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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: MA-06: Two polls show Moulton ahead on: September 19, 2014, 07:32:28 pm
I'm sure Gov. Baker will find a very good position for him in state government. He was his running mate in 2010.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: KS-Sen: Taylor drops out on: September 19, 2014, 08:25:51 am
Phil, please reread the thread. Kobach's office ok'd several previous primary winners to withdraw from the ballot using the same procedure Taylor followed. The letter of the law is broad enough that what he did was legal then, and set a binding precedent. Especially, you know, after his office told Taylor this would be sufficient to have him withdraw.

I don't understand what principle you"re defending here. There must be ways to cheer for your team without going all AggregateDemand about it.
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014) on: September 18, 2014, 08:56:51 pm
Why are Orkney and Shetland so anti-independence?

I think it might has something to do with the fact both islands have been long connected to the British Royal Navy.

Shetland's ancestry is Nordic, not Scottish, too.
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 House Election Polls / Re: NY-01: Siena: Rep. Bishop (D) up 10 on: September 17, 2014, 07:39:04 pm
No Republican Jewish caucus in 2015, it would seem.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Current laws against SSM are not unequal? Sure... on: September 17, 2014, 12:25:09 pm
Ok, true, I guess there are worse arguments out there than the letter writer's.
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: KS-Sen: Taylor drops out on: September 16, 2014, 01:54:06 pm
Republican losing a senate race in Kansas vs. an incumbent recovering from numbers like this with Taylor's support waiting in the wings for Orman.

Which is harder to believe?
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Which Pat Quinn accomplishment is your personal favorite? on: September 16, 2014, 12:48:50 pm
How can you choose just one of these Quinnspirational accomplishments?
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: KS-Sen: Taylor drops out on: September 16, 2014, 12:34:31 pm
Kris Kobach spits in the face of democracy once again. Nothing to see here, move on.

The law is pretty clear: "Any person who has been nominated by any means for any national, state, county or township office who declares that they are incapable of fulfilling the duties of office if elected may cause such personís name to be withdrawn from nomination by a request in writing, signed by the person and acknowledged before an officer qualified to take acknowledgments of deeds."

If he didn't declare that he was incapable of fulfilling the duties of the office, he can't withdraw.  Blame the legislature for crafting the law, not the person enforcing it.

Even if the SOS's office helped Taylor craft the letter, is there any evidence that Bryant was aware of the provision?  If he wasn't, then that's arguably grounds he should be fired for doing a poor job, but it's ultimately Taylor's responsibility to ensure that his campaign follows the law.

Inks, you put up a good fight for Kobach here, but his lawyer had to admit today to the court that the SOS approved withdrawal from the ballot in the past for several candidates who did the same thing Taylor did. Kobach decided to change the standard of compliance when the removal had the potential to affect his party in a detrimental way.

9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Current laws against SSM are not unequal? Sure... on: September 16, 2014, 10:36:06 am
That's up there with "gay men have the same right as straight men to marry the woman of their choice."

I do not miss the arguments of the 90s and early 2000s.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Perhaps the most out-of-touch video ever on: September 15, 2014, 12:24:09 pm
One thing I don't understand is the logic of having a 30 year mortgage on a home and filling up savings accounts for kids college and retirement with that kind of dough. If I had all that income, I'd try to pay off my house ASAP. In the end, it would leave you with a lot more wealth and savings on interest.

If your 30-year mortgage is at 4.5% and you make a decent living, with tax deductions you are paying only 3% to 3.5% interest on that loan. Investments should be able to beat that most years.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: IL-Chicago Tribune: Durbin +23% on: September 15, 2014, 09:28:45 am
But did they ask America? We Ask America Asked America, and the number showed a close race.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LA judge upholds state SSM ban on: September 15, 2014, 08:34:12 am
Actually that wasn't your point.  Your point was that laws banning same sex marriages derived from homophobia.  My point was that laws banning same sex marriages derived from a view of sexual complementariness, which in some instances also led to homophobia.  Where homophobia occurred, it sprang from the same source, yet it was not the reason the law recognized only opposite sex marriage.  It is no coincidence that those who continue to hew to the traditional view of marriage by and large also have held to the view of sexual complementariness.

Are you positing that "gays are icky" and "I don't want my kids to think being gay is ok" we're not a factor in the referenda of the 2000s? The advertising campaigns indicated this was a winning message. I'm talking about the referenda and amendments passed then, not the original absence of same-sex marriage from earlier laws.

No I was referring to the original reasons such laws were passed.

