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15876  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Affirmative Action Bill (Amendment at Vote) on: June 01, 2009, 06:50:50 pm
Aye
15877  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New senator on: June 01, 2009, 06:48:44 pm
Agreed. I would recommend holding off for another election. I do hope you stay active, and send your senator plenty of suggestions. It's time to give power to the people.

Thank you. I'll do just that. I forget when the next election is though. Once I know that, I'd like some support for the next election.

Well, you could run in the nationwide special election that will take place on this Thursday, for example.

Or run for an at-large seat in two months.

Or run for the Pacific seat in 4 months Smiley
15878  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New senator on: June 01, 2009, 06:37:06 pm
What is your reason for standing against MaxQue, a member of your own party, in this election?
15879  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Al Franken get to vote for Sotomayor? on: June 01, 2009, 11:27:38 am
No. Only people elected to the U.S. Senate get to vote on these nominations.

Please don't tell me you're in that camp...Phil....
15880  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Libel and Slander Penalization Bill (Debating) on: June 01, 2009, 09:56:10 am
I was sceptical of this when it was discussed in the Mideast....and I still remain sceptical Smiley
15881  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Workers' Compensation and Training Bill (Amendment at Vote) on: June 01, 2009, 09:55:22 am
Aye
15882  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Free Communications Bill (At Final Vote) on: June 01, 2009, 09:54:17 am
AYE
15883  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 06:38:59 am
I believe I can do a good job of bringing forward an ideology that is badly underrepresented in the Senate.

I have no doubts that you'd represent your ideology passionately Wink
15884  General Politics / Economics / Re: GM = bankrupt on: June 01, 2009, 05:21:25 am
The competition aspect troubles me the most....Ford is now being punished for being more successful than GM.
15885  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Marokai Blue for Senator: We Need a Balance on: June 01, 2009, 05:06:21 am
I think your accusations that the Senate conducts insufficient debate are somewhat exaggerated.
15886  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay Marriage/Civil Unions in 10 years on: June 01, 2009, 04:53:10 am

So, to all the gay people and left wing people in America, the UK is the place to live!

Unless you believe in freedom of speech of course.

So, where's your evidence that there's no Freedom of Speech in the UK then?  Hmm?  I can assure that there's plenty.  Tongue  Wink

     He's referring to the strict slander & libel laws in the UK.

They can be, as you say, somewhat strict (in a sense- the onus of proof is always on the defendant here), but I doubt that's grounds for a complete absence of Free Speech though.

Of course not...but you must realize who made that claim Smiley
15887  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: 2009 New Jersey Governor's Race on: June 01, 2009, 04:45:15 am
This Boss guy is absolutely hillarious. How much of the vote might he get?
15888  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should George Tiller's killer receive the death penalty? on: June 01, 2009, 04:34:27 am
No/Pro-life.

There is no crime that justifies another. The end result of a life taken at the hands of the state and a life taken at the hands of a murderer and a life taken at the hands of an abortion doctor is the same. There is no crime that supercedes the act of ending a life, no matter the conditions.

In sentencing this man to death, we are arbitrarily proclaiming to know the future, and the future is this: no matter what this man were to ever do, no matter what this man were to ever say, no matter what this man were to ever feel, no matter what this man were to ever atone for, he is always and forever the sum of less than human, and that as such, we, permanently above this man, can remove him from our world with all the callousness of an act that he once did himself. We are proclaiming that there can be no forgiveness, no atonement and that his life is nothing more than one instant of evil.

There should be harsh punishment for the killing, but not death. We are only killing ourselves with his execution, scarring out the soul of humanity reproached corpse by reproached corpse.

Yep....you described my feelings pretty well Smiley
15889  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Kind of an idea for a project on: June 01, 2009, 04:28:03 am
Is this ever going to amount to anything? Smiley
15890  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 60 on: May 31, 2009, 05:32:09 pm
It's none of anyone's business if I want to fly out my windshield.

Even if you require medical treatment that you can't pay for?
15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Affirmative Action Bill (Debating) on: May 31, 2009, 04:22:18 pm
I'm not quite sure where I stand on that amendment....I need to think about it.

Regardless, I will not accept it as friendly because I would like to see where my fellow senators stand....I request a vote on it.
15892  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Punishment Abolition Amendment to the Constitution (Debating) on: May 31, 2009, 04:10:35 pm
     I've given this thought, & I'm not sure that capital punishment is something that should be necessarily ruled out for regions to use in extreme cases.

Why should it be any different than for the federal government?

     I would prefer generally decentralized power. Regions have the freedom to eliminate the death penalty themselves, but I don't see the great need to force it on a region that does not wish to forgo the option of using the death penalty.

I generally agree with the sentiment...but it seems like some things have to be restricted at the highest possible level. You wouldn't support allowing regions to decide if they wanted to use torture, would you?

Now you may claim that the death penalty is different....but for me at least, the only difference is current legality.

I think the federal government has the right...and the responsibility...to use its power accordingly to protect human rights.

     I think the death penalty, carried out properly, could be considered more humane than life imprisonment without possibility of parole, especially for younger offenders who may face 60-70 years in prison. I would gladly support an amendment mandating that any executions occur via guillotine, but I do not know about this. I may just choose to abstain, but I don't know yet.

Fair enough. It's a a personal opinion, of course.
15893  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Punishment Abolition Amendment to the Constitution (Debating) on: May 31, 2009, 03:58:29 pm
     I've given this thought, & I'm not sure that capital punishment is something that should be necessarily ruled out for regions to use in extreme cases.

