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26  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canadian federal election - 2015 on: June 05, 2015, 03:45:41 pm
Obviously it's impossible to really know and incredibly unlikely to happen, but I feel like if we literally ended up with a CPC-NDP tie, IMO there is no way a Conservative government is allowed to happen, especially after just seeing the near-vaporizing of the Liberal Democrats in the UK. If the Liberals allowed that, it would completely devastate them and ruin their credibility from the perspective of any anti-Conservative voter. You'd probably just end up with an NDP minority for like ~18 months until either the Conservatives or Liberals felt like striking again.

There's also like a 2% chance you'd have some sort of working coalition deal between the NDP and the Liberals but that is so unlikely given who leads either of those parties that it's not worth considering. But maybe in the event of a near or exact tie it would increase those odds. Who knows.
27  General Politics / Individual Politics / Transableism. on: June 03, 2015, 11:40:23 pm
So this is a thing I just discovered as real.

Quote from: NationalPost
OTTAWA — When he cut off his right arm with a “very sharp power tool,” a man who now calls himself One Hand Jason let everyone believe it was an accident.

But he had for months tried different means of cutting and crushing the limb that never quite felt like his own, training himself on first aid so he wouldn’t bleed to death, even practicing on animal parts sourced from a butcher.

“My goal was to get the job done with no hope of reconstruction or re-attachment, and I wanted some method that I could actually bring myself to do,” he told the body modification website ModBlog.

His goal was to become disabled.

People like Jason have been classified as ‘‘transabled’’ — feeling like imposters in their bodies, their arms and legs in full working order.

“We define transability as the desire or the need for a person identified as able-bodied by other people to transform his or her body to obtain a physical impairment,” says Alexandre Baril, a Quebec born academic who will present on “transability” at this week’s Congress of the Social Sciences and Humanities at the University of Ottawa.

“The person could want to become deaf, blind, amputee, paraplegic. It’s a really, really strong desire.”


Many people, like One Hand Jason, arrange “accidents” to help achieve the goal. One dropped an incredibly heavy concrete block on his legs — an attempt to injure himself so bad an amputation would be necessary. But doctors saved the leg. He limps, but it’s not the disability he wanted.

The transabled are very secretive and often keep their desires to themselves, Baldwin says. One 78-year-old man told Baldwin he’d lived with the secret for 60 years and never told his wife.

Some of his study participants do draw parallels to the experience many transgender people express of not feeling like they’re in the right body.

I'm more interested in reading thoughts about this, particularly from certain posters, because I don't quite know what to make of this, personally.
28  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Canada vs. USA Multiparty Systems on: June 03, 2015, 02:16:07 pm
For one thing, Canada's political structures don't really punish third (and fourth.. and fifth..) parties in the way American election and governing institutions do. It's a lot easier to form and fund a political party because of the differences in campaign laws and how long campaigns are in the first place. When elected the threshold for official party status, and the powers that gives, is also far more lenient. I'm unclear on how multiple parties would even work in the US Senate, for instance. It doesn't appear to even be designed for it.

Overall size is also a factor. It's easier to get momentum when the population is a tenth of the size and local and provincial government works a lot differently.

One of the biggest things though, and this is where Canada is actually fairly unique and fascinating to me, is that Canada is very willing to swing wildly and throw old political loyalties away out of nowhere. This is just a cultural difference and it's a bit of a mystery to me exactly why this is the case. Canadians, in general, are very open to changing their votes and telling incumbents to f**k off. Look at the number of provinces who have swung around a number of times. Quebec in particular is a graveyard of political parties on both the federal and provincial level. Prior to 1984 they're the haven of the Liberals, then they landslide over to the PCs, then in '93 landslide over to the Bloc, then in 2011 landslide over to the NDP. It's a very peculiar way for a population to vote and I'm mystified as to why a lot of places in Canada are like that, but at least it's entertaining to watch.
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California raises smoking age to 21 on: June 03, 2015, 01:35:44 pm
I would actually be far more receptive to banning tobacco (which I still wouldn't support despite loathing the stuff) than I would be to raising the smoking age to 21, which on top of being wasteful of law enforcement resources and vindictive toward those of age who are already smoking, doesn't really accomplish much and having minimum age laws above 18 is just generally stupid. Overall though, I think society has done a hell of a job toward reducing the amount of smokers all without prohibition, and we can continue to do so. This is all just unnecessary nannyism. Well-intentioned, but dumb.
30  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart? on: June 03, 2015, 10:48:13 am
and then speculate on how we should believe rape victims less due to said pattern.

