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26  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders hires new black press secretary (who supports BLM) on: August 15, 2015, 06:01:33 pm
This is blatant pandering to blacks and if Clinton did it she'd be attached mercilessly.

Like I said before:

What an unbelievably patronising thread. Hardly any better than the "still on the plantation" rhetoric you hear from the right. The idea that black people will vote for someone just because you show people a couple of pictures of them and Jesse Jackson together is patently absurd and takes the audience for easily swayed simpletons.

It's clear that Sanders' approach to appealing to black voters is highly superficial and will not work.

Talking about issues doesn't work.

Straight up pandering  doesn't work.

So how DO you win the Black vote?

Apparently the only way is to be related to previous Democratic president and have 100% name recognition.

This is one of those impossible logic circles. It's like accusing someone of being an addict apropos of nothing and then responding to anything they say with "Oh, well that's exactly what an addict would say."

The people who have decided Bernie has an issue with black people require no proof, and no counter evidence will sway them.
27  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you like Sanders? on: August 15, 2015, 05:59:39 pm
No, I don't care for his elitist personality. Every time he's interviewed it's always "The majority of people agree with us!". Just shut up with that.

The appropriate word is "populist." "Elitist" doesn't make any sense in this context.
28  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this image on: August 14, 2015, 02:30:01 pm
I'm sorry, I just can't truck with the argument of "If we give people more information, they might make decisions that hurt certain businesses. Better to keep them in the dark for their own good."

Have you glanced at many ingredients labels lately? At a random glance at box dinners, cakes mixes, cans of soup or vegetables, there's all sorts of terms completely lost on a layman that sounds nuts. It doesn't stop 99% of people from eating it. Most of anything in them is completely harmless and will almost never hurt a person's health. But we include that information because we believe consumers have a right to know what they're buying.

Refusing to tell people certain things are in their food only reinforces the perception that big business interests are trying to get one over on them. That it's something they have to hide. Start slapping an asterisk saying a product has been genetically modified on every other item in the produce section and people will move on with their lives, realizing that lettuce they've been eating since they were 9 hasn't made them grow a toe on their forehead, and they'll move on. Maybe some incredibly small portion of the public will adjust their buying habits, but that's their prerogative. It wouldn't "confuse" consumers anymore than what they already see is in the food they buy. What else should we hide? That there's titanium dioxide in pizza crusts?
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Broad Bipartisan Support for Expanded Background Checks, Poll Shows on: August 14, 2015, 01:14:54 pm
There's always been broad support among the public for more gun regulations. For various unfortunate reasons that never translates into actual legislative action, though.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this image on: August 14, 2015, 12:16:02 pm
If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, disagreement on a single issue means being cast out. Classy. 

Nobody gets to determine who's left wing or not, that's not how ideology works. I still think of myself and call myself left wing, if that bothers you, its your problem, not mine.

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Another Bernie Sanders thread, another set of hysterical criticisms. He supports GMO labels, so he's basically as bad as anti-vaxxers. Okay guys.
If you actually read what's being said, you'll see that people are saying the exact opposite of this, that anti-vaxxers are worse. 

So far, people on this board have determined Bernie Sanders: has issues with black people, wants to close the borders because he hates mexicans, and now apparently is anti-GMO. You can't just disagree with him, or take his statements for what they are, everything that comes out of his mouth (or in this case, his facebook page) must be indicative of the most cartoonishly stupid position possible.

Bernie Sanders is some old boring socialist activist/harmless hippy and some posters have actually called him "despicable." The hyperbole here drives me up a wall.
31  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this image on: August 14, 2015, 12:11:12 pm
If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't realize that entering the left required one to leave any understanding of science at the door.

I can think of few other positions as stereotypically "American Progressive" in origin than comprehensive food labeling.

I didn't realize to support an asterisk underneath the food ingredients label saying the product has been genetically modified in some way required thinking GMOs were killing us all. I'm not asking for a f**king 20-point font size warning with a skull and crossbones slapped on top of chicken tenders.
32  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Should it be legal for race to be a criteria in sperm donor request? on: August 13, 2015, 11:50:14 pm
I'm pretty uncomfortable with the entire idea of sperm donations, actually. Voted no.

Interesting, I don't think I've heard an argument against them before. Why?
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Union of Concerned Scientists on: August 13, 2015, 10:45:28 pm
People should have a right to know what is in the food they're purchasing, regardless of whether I think they're being paranoid or not.

The "if consumers see the GMO label, they might think its bad for them" argument is a f**king joke that libertarians would make. GMOs are (pretty much) safe as far as we know, but the argument against allowing that to be on food labels is to basically say the stability of the holy free market is of higher consequence than a basic consumer right.
34  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of this image on: August 13, 2015, 10:39:48 pm
If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.

Another Bernie Sanders thread, another set of hysterical criticisms. He supports GMO labels, so he's basically as bad as anti-vaxxers. Okay guys.

And it's the supporters of Bernie that are supposed to be insufferable.
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders hires new black press secretary (who supports BLM) on: August 13, 2015, 11:55:13 am
"I have black friends, I'm not racist"


-The most white thing Bernie could possibly do.

