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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic New Hampshire primary results thread (polls close @7pm and 8pm ET) on: February 09, 2016, 08:07:26 pm
I suppose it's nice that evil doesn't win every battle.

Someone is butthurt while winning. Wink

It's my thing. Tongue
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic New Hampshire primary results thread (polls close @7pm and 8pm ET) on: February 09, 2016, 08:02:59 pm
I suppose it's nice that evil doesn't win every battle.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would Elizabeth Warren be doing if she was running instead of Sanders? on: February 08, 2016, 09:04:14 pm
I, at least, would happily be supporting Warren if she were running in place of Sanders, despite people thinking most of the opposition to Hillary on the left is somehow because she's a woman.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: WOW. Before the "Bernie Bro," Clinton supporters created the "Obama boy." on: February 08, 2016, 08:50:53 pm
"Some of this candidate's core supporters are fanatical and crazy!" is among the lowest forms of political analysis. You could apply it to any candidate that has a significant following in the history of ever. Mortimer is right - it's absurd people still do this. 2008 was definitely like this, with multiple candidates.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Atlas Predicts NH 2016: 'We know exactly what we're doing' on: February 08, 2016, 05:01:05 pm
Republicans:

Trump: 26
Cruz: 20
Rubio: 13
Kasich: 13
Christie: 11
Bush: 11
Carson: 5
Fiorina: 1

Democrats:

Clinton: 52
Sanders: 48
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Sandernistas react once Clinton gets the nomination? on: February 07, 2016, 11:01:57 am
I love how there's no possibility of anyone existing in between "Accept it and vote for Hillary in the end" and "Cry and whine about it for years."

I've accepted Clinton would win the nomination before this race ever began. But I will almost certainly not vote for her because I just don't support her. No crying, whining, or conspiracies necessary.

Do you really think she's just as bad as the Republicans?

No, at least not on all things, I just don't trust her. She's demonstrated terrible judgment in the past on several topics that don't separate her enough from the Right (war, civil liberties) has never been much of a crusader on social issues, always following the wave only after playing centrist to a greater extent than even many other mainstream Democrats (gay marriage, trans rights), and I find her nannyish tendencies and calculating on even such minor issues as videogames (where she followed in Joe Lieberman's footsteps) to be worrying. There is nothing about her career since being an elected politician that makes me respect her, not a single issue where I look at her position at the time and think "Yeah, right on" like there was with Obama, and like there is with Sanders. She's also just plain flip-flopped on an uncountable number of issues, and I think her "I love Wall Street because of 9/11" debate answer may as well have been ripped straight out of the GOP 2004 playbook.

The only legit argument in her favor is "Well, she's not a Republican" and considering the fact that it's unlikely she will ever get anything meaningful passed through Congress anyway, why bother voting for someone I don't like?
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Sandernistas react once Clinton gets the nomination? on: February 07, 2016, 10:21:13 am
I love how there's no possibility of anyone existing in between "Accept it and vote for Hillary in the end" and "Cry and whine about it for years."

I've accepted Clinton would win the nomination before this race ever began. But I will almost certainly not vote for her because I just don't support her. No crying, whining, or conspiracies necessary.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 02, 2016, 12:59:00 pm
I kind of agree that Clinton has a problem here in the general but it really doesn't have much to do with Bernie specifically. That's just the symptom of the underlying problem; Hillary has never been particularly popular with young people. She's very well respected by them, but most people around my age at this point pretty much just see Hillary as a calculating political animal through and though - not to mention way out of touch with their sensibilities. There's a reason that Hillary has been outflanked by candidates buoyed by young lefties twice now.

The problem in the general comes not from this huge pool of Bernie voters that are forever bitter against her (though some tiny number of them exist) but just the fact that convincing a young person that Hillary is as inspiring and worth turning out for in comparison to Obama is a tough hill to climb. She will just forever have the reputation of a person a step behind the times due to her positions on numerous things. It doesn't mean these people will vote for her opponent, but I could see plenty of apathy.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 02, 2016, 12:45:03 am
Hillary should write O'Malley a thank-you check. I'm pretty sure that without him getting 8 votes, she'd lose (assuming she doesn't lose anyway).

MSNBC is also saying Hillary won 3 delegates due to 3 different coin flips. Bernie would be winning if he would have won those 3 flips. Pretty crazy!

