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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ithaca College SGA passes bill for online reporting of microaggressions on: March 27, 2015, 03:11:14 pm
I tend to agree with Shua that it's still a bit worrying. Beet and others can constantly say that people like this are a minority, but it doesn't mean much when in their spheres of influence they still truck along. If you sat most people down and asked them to speak seriously on s**t like this they would tell you it's over the line and likely to be fraught with needless complications but it's only going to actually stop when more people speak up about it.

A problem with these situations is that a lot of people on the Left turn a blind eye to overreach like this as being well-meaning and excuse them for still being on the "right side" even if what they're doing in the moment is dumb. There are a lot of social justice types who do or say fundamentally illiberal (or just plain stupid) things but are not criticized much for it from the Left because a lot of hacks are more interested in defending from mockery of right-wingers that any criticism at all suddenly becomes an attack.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do all musicians you listen to have the same political views as you? on: March 26, 2015, 01:06:44 pm
I don't require all of my entertainment line up to my political beliefs because I am not that insecure.
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: opinion of cities: skylines on: March 26, 2015, 12:50:04 pm
It's great, though I personally find the base game a little too easy.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Issues Is The Forum Most/Least Knowledgeable About? on: March 26, 2015, 12:47:06 pm
It's lucky that we have Marokai and Memphis and their extended travelling to the far corners of the globe to inform us about the real world out there.

I've never claimed to be an authority on much of anything. I'm just a guy with opinions I like to share with others like everyone else around here.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What ideological labels would you use to describe your politics? on: March 25, 2015, 08:35:08 pm
Anarchocommunist, environmentalist, feminist, LGBT

I'm really not comfortable with the idea of 'LGBT' being an ideological label.

I'm curious, why not?
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who do you consider to be 'characters' on here nowadays? on: March 25, 2015, 12:27:27 pm
Far too many, unfortunately.
7  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's the most SJW party in the world? on: March 24, 2015, 09:27:50 pm
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Issues Is The Forum Most/Least Knowledgeable About? on: March 24, 2015, 08:30:54 pm
95% of all gender discussions on this forum are comprised of people who say horrendously insulting or ignorant things about women vs. people who just do drive by snarky dismissals toward all involved. I can't think of any topic this site is worse at discussing.

There are other topics tangentially related in the social issues realm (religion and race come to mind) that this site does a poor job fleshing out, but it's ultimately related to what Memphis referenced. This site is full of young bright people, many of whom are incredibly privileged and largely sheltered from how the rest of the world lives outside their suburb or school.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Madeleine & Anvi Gallery of Excellent Effortposts on: March 23, 2015, 04:58:54 pm
Will the latest incarnation of this gallery be another way for people to repost opinions they agree with without having to enter the discussion themselves, inevitably engulfing this thread in bickering that could've been had elsewhere?
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What ideological labels would you use to describe your politics? on: March 23, 2015, 04:28:26 pm
Social democrat, secularist, egalitarian.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: MW: March 2015 Elections (Althing/Archduke) on: March 22, 2015, 08:27:09 am
1. Snowguy
2. Tyrion

Most Serene Reps:
1. Fuzzybigfoot
2. Brewer
3. Rfayette
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of JerryArkansas on: March 21, 2015, 05:29:13 pm
I've always liked his earnestness. I can't really think of anything he's done to dislike him over.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama snuffs stoner dreams of legalization on: March 21, 2015, 02:41:24 pm
Obama's statements when it comes to marijuana are more childish than just outright believing it's horrifically damaging to society; at least the latter belief is more sincere. It's insulting to my intelligence because I know that he knows better than this.
14  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: 'Blurred Lines' plagiarized from Marvin Gaye song on: March 21, 2015, 02:32:43 pm
Isn't there literally a recent Maroon 5 song that includes the line "Hunt you down, eat you alive"?
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Le Pen Calls for Footballer Ibrahimovic to Leave France on: March 20, 2015, 02:56:32 pm
Reported for trolling.

