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15876  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 25, 2009, 11:26:10 am
the concept of "Earth Day" is such a joke and apparently most politicians treat it as such

Especially since one of the founders of the day was a murderer.

certainly nothing to approve of....but what does the person that started something (in this case a "holiday" or whatever) have to do with the merits of the thing itself?



Exactly. David Duke should not tarnish the reputation of the KKK.

No that's not my point. The KKK, by its very ideology, is disgusting enough. It doesn't need an idiot (of that same ideology) to ruin its reputation.

My point is that a group or movement can certainly have a positive nature and be good for something despite the actions of some of its members (or its founder, leader, etc.).
15877  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Missouri to use Stimulus Money to Cut Taxes on: April 25, 2009, 11:22:22 am
Good. This is a better use of the money. Let the American people have the money, what's wrong with that?

because the people aren't as likely to spend it during this economic crisis, which results in a lower eonomic stimulus than targeted investments by the government (in theory at least).

Ya, except when the government actually tries to do stuff itself, well some money for some reason just tends to get "lost" somewhere. It is kind of like a tax. It is "cheaper" to just send the money straight into the wallets of the local denizens, don't you think?

Now I certainly don't claim to be an economist or anything.....and I know you are practically an expert Wink, but even if tax cuts are "cheaper" in that sense...what does that ultimately have to do with the stimulating effect? If people are likely to save the extra money they get (although I don't know if that's entirely the case.....I think it has a lot to do with psychology....whether they believe they can afford to spend money), wouldn't it then take a greater amount of time to stimulate the economy?

Don't government expidentures (obviously ones that are conducted properly) have the advantage of immediate effects? As opposed to a small tax increase of 0.5% (as proposed in Missouri) that a majority of people might either save....or use to pay off debt, or whatever?

That's not to say I oppose tax breaks...some middle ground probably has to be found, but is it wise to just put money back in pockets without having any idea about whether it'll ultimately help the economy?



Concerning the federal stimulus package in total....I personally think it could have been conducted much better than it actually was, and that there was quite a bit more potential to make it more stimulating (you'll probably agree and you certainly know more about it Wink).
15878  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 25, 2009, 11:15:29 am
the concept of "Earth Day" is such a joke and apparently most politicians treat it as such

Especially since one of the founders of the day was a murderer.

certainly nothing to approve of....but what does the person that started something (in this case a "holiday" or whatever) have to do with the merits of the thing itself?

15879  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Missouri to use Stimulus Money to Cut Taxes on: April 25, 2009, 11:12:02 am
Good. This is a better use of the money. Let the American people have the money, what's wrong with that?

because the people aren't as likely to spend it during this economic crisis, which results in a lower eonomic stimulus than targeted investments by the government (in theory at least).
15880  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: office of Senator Franzl on: April 25, 2009, 11:08:09 am
It seems the Senate operates on bursts of activity, never anything constant. For one week the Senate may move along swiftly, another, no one may do anything at all.

I was actually a bit surprised, when I was browsing the other night to see if there were any laws in need of being wiki'd and then realized none had been completed since the one I wiki'd ten days ago or so. Tongue

It's weird, yeah.

Of course....the first couple of weeks of any Senate are usually the most active......so I guess there will be more activity again in a couple of days.

The big problem, though, is that there are some things that need to be passed before this session is over.
15881  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: office of Senator Franzl on: April 25, 2009, 10:57:40 am
As this Senate comes to an end next week, I just want to congratulate all my fellow senators for the good work they did. We passed lots of important legislation that will help Atlasia and the constituents we represent.

Despite all our accomplishments, I must say that I have become quite frustrated and disappointed due to the recent level of total inactivity. Simple votes should not take several days to complete (assuming someone isn't away from home or something, but even then it shouldn't affect all senators..) , and I would humbly request that my fellow senators take their duties more seriously in that regard.

That sounds a little hard....and I certainly don't mean to insult anybody......as I said, I'm quite proud of this group of legislators for several reasons, and it has been a pleasure working with you all. I'm happy to see many members of this Senate in the upcoming one, and I'm looking forward to greeting a couple of new senators.

15882  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Middle East Peace Act of 2009 II (Open for Debate) on: April 25, 2009, 04:04:53 am
5 votes out of 10 after the vote has been going for 30 hours.....excellent.
15883  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: CO2 cap-and-trade bill (Open for Debate) on: April 25, 2009, 04:04:08 am
We can't even get enough votes to pass in 24 hours? Sad

15884  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poster Most Similar To Proceeding Poster on: April 24, 2009, 07:38:06 pm
Eraserhead
15885  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Banning Muslim headscarves on: April 24, 2009, 01:15:08 pm
Firstly, I don't think they should be banned.  People can wear whatever they want. 

Secondly, I'm very surprised by the fact that U.S. is more accepting than France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc. 

America <3s Freedom!!

I'm not surprised at all that America is more tolerant.
15886  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: jmfcst's Israel/Iran threads on: April 24, 2009, 10:46:58 am
Glad to see JMF gets it.

uh huh....

15887  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should transgender people tell their sexual partners they are transgender? on: April 24, 2009, 10:37:58 am
I'd certainly want to know.

(no offense to transgenders....but, ummm......that'd make me sick)
15888  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The "Repair Our Wiki" Project! (R.O.W.) on: April 24, 2009, 10:27:44 am
We need a page for the Thirtieth Senate. I would do it myself but sadly I suck at working the wiki.

I'll work on that.

There already is such a page, BTW.

You can reach it if you put in "Thirtieth Senate", but I don't think there's a link to it anywhere.
15889  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 24, 2009, 10:01:29 am
The king can do as he pleases.

Obviously totally unusual for Presidents to do.....absolutely shameful.
15890  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: CO2 cap-and-trade bill (Open for Debate) on: April 24, 2009, 09:51:30 am
Aye
15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: CO2 cap-and-trade bill (Open for Debate) on: April 24, 2009, 06:45:06 am
As nobody seems to want to comment, and it has been 24 hours since I put up my proposal, I wish to call a final vote on this legislation.
15892  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Middle East Peace Act of 2009 II (Open for Debate) on: April 24, 2009, 01:18:59 am
Aye
15893  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Repeal of the Illegal Immigrant Act (Open for Debate) on: April 24, 2009, 01:18:28 am
Aye
15894  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Poster Most Similar To Proceeding Poster on: April 23, 2009, 06:00:27 pm
Purple State
15895  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Middle East Peace Act of 2009 II (Open for Debate) on: April 23, 2009, 05:28:35 pm
Cloture is guaranteed now...not sure if we can finalize it though....

15896  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Castle's Door is Open on: April 23, 2009, 04:45:28 pm
There's a good chance I'd support Castle.
15897  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1964 Republican Primaries on: April 23, 2009, 03:50:42 pm
Rockefeller
15898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 23, 2009, 02:36:32 pm
I understand a 737 uses less fuel than an old 747....but come on, let's be reasonable.
15899  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 23, 2009, 02:35:59 pm
Yawn.

^^^

Conservatives had a point when they criticized Al Gore for how much energy his mansion used. But give me a break... Politicians have to fly around a lot.
If he really cared that much wouldn't he just 'downgrade' to first class on some non-private airline with about 100 bodyguards by his side or something?

What's the difference then, if he fills up the entire plane?
15900  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Abortion on: April 23, 2009, 01:49:35 pm
50-90% pro-life

although I'm not completely pro-life and I agree with Torie on most details, I think.
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