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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-ACA former sheriff now begging for money to pay for medical bills on: Today at 09:07:33 am
If you think begging for money on the Internet is the best way to fund healthcare, you're an idiot.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bush's LGBT-friendly inner circle on: February 27, 2015, 12:44:37 pm
Benghazi has a gay marriage angle?
3  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 26, 2015, 03:53:50 pm
Interview is over and I have a job at said grocery store.  It will pay pretty decently for a grocery store - ~$10.00 an hour.  I will be in the meat department.  I will initiate the background check tomorrow morning and will start likely on March 23 in preparation for the April 1 grand opening.

That's great. Good luck!
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-Sen: California Quake on: February 26, 2015, 01:51:17 pm

Hasn't she always been a lone wolf in the California Dem party? I doubt she'd get any support.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Axelrod: Obama lied about opposing gay marriage on: February 26, 2015, 01:49:50 pm
I laid in bed last night, awake, thinking of this.

Thinking of how Governor Walker was taken to task for saying he wasn't sure if the President was a Christian.

So the story as we assume we know it now is this: In 2004 Obama decided it would be politically advantageous to say he opposed gay marriage when in his heart, he supported it.

So is it really that far fetched to think that at some point in his early Chicago days, he decided that he couldn't get elected to anything as an out of the closet Atheist/Agnostic, so he pretended to be a follower of the Christian faith?

The problem I think is that most respondents who think he isn't a Christian, believe he is a Muslim.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama breaking out the veto pen today for Keystone on: February 26, 2015, 12:29:40 pm
Claims about how dangerous the pipeline would be are a bit baffling. The train accidents involving the transportation of oil that occur with some frequency are absolutely horrifying, and in many cases these routes bring massive volumes of oil through major cities, within throwing distance of schools, parks, apartments, etc. It is not obvious why a pipeline over the Great Plains poses a less acceptable risk.

The assumption is not that there is a fixed pool of oil to be shipped either by rail or by pipeline, but that by building the pipeline, a larger amount of oil will become economical to extract or ship. "Making the pie higher," as it were.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: OH-Sen: Cincinnati Councilman P.G. Sittenfeld likely running on: February 26, 2015, 09:36:12 am
Ted Strickland is probably going to end up as the Tommy Thompson of 2016, an over the hill former governor who is running more as a reflection of their state party's horrible bench and will probably lose by somewhere in the mid single digits.

Unlike Thompson, he's running in the good electorate year, not the bad electorate year. (But on the other hand, unlike Thompson, it's not an open seat race so is harder for Strickland.)

Portman is a strong incumbent but with first Kander and now Strickland jumping in, Dems must feel they have a good year coming.
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-SEN: A GE with David Dreier(R) would be competitive on: February 26, 2015, 09:32:52 am
Here's an interesting strategy for Dreier - come out gay before the election, renounce his anti-gay views. I'm sure there'd be some instant backlash, sure, but that damage early means he is able to repair himself.

The alternative to running for Senate, for him, is a future lucrative career as a lobbyist or his current prestigious (and pretty lucrative) career at conservative think-tanks. I don't see why he'd even consider this.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: CA-SEN: A GE with David Dreier(R) would be competitive on: February 25, 2015, 05:50:07 pm
Isn't Dreier rumored to be, um, Aaron Schock from a different generation?
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama breaking out the veto pen today for Keystone on: February 24, 2015, 05:49:38 pm
As opposed to all the spills that are happening when the oil is transported via other means?

Much of that oil won't be economical to squeeze out of Alberta's soil without this pipeline.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama breaking out the veto pen today for Keystone on: February 24, 2015, 04:14:49 pm
Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.

The economy will be fine minus those 50 permanent jobs + whatever cleanup jobs come up after spills.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Scott Walker - America's answer to Stephen Harper? on: February 23, 2015, 09:05:21 am
At top 10-15 US schools, undergrad econ is usually considered an equivalent to engineering, physical science, comp sci, and math because there is a very high degree of quantitative emphasis according to Wall Street Oasis.

I know at least one Ivy League school has a two-track major in Economics: Economics with calculus for future economists and quants; economics without calculus for people heading into investment banking or consulting who aren't up for the math and just need a general ground in how economies work.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MO-Remington Research/Missouri Scout: Sen. Blunt (R) leads Kander (D) by a lot on: February 23, 2015, 08:46:52 am
Blunt's favored to win reelection, but this poll is not at all bad for a challenger this far out from the election.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Irvin Baxter on: February 22, 2015, 09:11:41 am
Freedom Fraudster.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden's pawing of Stephanie Carter on: February 21, 2015, 01:10:55 pm
Wow, this is really gross and inappropriate. It's not "cute." I hope Obama has a word with him about it.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 21, 2015, 01:08:18 pm
No one should be banned from a profession due to their beliefs. However, if these beliefs come to affect the way a person performs their professional duties, they must choose one of the other. They have no right for special accommodation and should not be held to a different standard as anybody else.

