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13801  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: June 01, 2009, 02:35:09 pm
I've made up my mind. I'll be in the JCP.

Glad to have you Smiley
13802  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 01:41:38 pm
In order to have true balance wouldn't we need a conservative to win?

As far as I can tell, the current senate is 8 conservatives and moderates, and only 1 liberal (though I still want tmthforu94 to win).

No, We have:

Four Libertarians: Franzl, DWTL, Afleitch and PiT
Four Liberals: BaconKing, Purple State, Happy Warrior and realisticidealis
Two Conservatives: Master Jedi and Smid.

I would hardly call HW and Realisticidealist liberals. Most of those are -3, -.5, basically. I wouldn't call that liberal. Baconking is a social liberal, but a centrist economically.
13803  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: Democratic nomination 2008 Survivor: Round 6 on: June 01, 2009, 12:47:47 pm
Obama
13804  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 12:37:11 pm
In order to have true balance wouldn't we need a conservative to win?

Tell Smid, PiT, Afleitch, and formerly DWTL Tongue
13805  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Forum Member.... on: June 01, 2009, 11:49:27 am
....would you want to marry your sister or daughter? Afleietch, because I know he's not gonna touch them!  LOL

LOL
13806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Hashemite Campaign HQ on: June 01, 2009, 11:35:06 am
Of course I an unable to vote for you, but I would like to offer you my endorsement for the job. You will be a fine Senator Smiley
13807  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 11:34:05 am
I believe I can do a good job of bringing forward an ideology that is badly underrepresented in the Senate.

I have no doubts that you'd represent your ideology passionately Wink

I will still be more than open to compromise and suggestion Smiley
13808  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 11:33:34 am
But tonight, I know. I know the Senate all too often passes important legislation with literally no debate! Is this really activity? I don't believe you can achieve real activity in the Senate by pushing pieces of legislation forward, and passing them with no debate. It gives the illusion of activity, to be sure, but we're supposed to be governing here, folks! I want an on-the-issues approach in every way, and I want to pay a close eye to legislation we're proposing.

I agree with this. The senators seem to be too respectful towards each other. It gets to the point where they fear even criticizing a bill beyond a, I don't agree.

I completely agree with you there.

I'm not calling for fistfights of course, but a little bit more excitement in Senate debate would be fun, no? Wink
13809  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 11:31:47 am
I agree with some of your sentiments about the quality of debate, but it's hard to have much of a debate when we have mostly leftists in the senate with a few libertarians scattered here and there. If you have a room full of liberals, I wouldn't expect much debate amongst them either. Just sayin'.....

Wink

lol Tongue

Duke, what would atlasia be without you? Wink
13810  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: June 01, 2009, 05:45:25 am
Antonio V
Vermont
Social Democratic Party

Unless you're making a new SDP, that party is dead and gone. The Left-wing party in Atlasia now is the JCP Smiley

Also you should update the Atlas wiki : it shows it as a 16-members party !

Anyways, I have to join the JCP, though it looks really too moderate for me.

Most of those members are inactive members, and even a couple are banned now. But you're right, there is some editing there to be done that I'll get on top of Smiley

Don't worry though, the old active SDP members, including myself, all joined the JCP. It's worth a shot to join Wink
13811  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: June 01, 2009, 05:37:22 am
Antonio V
Vermont
Social Democratic Party

Unless you're making a new SDP, that party is dead and gone. The Left-wing party in Atlasia now is the JCP Smiley
13812  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 05:36:47 am
Most debate in the Senate essentially boils down "I agree with this bill." "I disagree with this bill." "Okay, let's vote!"

There are some issues that crop up once in awhile that generate some controversy, but the majority of the posts that come from the threads come from Yeas and Nays.

This bill went absolutely nowhere before it was voted on.

This bill was relatively minor, but there was only one post on it for days until the final vote was called, and only seven people voted!

This bill got some "Oh yes this looks splendid" posts, with one Senator expressing opposition, then it was passed almost unanimously.

This bill was introduced two days ago, and has gone nowhere. It came after this bill, where people operated on a herd mentality. "Oh this is a marvelous idea!" "No, this is a bad idea." "You know, I never thought of it that way, Nay instead!"

Also I include these just for my own amusement:

With no activity at all and seemingly no intention of an amendment I hereby open up a final vote on this bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

Ok, no debate at all and people have been around. So now that 72 hours have passed and no actual debate. I hereby open up a final vote on the bill below. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.



Anywho, point is that there is often no debate or posts at all until the final vote is suddenly called, and that doesn't promise that all debate that does happen is at all substantive. I think the Senate focuses too much on getting things passed rather than actually making sure what we're passing is good or not until it's the last minute.

(And of course, I applaud your work as Senator, and I think you've been one of the best. Even if there has been debate on some issues, I believe I can do a good job of bringing forward an ideology that is badly underrepresented in the Senate.)
13813  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Marokai Blue for Senator: Re-election time is-a comin' on: June 01, 2009, 05:03:49 am
Marokai Blue: A Smart Balance for Senate
Now Improves Cholesteral~


I'm sure some of you who I've been in contact with in recent days might be surprised to hear this announcement. I was leaning against running for the Senate, though I was tempted, because I was unsure if it was really the place I should be, and if I really had the time to look over new pieces of legislation, debate, offer amendments, propose my own legislation. As I said, because of this, I wasn't sure.

