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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CBS: Kushner advocated Comey's firing; Trump angry the move caused a firestrom on: May 17, 2017, 08:05:00 am
Thanks for the tip, Bannon!
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Trump Asked Comey to End Flynn Investigation on: May 17, 2017, 08:03:33 am



A senior WH official tells @PeterAlexander that POTUS wasn't telling Comey to end Flynn investigation and suggest this is the way he speaks
https://twitter.com/MariannaNBCNews/status/864815443164504065


Reminds me of Kellyanne saying we should judge Trump by what's in his heart, not what comes out of his mouth. It's a fine sentiment but impractical for governance.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Trump Asked Comey to End Flynn Investigation on: May 17, 2017, 06:11:38 am
Horrible if true. But I don’t understand, if true, why Trump is that dumb. He should have known that such a request is illegal and has the potential to throw him out of office. I mean, almost every user on here wouldn’t make such a mistake in the president’s position.

He was expressing the hope. It was not a request (technically). And I doubt that it would be illegal even if he made such a request.

Question. If you think the President asking the head of the FBI to stop investigating criminal activities by his campaign isn't a big deal, why do you suppose even Republicans in Congress are shocked and upset?

And what is the reason for Republicans being shocked and upset that Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac in Phoenix in 2016 when it would have been NBD for Clinton ally Obama to ask Lynch to shut down Comey's investigation into her emails?
29  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Trump Asked Comey to End Flynn Investigation on: May 17, 2017, 06:09:30 am
Horrible if true. But I don’t understand, if true, why Trump is that dumb. He should have known that such a request is illegal and has the potential to throw him out of office. I mean, almost every user on here wouldn’t make such a mistake in the president’s position.

He doesn't know anything about governing or being President.
30  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MT-AL: Rob Quist (D) vs. Greg Gianforte (R) vs. Mark Wicks (L), May 25 on: May 17, 2017, 05:50:10 am
It would certainly be ironic if this race were headed for a reasonable Republican win until the Comey news in the final week caused an upset.
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who has had a worse first year in office? on: May 16, 2017, 09:19:13 pm
- 9/11 occurring was a pretty bad way to finish off 2001 for George W. Bush.

While the loss of life on 9/11 was devastating, the event itself and the aftermath rescued Bush's presidency and gave him several years of good poll ratings and power over Congress. Before that, he was fumbling.

I do think Lincoln has to win this particular contest.
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NYT: Trump Asked Comey to End Flynn Investigation on: May 16, 2017, 06:36:54 pm
i may be wrong but pence is making himself quite...invisible the last weeks, eh?

He went out and defended Trump on Day 1 of the Comey firing.
33  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: OH-SEN: NO ONE likes Josh Mandel on: May 16, 2017, 11:43:36 am

That's pretty remarkable, no? I guess he figures his chances of surviving 2018 and 3+ years of deeply unpleasant service and living to see another large Republican majority are better than his chances of defeating Brown. Which makes sense; but in a different environment, the Senate would be a tempting option. 
34  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians on: May 16, 2017, 11:13:16 am
I truly wish McMaster didn't need to go out and defend this. He's someone we all want to be successful in his role and somehow make it work with Trump. There's no pleasure in seeing him Spicerize himself.
35  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians on: May 16, 2017, 07:30:55 am
Guys, there's no point in defending McMaster's denial any more. Trump threw him under the bus on Twitter this morning and confessed to sharing the intelligence with Russia.
36  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians on: May 16, 2017, 07:16:30 am
Russia is such a staunch ally with the U.S. against ISIS that it has openly allied with the Assad regime to launch massive bombing campaigns targeting other rebel groups in Syria who were also fighting ISIS and the civilians, hospitals, etc. in cities held by those groups.

Are you talking about guys like this one? "Moderate" rebels.

Nope, that guy has been deceased for some time and to my knowledge never took part in the Syrian civil war. I think President Obama took him out.

This is the kind of atrocity I was referring to that Russia carries out in the name of attacking ISIS, but which targets areas held by other groups also fighting ISIS:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/feb/17/msf-inquiry-indicates-russia-was-behind-hospital-bombing-in-syria-medecins-sans-frontieres

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An investigation commissioned by Médecins Sans Frontičres (MSF) bolsters its claim that Russian and Syrian forces were responsible for the deadly bombing last year of a hospital it was supporting in northern Syria.

