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13801  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The "Repair Our Wiki" Project! (R.O.W.) on: July 10, 2009, 07:13:11 am
What should be done about the new constitutional amendment? It was ratified in four regions I believe was it not? So should it be wiki'd even though voting hasn't even been done in the Pacific?
13802  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At New Final Vote) on: July 10, 2009, 05:01:47 am
Abstain.

The bill is pointless with the new amendment.

Sad I gained and vote and lost one!
13803  General Politics / Economics / Re: Should we worry about the deficit now, or later? on: July 09, 2009, 11:03:45 pm
We need to stimulate the economy now. However it is wrong to imply that Keynesians don't worry about the deficit.

Right you are. I care very much about a balanced budget and reducing our debt, the difference is the two sides disagree on how to go about it. It is rather unfair to say the left doesn't care about deficits, we do.
13804  General Politics / Economics / Re: Should we worry about the deficit now, or later? on: July 09, 2009, 10:32:34 pm
Later, without a doubt.

If you cut back on spending now you make the current situation worse (Think the Recession of 1937) and would bulldoze any theoretical benefit (What are they, anyway?) of cutting down the deficit. By spending on proven effective and efficient programs and projects we can shorten the recession and improve the infrastructure for prosperity down the road, and have the capacity to deal with cutting the deficit then.
13805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At New Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 08:35:48 pm
Aye
13806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 08:31:31 pm
So Marokai, if I cancel the final vote you'll accept the amendment as friendly and then we can start the final vote again?

Affirmative.

Okay, the final vote is cancelled. Now it's up to you to officially accept it. Yes it's kinda annoying to post it again, but we're just doing everything by the book here.

No problem. Smiley

The SoEA's page was already updated with the legislation repealing it.

Anyways, I imagine this legislation would automatically render void all aforementioned legislation and we'd need to pass a new FTA if there's any change, correct?

Not if we add the words "at the discretion of the SoEA" (offered as friendly). That would allow the SoEA to simply change our status in relations without revoking laws.

Amendment accepted as friendly, of course. I apologize for trying to push it through without it.
13807  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 08:16:26 pm
So Marokai, if I cancel the final vote you'll accept the amendment as friendly and then we can start the final vote again?

Affirmative.
13808  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 08:00:17 pm
Abstain

I will change my vote to Aye if we may act on my amendment, proposed as friendly, to add the words "at the discretion of the SoEA." Otherwise, I cannot vote for something that would effectively repeal a number of FTAs.

So, instead, make it a bill that is effectively toothless, left at the mercy of the SoEA?

     Because of course HappyWarrior is an ardent free trader who'll basically nullify the bill, right?

Well, undoubtedly there will be other SoEAs you know Tongue

I could accept the amendment, I suppose, though I'm not thrilled about it. If MJ wants to cancel the final vote over it.
13809  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 07:29:32 pm
Abstain

I will change my vote to Aye if we may act on my amendment, proposed as friendly, to add the words "at the discretion of the SoEA." Otherwise, I cannot vote for something that would effectively repeal a number of FTAs.

So, instead, make it a bill that is effectively toothless, left at the mercy of the SoEA?
13810  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who do you think would be a better president? on: July 09, 2009, 05:24:11 pm
Tie between Gore and Mondale.
13811  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Comedy Goldmine XI: The Atlas Forum Demilitarized Zone on: July 09, 2009, 05:13:50 pm
Your theories are intriguing. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
13812  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: BrandonH (GM) (At Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 05:06:51 pm
Aye, without a doubt.
13813  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Bgwah (AG) (At Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 05:06:15 pm
A very very easy Aye.
13814  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: HappyWarrior (SoEA) (At Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 05:05:45 pm
Aye
13815  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation Hearing: Earl (SoFA) (At Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 05:05:15 pm
Aye
13816  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 05:00:19 pm
Could the nays explain themselves? Because I got nothing from you kind sirs during the long debate period. Not a big fan of teh gayz?

     Some people might consider the expansion of free trade to be a higher priority.

Line our pockets, screw the fags? Wink

Could the nays explain themselves? Because I got nothing from you kind sirs during the long debate period. Not a big fan of teh gayz?

The reason I voted Nay is because I think this would be very inneffectual in achieving anything better for Gay righths abroad.

I'm just going to hope that was a typo or a bad joke.

