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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Well, this was supposed to be my response in my other thread, but... on: November 10, 2006, 06:06:57 pm
Someone just emailed me the link to this thread, and even though I no longer post here, I felt the need to come and comment based on the fact that my name was used as a weapon against Chris Soulty.

While it's true that I used to work for Lee Atwater and greatly admired the man and his tactics, I assure you we never did anything quite as despicable as what was done to Soulty's friend. But even if we had, it would have been justified in my mind because our tactics were always in response to those sort of tactics being used against us. As I told you people a few years ago, the Democrats ROUTINELY engaged in this sort of behavior against us, and a person can have one of two responses...

1. They sit back and take it and retain the moral high ground...but probably lose.

2. They fight back every bit as hard and employ the same kind of despicable tactics.

My main point is that I loved Atwater because he was the one Republican I worked with who was every bit as vicious and heartless as the Democrats we came up against. So I make ZERO apologies for what he was, what I was, or what I think the Republican party sometimes NEEDS to be to combat the other side.

BUT...Chris Soulty is a different sort of animal. He is without a doubt the finest human being I encountered during my days on this forum, and perhaps too good a guy to be in the political game. After reading this and another thread by Keystone Phil, it has been very sad for me to see two such fine young men become disillusioned...they are going through the same sort of personal evolution that I went through at their age. My reaction was to embrace the Atwater style and seek to DESTROY those who attacked us in that manner, and I eventually left the game partly because I did not see the same "fire" in the hearts of my fellow Republicans when we allowed Bill Clinton to win the White House in 1992.

So Chris, and to a lesser extent Phil, I am very sad that two decent and honorable young men like you had to receive such a bitter lesson in the way modern American politics works. Sadly, the truth is that people like Wakie and JFern and others of that ilk are the RULE in modern politics and not the exception, and the Casey campaign was merely an extension of that Democratic Party mentality. The ideologues in their party are so utterly convinced that they are right and that our side is either stupid or evil, that they can rationalize ANY behavior no matter how despicable.

So I would tell you, with much regret I might add, that decent guys like you need to either embrace this sort of "sausage making" politics, or get out of the business the way I did. Go find a nice girl, make a bunch of money, raise some decent children and isolate yourself as much as possible from the influence of the Left Wing thought police who will try to brainwash your children into being good little socialists.

And if you and/or Phil want to talk with me more about this, feel free to post or please send me Private Messages since I'm pretty reluctant to start posting here again since this forum has long ago turned into a VERY unfriendly place for anyone on the right side of the political spectrum.

Mark D.

PS--Reading this thread has again illustrated for me the painfully obvious conclusion that the young European posters here are VASTLY more impressive than the young American posters. People like Gustaf, Al and others...I may not agree with them on every issue, but they are so much more rational and coherent than the young Americans who share their political views.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grade George W. Bush's Presidency thus far on: January 11, 2006, 02:16:27 am
The argument that in order to have the right to have an opinion on something you must personally involve yourself in that thing is totally illogical, yet it seems to be the basis for your nonsensical belief system.

First off you can have whatever opinion you want.  But if you ask others to kill and die for a cause and you claim to feel strongly about it you should be willing to make the same sacrifice.  It is my opinion that if you don't have the balls to fight for a cause you advocate that puts thousands and thousands of American lives at great risk you are a coward and a chickenhawk.

And going to war is not comparable to other jobs.  Our jobs don't require us to wake up every morning with the goal of killing other people.  That is a very serious thing to ask someone and it should not be taken lightly.

Progress,

You're right. If a person doesn't have the balls to stand up and fight for what they believe in, that person is a worthless coward. And in that context, I then have NO doubt, that if terrorists were shooting people in your neighborhood, you and most of your left wing buddies wouldn't raise a damn finger to help your fellow citizens.

You DO fight for what you believe in...it's just too bad it's not the United States of America pal.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grade George W. Bush's Presidency thus far on: January 11, 2006, 02:10:35 am
Anyway, I voted C-, which is what he's spent most of his life getting.

John,

You know I like you a great deal and have the utmost respect for you as I have indicated on several occasions in the past. But with all due respect, your "C-" comment about Bush is absolutely ridiculous as you've never walked a mile in his shoes. You have NO idea what it takes to maintain an "A" or even "B" average at an Ivy League school. The grading is done almost entirely on a curve, meaning that a certain percentage of people are doomed to low grades under all circumstances. Then factor in the level of competition as virtually everyone you compete with is a former Valedictorian, or at the very least, in the top 1-2% of the nation in SAT scores, grades and/or high school class ranking. And to complicate matters even further, if you have the audacity to be a Conservative, and you're actually dumb enough to speak your mind to your professors, then you face yet another steep obstacle in your efforts to establish a decent GPA. This is what George Bush faced in college, and as someone who has been down the same road as Bush, I can tell you that it's a little harder to get good grades at an Ivy League school than Cal State-Bozo, or SUNY-Halfwits, or any other variation of the generic state schools.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grade George W. Bush's Presidency thus far on: January 11, 2006, 02:00:11 am
I wasn't planning on returning here anytime soon, but another poster here just e-mailed me the link to this thread.