Huh? Where was this argued?

What do you think is being argued, exactly?

You certainly seem to think the article is arguing we shouldn't believe rape accusations because high profile ones have come apart from scrutiny. Or, at least, should believe them less. The central question of the article doesn't make that judgment.

I love how contrarian you are.

Whether Jackie from U. Va was lying has nothing to with whether Susie from U. Kentucky is.

I don't disagree. We should just maybe hold off on making Susie from U. Kentucky into a national story until it's properly investigated.
31  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Tobacco Purchase Age on: June 03, 2015, 10:18:20 am
I don't personally disagree with you. I just don't care for implementing my own subjective tastes into law.
32  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Tobacco Purchase Age on: June 03, 2015, 10:14:22 am
marijuana has a lot of carcinogens and negative effects on your lungs and sex drive too. its just not as likely to kill you.. there is a great deal of hypocrisy and inane tribalism involved in this issue.

Plus, almost any f**king drug is poisonous to you to a certain degree. Alcohol is one of the prime offenders, and there's absolutely nothing that stops people from drinking themselves, literally, to death. Does Lief now support banning alcohol?

His political transformation over the last couple years has been ridiculous. The position doesn't even make sense. BRTDs positions make even less.
33  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart? on: June 03, 2015, 09:31:46 am
and then speculate on how we should believe rape victims less due to said pattern.

Huh? Where was this argued?

I was never "on board" with any of the high profile campus rape cases - I think resting one's case on a scenario that one can never know is always risky, and when these high profile cases do do good, it's as much a matter of good luck as anything - however, I now that the pendulum has swung in the other direction, I think now is the time more than ever to support victims of campus rape. If I were a student on campus, I most likely would not have joined such a cause in 2014, but I would today.

I love how contrarian you are.
34  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Huckabee-I wish I was Trans-gendered on: June 03, 2015, 08:19:54 am
Huckabee is so terrible.
35  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart? on: June 03, 2015, 07:12:08 am
I think the article largely answers its own question there. A large part of why these big, high profile stories fall apart is the desire to find the "perfect, emblematic" story. The story of an innocent, downtrodden girl, preyed on by a privileged attacker, who is ignored and dismissed by the uncaring school authorities. It's a very touching, sad story, but unfortunately reality doesn't fit so neatly into the narrative that many activists like to paint. Rape incidents are often ambiguous and complicated, and the ones that really gain traction are often those that like to craft a David vs. Goliath style story.

I think there's also a fifth reason you could suggest, cobbled together through some of the isolated thoughts of the piece and the top comment: A lot of prominent cases activists like to champion are very messy, ambiguous affairs that women are always being told are rape. Drunk sex isn't always rape, regretting a sexual encounter after the fact isn't always rape, consent can't be removed days after the fact, and unwanted touching or kissing isn't what the legal system would consider rape, either. The term "rape" has been stretched a lot by activists to encompass a lot of things that courts don't actually consider rape. It's made dealing with investigating and punishing these cases a lot more difficult, and a lot of women who have been raped aren't being believed because of cases like these, where incidents are being taken advantage of for the purposes of a propaganda war than genuine interest in solving the problem in an intellectually honest way.

That's 3 cases over 9 years, no?  What about the other 2 million rapes that happened in this country between 2006 and 2015?

Hence the term "high profile."
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: California raises smoking age to 21 on: June 03, 2015, 03:05:58 am
I'm not a person who views individual freedom as a quaint little outdated concept, so I think this is stupid. This is another example of why I find myself increasingly at odds with modern American "liberals." It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that it comes from California.

also this forum is obsessed with drinking/smoking ages.