What a ridiculous way to elect a President. Caucuses should be abolished, tomorrow.

I can't tell if you're serious, but I agree.

Why wouldn't I be serious?

This particular board makes all sarcasm detectors go haywire. Sorry.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 02, 2016, 12:42:26 am
Hillary should write O'Malley a thank-you check. I'm pretty sure that without him getting 8 votes, she'd lose (assuming she doesn't lose anyway).

MSNBC is also saying Hillary won 3 delegates due to 3 different coin flips. Bernie would be winning if he would have won those 3 flips. Pretty crazy!

What a ridiculous way to elect a President. Caucuses should be abolished, tomorrow.

I can't tell if you're serious, but I agree.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 01, 2016, 11:21:08 pm
lmao Sanders camp are claiming a 'moral' victory.

We're not claiming it, Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd are.

Known Bernie Sanders secret agents.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 01, 2016, 11:02:50 pm
Yeah, Sanders supporters are definitely the posters coming off as full of salt in this thread, for sure.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Democratic Iowa Caucus results thread (entrance poll @8pm ET) on: February 01, 2016, 08:50:59 pm
Guys, Bernie isn't winning. Just hope that it at least gets closer.
14  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of affirmative consent/"Yes Means Yes" on: January 28, 2016, 11:05:13 pm
I'm honestly pretty unclear on how they differ from existing consent law. As far as I know they generally aren't as big of a deal as people make them out to be.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Nancy Pelosi says no to Sanders' health care proposal on: January 27, 2016, 07:36:59 pm
It's obvious who's side she's on.

Yes, she's always been in favor of the policies that will get Democrats elected all over the country because she knows that's the best way to go about passing progressive legislation.

That worked out great.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How Iowa Hijacked Our Democracy on: January 25, 2016, 09:11:22 pm
Honestly, most of my objections would be met if they just banned caucuses and had every state have a primary. I don't have a huge personal objection to Iowa going first, but I hate the Iowa caucus system.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Der Trump retweets "white genocide" tweet on: January 22, 2016, 02:05:01 pm
Only an idiot thinks a retweet is an endorsement of anything but the content of the tweet itself.

Save yourself from this board while you still can.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Labor Party Winter 2016 Convention in Dalton, Georgia on: January 21, 2016, 05:01:18 pm
x Marokai
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 21, 2016, 12:13:03 am
Has Hillary literally ever taken a risky political position? She does this with everything. Even when she's going around chest-beating about guns she's still firmly on the side of public opinion. Calling her a "champion" on gay rights is just objectively wrong.

She can paint her tweets in rainbow colors all she wants - she was never on the forefront of that fight. Ever.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 11:51:53 pm
Hillary is a feminist icon for a reason.

Why she is a gay icon, however, remains mystifying.

You want to know the real, unfiltered reason? Her biggest accomplishment on equal rights in the arena is being turned into a pop-culture icon/role-model by the LGBT community, in the mold of "big/strong/fierce/bad bitch YAAAAS". This is why she is a gay icon. I resent how so many of us do this to people who have nothing to do with our concerns.

Agreed.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:47:12 pm
Really?

Funny, this was my response IRL.

Your reasoning probably isn't wrong, it's just depressing. Hillary has done piss all for gays until it became incredibly safe to do so. She wasn't some front-liner fighting for us queers when it was scary and risky, preaching truth the power. She's as calculated as the hills are old, and the fact that she has such a large gay following speaks to nothing but that movement's general superficiality.

Right, gays are pretentious, got it.

Dude, let it go. Don't take a page our of your boy's book and attack those who aren't supporting him. It's petty.

Nothing in Bernie's comments here was an "attack." What is he supposed to say when asked why these groups aren't supporting him? Admit he's just the worst? Get f**king real.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:34:44 pm
Right, gays are pretentious, got it.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:03:19 pm
Hillary is a feminist icon for a reason.

Why she is a gay icon, however, remains mystifying.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 02:02:31 pm
Who says they're bad?

Why is Sanders taking them on?

Because they support his, established-backed, opponent? To get offended about this s**t you really have to be reaching. Granted, that's like what half of this board is dedicated to anymore.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders now attacking Planned Parenthood and the HRC on: January 20, 2016, 01:59:12 pm
Who says they're bad?
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