Eh, we know what she said. Face has been saved, she has made amends, the world moves on, and we're one day closer to the election.

Updated first post with transcript courtesy of the Great Orange Satan.

Someone from South Dakota entered this one into the database, it looks like.

Crap uni poll.

you do realize that basically every pollster has shown the race similarly close?

This one has Hagen up 5 points over Dole.

Noonan always has been an elitist, and it touches my heart Democrats suddenly care what she has to say.

She's probably one of those rich folks (in either party) who have that "eww working class people" look when they meet someone of blue collar origins.

Noonan was Reagan's scriptwriter. He was her muse. If Reagan had a touch with the "common people," it was in no small part thanks to her.

that is NOT my I remember it.  Reagan was always much more done to earth than Noonan.  Noonan has always had overly-lady-like facade.

That's very true of how they presented. I was thinking of the fact that she wrote his speeches. But maybe the speeches she wrote weren't the ones that made him seem approachable.

Democracy Corps reminds me of those people who have bumper stickers that say "Martin Sheen is my President." I'd love to live in that world, too.

Top line, with Obama leading all three. Iowa was taken 8/31-9/2, which means entirely after the Palin announcement but before the RNC. Didn't look at the others but presume the same.

MN: 55%-40%
IA: 53%-41%
OH: 47%-45%

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/new_polls_have_obama_running_s.php

Links here for people who want to enter them.

If team McCain correographed all of this, they are freaking geniuses. Getting the press hounds to chase down this rogue hare is just what the doctor ordered.

I would hope TPM is only claiming they choreographed Johnston's arrival in MSP, and not the whole announcement!

Awesome, numerous people think Barack Obama is a muslim.

Great, now if any of those numerous people attended the same mosque as he did and said that he was there, maybe that analogy would mean something.

In the meantime, you're going to throw up one misogynistic straw man after another.

It depends on what these "substantic" attacks are. Like is she really Pro Woman as a Pro Lifer?

I posted the body of this elsewhere, but the meat is in the last paragraph.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212890.php

Sally Quinn?  Andrea Mitchell?  The press this week is lousy with example after example.  You've managed to miss all of them?

I don't watch tv news. I don't know what the hell reporters say, but whatever it was, Andrea Mitchell is not a spokeswoman for the Democratic Party and was likely bringing it up the same way I did, as in, "would anyone else think that?"

Anyway, if you have a link to someone on tv attacking Sarah Palin for neglecting Trig by running for office, put it up. If it's a respected journalist or someone known to be affiliated with Obama, even better.

were they complaining about picking palin, or an advanced copy of her speech?

It sounds to me like the former. Interesting angle, though, and quite possible. I'm not going to listen again.

No, they didn't say that you can't criticize her. Again, you're bending what is being said.

If people criticize her on substantive grounds, and then Fiorina and Rosario Marin come out and say she's a being attacked because of sexism, that IS saying you can't criticize her because she's a woman. No one would come out and say that, because it sounds as stupid as it is. The whole point is to bully people into laying off of her. It's not going to work, but I don't think they're thinking clearly about this so much as trying any kind of defense they can to stall until she speaks herself tonight and changes the subject.

Certainly Palin has been held to a double standard that would not be applied to a male. 

I'm going to let this statement stand on its own, because the rejoinder is too obvious.

Specifically, the charges that she is somehow neglecting her family and a down syndrome baby by trying to further her own career.  Because a woman should take care of the family first, hur hur hur.

Which basically no one has been saying. I brought it up as something I thought some conservative independents might feel, and that's been borne out anecdotally by random mother chat. I didn't say it, I don't think anyone else did, and for damn sure no Democrat or Democratic surrogate said anything like that.

This defense line IS Harriet Miers 2.0.

I domt get, noonan just wrote an article that's said nothing of thw sort. 

The comments she made are pretty unhelpful after the fact, so no reason to go public with them.

and kbh would have been a complete flop

Agreed, and it's not clear whether they were recommending her as a better choice or if they were commenting that they saw her that morning and so her reaction was on their mind.

Noonan always has been an elitist, and it touches my heart Democrats suddenly care what she has to say.

She's probably one of those rich folks (in either party) who have that "eww working class people" look when they meet someone of blue collar origins.

Noonan was Reagan's scriptwriter. He was her muse. If Reagan had a touch with the "common people," it was in no small part thanks to her.

That said, yes, she's elitist and sometimes sounds as if she's broadcasting in from a different ethereal plane.

That's asinine on two different counts. You should have gone with the Schweitzer angle.

Delaware just underwent a population surge?