Quote
Most countries that do criminalise homosexuality do so for Religious reasons and many of these countries are so fervent in there beliefs that it will take more then money to shake them of that opinion. As for the last question, from the distinguished gentleman, I will decline to answer on the account that it has nothing to do with my vote here on this bill.

This is about the principle of the matter and it's about human rights. We have a trade restriction bill on the Senate floor up for a vote right now that has to do with banning companies from doing trade with Iran when it comes to communications technologies. Both yourself and MasterJedi, social conservatives both, voted in favor of such a trade restriction, yet here when we have a trade restriction bill that deals with the oppression of homosexuals, you both vote against it.

There's a double standard here that's startling. When it comes to the suppression of human rights and peaceful protests in Iran, you favor restrictions, when it comes to the violating of human rights and the oppression of a minority around the world, you're all against restrictions.
13817  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: National Special Election Booth - OFFICIAL VOTING BOOTH on: July 09, 2009, 04:30:31 pm
Official Ballot

[1] Fritz (JCP)
[2] Catmusic (JCP)
13818  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 04:13:17 pm
Could the nays explain themselves? Because I got nothing from you kind sirs during the long debate period. Not a big fan of teh gayz?
13819  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 09, 2009, 03:48:33 pm
I don't agree with DWTL on virtually anything, but he keeps things interesting and serves as a very good "loyal opposition". He belongs in the Senate.

This is why we have almost no solid left-wingers in the Senate. Smiley

I value entertainment and activity over ideology in this case. This is a game after all. Smiley

Fair point about entertainment, but this is a game that relies on new people and new faces participating in the game. We needn't elect the same old people over and over again whenever they decide to pop in and push aside others who deserve a shot.

Edit: And Yes I know Fritz used to be in Atlasia long, long ago.
13820  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fritz Campaign HQ on: July 09, 2009, 03:46:43 pm
I encourage all of you out there to vote for Fritz for the Senate.

Look, I know DWTL is something of a "legend" around here, and plenty of you out there have an unexplainable desire to see him in the Senate. But DWTL has his head stuck in the past. He was gone for awhile, and during that absence a fair bit about Atlasia changed. Petty backroom deals, hyper-partisan bickering, uncompromising childishness, these are not qualities I want in a Senator.

And shame on you if you do.

The left-wing is one of the biggest voting blocs in Atlasia, yet we are also the most under-represented. We have four conservatives, one moderate, two centrists, and two Social Democrats. Simply two, that's it. And now we want to elect another radical economic conservative with a bad attitude all in the name of entitlement. I want someone who can balance the Senate, and I want someone with a good, kind attitude. I ran last month on wanting to balance the Senate and to represent a greatly under-represented bloc in Atlasia, that voting bloc is still under-represented.

People need to stop the incomprehensible pandering to DWTL, stop the ridiculous calls for a "balance" by electing someone who will further unbalance the Senate, people need to get a grip.

Fritz is a kind guy who has came back to Atlasia and has gotten involved, he's something of a new face around here to most of us, and he belongs in the Senate. We need to stop the cycle of re-electing the same old people. (And we can do so without electing the undesirable newbies, mind you.) Atlasia has experienced an influx of new people, of new enthusiasm, and DWTL has this air about him that smells so.. six months ago.

We need to get more people involved in Atlasia. Fritz is a great guy that deserves a chance. DWTL isn't going anywhere.
13821  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 09, 2009, 03:33:40 pm
I don't agree with DWTL on virtually anything, but he keeps things interesting and serves as a very good "loyal opposition". He belongs in the Senate.

This is why we have almost no solid left-wingers in the Senate. Smiley
13822  General Politics / Economics / Re: Worst Economic President in US history on: July 09, 2009, 03:27:33 pm
     FDR, but LBJ was also trash. Clinton doesn't really deserve to be mentioned here since despite his refusal to gut entitlement programs, he did manage to balance the budget.
Balancing the budget really has little to do with the economy.

People often forget this.
13823  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of AKSaber on: July 09, 2009, 03:21:05 pm
You can put this guy in the category of:  "Who could NOT like him?" 

Thoroughly an FF.
13824  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Five Favorite/Least Favorite Forum Members on: July 09, 2009, 03:20:13 pm
Marokai Blue (resorts to ad hominem attacks rather than intelligent debate)

Just with you. Wink
13825  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Free Iranian Communications Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:14:41 pm
Aye
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