This is such a strawman that reminds me of how people acted like Afleitch and others were "obsessed" with circumcision as a political issue. Very few people are "obsessed" with the drinking/smoking age laws, it's just that they get practically no pushback in modern American political discourse and the rationale behind them being where they are has always been BS. Particularly since now there are likely hundreds of thousands of 18-20 year olds that have been smoking for a long time now that could soon get a heretofore legal and largely accepted activity outright criminalized. Obviously doesn't affect me, but I feel bad for them. This whole thing is stupid and misguided, and I would've expected it from Republicans first.

I can't imagine how anyone looked at the drinking age being 21 and thought "that's been a smashing success that totally exists for sensible reasons and doesn't at all waste our time; let's apply it to something else now too!" Meanwhile the rest of the world with a sensible drinking age laughs at us even more.
37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SCOTUS rules in favor of man who posted violent threats on Facebook on: June 01, 2015, 10:29:31 am
They made the right decision.
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Lindsey Graham announces presidential candidacy on: June 01, 2015, 10:17:15 am
Gosh, I can hardly wait until he's inevitably outed over the course of this.
39  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Where does everyone get the notion that Lindsay Graham is gay? on: June 01, 2015, 07:08:19 am
Some stereotypes do exist for a reason, however fair that is.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Americans are now majority Pro-Choice again on: May 29, 2015, 08:12:23 pm
46% of women must be internal misogynists.
41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is SSM such a big deal? on: May 28, 2015, 10:57:00 pm
You do realize that the amount of gay people who are harassed or even outright banned from showing their affection in public far outnumber the reverse, right? And that that reverse number is practically non-existent?

Does that excuse what happened in the Castro?

Who here is excusing it? Ironically, you, the most anti-PDA poster here, are the one making a fuss about it. Why does it bother you, of all people?

pop culture and daily life are much more saturated with depictions of "straight love" and "straight propaganda." Hmmm...

Because it is less overt. There are no straight pride parades. There is no in your face activity, whether you like it or not. If there were, I'd say the very same thing.

There is literally no way to argue that portrayals of affection in gay relationships in media are more overt or explicit than hetero ones.
42  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of West Virginia on: May 28, 2015, 08:11:27 pm
A state with immense natural beauty, and soul-crushing poverty. I like WV in the end and consider it sort of an honorary home state for as long as I lived close to the border. It's easy to pick on for understandable reasons, but there's still something special buried within.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is SSM such a big deal? on: May 28, 2015, 07:10:26 pm
If two straight people kiss in Chelsea or the Castro, nobody is going to scream at them or attack them.  That could absolutely happen to two gay people in many, many places around America.

San Francisco bar owner in the Castro demanded straight people stop kissing. http://youtu.be/Cdt-KqccS2Y

You do realize that the amount of gay people who are harassed or even outright banned from showing their affection in public far outnumber the reverse, right? And that that reverse number is practically non-existent?
44  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton utters Southern-sounding racist remarks toward Obama, whites in SC on: May 27, 2015, 09:27:19 pm
I simply cannot believe that she said this.  I am shocked  by it. Who is she trying to pander to?

Haha!  Are you serious?

What if a RWer said what she said about people being blacker? Would you be okay with that?

Especially from someone who had the race card pulled on her in SC by Obama brigade. You should be better than this, Mrs Clinton.

Did you actually watch the video?
45  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Kansas on: May 27, 2015, 06:28:03 pm
Well you know I guess since I'm not from Kansas I really can't say.
46  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Chinese nationalism? on: May 27, 2015, 06:00:39 pm
I'm not Chinese, so why should I have an opinion on this?

Oh come on.
47  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which of the two above posters would you choose as a dormmate? on: May 26, 2015, 11:25:30 pm
Having a Mormon as a roomie might be fun.
48  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Boston University professor: White Males a "problem population" on: May 26, 2015, 07:56:37 pm
You know what I've noticed?
I've noticed on every job application I fill out, it asks me if I'm black or latino, followed by a disclaimer saying the employer is an "equal opportunity employer." So, to me, that'd imply that if I put down I was black or Latino, I'd have a higher chance of getting the job.

