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76  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Is Donald Trump a fraud? on: May 23, 2016, 04:34:22 pm
This thread represents yet another version of Trump Deniers.  They never stop.  First he wasn't serious, then he couldn't get nominated, now, he's a "Fraud".  Perhaps if they work hard enough, they'll link Trump to Iran-Contra.

Trump is who he is.  He's a billionaire businessman, and his businesses are well-known to the general public.  Whether or not someone views what Trump does as adequate preparation for the Presidency is another question, but Trump has more executive experience at the highest levels of business than anyone else running, and that's always considered valid experience.  How many Democrats who lambaste Trump for being "unqualified" were around in the 1980s hoping that Lee Iacocca would be the Democratic Presidential nominee in 1984?

Being less than a year old in 1984, I didn't know who Lee Iacocca is, let alone was hoping he'd run. Sure, business moguls have run countries before (Silvio Berlusconi, Petro Poroshenko) but what is the record?
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: A possible map. on: May 19, 2016, 10:45:57 am
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WaPo: Trump's Appeal Stretches To Suburbs That Had Been Trending Blue on: May 19, 2016, 10:45:05 am
Yeah, pretty much the only impact the president has on social issues is the Supreme Court. And even though that's brought up every cycle, in this cycle it actually is guaranteed to make a difference. You could have a non-social conservative doing more for social conservatives, than actual social conservatives have done for themselves in 20 years.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Now that Trump has unified his party, he's surging on: May 19, 2016, 09:42:29 am
Even if you are right, anger isn't going to do anything productive. These people don't like Clinton because she has failed to make the case for them. Right now all she can do is try to make the case to the majority of voters in the upcoming contests, just like she has all year, and then if she has a popular vote/pledged delegate majority, argue that that means she should be the nominee. After that point she can turn her full attention to arguing she'd make a better president than Trump. Any anger on top of that accomplishes nothing, and just looks entitled. Personally I know I would not like to be shamed into voting for anyone or policing my tone, and it wouldn't work.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Now that Trump has unified his party, he's surging on: May 19, 2016, 09:29:04 am
"Unified his party".  To be clear, almost every general election poll has Clinton getting at least a slightly larger share of Democrats than Trump gets of Republicans.  But Trump is also competitive with, if not winning, Independents, which is why he's competitive overall.  Of course, it's still really early.

I think independents are swayed by the fact that they see one side speaking with a united voice, and the other side speaking with a divided voice (half of which the content of what they're saying validates the other side, particularly in matchups involving Clinton). In any conflict, this will make the united side seem more credible. It is true that there are still some Republican holdouts like Romney, but the party as a whole is far more united than before, and this has coincided with the Trump surge in the polls. Nothing much else has changed.

To be clear, I'm probably one of the only Clinton supporters who's not angry at Sanders even if he is hurting Clinton in the GE polls. He's entitled to do as he likes, and he doesn't owe Clinton anything.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump accuses Bill Clinton of rape; Juanita Broaddrick may make re-appearance. on: May 19, 2016, 09:24:11 am
Anyone who commits rape should be arrested, tried and convicted in a court of law... unfortunately, that includes the ex-President. We live in a civilized country, and no one should be above the law. And as a feminist supporter, it doesn't necessarily bother me that Bill's (or any accused's) reputation is perhaps irreparably damaged by this, since whether or not the damage to him is justified depends on facts we don't know.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Now that Trump has unified his party, he's surging on: May 19, 2016, 09:14:01 am
I expect some pretty ugly GE polls so long as the Democratic nomination is not decided one way or another. Right now it's a single-sided war, and only one side is really shooting with full force. Democrats need to prepare to take fire until July 25 - 28 while we get our business sorted out. Meanwhile, Trump should aim to put both Democrats in such a bad position by late July that they have a steep uphill climb going into the fall - similar to the one Humphrey had in 1968, that he was unable to recover from. That will be a tougher job for him since the conventions this year are a month earlier than usual.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: NJ-Quinnipiac: Clinton 54% Sanders 40% on: May 19, 2016, 08:04:43 am
Wow. If Sanders somehow wins New Jersey this election will be a mess.
84  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nate Silver eats crow on: May 18, 2016, 08:50:25 pm
The problem with endorsement points is twofold. One, their value seems to be justified primarily in the last three or four elections. No academic will tell you that a valid sample size can be three or four, or even seventeen, as Silver himself acknowledges.