I already touched upon this in the other reply I did this morning in this thread, so this will be similar.  The doctor here had been recommended to the couple, which suggests that she is one who seeks to establish a rapport beyond merely the technical aspects of medicine.  While that is a good thing, it does mean that she won't be able to establish a rapport with everyone.

This is the historical basis for Jim Crow laws.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rudy Giuliani: Obama doesn't love America on: February 20, 2015, 07:40:26 pm
The White House is epically trolling Giuliani in return.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 20, 2015, 07:36:58 pm
It's ridiculous.  I don't eat animals, but in my capacity at work I prepare and sell meat products.  If I just suddenly refused to keep doing that, even always finding another person to do it, I would get fired.  For once, I'd deserve it.  It is incumbent upon me to go and find a job where I would no longer have to do that.

And if that doctor's other clients decide to fire her, that's perfectly fine.  I fully support the use of private boycotts and sanctions where people feel it is appropriate.

Yes, because that was so incredibly successful in the defeat of Jim Crow and housing segregation outside of the Montgomery buses.

Simple math says you can deny service to 5%, 10%, 15% of the population with the support or non-interference of the majority and do just fine. Sucks to be in that minority, but it isn't usually white libertarian men who face total inability to buy a good or service, so we'll keep having these discussions until the end of time
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 20, 2015, 01:49:37 pm
In this case, it kind of seems like a win-win: the doctor didn't have to violate their conscience, the baby got cared for, and the parents got to interact with a doctor who would be much friendlier and helpful than before. People saying "what if there were no doctor available" are missing the point. There was one, and we have no idea what would have happened in that hypothetical.

I push back on the idea that performing your job as you would for anyone else—in this case, caring for a baby—"violates their conscience." That phrase should have some actual meaning. People who abuse it because they want to show their disapproval or disgust for people different from them by refusing to provide services or goods they would otherwise sell happily, are doing people who live their faith and experience real discrimination or conflicts a disfavor.

20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 20, 2015, 11:16:21 am
I can see the slippery slope argument about if enough people do this than a gay couple will have trouble finding an essential and somewhat scarce service like a doctor  (I don't believe an event florist is in the same category) but this argument strikes me as somewhat ominous in its implications.
What new information about this is so incontrovertible it should lead to someone's license to practice being taken away?

Who is going to judge when "separate but equal" is working or when the alternatives aren't as good because the alternative practitioner has a worse record, the customer has to drive an extra 10 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours to reach that alternative, the alternative charges more (and knows he can because the gay customer doesn't have a choice), or the alternative doesn't provide as good service?

You don't intend this, but your argument is the same one that led to the creation of ghettoes in northern cities. African Americans paid more than white people for worse housing because whites preserved their right to not sell their homes to blacks. We have the opportunity to learn from history and not assume that in this best of all possible worlds, all will be well.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 20, 2015, 09:36:23 am
As the parents in the story point out, the patient was the infant.  I fail to see how giving an infant a wellness exam should offend a physician's moral conscience.  

It's a logical extension of the argument that selling flowers to a couple who may use those flowers in a same-sex wedding is forcing heresy upon the seller.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM! Doctor refuses to care for lesbian couple's 6-day-old baby on: February 20, 2015, 09:33:07 am
Don't like the parents' sinfulness?  Take it out on their baby!  👍
Getting a doctor who would be more comfortable interacting with the parents to take her place is taking it out on the baby?

No offense, but do people brushing this off because an alternative happened to be available recognize that this is exactly the logical underpinning behind "separate but equal"?

Separate never translates into equal, and greenlighting one doctor to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation (or race, or religion) because she located an alternative leads to many other doctors (or hotels, or restaurants, or employers...) being able to discriminate and turn away the patient or customer without an alternative. Because seeing that there is a facility willing to serve the gays is not their problem.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: MSNBC embarassment: Network pulls in avg of 55,000 viewers on: February 20, 2015, 09:24:15 am
I guess the novelty of seeing Frank Sinatra's face reincarnated with a young Mia Farrow's hair wears off quickly.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XXI: "Scientific Facts Are Not Hard And Fast Rules." on: February 20, 2015, 07:00:46 am
Ok guys, let's brainstorm what the 4th Trumpet could be. According to BushOklahoma, it happened after the Chernobyl disaster (1986) and before Saddam Hussein completely decimated Kuwait (1990).

Here is what the 4th Trumpet says


Quote
The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

There was that earthquake in San Francisco that shut down the World Series. That happened between Chernobyl and Desert Storm. Could that be it?
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MO-SEN Kander is running on: February 19, 2015, 12:10:10 pm
Don't know why he wants to ruin a promising career by running such an uphill race

If 2016 continues the pattern of the last 4 elections, he's guaranteed to perform respectably even if he doesn't win and parlay that into another election.
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