If this is how people are actually going to respond then there really is literally nothing Bernie could do.
36  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's the most you've ever spent on booze? on: August 13, 2015, 11:53:24 am
Zero.
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Single Transferable Vote vs Mixed Member Proportional Vote on: August 13, 2015, 11:51:42 am
I prefer STV but I feel like that's the main one people look at like "THAT THERE IS SO CONFUSING I DUNNO HOW IT WORKS THERE'S TOO MANY NUMBERS!".
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders hires new black press secretary (who supports BLM) on: August 13, 2015, 11:50:03 am
Bernie has very effectively dealt with BLM criticism. He's not fallen into any of the traps.
39  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ohio to have recreational marijuana legalization referendum in 2015 on: August 13, 2015, 03:28:54 am
This is a very ...  peculiar referendum, and not one that I would immediately favour. Basically it legally caps the amount of marijuana farms to just ten wealthy investors. Because of this, a lot of people are calling this that old canard "crony capitalist".

Yeah I don't really like this for this exact reason. I would much prefer something along the line of Colorado than this stuff.
40  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Black Lives Matter on: August 13, 2015, 02:55:25 am
Alrighty.

If you (hypothetical collective plural) are really loud and insistent about how fond you are of black people...
...why do you live in a place with no black people? 

...probably because the circumstances of our living arrangements are a series of coincidences or a result of where we were born?
41  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Black Lives Matter on: August 13, 2015, 12:39:06 am
The weirder thing is that he's responding to people who have a positive opinion of it. What point was he even trying to make?
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Black Lives Matter on: August 11, 2015, 05:31:45 pm
I have a net-positive view of it.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who will win the Canadian Federal Election on: August 11, 2015, 01:42:57 pm
Could the Liberals work with Tories, but force them to choose a less polarising leader to be PM (maybe someone from their Red Tory wing?)

LOL no. We'd go into opposition instead & tell them to fyck off.

Not to mention that most of the Liberal voters left would blow up. They would just be solidifying their position as the third party.
44  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who will win the Canadian Federal Election on: August 10, 2015, 04:53:41 pm
Since this is Canada I'll just go with an out-of-nowhere prediction of a Liberal government of some kind.
45  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders bullied off stage by black lives matter protesters on: August 09, 2015, 04:54:00 pm
I wish Bernie showed some backbone, kinda disappointed he just let them take over his event like that.
What was he supposed to do? Shove them off the stage? He stood there respectfully for 20 minutes, the arguably best thing to do.

Calling security would have been the best coarse of action

That's the problem. These people are protesting about police brutality so he can't do that. Even if it's a private security firm, it's still going to look very bad. These people are obviously not going to go down quietly, they will resist being taken away, they may even hurt themselves in the process. Say they do end up getting a twisted arm or a Black eye in the process of flailing around, in the current atmosphere of the left, even if it's apparent that they did it to themselves, you can't say anything negative about Black activists. The whole story will be "BLM activists injured by security at Bernie Sanders rally". He won't be able to refute it, he knows that, that's why he never criticizes these people, he just walks away and says nothing, that's all he can do.

This is unfortunately true. If the protesters were forcibly removed it would be a story plastered all over Vox in a heartbeat.
46  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's the most you've ever spent on shoes? on: August 09, 2015, 09:07:11 am
I've always found the obsession with super expensive shoes to be really silly, as I do with the obsession over expensive fashion in general.

I pretty much always shop at discount shoe stores. Most of my shoes cost like $25 and last years. I spent $40 on a pair of boots during the winter and thought that was way too much, but for boots there aren't many options below that unless you get them at a thrift store.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why does Black Lives Matter go after lefty Democrats? on: August 09, 2015, 08:20:57 am


The candidate whose campaign leaked that photo and others to fear monger to conservative Democrats is the candidate that has always consistently respected black people, you guys.
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie Sanders bullied off stage by black lives matter protesters on: August 09, 2015, 08:15:31 am
I think referring to Sanders' past support for civil rights causes when it was far less politically rewarding to do so is relevant in the context of a lot of people genuinely assuming the guy is a secret racist.

I think it's fair to say that Sanders' hasn't really been super specific on this issue (though not for lack of caring about the issue; it's just not what he's devoted literally his entire time to as a politician in the spotlight) but the fact that this is happening in a primary battle against Hillary Clinton is hilarious, because by absolutely no measure has Hillary's actions on this issue been any better. Sure, she's sucked up to a lot of rainbow coalition demographics since her campaign kicked off, but this is the woman who happily played race with Obama (remember when it was super obvious the Clinton campaign leaked those pictures of Obama in african garb, or whatever?) during their 2008 battle. The fact that Bernie, who has held solid and respectful positions about these issues going back for decades, is the one being painted as the candidate with the lack of respect for race, while his main opposition has demonstrated a total lack of respect for race outside of early campaign policy drafts that don't matter at all at this point, is pretty f**king sad.

Bernie is the best candidate for the left, and is the only one willing to go to more root causes of inequality as opposed to band-aid solutions, and it seems the left will happily run in the arms of a person who would sell them out for a few more percentage points if she could, instead.

Anyone being intellectually honest (which is not an activists' strong suit) knows Bernie supports all the things Hillary does on this issue and more. He's just not very good at selling that to people. Though admittedly, that's difficult to do when you're ran off stages by people who won't let you speak.
49  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: August 2015 Federal Special Election - At-large Senate on: August 07, 2015, 10:36:10 am
1. Harry S. Truman
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Sanders to speak at Liberty University, the largest evangelical college on: August 06, 2015, 04:55:14 pm
Sure, why not.

I have immense respect for people who take their message to those they know probably don't agree with them. More people should do this.

Really? When Republicans go to speak to Blacks or Hispanics you don't just make fun of them?

As for the article, why does it say he is atheist? He's Jewish...

I would only make fun of someone doing that if they went full Mitt Romney "who let the dogs out" awkward. I didn't necessarily like Rand's speaking to the NAACP but that wasn't because I wanted to mock him, I just didn't agree with his message. It was still good of him to try, though.
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