Le Pen has been infracted 5 points.

Any chance you could dole out a fair bit more?
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to right now? II on: March 20, 2015, 02:45:38 pm
Yelle - Ba$$in
Yelle - Coca sans bulles
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of DeadFlagBlues on: March 20, 2015, 01:48:25 pm
I've always quite liked him.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What bothers you about your "side"? on: March 19, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
I guess what it all comes down to, for me, is that social liberalism was once an alternative that enabled people to pursue whatever types of consensual personal behavior they wanted, and thus was a movement that increased individual freedom and happiness. It was the antidote to Jerry Fallwell telling you that you were going to hell, to Nancy Reagan saying “just say no,” to your conservative parents telling you not to be gay, to Pat Robertson saying don’t have sex, to Tipper Gore telling you that you couldn’t listen to the music you like, to don’t have sex, don’t do drugs, don’t wear those clothes, don’t walk that way, don’t have fun, don’t be yourself. So of course that movement won. It was a positive, joyful, human, freeing alternative to an exhausted, ugly, narrow vision of how human beings should behave.

It seems to me now that the public face of social liberalism has ceased to seem positive, joyful, human, and freeing. I now mostly associate that public face with danger, with an endless list of things that you can’t do or say or think, and with the constant threat of being called an existentially bad person if you say the wrong thing, or if someone decides to misrepresent what you said as saying the wrong thing.


Suppose you’re a young college student inclined towards liberal or left-wing ideas. And suppose, like a lot of such college students, you enjoy Stephen Colbert and find him a political inspiration. Now imagine that, during the #CancelColbert fiasco, you defended Colbert on Twitter. If your defense was noticed by the people who police that forum, the consequences were likely to be brutal. People would not have said “here, let me talk you through this.” It wouldn’t have been a matter of friendly and inviting disagreement. Instead, as we all saw, it would have been immediate and unequivocal attack. That’s how the loudest voices on Twitter and Tumblr and Facebook act. The culture is one of attack, rather than of education. And the claims, typically, are existential: not “this thing you said is problematic from the standpoint of race,” but rather “you’re a racist.” Not “I think there’s some gender issues going here that you should think about,” but “you’re a misogynist.” Always. I know that there are kinder voices out there in socially liberal circles on social media, but unfortunately, when these cyclical storms get going, those voices are constantly drowned out.

If you are a young person who is still malleable and subject to having your mind changed, and you decide to engage with socially liberal politics online, what are you going to learn immediately? Everything that you like is problematic. Every musician you like is misogynist. Every movie you like is secretly racist. Every cherished public figure has some deeply disqualifying characteristics.  All of your victories are the product of privilege. Everyone you know and love who does not yet speak with the specialized vocabulary of today’s social justice movement is a bad, bad person. That is no way to build a broader coalition, which we desperately need if we’re going to win.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Midwest Voting Booth: Reintroducing the Efficient Referenda Amendment on: March 19, 2015, 05:29:09 am
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which posters are most/least like you ideologically? on: March 18, 2015, 04:01:05 pm
A handful of years ago I would've said Lief and I lined up pretty solidly, but since then there's been something of a drift between my beliefs and certain aspects of the left that he seems more aligned with. Nix is a much better example of how my thoughts fall these days. I rarely disagree with him, it seems, and he is always very approachable.

I rarely find myself offended by someone's political beliefs in a very visceral way, but a little known poster named Koenkai managed to trigger me something awful. If there was ever a poster on this forum I found myself in persistent, loud disagreement with, it's him.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Schock is out on: March 17, 2015, 03:21:09 pm
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of making posts with ">" on: March 17, 2015, 02:10:46 am
I do find it pretty unpleasant, aesthetically, if nothing else. In general there are way better ways to make a point.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: March 17, 2015, 02:03:11 am
Whether or not this is the intention is besides the point, whenever you use the term "political correctness", a phenomenon that doesn't have a basis in reality,

As insufferable (and usually bigoted) as the right-wing critics of "political correctness" usually are, this is demonstrably false.

