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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Religious Right dominance in the GOP in the 1990s? on: September 09, 2017, 04:50:36 pm
The Christian Coalition was a huge factor in the mid-1990s. The Promise Keepers had a huge rally on the mall in 1998. In 2000, the Christian Coalition made 50 million calls for Bush. As the 2000s wore on, they were gradually replaced by James Dobson's Focus on the Family, but the religious right retained huge power. It was not until the late 2000s that the religious right's movement waned.

Frankly, I thought they were going to come back. It was said the religious right was finished after the Jim Bakker televangelist scandal in 1987, but they roared back after that. Then, it was said they were finished after overreaching on Bill Clinton's impeachment in 1998, but they roared back again. When they started to decline in the late 2000s, I was thinking "They'll roar back." But they haven't.
77  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Best and Worst 2020 candidates to debate Trump on: September 09, 2017, 04:16:08 pm
Booker would be the best, by far. He's very charismatic and has a great way with words, compared to the others.

The worst, Mark Zuckerberg. He's not ready for prime time.
78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: amended early March primary bill advances in California legislature on: September 09, 2017, 04:12:56 pm
Cali and Texas on the same day might suck the oxygen out of the other states... not sure what to think of this.
That CaliFORNIA and TX are finally getting what they deserve.

There's not going to be a real contest in California if it's just going to be in the bag for one candidate from the start.
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Which of these television networks are "fair and balanced"? on: September 08, 2017, 09:53:32 pm
All I know is among the cable channels, MSNBC is more to the left, CNN is in the center, and Fox News is on the right. They are all corporate outlets however who have cheered on pretty much every disaster and catastrophe of public opinion in the past 20 years.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Virginia bars voting machines considered top hacking target on: September 08, 2017, 06:26:57 pm
"Virginiaís election supervisors on Friday directed counties to ditch touchscreen voting machines before Novemberís elections, saying the devices posed unacceptable digital risks.

The move represents one of the most dramatic actions taken to help secure elections since a 2016 presidential race rife with concerns about digital meddling and vote tampering. Election security experts have long warned that such machines are a top target for hackers.

The decision forces Virginia counties to swiftly replace any touchscreen devices with machines that produce a paper trail, ensuring the state can audit its closely watched gubernatorial race this November between Democrat Ralph Northam and Republican Ed Gillespie."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/virginia-election-machines-hacking-target-242492
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What is Bernie's worst swing state? on: September 08, 2017, 06:15:31 pm
I can't see any Hillary voters fleeing him. I guess NC or GA cause of the rural gun totin' Republicans.

many in the pro Bernie crowd(which I am not in) state that his populist message is actually appealing to rural folk, which is what would push him over the edge. In the primary this was certainly true, his weak position on gun control helps.

Yeah, which is why he does better in the rural north, and is a wash in the rural south.
82  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: John Delaney's our guy. on: September 08, 2017, 06:02:21 pm
Delaney would be a fine candidate.
83  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gun to your head - Harris, Gillibrand or Klobuchar - The best candidate ? on: September 08, 2017, 06:01:46 pm
Pretty much anyone but these three, but if forced to choose, Gillibrand or Klobuchar (puke).
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Disney's "Pocahontas" was a "both side do it"-themed garbage on: September 08, 2017, 05:21:18 pm
I never actually saw that movie, I feel like I'm one of the few who hasn't.

I'm right there with you

Same.
85  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which should a person be able to do to themselves? on: September 08, 2017, 04:54:47 pm
In the other ones, the only reason the decision can't be unmade is because it's physically impossible. In the first one, it is actually possible to unmake the decision, but you're refusing the right of the person to do it. That's a violation of fundamental human rights, of course.

It's not possible to regret those other decisions after they're made, decisions in which a person has limited their own future choices and probably happiness?

Sure, they can regret it, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
Exactly. The same thing as selling themselves into slavery. Once they've done in, they can't undo it.

