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15876  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How many votes will the media get for Obama this time? on: July 04, 2009, 02:47:50 pm
It's exactly what you said.

"I can't imagine this guy getting elected without the media".

That means you assume that McCain would have won if there hadn't been media coverage.

He probably would have won if there was fair media coverage. But I'm also referring to the Hillary/Obama match.


so how is my claim false?
15877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 02:37:07 pm
Common sense doesn't appear to be your strength.
15878  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Employee Free Choice Act on: July 04, 2009, 02:15:30 pm
I - NAY
15879  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 04, 2009, 02:04:45 pm
Good to see you active again and involved in Atlasia Smiley
15880  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How many votes will the media get for Obama this time? on: July 04, 2009, 01:49:39 pm
It's exactly what you said.

"I can't imagine this guy getting elected without the media".

That means you assume that McCain would have won if there hadn't been media coverage.
15881  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: GERMAN CHANCELLORS SURVIVOR- Round 22- come & vote ! left: just Weimar + Modern on: July 04, 2009, 01:46:27 pm
Schröder
15882  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 01:44:01 pm
Maybe we should legalize robbery and murder too. After all "everyone" breaks those laws. And clearly people who don't do now won't do so once it's legalized.

Robbery and murder aren't victimless crimes.

Going too fast on the road greatly increases the chance of an accident. Allowing drinking before 21 increases drunk driving accidents substantially. Smoking is bad for one's health. Of course none of these things involve direct victimization but society has deemed that the costs of allowing this clearly outway the benefits, which consist mainly of short-term pleasure.


Allowing alcohol consumption at all greatly increases the risk of accidents....why draw the line at 21? Why can't we just reinstate prohibition?

And speed limits don't have much effect on accident rates, as evidenced by most other countries that have sensible speed regulations.

Prohibition increased organized crime. Younger people are much more likely to be involved in drunk driving than older people.

If you're talking about on the highway, you're right, but on residential streets... no.



You're certainly right about prohibition, but why should 21 be the limit? Why does every other country manage with a lower limit? And you know perfectly well that very few under 21s (like me when I'm in the U.S.) actually refrain from drinking. Why should a legal adult that can drive, vote, work, sign a contract, own a gun, and fight for his country not be able to have a beer legally?

I accept 18 as a sensible age for being able to purchase alcoholic beverages, as it would then be directly tied to the age of majority.

It's true 21 is a rather arbitrary number. But if anything it should be raised, not lowered.

Comparing drinking beer to driving, voting, working, and military service just degrades the latter. No one needs to drink beer, we do need transportation, responsive government, income, and national defense.



I don't like the state telling me what is necessary or unnecessary. Perhaps you do.
15883  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 01:23:02 pm
Maybe we should legalize robbery and murder too. After all "everyone" breaks those laws. And clearly people who don't do now won't do so once it's legalized.

Robbery and murder aren't victimless crimes.

Going too fast on the road greatly increases the chance of an accident. Allowing drinking before 21 increases drunk driving accidents substantially. Smoking is bad for one's health. Of course none of these things involve direct victimization but society has deemed that the costs of allowing this clearly outway the benefits, which consist mainly of short-term pleasure.


Allowing alcohol consumption at all greatly increases the risk of accidents....why draw the line at 21? Why can't we just reinstate prohibition?

And speed limits don't have much effect on accident rates, as evidenced by most other countries that have sensible speed regulations.

Prohibition increased organized crime. Younger people are much more likely to be involved in drunk driving than older people.

If you're talking about on the highway, you're right, but on residential streets... no.



You're certainly right about prohibition, but why should 21 be the limit? Why does every other country manage with a lower limit? And you know perfectly well that very few under 21s (like me when I'm in the U.S.) actually refrain from drinking. Why should a legal adult that can drive, vote, work, sign a contract, own a gun, and fight for his country not be able to have a beer legally?

I accept 18 as a sensible age for being able to purchase alcoholic beverages, as it would then be directly tied to the age of majority.
15884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Thomas Jefferson on: July 04, 2009, 01:17:02 pm
Guess.
15885  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2009 State and Federal elections in Germany on: July 04, 2009, 01:11:34 pm
Anyway, Lips is guaranteed to be reelected in September...I'd guess CDU +10 at least.
15886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 01:01:04 pm
Maybe we should legalize robbery and murder too. After all "everyone" breaks those laws. And clearly people who don't do now won't do so once it's legalized.

Robbery and murder aren't victimless crimes.

