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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who does isidewith.com say you side with? on: Today at 05:35:31 pm
Sanders 99%
Hillary 97%
O'Malley 80%

Huckabee is somehow the highest compatible Republican at 44% while Santorum is last at 8%. However that works.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Mainstream Muslims Finally Take on Extremists on: Today at 02:03:01 pm
I just think it's ridiculous that we can be having the conversation on this website about how the exaggerated rhetoric, political extremism, and fundamentalist religious beliefs of Christians in America could conceivably lead to crazy white guys shooting up Planned Parenthood, but once you introduce Islam into the conversation, some of the same people who strongly caution about the former believe that coming to a similar conclusion about the latter is racist or Islamophobic. That there must be other reasons for why they do what they do. It's just such a strange inconsistency. (And to be fair, there are many many people who are hypocrites in the reverse, as well.)

"Well, if this was fifty years ago it would've just been something different, so blibbityblimblam" is one of the weirder defenses. It's hard for me to see this refusal to acknowledge that there is a core issue with the religion, with that worldview, and how widespread those beliefs truly are, as anything other than hyper sensitive social justice politics.

Lefties in America (and other places in the West) are perfectly capable of looking at the Planned Parenthood shooting and realizing what led to it, and are justifiably outraged. But imagine a broad swath of the world where those kinds of extremist beliefs are not only common, but state-sanctioned. Where those people control genuine patriarchal theocratic regimes and subjugate their populace on the regular. Beliefs that have been inculcated in these people all their lives spiral out of control when outside factors are introduced (be it poverty, political instability, war, some combination of all three) and those are important to consider, but it's ridiculous to pretend like extreme religious beliefs (many of which are widely believed in huge regions of the world, whether that's convenient to admit or not) aren't the largest issues here from which much of this springs.

And like I said, lefties have demonstrated they are perfectly capable of understanding these thought processes, and responding with targeting the appropriate ideologies. Provided the people involved are white.

You know, the problem in the 1930s could have been Islamism, but it was fascism.  And, we couldn't hope it went away on its own.  We couldn't send the Nazis to self-esteem classes.  Thankfully, the Islamists don't control a country as scary as Germany.  But, let's acknowledge that parts of Islam are a problem and it needs to change.

This is basically the point I was getting at, more succinctly put. Crabcake specifically understands this, if you're talking about the Nazis. She's reasonable enough to admit that whether you wanted to or not, you needed to target the ideology as harmful, regardless of how it sprung up. Yes, there were plenty of reasons why the Nazis came to power, and why their belief system spread, but at the end of the day the ideology was influential regardless and did grievous harm. So you target the ideology. But in this case, suddenly targeting the various extremist Islamic belief systems becomes problematic.

Where could this odd refusal to confront the problem be coming from, I wonder?
3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Who Would You Punch? on: Today at 12:26:10 pm
I don't think I would actually ever do it regardless, but Wil Wheaton immediately came to mind.
4  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Black Friday on: Today at 12:23:45 am
Plenty of videos from Black Friday every year (like the one here) are vulgar and gross, but I don't know, I've started seeing stuff like this as a symptom of a much greater problem. Like our growing underclass, for instance. It doesn't excuse these specific incidents but I don't really have as big of a problem with the day (which is what the thread question is actually about more broadly) in general as some people do.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Black Friday on: Today at 12:09:29 am
Honestly, for as much as I dislike its encroachment on Thanksgiving, I think the sneering people have toward Black Friday is incredibly distasteful and, to some extent, classist, and ends up annoying me far more. Yeah, I know plenty of people that keep a close eye on Black Friday deals. Because they're f**king poor and this is how they can afford what luxuries they have.
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Utilitarianism on: November 27, 2015, 02:59:27 pm
Simultaneously vapid and terrifying.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 14 year old boy arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school on: November 26, 2015, 12:19:23 pm
Yeah, the narrative that this kid was some sort of genius inventor fell apart pretty quick. This is yet another example of America's stupefying partisan politics and the desire for scoring cheap points making it difficult to rationally comment on a controversy.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Sam Harris on: November 26, 2015, 09:51:48 am
I've never cared much for him.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: College Students Are Ridiculously Infuriating Safe-Space/Mega-thread on: November 24, 2015, 02:53:48 pm
I'd be more willing to criticize the "SJW" movement if it didn't mean siding with a bunch of racists.

For every one legitimate complaint about being overly PC, there are 20 angry white kids who think concepts like not calling gay people fags, not using the N-word, not dressing up in black face, not using misogynist terms, etc. are stupid.

That's part of the problem. Reasonable people refuse to speak up and then the only people talking are extremists and trolls.