Why should it be any different than for the federal government?

     I would prefer generally decentralized power. Regions have the freedom to eliminate the death penalty themselves, but I don't see the great need to force it on a region that does not wish to forgo the option of using the death penalty.

I generally agree with the sentiment...but it seems like some things have to be restricted at the highest possible level. You wouldn't support allowing regions to decide if they wanted to use torture, would you?

Now you may claim that the death penalty is different....but for me at least, the only difference is current legality.

I think the federal government has the right...and the responsibility...to use its power accordingly to protect human rights.
15894  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Capital Punishment Abolition Amendment to the Constitution (Debating) on: May 31, 2009, 03:41:54 pm
     I've given this thought, & I'm not sure that capital punishment is something that should be necessarily ruled out for regions to use in extreme cases.

Why should it be any different than for the federal government?
15895  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Affirmative Action Bill (Debating) on: May 31, 2009, 03:24:38 pm
That is indeed disturbing, and it needs to be corrected. Do you believe that these circumstances in public schools exist because of race alone?

It's rather interesting actually.  These academies were set up in the late 60s and early 70s by white parents who were opposed to integration.  If you talk to the folks that live there, they will say that they merely continue to send their children to these private schools "out of tradition," or they embrace the mantra of these academies about "a quality education" (a not-so-subtle reference to the state of the black-occupied public system).  It's not so much about income as these schools are quite cheap in tuition so that poor whites can afford to send their children there.  They will say that it has nothing to do with race, but the statistics don't lie.

Of course these schools claim that they don't discriminate on the basis of race, and their crumbling statuses across the Black Belt have forced some of them to begin accepting a small number of black students, often in conjunction with improving the competitiveness of their sports teams.  It's ironic that these private schools are in many ways actually extremely inadequate compared to the public system - and of course they are likely to teach creationism, nationalism, and Confederate pride in the classroom.  No one in these communities actually has access to a decent education, not just blacks.  Here is one such example of a school I'm talking about:
Humphreys Academy, in Belzoni, Humphreys County, MS.

Have a look through the photos and tell me if you would pick that the town of Belzoni is 68.06% black.  (The public school district for Humphreys County is 96% black, however.  Hmm...)

I've gone off on a tangent, here, I suppose, but my point is that in a system where whites and blacks are still de facto segregated (even if there has been, in the last decade, minimal integration - these places don't want to be investigated by the IRS), given the dynamics that would lead to a situation like that, do you think blacks are given an equal opportunity, regardless of income?
 
I mean, what about the Whites that go to the very same schools, why should the Blacks get the prefered treatment?

Fair question, but affirmative action is not yet outdated.  It is clear to me that racial inequalities still exist throughout the education system, for a number of reasons.  Of course I support taking income into account as well.  If we have two students of equal academic performance, and one is from a wealthy black family, and the other is from a poor white family, we would have to take their socioeconomic backgrounds into consideration.

Yes, but as with affirmative action, it served a purpose at one point.

If we acknowledge that affirmative action served a purpose at one point, then is it fair to call the program inherently racist?

By the way, I would dispute that the Bureau of Indian Affairs has outlived its usefulness - the level of poverty on some Indian reservations is disgraceful.  Shannon and Todd counties, SD, are places where people do not necessarily have indoor plumbing.

Yeah, I don't disagree with you, but my main point is what you said yourself:

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No one in these communities actually has access to a decent education, not just blacks.


I think our main priority should be improving the public school system in areas like that, which of course, is easier said than done, but it'd be superior to artificially supporting one race over another, especially when you agree that the dire state of education in states like Mississippi affects people of every race.

Although I am generally opposed to the idea of vouchers for private schools, I would be willing to consider them on a limited basis for places like this, at least for the time being.

Ultimately, though, I don't think affirmative action can be justified....it's simply too artificial. How are we ever to know when minorites no longer need that support? Or will it ever end? I think minorities will always claim that they're put a disadvantage (and yes...I'm not arguiing that they don't experience difficulties that White wouldn't). Eventually Whites will also be a minority...will we then create an "affirmative action" program for them?

We can and should provide assistance to people of exceptional talent and limited financial means....and I contend that those qualities are much more likely among ethnic minorities at present. I think that they can be effectively supported under that kind of system.
15896  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Euros 2009 Television Coverage on: May 31, 2009, 02:57:32 pm
When does all of this come to an end? For example, I know Italy (and some other countries) set aside two days to vote and the last day for Italy is next Sunday (June 7th). Is that the very last day for all voting everywhere?

Sunday night is the last day for the entire EU.

I may be wrong, but I don't know of any other countries, besides Itlay, that votes on more than one day.

I think the last polls close at 10pm central European time on Sunday.
15897  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Pbrower2 on: May 31, 2009, 02:12:52 pm
HP, an overrated partisan hack that keeps repeating the same stuff, as if that made it true.
15898  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Things about other posters you have wondered but never been answered on: May 31, 2009, 12:30:50 pm
I wonder if Lunar ever sleeps.

That's a good question

I used to have a job that had me working until 3 am, I figure I might as well not bother trying to regulate myself back to normal since I'm moving to Indonesia in two weeks

Indonesia? For a really extended period? Interesting Smiley
15899  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Election to replace DWTL on: May 31, 2009, 12:17:35 pm
Why does he need replacing?

He's been inactive for 3 weeks....that automatically makes his seat vacant.
15900  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: is the preceding atlasian a hack for either political party? on: May 31, 2009, 12:15:29 pm
Hack? Yes

Partisan Hack? No
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