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1  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Petition to ban BushOklahoma on: May 21, 2015, 09:39:25 pm
Braum's
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup poll: Record percentage support SSM on: May 21, 2015, 09:34:10 pm
Just wait until SSM can be performed and recognized in all 50 states after June (I fully expect the Supreme Court to settle the issue). The graph of SSM support is going to look like an expedited version of interracial marriage. Conservatives will grumble about it for a time, probably gives LGBT relatives a hard time for a while, and the issue will just slowly go away.

But the G.G. will not let it go away. They want it in our faces 24/7 non stop. If I were told I'd never have to hear about this again, I'd be satisfied.

Not going to political forums and clicking on links with "Same Sex Marriage" in the title might be a start to the relief you seek.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is SSM such a big deal? on: May 21, 2015, 12:12:07 pm
Don't you think there would be some more support on the Right for civil marriage if opponents were not basically compared to Hitler?

Um, no.
4  General Politics / Political Geography & Demographics / Re: More chatter about a Dem redraw of CD lines in CA if SCOTUS tanks AZ commission on: May 20, 2015, 08:21:10 am
I'm grabbing the popcorn. This is heating up.
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Torie on: May 18, 2015, 12:07:06 pm
FF.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Palinesque VP pick for Hillary on: May 09, 2015, 02:43:57 pm
Loretta Sanchez, but that's a stretch.
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK General Election - May 7th 2015 (The Official Election Day & Results Thread) on: May 09, 2015, 02:35:51 pm
Fair enough, but with respect to the UKIP voters up there who were formerly Labour voters, does that not indicate some estrangement with the party, an estrangement that will not be easy to assuage?

That doesn't mean that they're about to vote bloody Tory.

Give them time baby, give them time. Who would have thought Harlan County, KY would have become a Pub bastion 20 years ago?

Who is Margaret Thatcher in this analogy? Harlan County doesn't have much animus toward Reagan, I don't think.

Similarly, Ed Miliband may be a bit disconnected from Labour's roots but it's not quite like Barack Obama's reception in Appalachia.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-gay lawmaker outed by man he flirted online on: May 03, 2015, 07:56:54 am
If being attracted to someone of the same sex is not a psychological condition, what is it? A physical condition?  A metaphyscial condition?   Surely you must admit that being attracted to someone and having sex with them are in some way distinct? 

It's a sexual orientation.

That is a label, not a description.

"Psychological condition" is also a label. It's all semantics.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Your reaction to that Sneakers O'Toole is now 8 years old? on: May 01, 2015, 10:17:01 am
Who cares. What's opebo's reaction?
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-gay lawmaker outed by man he flirted online on: May 01, 2015, 08:18:43 am
If being attracted to someone of the same sex is not a psychological condition, what is it? A physical condition?  A metaphyscial condition?   Surely you must admit that being attracted to someone and having sex with them are in some way distinct? 

It's a sexual orientation.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-gay lawmaker outed by man he flirted online on: April 29, 2015, 08:22:11 am
I can't believe this is still happening after Anthony Weiner.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: April 29, 2015, 08:15:56 am
Guys, I'm confident that if we ever reach a situation where millions of Americans are living in polygamous relationships and raising children outside the protection of the law—and not just in a few insular compounds in remote parts of the country—the courts will have to consider if marriage laws need to adapt.

The fact is, we don't have that. While it may not seem this way to people who have limited exposure to gays and gay families, the Supreme Court does not expand marriage laws "on spec" in the absence of a cultural shift and a large number of people affected just because people perceive a slippery slope. Same-sex marriage has been ratcheted forward by a few court cases, but gays won those court cases because we had been living openly and proudly and raising children for many years outside the protection of the law, even well before 2003.

This argument is similar to saying that if the government can raise the minimum wage to $9/hour, it can raise it to $1,000/hour, and of course that would break our economy, so it shouldn't be able to raise it to $9/hour. That argument has serious problems.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-gay lawmaker outed by man he flirted online on: April 29, 2015, 06:11:15 am
Can you please stop responding to countryclass's inanities?
14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: MA: Suffolk: Gov. Baker with 70% approval rating on: April 26, 2015, 07:31:38 pm
The main thing I disapprove of so far in his governorship is that godforsaken haircut...