Your opinion has layers of nuance and complexity to it and is therefore uncomfortable and wrong.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 14, 2015, 10:44:43 pm
Please, you were obviously running defense for him (we can quibble over the semantics of "furiously"– your word, not mine, mind– but that's a strawman), what you've just said is fair as far as it goes but is also clearly a backpedal. As for disingenuous, I'd take a look at your own characterizations of feminism (and seeming willingness to always give their critics the benefit of the doubt, but never vice versa) first before you start throwing around accusations.

Also, nice sig.  I still don't have the time to properly respond, IRL is busy at the moment, but fine, at some point I'll necro that thread and give it the thorough response it apparently needs.

I was defending him insofar as I was giving my opinion on what I felt was ignorance about him (which continued, you know; he lives in Ohio, not Louisiania as one poster said, and BRTD accused him of being a Randian, which is completely off base and once again something you can only know by not watching anything about him) but I feel no personal attachment toward the guy. I'm a pedant who gets easily animated over small things, if anything. I do the same thing whenever there's a thread about Bill Maher, actually. When you say 'running defense' I think of Libertas' obsessive paragraphs-long screeds to every tiny thing ever said about him. And saying that he's a dick isn't a backpedal if I've always thought that.

It isn't so much that I insist on giving people the benefit of the doubt for biased reasons, but merely think if you're going to hate on someone you should have a basic amount of knowledge about what they've actually done themselves that's worth disliking. You seem to have some sort of really f**ked up perception of me; I'm interested in these topics because they fascinate me and I like reading about them, not because I'm in this to hate on people, so it does get me upset when someone like Beet implies that of course I would like/be a rape apologist, because I... criticized statistics on wage gaps? What an outrageous drive-by character assassination. Arguably s**tposting. But I make dishonest characterizations?

And if you want to know the reasoning behind that quote in my sig, it wasn't to bait you into responding, it was because it reminded me of something Madeleine said awhile back:
The position that I took in the thread about the Pope's comments on the Charlie Hebdo massacre (which is in U.S. General for some reason) is one that I genuinely hold but that I'm having such difficulty coherently defending that I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that I'm not fit to argue my beliefs and values in this venue any longer. I'm despairing of being able to present my beliefs and values in a cogent or convincing light, and I've developed the suspicion that, by trying and failing, I'm not living up to them.

You "disagree in ways that are strong but hard to coherently articulate" because you disagree in ways that are emotional and based on a slew of unfalsifiable claims, many of which you have already concluded were true before you ever tried forming the argument in the first place. This is largely why most of your disagreements with me that you did bother posting were nitpicks, clearly separate from the thrust of my point, disagreements that invented things I didn't say out of thin air, or drumming outrage over my use of certain terms (like my use of "clean cut" in reference to a fictional scenario, instead of directly responding to the thought experiment, which you basically just ignored).

For me, the idea of "disagreeing strongly but being unable to articulate why" is a kind of terrifying notion (as it was for Madeleine), because that could potentially mean I've either lost the ability to substantively demonstrate the validity of my beliefs and are no longer keeping my thoughts grounded, or that my beliefs can no longer actually be logically demonstrated in real terms to begin with. I would humbly suggest to you the idea that it might be worth reflecting on.

If you ever do return to that topic (which, seriously, is not that big of a deal, dude) I hope you do so with an interest in actually having a genuine give and take on what I was saying, instead of just trying to make a flashy coup-de-grâce. Because I actually really like reading discussions on those topics when all parties involved are being honest with each other, and I don't think we really disagree on much at all when it comes to the substantive things we need to do for women in society, or the things that can at least be clearly demonstrated to exist.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Antonio on: March 14, 2015, 12:32:51 pm
An absolutely delightful, good-hearted individual who is very smart and has contributed a lot to this forum. One of my earliest forum friends. I treasure his presence around here. FF.
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