Video and photographic images captured by medical staff, activists and members of the public were pored over by a UK-based research agency hired by the organisation to look into the attack, which took place on 15 February last year and claimed the lives of 25 people.

A video released by MSF to bolster its claims that Russian and Syrian forces bombed a hospital supported by the aid group last year.

While Russia denied claims that its forces were responsible for the bombing of the Maaret al-Numan hospital in Idlib province, the aid group said that the digital material confirmed the attack was carried out by the Russians, working in tandem with the Syrian regime.

37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump reassures farmers immigration crackdown not aimed at their workers on: May 16, 2017, 06:45:56 am
He just said what the people right in front of him wanted to hear. It doesn't mean anything, because that's all he ever does.
38  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WaPo: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians on: May 16, 2017, 06:44:27 am
Russia is such a staunch ally with the U.S. against ISIS that it has openly allied with the Assad regime to launch massive bombing campaigns targeting other rebel groups in Syria who were also fighting ISIS and the civilians, hospitals, etc. in cities held by those groups.
39  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AZ-02: Dem internal shows McSally in trouble on: May 15, 2017, 08:09:32 pm
2016 was a good Republican year. Not a wave.
40  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:33:03 pm
Apparently, McMaster said Trump did not reveal any classified info.  He was in the room, as well.

Nope, he chose his words carefully and described other things Trump didn't reveal, like current military operations. I've highlighted in bold what he specified.

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The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”

McMaster says Trump did not reveal:
  • Sources
  • Methods
  • Military options that were not disclosed publicly

Plenty of classified information falls outside of those categories.

41  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:14:21 pm
Spare thoughts and prayers for whatever hero in an unnamed city in the Middle East alerted our allies to the ISIS threat using laptops on planes.

Their bravery prevented a terrorist attack and the deaths of hundreds of people, if not thousands.

Now, thanks to Trump, their cover is blown and they're likely to be killed. Others will see what happened and we won't get the warning next time of a threat like this. Other countries will not share information with us.

"But I don't think he should be impeached for this." Think about that.
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:12:28 pm
Bad. Stupid. Wrong. Not illegal or impeachable, however.

This is impeachable.
From WaPo: "For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law."

That covers "illegal." This behavior is clearly impeachable.
Once again: "As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law."

Again: I'm not defending his actions. I'm just saying they are not worthy of impeachment from what we know now.

What are the rules governing what someone is allowed to impeach for or not?

Everything you have discussed concerns legality. Impeachment is a constitutional process, not a legal one.
43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:11:05 pm
Bad. He's idiotic for doing this. However, Hillary Clinton had similar problems, okay? The 2016 election was not a good election.

This is the first non-ironic use of "but her emails" I have seen this afternoon. I've seen a LOT of the other kind.
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:10:04 pm
Bad. Stupid. Wrong. Not illegal or impeachable, however.

This is impeachable.
From WaPo: "For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law."

That covers "illegal." This behavior is clearly impeachable.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 05:07:30 pm
Bad. Stupid. Wrong. Not illegal or impeachable, however.

This is impeachable.
46  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump revealed classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador on: May 15, 2017, 04:19:24 pm
But her emails
47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Cabinet Member: Alec Baldwin's SNL Trump is spot-on on: May 15, 2017, 03:16:28 pm
Mnuchin?
48  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ-11: Frelinghuysen complains about Dem activist to her boss; she resigns on: May 15, 2017, 02:55:16 pm
Caveat that I know a lot of people from NJ, but this story seems to be gaining traction.
49  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NJ-11: Frelinghuysen complains about Dem activist to her boss; she resigns on: May 15, 2017, 12:17:44 pm
Imagine the novelty. He's been in Congress for 22 years in a historically Republican area and this is probably his first competitive election since his first unsuccessful primary for Congress. The anti-Bush tsunami never touched him. Now he's being yelled at, his phones jammed, and his voters are rising up against him because of a President who is so alien to why Frelinghuysen became a Republican. No wonder he's cracking.
50  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues on: May 15, 2017, 10:03:20 am
Support for gay marriage has risen to a record high of 64% vs. 34% opposed. Among Republicans, support has reached 47%.

This was hard to imagine in the mid-2000s when this was such a winning issue for Republicans.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/210566/support-gay-marriage-edges-new-high.aspx



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