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76  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For how long should the people who took down Flynn be jailed? on: February 16, 2017, 12:47:07 am
They are heroes to the American people. These heroes should be awarded the Congressional medal of freedom! And they will one day, when they are vindicated by history and can come out like Deep Throat.

-The people who leaked to the courts what portions of the Nixon tapes they should subpoena never came out.

In any case, what's heroic about the Deep State acting as an arm of a political party?

- Flynn is a Democrat.

- There is nothing heroic about the Deep State acting partisan.

- It is heroic for anyone to expose criminal government lies that compromise national security. Are you saying Flynn never talked sanctions in his call with the Russian ambassador?

-What was criminal or compromising of national security about Flynn's lies to Pence? Yes; this is the Deep State acting partisan.

If they wanted to be partisan, the stuff (golden showers, connections, investigations, etc.) would have come out pre-election. As it is, they are helping Trump rid his administration of untrustworthies.

The Russians knew Flynn lied to Pence. Hence they could blackmail him any time with info that would have cost him his job. He is supposed to be the US national security adviser. Not owned by Russia.

-You're pretending Trump can be blackmailed. He can't be, and that info isn't at all blackmail material. Flynn has some conflicts of interest, but there's no evidence he's "owned by Russia".

If they can blackmail him out of his job, they effectively own him. And that was the case.

Of course Trump can be blackmailed. He has many, many secrets.
77  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For how long should the people who took down Flynn be jailed? on: February 16, 2017, 12:28:21 am
They are heroes to the American people. These heroes should be awarded the Congressional medal of freedom! And they will one day, when they are vindicated by history and can come out like Deep Throat.

-The people who leaked to the courts what portions of the Nixon tapes they should subpoena never came out.

In any case, what's heroic about the Deep State acting as an arm of a political party?

- Flynn is a Democrat.

- There is nothing heroic about the Deep State acting partisan.

- It is heroic for anyone to expose criminal government lies that compromise national security. Are you saying Flynn never talked sanctions in his call with the Russian ambassador?

-What was criminal or compromising of national security about Flynn's lies to Pence? Yes; this is the Deep State acting partisan.

If they wanted to be partisan, the stuff (golden showers, connections, investigations, etc.) would have come out pre-election. As it is, they are helping Trump rid his administration of untrustworthies.

The Russians knew Flynn lied to Pence. Hence they could blackmail him any time with info that would have cost him his job. He is supposed to be the US national security adviser. Not owned by Russia.
78  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For how long should the people who took down Flynn be jailed? on: February 16, 2017, 12:17:57 am
They are heroes to the American people. These heroes should be awarded the Congressional medal of freedom! And they will one day, when they are vindicated by history and can come out like Deep Throat.

-The people who leaked to the courts what portions of the Nixon tapes they should subpoena never came out.

In any case, what's heroic about the Deep State acting as an arm of a political party?

- Flynn is a Democrat.

- There is nothing heroic about the Deep State acting partisan.

- It is heroic for anyone to expose criminal government lies that compromise national security. Are you saying Flynn never talked sanctions in his call with the Russian ambassador?
79  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: For how long should the people who took down Flynn be jailed? on: February 15, 2017, 11:39:55 pm
They are heroes to the American people. These heroes should be awarded the Congressional medal of freedom! And they will one day, when they are vindicated by history and can come out like Deep Throat.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Grassley: The US shouldn't blame Russia for meddling cause of... Italy 1948 on: February 15, 2017, 11:08:52 pm
Grassley is correct. In both cases it was the right-wing sabotaging an election against the left-wing. So the real guilty party is... right-wingers?
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: POLITICO/Morning Consult: Trump+6 against Warren on: February 15, 2017, 04:50:22 pm
Baggage doesn't matter. What matters is whether people perceive the candidate to be on their side and looking out for their interests. Trump's legion of fiascos didn't touch him while Hillary's nothingburgers destroyed her because he was perceived as supporting the interests of a significant segment of swing voters while Hillary wasn't. That's why I still feel Warren is the best one out of these.

Warren's Indian heritage crap makes it seem like she is a opportunist liar. And that is how she will perceived when she is relentlessly attacked over it.

No. This is like Benghazi except without the e-mails and without anyone getting hurt, in other words a faux controversy. A lot of white people don't perceive affirmative action as being fair will secretly not mind her taking advantage of an absurd system, and a lot of white people also think they have Native American heritage themselves. The right attacks her over this because they have nothing real to go against her with. That this is their biggest attack line is telling.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: POLITICO/Morning Consult: Trump+6 against Warren on: February 15, 2017, 04:36:23 pm
Baggage doesn't matter. What matters is whether people perceive the candidate to be on their side and looking out for their interests. Trump's legion of fiascos didn't touch him while Hillary's nothingburgers destroyed her because he was perceived as supporting the interests of a significant segment of swing voters while Hillary wasn't. That's why I still feel Warren is the best one out of these.
83  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Tom Perriello to run for Va. governor: report on: February 15, 2017, 02:07:28 pm
Well, I guess I have to switch my support to Northam now.
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: TN Considering bill giving immunity to anyone who hits protesters with a car on: February 15, 2017, 01:53:45 pm
Probably not a good idea to pass this law, but why anyone thinks blocking traffic is a good way to protest is beyond me. I remember seeing pictures of some BLM protestors on a bridge in MN in 2016 and thought, "they probably aren't getting too much sympathy for their cause."
85  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: Michael Flynn resigns on: February 15, 2017, 01:08:20 pm
We have a national security adviser who lied to the Vice President, the president's chief of staff, the assistant to the president and the press secretary, who then repeated those lies to the public, on a matter of national security. We have a president who knew about it for weeks and did nothing. If Hillary Clinton was that president, would Trump supporters have continued to insist it didn't reflect on her character? The only reason we even know about this now is that Jeff Sessions was not yet AG and the Justice Department didn't try to hide the fact that it had proof contradicting the administration's public statements.
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: States that voted for the same party every election since you were born on: February 15, 2017, 10:52:33 am


This.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: POLITICO/Morning Consult: Trump+6 against Warren on: February 15, 2017, 10:38:35 am
The "Turn Liz Warren into a Feminist Icon #ShePersisted" playbook is a smart one.
2016 made it clear that Americans reject SJW identity politics


No, there's no evidence that "SJW identity politics" had any impact whatsoever.