Biden's qualifications aren't that he managed the state's business, but that he's been a senator for ages and involved in foreign affairs. For something like that, it doesn't matter much if you're from a small state or a large state, because every senator is potentially equal, although surely it's harder to get to the Senate in the first place from a large state. (No one holds up the current senators from Florida as the brightest lights in the body, for example, while small states can produce senators of note.)

If he were governor of Delaware--or Vermont, for an even smaller state and one with no urban concerns whatsoever--it would be relevant.

We don't argue that you can't criticize Palin because she's a woman. I'm tired of hearing about how smart and fair you are when you use stuff like this.

The woman thing is the McCain campaign today and their surrogates. Carly Fiorina had a stupid comment about it. No one here is doing it, at least, no one's doing it that I've cared about.

Contrary to previous Hillary threads, she really said this on a live mic, and in context.

Listen to Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan discuss their views on the Palin pick without knowing they were being recorded. Amazingly, the proper Miss Noonan used a term I would not expect to pass her lips.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php

Help me out, Britt.  I can't get sound to load on my machine right now.  What'd she say?

Mike Murphy said that he comes from a blue state governor context--T. Thompson, Engler, Whitman, Jeb Bush--while these guys (I guess the McCain campaign) is from Texas and just want to run up the numbers and you can't do that and win. She agreed, and said "its over." They talked about how everyone is bummed, naming Kay B. Hutchison as an example. They didn't pick a competent woman (not sure that's the term he used; maybe experienced, maybe strong, whatever), but Peggy complained, they went in for this political "bullsh**t" of going with a personal narrative story and that never works with Republicans, it's not what they do. Murphy said something about how McCain was seen as not cynical and this move looks purely cynical, and that hurts McCain in what was a virtue for him.

Does it really matter how many people are in the state? 

Yes, it does, unless supporting your ticket depends on believing it doesn't.

So, Biden was a crappy pick, too.

That's asinine on two different counts. You should have gone with the Schweitzer angle.

Contrary to previous Hillary threads, she really said this on a live mic, and in context.

Listen to Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan discuss their views on the Palin pick without knowing they were being recorded. Amazingly, the proper Miss Noonan used a term I would not expect to pass her lips.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php

    Noonan: [Can't hear since Todd (who is still on air) is talking over her]

    Murphy: Um, you know, because, I come out of the blue swing state governor work.  Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, I mean, and these guys, this is all how you win a Texas race, just run it up, and it's not gonna work.

    Noonan: It's Over.

    Murphy: Still, McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech and do himself some good.

    Todd: Don't you think this Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson to...

    Noonan: I saw Kay this morning...

    Todd: She's never looked comfortable about..

    Murphy: They're all bummed out.

    Todd: I mean, is she really the most qualified woman they can turn to?

    Noonan: The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullsh**t about narratives and youthfulness and the picture...

    Todd: Yeah, but the narrative?

    Murphy: I totally agree.

    Noonan: Every time Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

    Murphy: You know what's the worst thing about it, the greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and..

    Murphy and Todd together: This is cynical.

    Todd: And as you called it, gimmicky.

Doubt it.  It appealed to Republicans who want to appeal to Dems/Indies.

That's a great line. It's like the corollary to Howard Dean's speeches about the importance of faith. 

Thanks.  I'm not familiar with the Dean line - could you refresh my memory?

There's no line in particular I had in mind... there was this awkward period during and shortly after the 2004 elections when people like Howard Dean and John Kerry felt they had to talk about how important faith was to them because they thought it was what independents and Republicans wanted to hear from Democrats in order to support us.

There have been natural disasters under Palin's tenure - at a minimum,  river flooding in the Fairbanks area, a fire on the Kenai Peninsula and a Volcano Eruption in the Aleutians.  Count the number of state agencies involved in the recent Chena River Flood.  Hint: The Alaska Army National Guard was there  (along with the Alaska Air National Guard, Alaska State Troopers, and Alaska Homeland Security... among many others).

Come on, though. Do you think Palin was hands on in helping to put out that fire in the Kenai Peninsula as Commander of the Alaska National Guard? I'm sure she got some reports from them, that's great, but do people really think that hearing "there's a fire" "we're fighting it" "fire's out" is the kind of standard that is so awesomely executive that it outweighs Barack Obama, say, meeting with foreign leaders?

Does it really matter how many people are in the state? 

Yes, it does, unless supporting your ticket depends on believing it doesn't.

Doubt it.  It appealed to Republicans who want to appeal to Dems/Indies.

That's a great line. It's like the corollary to Howard Dean's speeches about the importance of faith.