Just checking... did you know he got the buzz cut for a cancer charity a few weeks ago?
15  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: MA: Suffolk: Gov. Baker with 70% approval rating on: April 26, 2015, 01:29:53 pm
Some of you may have heard that Boston's transit and commuter rail system fell apart during our record snowfalls.

Baker handled it as well as any governor could have. He acknowledged the problem early and often; he didn't make unreasonable claims about fixing it; he took control of the MBTA (fairly or not to Beverly Scott, the GM he booted); he declared himself open to different solutions; he announced a commission to study the problem and make recommendations; the commission actually came back with a report in reasonable time; he is now pursuing legislation to fix the MBTA.  

Social issues are deader than a doornail. His LG, Karyn Polito, was a major anti-same-sex-marriage campaigner in the legislature who has ditched her positions and now officiates at gay weddings.

When Baker denies interest in federal politics or running for higher office as a Republican, he comes across as authentic. His personal style is modest but smart. 

In a nutshell, he's the governor we thought we were getting when we elected Mitt Romney, but never did.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I see the GOP being the dominant Party in the US for decades to come on: April 26, 2015, 12:28:48 pm
There is pretty much nowhere left for Republicans to permanently gain white voters. They aren't going to ever win more than 60% of the white vote in a presidential election barring an unusual landslide.

I doubt Mitt Romney is going to be the upper limit.

Do you think the Democratic candidate being African-American rather than white—as the 2016 nominee will be—might be a factor in Republicans' record performance among white votes in 2012?
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I see the GOP being the dominant Party in the US for decades to come on: April 26, 2015, 12:27:11 pm
Wait, so you're a gay person and are against SSM?

He's a parody troll, not a genuine person.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: April 26, 2015, 12:04:35 pm

I am unaware of any theology that is against interracial marriage, so I would consider such a claim to be ersatz. As to the other two examples, I would have the same attitudes.

1. "If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." -- Brigham Young

2. How did Bob Jones University defend its ban on interracial dating?

Neither of these are currently in force, which goes to show much "deeply felt religious objections" tend to track with the culture as a whole rather than absolute theology.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Reaganfan Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: April 26, 2015, 10:29:19 am
Bold added for emphasis.

- So, then, why do I support civil unions and gay adoption? Because, ultimately, raising children in a same sex home is probably a better situation than raising them in an orphanage, and it only makes sense to provide some limited incentives to get that adoption to happen.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay marriage opponents' strategy uncertain in 2015 on: April 24, 2015, 08:33:19 pm
Why are people discussing CCSF as if he were a real person?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo/ABC Poll: 61% support SSM; 1st time more than 6 in 10 support on: April 24, 2015, 07:58:27 am
All demographic groups support it now except conservatives, republicans, and seniors.

Ethnic minorities tend to be opposed IIRC.

It shifted significantly starting in 2012. Obama's endorsement likely moved a small but meaningful chunk of people and helped equality win in the Maryland referendum.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo/ABC Poll: 61% support SSM; 1st time more than 6 in 10 support on: April 24, 2015, 07:57:42 am
Please don't respond to the parody troll. Thanks.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Brooklyn's population growth question on: April 22, 2015, 09:54:23 pm
Following up on LVP's point, no borough has gained population from domestic migration over the past five years. By the same measure, the Census estimate for Brooklyn (-92k) only lags behind Manhattan (-487k).

Isn't that like 30% of Manhattan's population moving away and getting replaced? Seems incredibly high.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: State rep, county party chariman etc. said something stupid - The Megathread on: April 21, 2015, 12:20:07 pm
Since she's not an elected official anymore:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

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Former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) expressed a mixture of condemnation and appreciation toward President Barack Obama for, in her words, bringing the world to end times.

"We need to cry out to a Holy God," Bachmann said on Jan Markell's "Understanding the Times" radio show over the weekend. "This is coming faster than anyone can see."

“Barack Obama is intent, it is his number one goal, to ensure that Iran has a nuclear weapon," she said. "Why? Why would you put the nuclear weapon in the hands of madmen who are Islamic radicals?"
25  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: FL-Sen: Murphy In on: April 21, 2015, 07:53:22 am
Even if she had the ambition, IRL has some pro-gay votes which would doom her in a primary.
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