No it's not. Slavery can be undone, even if not by the person.
But it's the same idea... all are about turning over some of your freedom, limiting your future options.

No, someone who has been tortured and freed has not lost any freedom.
86  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Process / Re: What happens if Trump/Republicans keep winning while losing the PV? on: September 08, 2017, 03:51:12 pm
I don't see why people keep bringing up splitting up California. What would that achieve? It would impact the Senate, but have no impact on the presidency. Besides, Republicans could just split up Nebraska. It's pretty silly as a solution.

In my view, an undemocratic system is illegitimate. You can have a PV/outcome split once in a while, as in the UK and Australia, but when there are systemic factors affecting this and it is chronic, the system is no longer supported by popular sovereignty. The best thing states like California could do in situations like that is to simply declare independence.
87  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Oprah Winfrey ran, who would she do in the Democratic primaries? on: September 08, 2017, 03:19:29 pm
It'll be just like Samuel L Jackson and Selma Hayek in Hitman's Bodyguard, only reversed.
88  General Discussion / History / Was Genghis Khan a socialist? on: September 08, 2017, 01:19:51 pm
Sure it sounds unfamiliar, but think about it. Do you really think Genghis Khan would get along with Ludwig von Mises? Does he seem like the kind of guy who would have opposed governmental tyranny? Can anyone really name an ancient Mongol corporation, any Mongolian neoliberal, or the official bank of the Golden Horde? Did Samarkand even have a stock market? I mean, how high can the Gini index even go on the basis of property carried around by a bunch of guys on horses? What does sacking Baghdad -- whose citizens probably could not conceive of the Central Asian working class as anything other than "deplorables" and hanging people from the city walls really say about the Mongolian opinion of urban elites-- the 1%? There's only one possible explanation: Genghis Khan was a Socialist.
89  General Discussion / History / Re: Presidents that were the right person at the wrong time on: September 08, 2017, 10:03:16 am
Barack Obama. With the nation heavily polarized, his "We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and yes, we have Gay friends in the Red States" message is exactly what the country needs right now.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Sherrod Brown/Bernie Sanders? on: September 08, 2017, 02:57:28 am
Sometimes when you have two people together, something just clicks that doesn't for each individually. Sherrod Brown is a moderately good candidate, but when I think of him together with Bernie Sanders suddenly it seems like a very good ticket. They both project the same kind of serious, but down to earth progressivism that can speak to Middle America. How would such a ticket do?
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Should the Dems demand the ACA add a severability clause & declare mandate a tax on: September 08, 2017, 02:49:40 am
? Yes. I am afraid the biggest threat to the law now is if the GOP replaces one of the liberal justices on SCOTUS and NFIB vs. Sebelius is overturned. Therefore, if the Republicans fail to repeal the bill and ask for Democratic support in patching it up, any amendment should include these explicit clarifications.
92  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Sherrod Brown perform in these states? on: September 08, 2017, 02:34:56 am
Given the realities of the electoral college, a Brown/Sanders ticket may be the Democrats' best shot. And no, it wouldn't matter that it was an all-white male ticket at all. (Nor should it.) Both are interesting, personable people who can reach across divides and appeal to groups the Democrats need to be talking to. Sadly, it's doubtful he'll run.

I really doubt that. Brown will be a good VP pick no matter the nominee because he can be a good attack-dog. As the main ticket, his cigarette smoking voice and "rugged" look won't appeal to the majority. He's a progressive so he can shore up any ticket that has an "establishment" type.

The VP pick doesn't really matter. He needs to be at the top of the ticket. He's unique in that he's a progressive who can also appeal to the white working class, and white men. Plus, he's from the Midwest.

Honestly, since Dick Cheney became VP, and how much of a positive influence that Joe Biden had on the Obama Administration. The VP position has become much more. Pence was picked for his inner-knowledge of Washington, D.C.

I think Brown would be a great VP. If he wants to run, I support him but if he doesn't. He'll be on everyone's VP list. I guarantee it.