Secondly, what is the theoretical mechanism of transmission? In the Washington caucus, Hillary had the endorsement of both party Senators, the Governor, the mayor of Seattle, and dozens of state legislators. If these people had some magical powers of mind control, it wouldn't have been a 48 point loss. In 2008, Obama lost Massachusetts by 16 points even though both Kerry and the Kennedy family rallied around him. So if endorsements don't work at the state level, why would it work at the national level? It's not explained now it's supposed to work.
85  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary Clinton’s viral nightmare: A video of her ‘lying for 13 minutes’ on: May 18, 2016, 08:43:31 pm
Because Trump has been consistent? Hillary has been active in public life for nearly half a century, and she's been one of the most scrutinized figures in recent history. Her "take" on issues as broad as "health care" and "Wall Street" is going to vary based on context.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How can Trump reach out to the black community? on: May 13, 2016, 03:29:20 pm
Trump / the Sleepy Doctor '16.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton supporters, are you scared that Hillary will blow it? on: May 13, 2016, 03:28:12 pm
If I say yes, will I get relentlessly castigated for it?

Of course. That being said, I don't think the GE begins until the Democratic nomination is decided. There are still two candidates who claim they can win the nomination. One step at a time.
88  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Reminder: Clinton polled far better than Obama at this point in 2008 on: May 13, 2016, 09:03:07 am
Unfortunately Sanders doesn't appear to have much of a chance of getting this fact across to people in time. So it's all moot.

He's planning on knocking on over 1 million doors in California, so I'm sure he'll "get the message out". Whether the "message" is true or not.

Anyway, neither candidate was doing as well against McCain as Obama would ultimately do. The fact that there was a primary going but none on the GOP side meant the Democratic supporters weren't consolidated and didn't have a unified message. Same as this year.
89  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: George Zimmerman auctioning off gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin on: May 12, 2016, 07:23:58 pm
He's sick.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: ABC: Emails from Clinton's IT Director at State Department Appear To Be Missing on: May 12, 2016, 07:18:47 pm
If any of us were Secretary of State, we'd be treated the same as Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice.
91  General Politics / Political Debate / MOVED: Who would you vote for?(UK General Election 2025) on: April 28, 2016, 07:35:58 am
This topic has been moved to Individual Politics.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=235480.0
92  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Do you support public space exploration? on: March 29, 2016, 02:13:19 pm
Certainly. And I applaud the incredible achievements of Elon Musk.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders campaign: Clinton won only states where we didn't compete on: March 28, 2016, 04:43:27 pm
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but her being a woman is still an important plus.
Of course, it is. I am just arguing that it is not the most important issue.
I do think that some people are making much more important than it is and
are not aware of how different Sanders and Clinton are on many issues.

Again, no one thinks it's the most important issue. Their Senate voting records are identical 93 percent of the time-- and that includes votes where her position is further to the left than his, such as on gun control and immigration.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders campaign: Clinton won only states where we didn't compete on: March 28, 2016, 03:57:21 pm
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Of course her gender is an issue, it's a part of who she is. If sexism weren't an issue, she wouldn't be running as the first female president in a country where women are half the population. We'd have women as well represented as men in the top echelons of the party/movement. We just disagree on this.
Actually, I totally believe that we should have a woman president and that it would be a good thing, in fact, that would be one good thing about voting for her; but that is obviously not my point. What she and Albright have specifically said on the issue, and that people are ignoring the huge differences between the two candidates is what bothers me. Would Sanders be any weaker on issues important to blacks or women? Of course not; he would better, in my opinion. Clinton stated that she is not part of the establishment because she is a woman. Albright has demonized women who don't vote for Clinton. Obviously it is wrong to vote for a woman because she is a woman even if you don't agree with her positions. I didn't vote for Palin and I wouldn't vote for Fiorina, and I don't feel that Clinton's gender is a very good reason to vote for, especially when there are women out there who are much better. Obviously I wouldn't have a problem with Warren, had she run. I am glad that the Democrats are pushing for full equality. Ferraro and Pelosi were as close as we have come. It would be a step forward to have a woman as POTUS, but we don't want the wrong woman. Considering that Sanders is more in tune with the progressive wing of the party, and it would be a mistake to support someone because having a woman president is a good idea. I was glad to see Obama get elected, but we haven't solved racial issues in this country just because he happened to be black and we aren't going to solve gender issues in this country simply by virtue of having a female POTUS.

Fortunately Albright is not on the ballot, or a major part of Hillary's campaign in any way. And anyone who thinks she meant her comment literally is absurd.

Clinton is definitely not a part of the establishment with respect to her being a woman. One of the things that bothers me when the Sanders people call her 'establishment' or 'business as usual' is that in this aspect, she most definitely would not be.