Almost 70% of the votes are less than a "C" and less than 10% are higher than a B+, yet according to most posters here, this forum is not biased towards one side of the political spectrum and is essentially right down the middle in political terms.

Sure it is...you guys keep telling yourselves that.

This forum USED TO BE great, but now it's essentially run and dominated by those of a left wing or center/left ideology. And that's a shame, because a couple years ago, I really enjoyed posting here. Now it sucks...
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 10:03:46 pm
Come on people. MarkDel feels very passionate, and this sometimes gets the better of him. MarkDel, unless Im missing something personal, you need to seriously lighten up just a little bit.

Joe, didn't insult you, he merely insulted an imaginary person who holds views that he strongly disagrees with. That said, it was still wrong, because if someone did hold those views, it does not necessarily make them stupid or obstinate, and they should be corrected with arguments rather than insults. Look we've completely lost the discussion because of them.

Anyway, it's a great excuse for me to stop wasting whats left of my new year's eve eve on politics.

Factor,

Just so you understand, my problem, real problem in this thread, is not with Joe, or you, or anyone else who holds your opinions. I may disagree with you guys...may even think your position is silly, but that doesn't get me angry. What gets me angry is Gabu and Alcon coming in "all self righteous" on me when they do NOT do the same thing to left wingers and/or trolls who behave in the same fashion. Now THAT is what has me pissed off for real.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:51:43 pm
I can argue with people I strongly agree with without suggesting that their views make them "stupid or obstinate."  Most people here do.  I think they would appreciate it if the hyperbole was dropped.

Alcon,

Et tu? It appears that you also have a reading comprehension issue. That was an ANALOGY...I assumed that you, Joe and Gabu understood the concept.

But, hyperbole dropped Alcon. Since you and/or Gabu are moderators, go ahead and ban me if you think I'm "lowering the standards" of this forum.

If only people like you and Gabu would take such a strong position against the trolls and other non-productive members of the forum.

This is a waste of my time...
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:38:43 pm
MarkDel and dazzleman seem to be ignoring the actual story at least as much as the mainstream media in lieu of ranting on and on about the mainstream media...

I'm really wondering what this will accomplish.  Insulting people is not going to allow them to see their errors.

Telling the truth is not insulting people.  If you think it is, then that doesn't say much for the person who is supposedly being insulted.

Dazzleman,

No, that's not the problem here. The problem is that Gabu and others here want the rules to work one way for leftists and one way for rightists, and that's something that was NOT the case at this site when I first joined a couple years ago...and that swing to the left is a big part of why I should just avoid this place the way I did for about a 6-month period earlier this year.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:35:22 pm
Now you see, THAT'S WHY I stopped posting here. Expressing a rational view and telling someone else you think they're wrong, and questioning their objectivity, is considered INSULTING.

You said I was 'either stupid or obstinate'.

No Joe, that was the analogy I was trying to make which obviously eluded both you and Gabu. Go back and reread what I said to you in the post BEFORE that, the one about looking in the mirror.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:28:59 pm
MarkDel and dazzleman seem to be ignoring the actual story at least as much as the mainstream media in lieu of ranting on and on about the mainstream media...

I'm really wondering what this will accomplish.  Insulting people is not going to allow them to see their errors.

Gabu,

Now you see, THAT'S WHY I stopped posting here. Expressing a rational view and telling someone else you think they're wrong, and questioning their objectivity, is considered INSULTING.

Left wingers on this forum do FAR worse over and over and over again and guys like you don't say a god damn word. That's the way it works here, and that's why I left....and should have stayed gone.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:24:30 pm
I've found nothing about it on Fox.  Damn that liberal media for ignoring what's important.