Going too fast on the road greatly increases the chance of an accident. Allowing drinking before 21 increases drunk driving accidents substantially. Smoking is bad for one's health. Of course none of these things involve direct victimization but society has deemed that the costs of allowing this clearly outway the benefits, which consist mainly of short-term pleasure.


Allowing alcohol consumption at all greatly increases the risk of accidents....why draw the line at 21? Why can't we just reinstate prohibition?

And speed limits don't have much effect on accident rates, as evidenced by most other countries that have sensible speed regulations.
15887  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Voter Turnout '08: MN, WI Most; WV, HI Least on: July 04, 2009, 12:59:28 pm
That would make me pleasently surprised Smiley
15888  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 12:42:40 pm
Maybe we should legalize robbery and murder too. After all "everyone" breaks those laws. And clearly people who don't do now won't do so once it's legalized.

Robbery and murder aren't victimless crimes.
15889  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Voter Turnout '08: MN, WI Most; WV, HI Least on: July 04, 2009, 12:41:45 pm
% of registered voters almost certainly
15890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg on: July 04, 2009, 12:13:12 pm
I agree with what Ernest said, Stauffenberg was quite an opportunist despite his heroic attempt to kill Hitler.
15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: July 04, 2009, 12:11:13 pm
Why???  Well, for starters, what if he wins both elections?  I mean, come on, it seems a little desperate.  I don't think Joe Lieberman should have been allowed to run for Senate and VP in the same election, either.

Joe Biden did it as well, after all.

I really don't see a problem with it. You shouldn't have to risk unemployment in case you lose an election just because you have the misfortune to have to run for both in the same year. That's an unfair disadvantage.
15892  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: July 04, 2009, 11:57:08 am
If no one else runs in the Mideast, I may consider a move there as well

So, you're considering running in both elections simultaneously?  If that isn't illegal, it should be.

Why?
15893  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2009 State and Federal elections in Germany on: July 04, 2009, 11:53:50 am
Is that supposed to mean something that you included the far-right with Democratic parties?

No, just a map of CDU+FDP would be fine as well ...

BTW, is this your MP ?



Yes, that's her.

She won by 79 votes in 2005!
15894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 09:11:00 am
The laws you mentioned are clearly unreasonable.

I naturally don't drive 65-70 mph when I'm in the U.S., but I've never gotten a ticket either. It's still annoying as hell to constantly fear that a cop might be waiting behind the next curve.

The "21 to drink" thing is even more annoying. Again, I know of many bars and restaurants that will serve me without asking for ID....but it's also annoying as hell to just take your chance in a place you're not familiar with. Sure, the worst that can happen is that you don't get your beer, but it's just plain embarrassing.
15895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Now I understand the appeal of Obama to the teenage slackers on: July 04, 2009, 09:05:09 am
While it is true that the idiocy of the original poster has long been proven beyond any doubt, this post is a worthwhile one for this reason:  It reminds us that the idiot vote already believes that the depression has been caused by the black president, and not be the previous administration.  And it is the idiot vote which is in the great majority in america.

Might I ask what that has to do with the skin color of the President?
15896  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2009 State and Federal elections in Germany on: July 04, 2009, 08:51:58 am
Could we maybe switch to pure FPTP for this election?
15897  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Celebrate Independence Day on: July 04, 2009, 08:47:55 am
God Bless America and no place else!

I'm half-convinced you're trolling at this point. But only half.
15898  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg on: July 04, 2009, 08:33:11 am
Both, duh.

^^
15899  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it unpatriotic to eat "ethnic food" on the 4th of July? on: July 04, 2009, 07:55:02 am
Of course it is unpatriotic. One day of the year to celebrate our nation, and you go and be a traitor. What the hell is wrong with you.

I consider it extremely unpatriotic to lower the defintion of one's "patriotism" to whether he eats hot dogs or waves a flag.
15900  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: A highly biased healthcare poll on: July 04, 2009, 07:52:48 am
Just kidding. Obviously nobody should be denied emergency care but government should otherwise not interfere.

Do you understand the problematic results of only providing emergency care?

Such as people not ever getting proper treatment for things like cancer.

Or that providing "free" treatement in hospital ERs when an "emergency" happens increases the bill for everyone else? It's not like treatment is ever really free of charge, it's just a matter of who ends up paying for it.

Preventive care would keep people from requiring "emergency care" in many cases, and would not only keep people healthier, but would also reduce overall costs.


That said, I'm still undecided myself on whether a government system is desirable, but at the very least, whether through directly public or private means, care must be universal or near-universal. Anything else seems quite dangerous to me.
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