But tonight, I know. I know the Senate all too often passes important legislation with literally no debate! Is this really activity? I don't believe you can achieve real activity in the Senate by pushing pieces of legislation forward, and passing them with no debate. It gives the illusion of activity, to be sure, but we're supposed to be governing here, folks! I want an on-the-issues approach in every way, and I want to pay a close eye to legislation we're proposing.

I have been absolutely honored to serve as Attorney General for as long as I have. I believe I have been an exceptional AG, launching the project to repair the Atlasia Wiki, creating a desperately needed new and improved Introduction Thread, trying to stay on top of wiki-editing that my job calls for, and winning both court cases that I brought before our esteemed Supreme Court.

I want to take these successes to the Senate, and provide an ideological balance that is badly needed today, providing what I hope to be a real left wing alternative. I will not sit idly by while free trade agreements pass without debate or proper protections. I will not support the tax-cutting that often makes our supporters happy, but deprives the government of badly needed revenue in tough economic times while generating almost no useful spending in return.

I'm all in favor of real and sensible compromise, and I will always listen to opposing sides, but to do that we need real debate over these issues. That's what the Senate is supposed to be all about, a deliberative body!

I can't promise radical change in any quarter just by my simple election, but I can promise there will be a Senator in that chamber asking some questions. Vote for me if you want balance to our Senate.

Feel free to ask any questions you like, or even insult me. Tongue
13814  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: June 01, 2009, 04:44:44 am
I will be running for the Senate in this Thursday's special election.
13815  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Election to replace DWTL on: June 01, 2009, 04:40:40 am
I'm absolutely running, recent events have left me with no other option. Wink
13816  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Atlasia-Iraq Free Trade Bill (Law'd) on: June 01, 2009, 04:35:59 am
Happy to see such debate over important matters such as these.

NAY

Shearly on principle.  For a FTA this bill is quite good.

Quite the change of tune, Senator.

Wiki'd!
13817  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Fuel Efficient Cars Bill (Law'd) on: June 01, 2009, 04:34:54 am
Wiki'd
13818  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Nuclear Power Advancement Bill (Law'd) on: June 01, 2009, 04:34:17 am
Wiki'd
13819  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: June 01, 2009, 04:01:24 am
You can change your party whenever you want, for what it's worth. You can change your state of residence every few months.

60 days to be exact. Although yes, if you wanted to be in the Social Democratic Party, as the last leader of the SDP prior to it's demise, the JCP is the true left wing voice in Atlasia, and most of the active former SDP members have joined. Smiley
13820  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which Forum Member.... on: May 31, 2009, 09:24:45 pm
....would you want as a dorm or roommate if you needed to split the rent? Purple State

....would you want to go into business with? Beet

....would you expect to go berzerk on a killing rampage one day? Myself, if I spent too much time on here Tongue

....do you think needs to post less? Sam Spade (or at least post what you're thinking, don't tell us you're thinking of something but not posting it)

....do you think should post more? Alcon

....has made you laugh so hard you choked on whatever beverage you were drinking? Lunar

....is least likely to say, "Man, I was so wrong"? Phil

....is most likely to rub your nose in it if he or she is proven right? Phil

....would you want to have your back in a bar fight? Meeker

....would you want at your bedside if you were sick or dying? Winston Disraeli

....would you seek investment advice from? Beet

....would you want to marry your sister or daughter? Mr. Moderate

....has the most positive outlook on life? Dc cutie

....has the most negative outlook? Mint

....would you want to make a movie with? BRTD

....would you want to tour a foreign country with? Afleitch

....is most likely to persuade you to switch parties? Torie

....makes you so glad you are NOT of his or her party? Officepark

....would be the most fun on a road trip across the US? Lunar

....would you turn to for advice on a personal problem or crisis? Winston Disraeli
13821  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should George Tiller's killer receive the death penalty? on: May 31, 2009, 09:05:38 pm
No/pro-choice
13822  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 60 on: May 31, 2009, 05:58:02 pm
Yes, of course. What do you want the freedom to do, fly out the windshield?

I feel dirty empty quoting you.

Dirty is good, my friend Wink
13823  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine XI: The Atlas Forum Demilitarized Zone on: May 31, 2009, 05:53:35 pm
FF. In fact, Phil's so dreamy that it's a wonder his name isn't Phil Jonas.
13824  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Gay Thread on: May 31, 2009, 05:53:12 pm
I'm not gay, but I walked in AIDS Walk NY a few weeks ago.

Smiley That's great.

I'm also surprised that Fritz is gay, and here I thought I knew all the gay members Sad
13825  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 60 on: May 31, 2009, 05:06:24 pm
Yes, of course. What do you want the freedom to do, fly out the windshield?
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