It's been on Fox News, I saw it myself. But they too have been underplaying the story...mainly because their "straight news people" are not biased towards the right wing the way the "opinion shows" are like O'Reilly, Hannity, etc....
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:22:10 pm
The Factor,

You said, "The issue here seems to be either
an Iraqi American who plays a confrontational role, a "spokesperson" of Iraq against government policy,
or an Iraqi American who plays a supportive role, a "cheerleader" and giver of gratitude for American sacrifices"

Spokesperson vs. Cheerleader...hmmm

Do you see how a person can be heavily biased and not even realize it...LMFAO
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:18:42 pm
Alcon,

What I said to Joe may seem harsh, but if a person cannot, or will not, recognize that which is almost ludicrously obvious, they are either lacking in intelligence, or devoid of objectivty...there's no getting around it. It's like the person who tells you 2+2=5...they are either stupid or obstinate.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:15:59 pm
Alcon,

That's a pretty intelligent comment. I also LOATHE the attention that Michael Jackson-type garbage receives. What that means is that media has a bias towards liberalism AND stupidity.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:13:54 pm
Well I see that now that Christmas is over, the phoney war on the liberal media can continue.  Godspeed, conservative brethren.

Joe,

Do you honestly believe that if this story involved a left wing kid who opposed the war that it would receive the same modest amount of attention? If you can truly say that, I mean look in the mirror and say that honestly to yourself, then I have BADLY overestimated either your intelligence or your objectivity.
15  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: Census Estimates for 2005 -> 2010 apportionment on: December 30, 2005, 09:09:23 pm

It depends upon which 'rich' you are talking about,  The inherited wealth rich tend to be socially quite liberal.  They didn't earn their money.  Those who did earn their money and who are rich tend to be libertarian/conservative.

Carl Hayden,

That is one of the most "right on" things anyone has ever said on this forum. Amen.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 09:02:41 pm
I saw this story on Yahoo!... And I don't exactly see what benefit the media finds in portraying all Arab Americans as anti-Americans, (unless of course you're one of those who feels there is some kind of Jewish conspiracy out there in the media to favor Israel and make Arabs look bad. I don't believe that.)

The most interesting thing about this case... I don't think a non-Iraqi student could have gotten away with this... if there's anything that mitigated this incident from pure stupidity on the kid's part, it's the fact that his parents were born in Iraq and he has at least some cultural connection. The CIA could take a hint from that. It shows one of the advantages of having a culturally diverse society.

The Factor,

You totally "misunderestimate" the leftists in the media. They would not be spinning this as anti-American...no way. If this kid opposed the war, they would be spinning it as "America's harsh war on terror has so alienated Muslims that even a nice, rich high school kid feels isolated enough in his own country to engage in Jihad against Bush and his racist Neo-Cons"

Wake up man, it's later than you think...
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 08:59:50 pm
Had this kid been like one of those twit "human shields" trying to expose US abuse he would have been hailed in many corners. 

Darn right Patrick!!!
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 08:58:46 pm
Dazzleman,

Close, but it goes WAYYYYY beyond that. It turns out that this young Muslim of Iraqi descent is not only a staunch supporter of the Iraq War, but also has the audacity to be a member of his high school's young Republicans club. He has written some incredible pieces about the Iraq War and the War on Terror (they were read aloud today on Sean Hannity's radio show), and based on his  considerable eloquence and vocabulary, this young man appears to have an IQ well into the genius range...despite his foolish actions in going to Iraq.

Now if this kid were a left wing, anti-American type who was opposed to the war, then we would hear about him ALL DAY long. Then we would hear about his considerable courage and moral superiority of how he risked life and limb, and his comfortable lifestyle to expose the lies of the evil President and his neo-con minions.

The media is a JOKE...
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 08:46:20 pm
Nope, try again.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you could naturalise ONE non-US Forumite, who would it be? on: December 30, 2005, 08:45:11 pm
There are a few who I would gladly welcome as American citizens, but I have had to only pick one it would probably be John F. Kennedy or whatever strange name he goes by these days. But there are several others I would welcome with open arms.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida teen goes to Iraq for school project on: December 30, 2005, 08:42:32 pm
This incident involving the Florida teen has received VERY, VERY, VERY little media attention.

Can anyone here guess why?
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political description of the preceding forumite on: December 28, 2005, 02:28:18 pm
The Factor,

Moderate Democrat who is not nearly as conservative/moderate as he thinks.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political description of the preceding forumite on: December 28, 2005, 02:24:38 pm
MarkDel -a northern transplant in Georgia, and a very partisan conservative Republican, not unlike Keystone Phil.

Actually, I'm nowhere near as Conservative on social issues...not even close. I'm probably MORE partisan though, and probably more conservative on military/foreign policy issues than anyone on this forum.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Political description of the preceding forumite on: December 28, 2005, 02:17:01 pm
Harry...Southern moderate liberal as well!
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Define the 'American Dream'... on: December 28, 2005, 02:13:03 pm
Financial security, ownership of home and property, job that pays enough to provide good home and education to family, and a good retirement.

BINGO...this is right on target. I would add "raising children who become productive members of society"
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