These things usually don't really mean anything, though, for most jobs. They're on there because they have to be and usually serve as a means to collect statistics rather than a way to keep the white man down. Affirmative action is not the omnipresent force that you make it out to be, even setting aside the qualitative argument of it all.

I've noticed at my college scholarships which are only for black youths, that specifically don't include me. I don't see any "United White Folks' College Fund" or any such thing.

Why does this not make sense to you? The poverty rate for black Americans is roughly twice as high as whites. The graduation rate for blacks is substantially lower. Blacks are less likely than whites to be hired even with a college/university education and still make less money, anyway. Do you really not see a legitimate cause for efforts made to specifically increase the amount of black students in colleges and universities?

As far as arrests - I've never been in a situation where I've had a run in with the law. You know why? It isn't because I'm white and privileged. It's because I keep a low profile and go about my business in a very nondescript way. I live in a big city and as far as I've seen, no one really cares what you do here - black or white.

I don't know how you can look at statistics that show blacks are killed by cops at a rate ten times higher than whites and not realize race must be a component. Hell, you mention big cities, and NYC is the classic example of police disproportionately harassing minorities for doing nothing wrong.

Quote from: HuffPo
The most alarming component of these arrests, however, are the racial disparities. Nearly 90% of all those arrested for possession of marijuana are Black and Latino. Whites comprise 35% of the City population, but make up less than 10% of all those arrested for possession of marijuana.

How would you explain this?

I haven't noticed a circumstance where I experienced 'privilege' because it hasn't happened to me. You can refuse to believe that all you want and believe the Marxian way and what your college professors brainwashed you into believing - but in my circumstance, I know my life a lot better than you do.

I'm a high school drop-out with a GED and if you think I'm a "cultural Marxist" you know very little about the arguments I've gotten into on these topics in the past.

Atlas is the only site where I can be called both a rape-apologist MRA and also cultural marxist PC-lover.

Society is making it more and more where being a white guy means you're "uncool", "not wanted by women", where you're the "bad guy" whose only historical or present day role is to "keep down people of color/gays/women" etc. When society and the media - and then their followers in the SJW and cultural liberal world rehash those beliefs - you begin to feel marginalized in your society. And that your society expects you to feel ashamed of being a white guy or guilty for crimes you didn't commit.

Honestly when it comes to this I say the same to you as I say to social justice types that argue "society" is misogynistic or whatever. Who is "society" here? Who is doing this to you? What authority figure, what organization, what government in this country, or even in the Western world is doing this? And what are "they" specifically doing to cause these vague hurt feelings? Where's the "Men Suck & They're Uncool Act"? There are many, many individual components of "society" and when you get to close to one or two of them you begin to think that's all there really is. Your view is horrifically distorted.
49  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Would you rather attend Eurovision or Dude Fest? on: May 26, 2015, 11:12:52 am
I'm going to go out on a limb and say there probably isn't a boy out there who wishes for an Easy-Bake Oven for every girl who has one thrown out.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Boston University professor: White Males a "problem population" on: May 26, 2015, 11:08:28 am
You're deliberately misunderstanding the proper concept of privilege, though, and only attacking a version of it that only the craziest of the social justice types actually believe, that whites/males/white males always, in every situation, have greater privileges than anyone else. This is obviously untrue and I haven't seen anyone in this thread actually argue that.

"White male privilege" only means there are certain situations where, other things being equal, you are likely to be favored because of your race and/or sex. Obviously the upper class black female NYC stock-broker is more privileged than the Kentucky white male fast-food worker. But there's really no way an intellectually honest individual can look at things like statistics for arrests, or who gets hired for certain jobs, and not realize these things are a factor and are bent in your favor. To what extent, or where, or in what circumstances that is bent in your favor, can be argued, fine. But it very often is.

Nowhere in these processes are people trying to get you to apologize for being white. Well, no one reasonable, anyway. I'm curious what logic led you to the conclusion that people were.

And I wouldn't base an entire argument off this, as it's sort of a fallacy I guess, but could you at least admit the possibility that you don't think you've benefited from privilege in your life because you just didn't notice? And that simply not noticing a phenomenon doesn't mean it isn't there?
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