Yeah, I don't really get this attitude either. It just strikes me as profoundly intellectually lazy. We're not soldiers in trenches here. This isn't a video game or something. Disagreeing with one thing doesn't mean you're automatically taking someone else's side. This is a classic example of a false dichotomy. If someone perceives you as an MRA or a racism-enabler or something because you point out examples of them stepping over the line or using demonstrably bad logic then they're simple-minded, to put it charitably.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Five Black Lives Matter protesters shot in Minneapolis on: November 24, 2015, 10:37:56 am
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Just want to clairify something on: November 24, 2015, 04:20:07 am
I do appreciate the clarification, actually, since I've tried to use gender neutral terms to refer to you in the past out of concern I might mis-gender you. Glad you're cool with it and doing alright and all that.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which of the following terms would you use to describe your ideology? on: November 24, 2015, 04:17:48 am
Socialist/Social Democratic, Liberal, Republican, Other: Civil Libertarian, Egalitarian.
13  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Pew poll on global support for free expression on: November 21, 2015, 11:37:01 am
The number from Millennials does worry me, but I can't say it surprises me.
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Maximum wage? on: November 21, 2015, 12:15:53 am
I don't have any problem with the idea, really. But I'm also not very familiar with any proposals on this matter so it's hard to say. But sure, I could support it depending on the details.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton ‘often confused’ says staffer in email on: November 17, 2015, 09:14:45 pm
She didn't seem too confused when she humiliated the House Republicans during their amateur all-day-long clumsy attempt of an interrogation.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ethics of doxxing on: November 15, 2015, 06:45:25 pm
Incidentally, is anyone else surprised that with the advent of Facebook comments under news people are still willing to say diabolical and moronic statements connected with their real name?

This is why I don't understand why people think removing anonymity from places on the internet will reduce cyber bulling and harassment. Unless we live in some sort of cartoonishly authoritarian state where people have to sign up with their social security number just to get an authenticated internet account attached to state-owned computers there's really no way that makes much sense. People talk about Twitter all the time, but Facebook is really where the worst of it goes down. Ironic, because many activists speaking up about this problem get what they want with Facebook - much more tools for dealing with problems, perhaps the best privacy options for social media of them all, better moderation and oversight in general, less anonymity - and yet its the easiest and perhaps most common way to find ways to do damage to someone.

As for the question, I don't really think it's good unless its in the public interest. As in, if the person is a politician or something and they've done something especially galling or hypocritical or whatever; this is sort of the reasoning for why I support outing hypocritical politicians or influential people. But I think this is a dangerous road to go down. It can be made to sound perfectly reasonable, sometimes, but ultimately what it boils down to is someone saying "Well, I think an employer should be notified if the employee says something I disagree with strongly." If the person is actually personally threatening to kill muslims, then that's another thing, but I don't think this is something people should be doing and I do find it a little scary. I don't want to be fired because my employer is a conservative and people letterbombed the office with examples of my tweets or something.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures (2015) on: November 03, 2015, 12:04:57 am
^ Fair point.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures (2015) on: November 02, 2015, 11:51:37 pm
The best case scenario if both 2 and 3 pass (which I think is pretty likely, personally) is a long protracted legal battle.

Issue 2 was crafted by the Republican legislature themselves as a direct response to the marijuana legalization initiative gaining steam. Nearly all of its official support comes from Republicans or right-leaning organizations. It defines some ridiculous, vague standard of how ballot initiatives cannot create any "monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel" and even directly addresses Issue 3 in its text.

  • Prohibit from taking effect any proposed constitutional amendment appearing on the November 3, 2015 General Election ballot that creates a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel for the sale, distribution, or other use of any federal Schedule I controlled substance.

Wow I really wonder what they're referring to.

Oh, and who gets to determine what is a "monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel" is the "bipartisan" ballot board, not any group of actual legal merit. If they just decide that's the case, then suddenly voters have to approve of two simultaneous amendments. What purpose does this serve except to arbitrarily limit direct democracy? I don't even like direct democracy all that much but this is just transparent.

The Republican Party hasn't cared about limiting the power of monopolies or oligopolies since maybe the dawn of the 20th century. This doesn't even affect any current businesses, of course, because that would create conflict with their business-class base, so they made sure it would only affect anything directly approved by the voters, so all present effective monopolies (like cable companies) are untouched. It's a totally naked attempt at seeing where the wind is blowing on issues like marijuana legalization and using their power as legislators to f**k with the voters' heads.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures (2015) on: November 02, 2015, 09:15:19 pm
They are undeniably good at what they do.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures (2015) on: November 02, 2015, 09:08:43 pm
If you're voting yes on 2, you're effectively negating 3.

Issue 2 is a complete farce concocted by the Republicans specifically to confuse the electorate into invalidating marijuana legalization even if it does pass, in addition to making future citizen's initiatives harder to qualify for passage. It's just another way for Republicans to restrict voters' power.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures (2015) on: November 01, 2015, 01:33:02 pm
Aren't 2 and 3 contradictory?

See how the endorsements of Issue 2 are almost entirely Republicans?

Yeah, there's a reason for that.
22  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Ohio Ballot Measures on: October 31, 2015, 09:46:13 pm

I'm sympathetic to 2, but it would almost certainly create a legal mess invalidating 3, which I consider more important at the moment.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: When when Marco Rubio implode? on: October 31, 2015, 01:33:41 pm
Is there anything to implode? He's been hovering at roughly the same position for months, his campaign lacks any kind of central message, and despite the fact that the pundits love talking about him as the Republican Obama because he's young and a minority, he's a terrible speaker with no presence.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton allies continue to shout "sexism" at Bernie Sanders on: October 30, 2015, 04:09:46 pm
Whether or not it is something doesn't mean I want to encourage it being that way, or enjoy it as if it were a reality show.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton allies continue to shout "sexism" at Bernie Sanders on: October 30, 2015, 04:07:34 pm
I don't view politics as a game.
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