 pm
I suppose I should pick the state where I grew up, but Massachusetts really is nicer, other than the weather, it has a more storied intellectual history. People like Thoreau are from there.
47  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Should we really be rolling out a Hillary 2020 run? on: May 18, 2017, 11:53:37 am
Yes. I was one of her strongest supporters, and I would not support her. She would have no chance, with many new candidates, and there is no way the party would unite behind her, and with her being such a bad candidate.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roger Ailes dead at 76 on: May 18, 2017, 08:27:45 am
RIP. I won't cheer anyone's death. Especially when they are already retired.
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump reportedly told James Comey to consider jailing reporters on: May 17, 2017, 04:00:22 pm
Trump wasn't talking about Hannity and O'Reilly, and even if he was, they still wouldn't deserve prosecution if they hadn't violated the law. We should uphold the rule of law.

Trump's problem isn't what he said to Comey. Trump's problem is himself. He has no conception of prudence, ethics, or the respect for the truth. He has no conception of the notion that he can't just call up the FBI director and suggest the latter to go after his enemies and go light on his friends. Even if the Comey stuff went away tomorrow this character flaw of his would still be there.
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: Democrats who support the electoral college on: May 17, 2017, 02:53:41 pm

Rural areas and small states have always been protected in our system, and it's broadly consistent with the aim of protecting (political and numerical) minorities that have been with us since the founding of tne country. You might as well allocate Senate seats based on population as eliminate the EC.

As I said in the other thread, the electoral college does not protect rural areas. Most rural areas, such as upstate New York, downstate Illinois, or Oklahoma, it renders even more irrelevant.

Nor does the electoral college protect political or numerical minorities -- the filibuster does. The electoral college does not.

The Senate would be nicer if it was allocated based on population.
Upstate NY and Downstate IL, are the exceptions not the rule.

Sure, they are the rule. Do you want me to come up with more examples? The Texas panhandle. Western Massachusetts. Alaska. Western Nebraska. Eastern Washington.

Don't know how Oklahoma is rendered "irrelevant" considering it's almost completely rural and their vote reflects that.

Because, the electoral college means the state doesn't matter for presidential elections, whereas otherwise it would.

States which are mostly rural typically vote accordingly. IL and NY aren't mostly rural states, they are mostly urban.

That depends on your definitions, but what does that have to do with my point? The electoral college doesn't help rural areas.

Sorta confused about why you think the filibuster is the only thing we should have to protect political minorities? The filibuster is incredibly weak and has already been highly eroded. There needs to be protections for the minorities in all branches of government. The amount of times the PV winner =/= EV winner is already negligible. Usually when the PV winner loses the EV it's evidence of a regional party.

I didn't say the filibuster is the only thing we should have, but the filibuster is something that protects political minorities, whereas the EC doesn't. The political minority that loses the EC or the PV gets no protection from the EC after it has voted. The presidency is unitary, so it's not a good vehicle to protect political minorities to begin with.

Also lol at your opinion on the Senate. Might as well abolish the Senate at that point lol.

You're the one who brought up the Senate. FTR, a unicameral legislature would be nice.
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