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26  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of making posts with ">" on: March 17, 2015, 02:10:46 am
I do find it pretty unpleasant, aesthetically, if nothing else. In general there are way better ways to make a point.
27  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: March 17, 2015, 02:03:11 am
Whether or not this is the intention is besides the point, whenever you use the term "political correctness", a phenomenon that doesn't have a basis in reality,

As insufferable (and usually bigoted) as the right-wing critics of "political correctness" usually are, this is demonstrably false.

Your opinion has layers of nuance and complexity to it and is therefore uncomfortable and wrong.
28  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 14, 2015, 10:44:43 pm
Please, you were obviously running defense for him (we can quibble over the semantics of "furiously"– your word, not mine, mind– but that's a strawman), what you've just said is fair as far as it goes but is also clearly a backpedal. As for disingenuous, I'd take a look at your own characterizations of feminism (and seeming willingness to always give their critics the benefit of the doubt, but never vice versa) first before you start throwing around accusations.

Also, nice sig.  I still don't have the time to properly respond, IRL is busy at the moment, but fine, at some point I'll necro that thread and give it the thorough response it apparently needs.

I was defending him insofar as I was giving my opinion on what I felt was ignorance about him (which continued, you know; he lives in Ohio, not Louisiania as one poster said, and BRTD accused him of being a Randian, which is completely off base and once again something you can only know by not watching anything about him) but I feel no personal attachment toward the guy. I'm a pedant who gets easily animated over small things, if anything. I do the same thing whenever there's a thread about Bill Maher, actually. When you say 'running defense' I think of Libertas' obsessive paragraphs-long screeds to every tiny thing ever said about him. And saying that he's a dick isn't a backpedal if I've always thought that.

It isn't so much that I insist on giving people the benefit of the doubt for biased reasons, but merely think if you're going to hate on someone you should have a basic amount of knowledge about what they've actually done themselves that's worth disliking. You seem to have some sort of really f**ked up perception of me; I'm interested in these topics because they fascinate me and I like reading about them, not because I'm in this to hate on people, so it does get me upset when someone like Beet implies that of course I would like/be a rape apologist, because I... criticized statistics on wage gaps? What an outrageous drive-by character assassination. Arguably s**tposting. But I make dishonest characterizations?

And if you want to know the reasoning behind that quote in my sig, it wasn't to bait you into responding, it was because it reminded me of something Madeleine said awhile back:
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The position that I took in the thread about the Pope's comments on the Charlie Hebdo massacre (which is in U.S. General for some reason) is one that I genuinely hold but that I'm having such difficulty coherently defending that I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that I'm not fit to argue my beliefs and values in this venue any longer. I'm despairing of being able to present my beliefs and values in a cogent or convincing light, and I've developed the suspicion that, by trying and failing, I'm not living up to them.

You "disagree in ways that are strong but hard to coherently articulate" because you disagree in ways that are emotional and based on a slew of unfalsifiable claims, many of which you have already concluded were true before you ever tried forming the argument in the first place. This is largely why most of your disagreements with me that you did bother posting were nitpicks, clearly separate from the thrust of my point, disagreements that invented things I didn't say out of thin air, or drumming outrage over my use of certain terms (like my use of "clean cut" in reference to a fictional scenario, instead of directly responding to the thought experiment, which you basically just ignored).

For me, the idea of "disagreeing strongly but being unable to articulate why" is a kind of terrifying notion (as it was for Madeleine), because that could potentially mean I've either lost the ability to substantively demonstrate the validity of my beliefs and are no longer keeping my thoughts grounded, or that my beliefs can no longer actually be logically demonstrated in real terms to begin with. I would humbly suggest to you the idea that it might be worth reflecting on.

If you ever do return to that topic (which, seriously, is not that big of a deal, dude) I hope you do so with an interest in actually having a genuine give and take on what I was saying, instead of just trying to make a flashy coup-de-grâce. Because I actually really like reading discussions on those topics when all parties involved are being honest with each other, and I don't think we really disagree on much at all when it comes to the substantive things we need to do for women in society, or the things that can at least be clearly demonstrated to exist.
29  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Antonio on: March 14, 2015, 12:32:51 pm
An absolutely delightful, good-hearted individual who is very smart and has contributed a lot to this forum. One of my earliest forum friends. I treasure his presence around here. FF.
30  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: March 2015 At-Large Special Senate Election on: March 13, 2015, 10:22:43 pm
1. Adam Griffin
2. Foucaulf
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 13, 2015, 05:40:31 pm
Dude, Marokai, even Hockeydude can tell this guy's a chode.

This is really not the hill you want to die on.

