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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders v Trump on: March 25, 2016, 09:58:22 am
Sanders, but by less than Clinton. A lot of his support is "soft", due to lack of Republican attacks. We have no idea how he'd do in a competitive election against a Republican because he's never had to face one - ever.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / When Hillary Cinton was the "nutty left" anti-DLC insurgent on: March 24, 2016, 11:14:45 pm
http://spectator.org/articles/64729/lady-macbeth-little-rock

Some gems:

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But the poll was small potatoes compared to the strategic coup that Hillary and her allies pulled off in blocking the move of Clinton’s campaign headquarters from Little Rock to Washington, a move many considered inevitable after Clinton’s victory in the New York primary. In Little Rock, lines of authority are fuzzy, and Hillary’s temple dogs roam free. By keeping the campaign in Little Rock, they simultaneously froze out ideological adversaries linked to the centrist, Washington-based Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and a group of seasoned national campaign professionals. “Hillary’s probably the only person in this campaign who wanted it to be in Little Rock. The DLC crowd and the centrists — all of Washington — have basically been left high and dry,” says a campaign source.

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Centrist Democrats fear that internal advocates of a 34-percent strategy (placate the liberal base, concede the center) have found a powerful and untouchable champion in Hillary, guaranteeing continuing wrangling in the campaign. “There is a general notion below the surface of a 34-percent strategy, meaning go to the left and energize the base to win this thing, versus 51 percent,” says an insider “There was always a marriage of expedience and principle in the DLC world: You had to get back the Reagan Democrats by going to the center. But the expedience and principle have been decoupled, because now the expedient may be to go for 34 percent.”...How could the party’s moderate wing have signed on with such enthusiasm to a campaign that is penetrated at high levels by the nutty left? “We didn’t know Hillary at all,” confesses a Clinton adviser.

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While Bill Clinton maintains he supported the decision to move militarily in the Gulf, I’m not so sure about Hillary. Mary Steenburgen recalls a conversation in which she along with Hillary and another friend discussed their “feelings” about the prospect of U.S.involvement in the war. “Both of them had felt like [Saddam] was a really frightening person that was potentially very dangerous to people, yet we all talked about our feelings that war was not the way to solve everything,” she says. Potentiallyvery dangerous? The guy had gassed Kurdish villages and conquered a neighbor by this time.)

The article plays every Hillary trope in the book, complete with calls to "repudiate", "distance herself" and "repent" from the heretic positions described above.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction to this? on: March 24, 2016, 09:21:34 pm
Relief that decency has won out, and entitlement has lost out. Confidence in the November election.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Bloomberg/Selzer national: Bernie leads Hillary 49-48 on: March 24, 2016, 09:20:26 am
You can thank the DNC for pushing the primaries so late this year, or Bernie would have been done weeks ago.

#RiggedForBernie
#FireDWS

EDIT: Anyway, a subsample of 311 voters.
80  General Politics / Individual Politics / Hillary Clinton has now received more votes for president than Harry Truman on: March 23, 2016, 09:38:22 pm
If you combine her votes from the 2008 primary plus 2016 up to now. Tongue
Of course it means nothing, especially given population changes, etc. But it's an interesting factoid.
Truman 1948 Primary + General + 1952 NH Primary : 1,375,452 + 24,179,347 + 15,927 = 25,550,726
Hillary 2008 + 2016 (so far) : 18,055,516+8,746,044 = 26,801,560
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How do you explain the betting market's high odds Trump has of winning the G.E.? on: March 23, 2016, 07:09:26 pm
38% isn't high. A major party nominee has a significant chance to win, regardless of what things look like at a given point in time.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Whitehouse.gov receiving petition to redo Arizona vote. on: March 23, 2016, 07:06:51 pm
Are there people who actually think that there will actually be a redo? That would cost far too much money and time.

It also would require invalidating the votes of people who voted already. If for whatever reason they aren't around for round 2, then effectively disenfranchised.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Whitehouse.gov receiving petition to redo Arizona vote. on: March 23, 2016, 06:21:14 pm
Caucuses are inherently voter suppression. Last night, 58,000 Bernie supporters in two tiny blood red states cancelled out Hillary's 300,000 voters in two big, diverse battleground states of North Carolina and Ohio. Why isn't that being challenged as undemocratic?
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Utah and Idaho on: March 23, 2016, 11:33:36 am
HS.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread on: March 23, 2016, 07:38:20 am
The error in the Dan Jones poll in ID (Sanders +2 vs Sanders +57) is almost as large as the Mason-Dixon poll (Clinton +34 vs Sanders +23) in MN. How are they even getting these 50+ point polling errors?

crap like this SHOULD be the nail in the coffin for these garbage pollsters, but alas they'll still putting out garbage in the future,

To be fair, Dan Jones is the only Utah-based pollster, so they're not going to go out of business anytime soon.

