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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should the US accept more Syrian refugees? on: Today at 03:19:49 pm
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O’Malley wants US to take in 65,000 Syrian refugees on: Today at 03:14:23 pm
He's definitely right that we should be doing more. 65,000 people ain't that big of a deal.

Still, I do always find the immigration/refugees numbers game a weird political football sort of thing. The numbers are unfailingly arbitrary. Why 65,000? Why not 66,000? Why not 600,000? Why not 6 million? The trouble with this issue is that all of that racism and insensitivity accusations can be made with just as much validity regardless of what you're proposed number is unless it's infinite.

But yes, we should be doing much more.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are men able to have opinion of feminism? on: Today at 02:53:16 pm
Anyone should be able to have and express an opinion about whatever they want. What matters is being right or wrong, not who is expressing it.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support the EU? on: Today at 11:20:37 am
I don't really support the EU in its current form, no. As a currency union it can be truly terrible. As a trading organization that enables free movement and encourages close diplomatic ties, it can be a wonderful thing, though.
5  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Opinion of Third Wave Feminism on: Today at 11:13:37 am
I don't even know anymore. There are many feminists who are good people, and many feminists who are unbearable. Oftentimes I find third-wave feminism to be quite petty and infuriatingly Amerocentric. So many different feminisms to choose from, too. Many of them where "the belief that men and women are equal and should be treated that way" has very little to do with the things that motivate them on a daily basis. There are plenty of double-standards that contradict that, too, from the way men can be objectified, but women cannot be, to defending Islam while loathing Western Christianity.

Of course, it's really impossible to hash these contradictions out, because every other feminist has a different idea of what the word means to them.

I stopped calling myself a feminist when it became clear to me that feminism was not being used by the ones with the megaphones as a way of empowering all women to do and say what they please, because empowering people to think and act freely is not a good way of perpetuating a movement. That kind of thing disperses pretty quickly. Instead you want people to think exactly like you. So it morphs into an ideology, with a strict dogma of its own. It develops specific moral codes and recommended behaviors. Suddenly you don't want women to choose whatever they want to do, you want them to choose what you want them to do. You want to build political power and influence when given opportunities, so naturally you defend people who you perceive as on your "team" like shameless hacks. And so it all snowballs into something very uncomfortable and weird that I want nothing to do with. Statements like "feminism is not about personal choice" really put me off, even as someone who understands where the sentiment behind that statement is coming from. At times it's really made me do some serious introspection on my identity as a Socialist.

There are so many feminists who have been enabled by the internet's ease of access who say and do bats**t things and you can't call them out for it. It's almost impossible. Disagreement is frequently perceived as attack (often because they do receive unfair attacks, and so they group them all together in their mind) and feelings make reality. Unfalsifiable social theories masquerade as hard science and suddenly we're talking about shaming undesirable media out of existence. I didn't sign up for a new moral majority, I wanted a skeptical, free-thinking, self-determining rallying cry. That's what feminists often say it is, and many probably sincerely believe. But this is often not how those with the influence express their positions.

I don't know. It's a weird thing. I will say that Crabcake makes a good point, if not necessarily intended to be the direction the point was going for. First and Second wave feminism are both vastly overrated. This is often done by MRAs in particular as a rhetorical device to talk some stupid nonsense about how "feminism has lost its way" or whatever. In reality, all waves of feminism have been infested by the classists, the racists, the hysterical, the warmongers and the peaceniks, the rabidly anti-sex, and so on. In comparison to those waves, I do agree the current wave is much preferred. But even so, there are aspects of it that I find troubling and conflict with my inquisitive nature.

I will always support the equality of the sexes. By which I mean, I will interact with and judge people irrespective of their gender, and advocate for equal protection under the law, as well as equal opportunities for both in all fields. I don't think of my position on gender rights as really being "left" or "right." Embellishing statistics, regulating personal relationships, criminalizing words, shaming media you don't like out of existence, it's just not my thing. As a baby liberal teenager I was always told that was what the authoritarian Right did, and us liberals wouldn't let that happen. I was very naive.
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your Favorite Season? on: September 02, 2015, 02:48:27 pm
I love Winter and can hardly wait to have it back.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Convention for Agreement on Regional Consolidation in Atlasia (Voting) on: September 01, 2015, 11:22:47 pm
Map 6 - 9 points
Map 2 - 7 points

I don't care about the rest.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: September 01, 2015, 11:18:11 pm
Marokai Blue
9  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: New Zealand's Prime Minister favors changing the flag on: September 01, 2015, 01:18:46 pm
I absolutely adore the spiral. Y'all are crazy.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders Says He Will Not End Drone Program If Elected President on: August 31, 2015, 11:10:33 pm
I think completely ending the program would be an overreaction, anyway.
11  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Atlas Forum: Respond to this Image on: August 31, 2015, 08:19:10 am
Can we at least all agree that Presidents get too much credit AND blame (depending on the side of the aisle the person crying or praising is) for pretty much everything?

I'd say this is broadly true, but PJ is definitely right that it is largely due to Obama's stubbornness in favor of growth policies as opposed to austerity policies that the US recovery was much better than most other countries hit hard by the recession.