I mean sure, if he is on the VP list I don't think he'll make a bad VP, but he won't add the power to the ticket that he needs to, particularly if the main nominee is coastal. He'd really only have a significant impact as the nominee. He could really make the Democrats competitive again among working class whites.

EDIT: And especially if the VP is Sanders. I think they could have a unique chemistry as two progressive old white guys, as Clinton/Gore did in '92.
93  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kamala Harris announces she will co-sponsor single-payer health insurance on: September 08, 2017, 02:32:53 am
raising the smoking age to 21.
Preventing that is my main reason for opposing universal healthcare. That kind of nannying is how you get prison time for parents who let their 10-year-old take the bus alone. In fact, I'd rather the DEA make tobacco schedule 1 than there be a high smoking age.
It's not nannying. It's putting tobacco on par with marijuana and alcohol, and recognizing that there is no good reason for it to be consumed, and that that is a good way to reduce it's consumption. The 10-year old on a bus arrest is, of course, insane.

I also think they should be on par, in that marijuana and alcohol should be legal at 18.

I agree with this too.
94  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Dark Horse candidates for 2020 on: September 08, 2017, 02:31:58 am
Sherrod Brown

Good pick. If only he runs.
95  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Sherrod Brown perform in these states? on: September 08, 2017, 02:29:38 am
Given the realities of the electoral college, a Brown/Sanders ticket may be the Democrats' best shot. And no, it wouldn't matter that it was an all-white male ticket at all. (Nor should it.) Both are interesting, personable people who can reach across divides and appeal to groups the Democrats need to be talking to. Sadly, it's doubtful he'll run.

I really doubt that. Brown will be a good VP pick no matter the nominee because he can be a good attack-dog. As the main ticket, his cigarette smoking voice and "rugged" look won't appeal to the majority. He's a progressive so he can shore up any ticket that has an "establishment" type.

The VP pick doesn't really matter. He needs to be at the top of the ticket. He's unique in that he's a progressive who can also appeal to the white working class, and white men. Plus, he's from the Midwest.
96  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Sherrod Brown perform in these states? on: September 08, 2017, 02:21:39 am
Given the realities of the electoral college, a Brown/Sanders ticket may be the Democrats' best shot. And no, it wouldn't matter that it was an all-white male ticket at all. (Nor should it.) Both are interesting, personable people who can reach across divides and appeal to groups the Democrats need to be talking to. Sadly, it's doubtful he'll run.
97  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Booker being targeted by "pro-Israel" group for voting against Taylor Force Act on: September 08, 2017, 02:19:00 am
Getting on the opposing side of a group like this is a smart move by Booker.
98  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which should a person be able to do to themselves? on: September 08, 2017, 01:52:30 am
In the other ones, the only reason the decision can't be unmade is because it's physically impossible. In the first one, it is actually possible to unmake the decision, but you're refusing the right of the person to do it. That's a violation of fundamental human rights, of course.

It's not possible to regret those other decisions after they're made, decisions in which a person has limited their own future choices and probably happiness?

Sure, they can regret it, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
Exactly. The same thing as selling themselves into slavery. Once they've done in, they can't undo it.

No it's not. Slavery can be undone, even if not by the person.
99  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Which should a person be able to do to themselves? on: September 08, 2017, 12:38:35 am
In the other ones, the only reason the decision can't be unmade is because it's physically impossible. In the first one, it is actually possible to unmake the decision, but you're refusing the right of the person to do it. That's a violation of fundamental human rights, of course.

It's not possible to regret those other decisions after they're made, decisions in which a person has limited their own future choices and probably happiness?

Sure, they can regret it, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: MH: Broward GOP uncovers a nasty secret about its young party secretary on: September 08, 2017, 12:34:26 am
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I can only hope and pray his victim has moved on in her life at least as well.

Somehow I doubt it. A guy who should be in jail gets to be married with three kids, his victim is probably still has PTSD, if not permanently disabled. And people say rich, white, male privilege isn't a thing.
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