When did I deny that he's a chode? Depicting me as furiously running defense for him and "dying on this hill" is a fairly disingenuous depiction of my posts in this thread; though this has never stopped you before. Dude's a dick, I just enjoy his show.
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LOL @ "social science" on: March 12, 2015, 09:59:16 pm

This woman sounds like Becky Fischer from Jesus Camp.
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 12, 2015, 09:30:49 pm

And for whatever it's worth (not much) he's apologized for that statement like a million times.

needs more quotation marks

He's gone on the record on his podcast and elsewhere that he privately apologized to the person and hasn't bothered defending it anytime recently. He's said it was vile and stupid and apologized; this is even openly stated in the second link you (no doubt scurried to find without thoroughly reading) posted. What's your point? I'm certainly not here saying it was any kind of acceptable.
34  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 12, 2015, 08:56:42 pm
When did I say I agreed with everything he said or even liked him personally? I watched his videos (his podcast, mostly, because they have interesting guests and it has a much more substantive tone) because they are interesting and cover topics I'm interested in.

And for whatever it's worth (not much) he's apologized for that statement like a million times.

Who is this person, and why am I not surprised Marokai is defending him? Shocked

Honestly if you think I'm some sort of rape apologist for doing nothing more than making incredibly light critiques of feminism you should go f**k yourself. What a preposterous view of anyone you disagree with.
35  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of poutine on: March 12, 2015, 07:42:19 pm
I enjoyed it when I had the opportunity to try it.
36  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of The Amazing Atheist on: March 11, 2015, 05:41:42 pm
Seemingly hated by people who know the least about him.

He's not nearly as bad as painted, and I like listening to him. You don't need to agree with, or even particularly like, individuals that you find interesting to listen to; I think I actually have one of his books around here somewhere. In fact, I think it's better to listen to people you have healthy disagreements with instead of people who will merely reinforce things you already believe. But of course, breaking through popular perception of him requires a smidgen of intellectual curiosity...
37  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Adam Kokesh on: March 11, 2015, 05:39:03 pm
I find him interesting to listen to even if I agree with very little of what he's most enthusiastic about.
38  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of oakvale (new poll) on: March 10, 2015, 10:54:52 pm
For whatever reason my opinion of him has improved quite a bit over the last year.
39  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Your opinion of "We came, we saw, he died"? on: March 09, 2015, 07:07:14 pm
I'm glad that Gaddafi is dead, but this is an unpleasant reminder of just how crude and inappropriately melodramatic the rhetoric from our national politicians tends to be. I already miss Obama.
40  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your Sexuality and Gender Identity? on: March 09, 2015, 04:38:38 pm
My objection to using the term is not only that it's frequently superfluous (which it is, of course) but rather that, if gender identity is immaterial to how you should treat individuals, why the obsession with using a term that by it's nature divides people into "true" gender or "trans" gender? If you identify as a man I'll perceive you as a man and that's all that matters, and vice versa. I don't really think it matters in practice how you arrived at that point as far as my personal treatment toward you goes. The use of the term is incredibly pedantic academic, and in academia is where it should remain.
41  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban CJK on: March 08, 2015, 04:26:28 pm
The issue is that this (the direct implication that racial integration was not 'common sense') verges on explicit racism, of which this forum has historically been less tolerant than explicit homophobia.


Yeah, while I obviously understand the background for it, I really despise the:

1) racism

2) homophobia



3) sexism/misogyny

Hierarchy of unacceptability.

They should be on par.

Agreed, and the forum really needs to change its rules/culture regarding that.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Julia Gillard on: March 07, 2015, 05:26:43 pm
I've always really liked her. Shame about the circumstances she was stuck in, but she seemed like a great person.
43  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best New Deal Program? on: March 07, 2015, 04:03:01 am
The one that continues to keep tens of millions of Americans out of poverty, of course.
44  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins on: March 06, 2015, 05:13:58 pm
The frequency of casual sexism that comes from Quebec politicans in particular is amusing, in a sad way.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Poor Kids of Silicon Valley on: March 05, 2015, 12:16:12 am
What in the f**k is this manner of presentation? Is CNN experimenting with the "child's picture book" format of dispensing news?
46  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How often should a legislature be elected? on: March 03, 2015, 05:24:23 pm
3-4 years seems fine to me.
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Red Pillite vs SJW on: March 02, 2015, 05:14:24 pm
I can't imagine a Red Piller would handle a campaign particularly well. In my experience they tend to be fairly aggressive and unlikeable across the board, whereas "SJWs" are a bit more coy with their intellectual dishonesty. That, and there's much more of a spectrum with the latter group; legit Red Pillers are actually an incredibly small group of people. As Cory said, there's just more of a natural base for the latter.
48  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: In general (not just dating), do nice guys finish last? on: March 01, 2015, 01:23:57 pm
49  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Hillary Become 'Mommy President' to Millennials? on: March 01, 2015, 10:08:04 am
This is what some millenials most fear... her former positions on issues like video games and pot are going to feed some of the worst nightmares of the castrating mommy/nurse ratchet authority figure. I think she's too old for that though.

Oh I don't know; there's something of a revival with video game fearmongering these days, counter-intuitively, among millennials.
50  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which left is your favorite? on: February 27, 2015, 08:06:18 am
Old Left, ie those who actually got sh*t done.
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