Probably because they're polling it as if it's a primary. In 2008, Hillary got 39% in the Utah primary. She also got 38% in the Idaho primary, while getting 17% in the caucus. Hence in retrospect you could have seen these states as very similar even then. For all the complaints about voting in Arizona, Utah switching to a caucus massively helped Bernie. These caucuses are basically just like giant rallies where you go with your friends. Overwhelming peer pressure.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread on: March 22, 2016, 03:24:25 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/overselling-the-importance-of-independent-voters/2012/11/19/1c04b598-3294-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_blog.html
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: NC-PPP: Close race with Trump and Cruz, Clinton trails Kasich on: March 22, 2016, 03:19:34 pm
Don't see the argument that Sanders isn't a stronger general election candidate. All it comes down to is he won't survive the Republican attack machine. If he's so fragile, why has he survived Hillary's attack machine? She has made the case he's unelectable and aggressively gone after him yet he still boasts higher favorables and better general election numbers.

Clinton can't attack him from the right effectively, since she needs left-of-center voters in the primaries. She's been attacking him from the left instead (guns, immigration, etc.) Obviously it's much more difficult to do that, than to paint Sanders as too pro-big government/will raise taxes for average Americans.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Hillary Clinton win Utah in the general election? on: March 22, 2016, 02:13:42 pm
Neither Hillary nor Bernie will win Utah.

The Republicans would sure love us to throw GE resources into here, though.
89  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread on: March 22, 2016, 02:11:58 pm
If "independents" decided elections president Romney's re-election campaign would be heating up.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Bernie wins nomination, AND presidency, AND gets all his ideas passed... on: March 22, 2016, 02:08:43 pm
While some on here may scoff, a Bernie presidency is looking more and more likely. Bernie's gaining on Hillary in the nationwide polls and it's gonna be mostly Dem states from here on in. Furthermore, Reuters among others suggest that he would beat Trump in a hypothetical general by a much larger margin than Hillary would and I think that's impacting on primary voters.

If spring polls were anything to go by, Bush would have won 2000 by 15 points, Ronald Reagan would have lost, etc. It's true Bernie would do better if the election were held today, but largely because no one has been attacking Bernie from the GOP side. He's untested. Karl Rove has been running Super PAC ads in his favor.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread on: March 22, 2016, 01:58:50 pm
If you vote for Sanders you support Sanders, but okay.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: HULK HOGAN POUNDS GAWKER on: March 22, 2016, 12:50:31 pm
Damn. I like gawker. This penalty is absurd for a company of that size. Hopefully they can survive and win on appeal.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Your reaction if the election is tied? on: March 22, 2016, 11:47:15 am
Trade Wisconsin for Arizona and you have a Hillary victory. Trade Wisconsin and New Hampshire for Arizona and you have Trump.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton on: March 22, 2016, 09:10:31 am
Trump may be a terrible person, but at least he has exposed (a) the concerns of a segment of the white working class base of the GOP, and (b) the GOP establishment's disdain for a huge segment of their own voters.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton on: March 22, 2016, 09:05:34 am
If Hillary is elected, the reasonable people against her will likely be pleasantly surprised.

If Sanders is elected, the people for him will likely be sorely disappointed.

I'd be shocked if we got "surprised". She won't do anything about wall street and corruption in politics so I doubt Sanders supporters would feel "pleasant"

Well, you aren't expecting her to do anything about it. But if Citizens United and McCutcheon v. FEC are overturned and Super PACs are banned, you'll see we're making progress on something you didn't expect to make progress on, under Clinton.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton on: March 22, 2016, 08:52:37 am
If Hillary is elected, the reasonable people against her will likely be pleasantly surprised.

If Sanders is elected, the people for him will likely be sorely disappointed.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Predicts - March 22 Contests on: March 22, 2016, 08:03:58 am
GOP:

American Samoa: ?
Arizona: Trump 40, Cruz 29, Rubio 16, Other 14
Utah: Cruz 65, Kasich 20, Trump 15

Dem:

Arizona: Clinton 50, Sanders 48
Utah: Sanders 70, Clinton 26
Idaho: Sanders 75, Clinton 22
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is less neocon'ish on foreign policy? TRUMP or Hillary? on: March 21, 2016, 08:30:21 pm
Hawkishness does not equal neocon, unless Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Harry Truman were neocons.

Hillary made a reasonable call in Libya -- a humanitarian intervention that prevented thousands of people from being slaughtered in Benghazi. There are certainly many, many people who are alive today who would be dead if not for the intervention. And the fact remains that Libya is in far better shape than Syria, where the United States held itself off at a distance. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant_in_Libya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is a more lackluster candidate? on: March 21, 2016, 08:09:48 pm
Hillary's beating a guy who's raising $43 million a month and draws rallies of 30,000. What are the comparable numbers for Bill Bradley/ Dubya circa 2000?
100  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who is less neocon'ish on foreign policy? TRUMP or Hillary? on: March 21, 2016, 08:02:45 pm
Hawkishness does not equal neocon, unless Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Harry Truman were neocons.

Hillary made a reasonable call in Libya -- a humanitarian intervention that prevented thousands of people from being slaughtered in Benghazi. There are certainly many, many people who are alive today who would be dead if not for the intervention. And the fact remains that Libya is in far better shape than Syria, where the United States held itself off at a distance. 
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