No one supports Clinton solely because she is a woman, but her being a woman is still an important plus. Whether it's a tie breaker for you depends on how important you view breaking down that barrier compared to the net total of other issues. FWIW, I don't think Sanders is running a issues-based campaign, either. He's running a personality-based campaign, based on the notion that he's more honest than her. And a lot of his supporters are supporting him solely due to that.

IMO Hillary was right about Assad and if he had been taken out in 2011 there would have been no ISIS, while Libya was an understandable humanitarian intervention, and the country is still better off than Syria.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders campaign: Clinton won only states where we didn't compete on: March 28, 2016, 03:09:28 pm
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No one is voting for her simply because she is a woman unless they would also vote for Fiorina and Palin. They are women too, aren't they? The number of people I know who would vote for all three is zero.

And unless Sanders will implement a nationwide $15 minimum wage by executive order upon assuming office, there is no difference between him and Clinton on minimum wage.
Yes, I do believe that Fiorina and Palin are, in fact, women. Smiley

They also made a big deal of this. Why on earth do you think McCain picked Palin in the first place. Yes, of course, there are few people who would vote for any woman, but I am not talking about the general election, I am talking about primaries, and we can argue until pigs fly as to whether this is a factor or not in why people are supporting Clinton, but the reality is that she has made her gender an issue. She has played the gender card and Albright has played the gender card from the bottom of the deck. It is politics at its worst.

As for the policy differences, if nothing get passed by Congress, then what good would Clinton do as POTUS? Clearly one major difference between the two is foreign policy. The POTUS is very powerful in what s/he can do. We know on this issue Clinton is far to the right.

Of course her gender is an issue, it's a part of who she is. If sexism weren't an issue, she wouldn't be running as the first female president in a country where women are half the population. We'd have women as well represented as men in the top echelons of the party/movement. We just disagree on this.

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Clearly one major difference between the two is foreign policy.

Yes, she has far more experience and knowledge of foreign policy.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders campaign: Clinton won only states where we didn't compete on: March 28, 2016, 02:25:32 pm
I think that a lot of people are voting for Mrs. Clinton simply because she is a woman.
She has made that a campaign issue.

Yeah, I had to take down my Carly Fiorina sign before I could switch to Hillary /s
Thank you for making my point for me. She has made this an issue and women are a group that she is appealing to. Nobody can deny this. She is playing the gender card. People do vote on personality rather than on policy. Of course, I don't think this is the way to vote, but some people do. Fioriana and Palin are examples of this. There are limits. People don't tend  to have this as the only criterion. They don't usually switch parties because of gender or race. However, many are under the illusion that there isn't much of a difference between candidates of the same party; I am sure that some people don't realize how stark the contrast is between Clinton and Sanders, so they let themselves be swayed by the "vote for her, it's time for a woman" argument. Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to have a woman POTUS, since we have never had one, but really, do you want to vote based soley on that? That is the only reason I can think why people would chose someone whose policies are so inferior to Sanders'. $12 minimum wage? Really?

No one is voting for her simply because she is a woman unless they would also vote for Fiorina and Palin. They are women too, aren't they? The number of people I know who would vote for all three is zero.

And unless Sanders will implement a nationwide $15 minimum wage by executive order upon assuming office, there is no difference between him and Clinton on minimum wage.
97  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Primary Chuck Schumer? on: March 28, 2016, 02:18:47 pm
While researching the carried interest loophole debate, I came across this article which states comes just short of outright stating that Schumer is Wall Street's water carrier in Congress, and it seems nothing has changed since 2007. Now, if the Democrats retake the Senate, he's poised to be Senate Majority Leader. Is it too late to primary him? Why hasn't he faced a stronger progressive challenge in this heavily Democratic state?
98  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders campaign: Clinton won only states where we didn't compete on: March 28, 2016, 01:05:47 pm
I think that a lot of people are voting for Mrs. Clinton simply because she is a woman.
She has made that a campaign issue.

Yeah, I had to take down my Carly Fiorina sign before I could switch to Hillary /s
99  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: #BernieMadeMeWhite is now a top trending hashtag on FB and Twitter on: March 28, 2016, 12:55:53 pm
Well, it's true in a way. In Bernie Sanders' ideal world, everybody would be white.

An overreaction to some lazy journalism, whose larger point was still valid.

Wow. As a non-white born and raised in Hawai'i, it amazes me to what extent people will go to defend errant media. Gotta love our system of doing things...

What is "errant" media? Joe Republic said it was an overreaction, which seems true. I'll bet not many people read that little clip and concluded that Hawaii was white.
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Obama endorses DWS over primary challenger on: March 28, 2016, 12:45:09 pm
Excellent news for a classy woman!
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