No but its clear by now it only appeals to a small minority of hardcore Dems who get super self righteous about it. Like the religious right of our party. These people need to be expunged.
88  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: What was your favorite video game to play as a kid on: February 15, 2017, 10:31:50 am
All games - capture the flag.

PC games - Civilization.

Video games - none.
89  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Possible All-Time Worst Political Cartoon? on: February 15, 2017, 12:53:19 am
-There are legitimately beautiful Black women and legitimately ugly White ones. Neither Melania nor Michelle fit in either of those categories.

There are? I learn something every day, dude.
90  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your accent? on: February 14, 2017, 09:20:58 pm
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Donald Trumpís Dodd-Frank Dismantling Begins With Energy Disclosure Rule on: February 14, 2017, 08:29:42 pm
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U.S. President Donald Trump signed into law on Tuesday legislation that repeals a securities disclosure rule aimed at curbing corruption at energy and mining companies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-energy-bill_us_58a36487e4b03df370daf959
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Russia Violates Arms Treaty on: February 14, 2017, 06:16:49 pm
As a dovish Democrat who favors good relations between all the major world powers, including Russia, I favor arms treaties and disfavor arms build ups. That's the real reason why this news is bad.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Next DNC Chair: Keith Ellison, Pete Buttigieg, Tom Perez big names in race on: February 14, 2017, 05:18:02 pm
If Perez wins I'm seriously worried about a 1983-style split which gave Thatcher a landslide re-election despite losing the popular vote. Some of these people already left the party or were talking about leaving even before this.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What truly doomed Hillary? on: February 14, 2017, 03:49:34 pm
the tragedy of 2016 is that the evil anti-republican MSM killed hillary and the republicans are never going to forgive them.

a big THANK YOU would be the nice thing to do.
A very astute analysis.

Journalism is the kind of field that attracts liberals.  That journalism has a liberal bias isn't something I view as horrible; it's a matter-of-fact reality due to what journalism is.

This past year, however, journalists ramped up their liberal biases to the point where it damaged their credibility.  They came off as in the tank for Hillary, whether they meant to be or not.  CNN, in particular, destroyed its credibility; it was once one of the more objective news outlets, but they're now on a par with MSNBC and FOX News for objectivity.  USA Today railing against Trump in a front page editorial.  It all became a "doth protest too much".  The American media's loss of credibility was a real factor in Trump's election

The corporate media certainly didn't have a liberal bias, seeing as they didn't give Bernie much coverage. The corporate media was pretty clearly 3rd way for the most part.

The corporate media painted a target on its back by seeming pro-Hillary in the GE all the while filling people's heads with nothing but Clinton's EMAILS and broadcasting Trump's campaign rallies as free advertising for him. All in all, the worst possible combination if you're Hillary.

But yeah they didn't give Bernie much coverage either.
95  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The last movie you've seen thread 2016 on: February 14, 2017, 03:36:44 pm
Munich (2005). Originally I thought it was a pro-Operation Wrath of God movie, now I realize it's anti-Operation Wrath of God. However they did omit the Lillehammer affair, as it probably would have made the protagonists too unsympathetic.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Why did Genesee County (Flint), MI swing so strongly Republican? on: February 14, 2017, 03:32:41 pm
I would have thought Flint swinging strongly Republican in an election such as this would be expected. It's a beaten-down industrial area. I wouldn't be surprised if the city of Flint swung Republican, either.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want men to approve all abortions on: February 14, 2017, 09:03:32 am
How about this: I will become pro-life the day Republicans pass the Equal Rights Amendment. It will never happen.

So you believe that abortion is murder?  If so, there is no excuse for wanting to keep it legal.

Lol, no.

Then you would never be pro-life, even if Republicans did pass the ERA.

It is true I will never be "pro life", because the Republicans will never pass it.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want men to approve all abortions on: February 13, 2017, 10:06:59 pm
How about this: I will become pro-life the day Republicans pass the Equal Rights Amendment. It will never happen.

So you believe that abortion is murder?  If so, there is no excuse for wanting to keep it legal.

Lol, no.
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want men to approve all abortions on: February 13, 2017, 09:43:25 pm
How about this: I will become pro-life the day Republicans pass the Equal Rights Amendment. It will never happen.
100  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Farewell on: February 13, 2017, 08:03:33 pm
Is it too much to ask for, for people not to call Stalin humane? I tried to be as charitable to the dude as humanly possible, but one thing he wasn't was humane. He was one of the least humane totalitarians in human history. How would we expect someone with relatives who died in the Holocaust to react of calling Hitler humane was considered acceptable?
I personally have relatives who were killed in the Holocaust and absolutely didn't agree with Santander's comments, obviously. Still no reason to tell someone to kill themselves. And it is not only Santander who read that comment. The entire forum could read it. I know there are people here who have attempted suicide. I want them to be safe. Death wishes shouldn't be acceptable on this forum. And ag is a moderator! If he thought Santander's comments were against the TOS he should have reported them.

So, he lost his temper. We all lose our tempers from time to time. It proves he's a human being. And while his comment was inappropriate, so was Santander's. Ironically, had he not reacted as he did, I would not have noticed it, but now that I have, it's very clear.
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