How many states had laws explicitly prohibiting same-sex marriage before the 1990s? As opposed to laws which didn't address it or where common practice had been to assume a man and woman were applying?
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LA judge upholds state SSM ban on: September 15, 2014, 06:24:34 am
Actually that wasn't your point.  Your point was that laws banning same sex marriages derived from homophobia.  My point was that laws banning same sex marriages derived from a view of sexual complementariness, which in some instances also led to homophobia.  Where homophobia occurred, it sprang from the same source, yet it was not the reason the law recognized only opposite sex marriage.  It is no coincidence that those who continue to hew to the traditional view of marriage by and large also have held to the view of sexual complementariness.

Are you positing that "gays are icky" and "I don't want my kids to think being gay is ok" we're not a factor in the referenda of the 2000s? The advertising campaigns indicated this was a winning message. I'm talking about the referenda and amendments passed then, not the original absence of same-sex marriage from earlier laws.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LA judge upholds state SSM ban on: September 15, 2014, 06:21:40 am
Thinking on it some more, it's not so much that traditionally women were viewed as property (tho that view goes a long way to explaining polygynous societies) as that men and women were almost always seen as complementary aspects of humanity in which the sum of two different parts created a whole greater than the two were separately (or which was at least different than).  One simply could not obtain that by uniting two likes.

You're talking about the concept of "Separate spheres." Like mass-produced family tartans, this timeless tradition was an invention of Victorian England and was unknown in the 18th century, not to mention countries outside the Anglosphere.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Palin family (including Sarah) involved in drunken brawl. on: September 14, 2014, 09:10:30 am
We knew all about Palin's ridiculousness before Election Day 2008. Edwards' affair was a secret until after the 2004 elections.

Not that I agree with the main point, it's not fair to expect Republicans to vote against their ideals, even if it meant putting Palin one heartbeat away from the White House.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz booed off stage at Middle Eastern Christian conference on: September 13, 2014, 07:32:41 am
Being "pro-Israel" (whatever that means) is starting to mean being pro-genocide.

That's basically it, sadly.  And the media along with most politicians are complicit in this.

How are you guys defining genocide these days? We have other words describing the nastiness of killing lots of civilians in a lopsided war that don't rise to the level of "genocide." If Israel is committing genocide in an area with among the fastest population growth rates on Earth, the term has no meaning.

It's not defending Israel's blockade and periodic attacks on Gaza to point out more people died in a single day of transports from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka in August 1942 than in Gaza in the last year, in case the temptation to use the g word is to make some equivalence with the Holocaust.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: LA judge upholds state SSM ban on: September 12, 2014, 02:04:46 pm
If you went back to the 1700s and talked about people of different religions marrying because they liked each other or found each other attractive, you would have been considered bonkers.

That isn't even remotely true. Even where there were prohibitions against it, they would have understood exactly why someone would want to marry someone of a different religion based on fondness or attractiveness. It is more our time that doesn't understand them.

There weren't prohibitions against inter-religious marriage. The idea wasn't conceivable. There was no way to get married. If a Jew and a Catholic in Russia in 1790 wanted to marry, who would have conducted it? How would they have registered it? I'm all ears.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How is the state of the United States Economy? on: September 12, 2014, 01:23:12 pm
AggregateDemand, what are the most recent predictions for Medicare spending? Is the trend toward slower growth, or faster?
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Ted Cruz booed off stage at Middle Eastern Christian conference on: September 11, 2014, 12:11:35 pm
Palestine being the state with the highest percentage of Christians in the ME, of course.

Isn't Lebanon significantly higher?
20  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 12:10:56 pm
Why wouldn't an independent Scotland simply use the Euro - like Ireland?

I think Scotland would have to apply to join the Euro, and I don't know if their economic indicators will support it, not after they take the big economic hit from separation and losing many companies to the U.K.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How is the state of the United States Economy? on: September 11, 2014, 10:22:28 am
Things are booming in Mass.
22  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2014 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: IA-PPP for Americans for Tax Fairness: Ernst +2% on: September 11, 2014, 10:12:08 am
Is Americans for Tax Fairness a liberal group?

Isn't that Grover Norquist's group?

He's Americans for Tax Reform. Depressingly, this looks like it's a liberal action group.
23  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Scottish Independence Referendum - 18 September 2014 on: September 11, 2014, 09:45:00 am
If Scotland can't use the £, then what about adopting the U.S. dollar, like Panama or Ecuador? How might that work out?
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Ted Cruz finding new ways to win friends and influence people on: September 11, 2014, 09:13:15 am
Tells an Arab-American Christian group that they should stand with Israel.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-angers-arab-christians-stand-with-israel
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Who'll win in Kansas? on: September 11, 2014, 09:11:06 am
Can someone explain to me why this is even close?

Brownback, Kobach, and Roberts are *all* polling in the mid-40s when they should all be easily over 50. Something's happening in Kansas this year following the purge of the moderates in 2012.
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