Of course, I don't really think the recovery is all that durable, and shouldn't inspire any kind of chest-beating, but Obama deserves a little bit of credit.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The topless parade. Pride or Shame? on: August 31, 2015, 06:15:49 am
People should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody that doesn't want to be harmed.  And actual harm, not feelings hurt harm nor offended harm.  The female breast, soft as it is, is incapable of harm.


Okay I got your point. But when a tiny boy sees a couple of kissing topless women on the street of NYC that is an actual harm for the mental health.

How? Either the kid is so young he will not be able to understand the importance of two women being topless, or he'll be old enough that he's seen plenty of that on the internet already and won't have any strange reaction to it anyway.

Ugh why did I fall for the trap of posting.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of extreme 'sensitivity' measures taken by academia on: August 29, 2015, 05:07:22 am
What's wrong with using "they"?

Also, if someone accidentally misgenders a person, I really don't think that's a problem. Misunderstandings happen. Just get corrected, apologize, accept it, and move on. It's not like an innocent misunderstanding is traumatizing.

Even so I really don't think the solution is to basically just start making up Klingon words for transgender people.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of extreme 'sensitivity' measures taken by academia on: August 28, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
I don't really have a problem with encouraging people to use gender-neutral language, but the gender neutral pronouns here are cringeworthy and there is really no way someone could convince me to say them.

LARPers use less cringey language.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this proposal on: August 27, 2015, 07:47:09 pm
I agree with everything TNF said.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Log Cabin Republicans on: August 27, 2015, 04:46:27 am
I have a similar cringey reaction to "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative" but the real issue with the LC Republicans is how utterly delusional and self-defeating their political priorities always were.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Watch Trump imitate asian negotiators broken english on: August 27, 2015, 04:41:43 am
Can we be honest here? That's not even bad at all.

I expected an over the top me-so-horny type imitation and that was nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be. This is far from Trump's worst.
18  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Sex work on: August 26, 2015, 07:21:29 pm
If that's actually sincere, then I commend you for being open-minded.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Iowa Suffolk Poll - Hillary: 54% Sanders: 20% on: August 26, 2015, 02:34:31 am
NH polling is notoriously unreliable though. If Hillary wins Iowa, I would definitely favour her to also win NH.

I tend to agree. Bernie's only hope of winning the nomination is convincing victories in both Iowa and NH. He needs that one-two punch for any hope of momentum going into the two following, minority-heavy contests. He loses either Iowa or NH and he's done, and most likely done even with them.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NC and VA GOP may demand candidates swear off 3rd party run for ballot access on: August 26, 2015, 02:29:59 am
This is completely unenforceable either way, so who cares whatever pinky swears they want to demand.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls / Re: Iowa Suffolk Poll - Hillary: 54% Sanders: 20% on: August 25, 2015, 03:21:48 pm
Looks like Sanders is stalling big time in Iowa, even while gaining nationally and especially in New Hampshire. Very good news for Clinton; things are looking very 2000-esque.

Except there was no Joe Biden-like factor in 2000.

I do think it's very weird that Clinton is supposedly doing better in Iowa than she is nationally. I find it almost impossible to believe actually.

It's very bizarre because I don't think anyone ever expected Iowa to be a stubborn Hillary state. It's never been super kind to the Clintons, and demographically you'd also expect it to be a better environment to Sanders. But here we are.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Compulsory Voting on: August 24, 2015, 10:25:15 pm
Why would voting being mandatory invalidate the better performance of their democracy? You can disagree with the measures taken to accomplish their healthier civic engagement, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

"Of course the meat packing industry is safer now that there's punitive measures against unsanitary packing procedures." Okay, and? What would your metrics for a healthy democracy be, then?
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should states be allowed to leave the USA? on: August 24, 2015, 08:58:08 pm
Obviously they don't have that right, that's not really arguable. I do think states should be able to hold a referendum on seceding if they choose, though, and the results should probably be respected.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Compulsory Voting on: August 24, 2015, 08:08:25 pm
I fail to see how forcing apathetic and uninformed people to vote helps the "health of democracy".

Australia is a pretty healthy democracy. Healthier than the US, anyway.

in what sense?

More engagement, higher participation, more varied choices?
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Women in the military: yes or no? on: August 24, 2015, 03:42:37 pm
As long as they can meet the same physical requirements as the men, sure.

This is not what is happening though, standards are constantly being dropped in the military, among police, and firefighters to allow for women to come in.

The two "first female army rangers" who just got headlines only did so because the standards were dropped to allow them to pass.

When ISIS captures our slower, weaker, weighed-down female soldiers and starts using them as baby factories and selling them into sex slavery, well, be careful what you wished for.

The standards are sexist, you see. And they don't care how many people are going to be hurt by the lowering of these standards, just like they don't care how many are hurt by affirmative action and it's promotion of race/sex over ability. To the SJW everything, including biology, is sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, ableist, and whatever new term they make up next week. They are the greatest enemy human civilization has ever faced, and almost no one cares.

There's been no evidence provided that this is actually a thing that is happening.

I could believe that some activists are calling military fitness standards sexist, considering plenty of them think air conditioning in the work-place is sexist, but until I actually see that happening this is just a strawman.
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