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15876  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm a registered voter on: July 06, 2009, 05:23:05 am
Umm, congratulations. I'm a registered voter in 2 countries. Top that! Wink
15877  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia - At-large Senate Special Election on: July 05, 2009, 05:27:36 pm
I am also a candidate.

Then be sure to declare that in the appropriate thread if you want to be on the ballot.
15878  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Survey Atlasia - At-large Senate Special Election on: July 05, 2009, 05:18:44 pm
completely undecided at this point
15879  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 05, 2009, 03:29:01 pm
One interesting thing is that the typical minimum ages for drinking and those for driving are practically reversed in Europe.

The reason Americans can get a license at 16 is because cities aren't as compact as in Europe. You can practically walk anywhere in European city (or so I've heard) that you need to go. It's different in the US where, because of our geographic size, everything is farther apart and cities themselves are larger geographically. Just some thoughts.

I understand the apparent reasons for getting a license when you're young in the U.S. I sure know I'd need a car if I lived back in Alton, IL right now as I did for 10 years in my earlier life.

I don't know if it's really because you can "walk" within cities in Europe....even if that's true to an extent, there are still lots of (for European standards) "rural" areas where you wouldn't be able to walk. I'd say a far superior public transportation system is the main reason under 18s don't necessarily need to drive a car.

At any rate, I'm not really interested in the reasons for getting a license or not getting one. I was just making a point about the relation between the driving and drinking age, for whatever reason.
15880  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 05, 2009, 03:26:00 pm
Franzl, I'm curious as to your opinion on the idea that, because you have to be 21 to drink alcohol, you have 21 year olds buying drinks for 18 year olds, instead of 18 year olds buy drinks for 15 year olds.

I wouldn't see a problem with that, to be perfectly honest.
15881  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Have you ever ... on: July 05, 2009, 12:34:57 pm
Yes
15882  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Forum World Cup --First round, and team selections on: July 05, 2009, 12:23:28 pm
+1 für Deutschland bitte.
15883  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: HIV test on: July 05, 2009, 12:21:59 pm
All the best Afleitch....but I think/hope you have nothing to worry about Smiley
15884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of this quote. on: July 05, 2009, 12:16:05 pm
tend to agree, yes.
15885  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Fox News: Is Barbour who Democrats fear most? on: July 05, 2009, 12:14:30 pm
Why do you people insist on feeding the troll?
15886  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Re: Reaganfan vs. Jsojourner on: July 05, 2009, 05:19:32 am
the morally responsible choice: JS
15887  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: I'm sold on: July 05, 2009, 03:53:41 am
Is protection from the police force also a privilege?
15888  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Re-ban Stark on: July 05, 2009, 03:37:44 am
Yes, please do.
15889  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 70 on: July 05, 2009, 02:39:39 am
In many cases, yes, but it depends on what exactly.
15890  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 04, 2009, 06:48:06 pm
I agree with Franzl. I find the idea of a Council of Governors abhorrent (Governors alread have a role; as governors) but should one be introduced, regional Senators would have to be abolished.

Well I don't oppose the CoG per se. The role of governor today is largely irrelevant...and personally, I wouldn't have any interest in becoming Governor.

And if we truly went to an entirely at-large Senate, that'd contribute to making Senate elections more interesting, and also add an interesting element to the game by having legislation pass through two hurdles.
15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 04, 2009, 06:37:24 pm
I support regional representation and everything, but we don't need to increase its power.

If a "Council of Governors" were to be created, then I would personally advocate adopting a completely at-large election system for the Senate.

I also wouldn't mind a bi-cameral system in which the regional governors...or people that they nominate...form an "upper house" of some sort.

I just don't think it's really fair to add some sort of regional representation while keeping the Senate the way it is.

15892  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 06:32:18 pm
I think we are getting sidetracked. All I'm trying to say is that if you want to lower the drinking age you should present a valid reason for doing so and not just because "everyone breaks it" or even the "I can do x,y,z too" canard. The reason we have this law is because the perceived benefit is greater than the perceived cost. The only reason to scrap it would be if the costs are demonstrated to exceed the benefits. (Which isn't too convincing http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/health/research/08safe.html?scp=6&sq=drinking+age+deaths&st=nyt)

Notice that neither Franzl or I has used the initial premise of the thread as a reason to legalizing underage drinking.

One interesting thing is that the typical minimum ages for drinking and those for driving are practically reversed in Europe. It's a common argument here in Germany, at least, that being legally able to drink 2 years before getting a drivers license (well...it's one year these days with "learners' permits") allows one to become accustomed to drinking and the effects of having a couple of drinks....which in theory is supposed to keep people from drinking and driving once they're legally allowed to drive.

Of course...I'm not sure how true that is in practice, considering that almost every American teenager has had alcohol before despite drinking laws.

Although I think you're certainly right in saying that "legal" drinking would make teenagers more responsible...by allowing them to consume 1-2 drinks in a bar or restaurant and not having to "get the most" out of drinking on some Saturday night just because it's one of the few times they have access to alcohol. The general drinking mentality is important, and I get the feeling in the U.S. among many young people that they drink primarily to get drunk. I think this, as you suggested, is partially a result of wanting to abuse the "forbidden fruit", so to say.
15893  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Retrospective approval rating on: July 04, 2009, 05:38:03 pm
Specifically concerning roads.....how, may I ask, are corporations supposed to compete? If there's only a limited amount of space, how do you expect 2 or more sets of roads to be built?
15894  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 04:16:55 pm
Common sense doesn't appear to be your strength.

Says the guy who apparently thinks drinking a beer is as important as driving, voting, and working.

I won't respond to any more of your posts if your purpose is just to insult me.


lol, that's an easy way out, isn't it?

I never stated that drinking beer is as "important" as the things you mentioned. I simply stated that prohibition for people under 21 is illogical, and doesn't really have any positive effects. The U.S. is the one of the only countries to have a drinking age higher than the age of majority. Many European countries' drinking ages are lower than 18.

I don't consider something to be right just because it's the current law, as you appear to think.

It's well documented that it has saved lives. But that's not the point. The point is that most people support it because they believe that less young people drinking is preferable to more accidents. If you want to overturn it you need public opinion on your side. It shouldn't be overturned just because "everyone breaks it".


You're going around in circles here. You're seriously using public opinion as an argument? That's pretty dangerous in my opinion, to claim that something is correct simply because most people think it's correct.

I don't believe that the drinking age has very much to do with accident rates. As previously stated, other countries manage....or are you saying that Americans simply can't drive?

15895  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Employee Free Choice Act on: July 04, 2009, 04:09:08 pm
There's no real reason to vote against this other than "I hate unions."

Aye, of course.

I don't hate unions. I do hate potential intimidation.
15896  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 03:51:29 pm
Common sense doesn't appear to be your strength.

Says the guy who apparently thinks drinking a beer is as important as driving, voting, and working.

I won't respond to any more of your posts if your purpose is just to insult me.


lol, that's an easy way out, isn't it?

I never stated that drinking beer is as "important" as the things you mentioned. I simply stated that prohibition for people under 21 is illogical, and doesn't really have any positive effects. The U.S. is the one of the only countries to have a drinking age higher than the age of majority. Many European countries' drinking ages are lower than 18.

I don't consider something to be right just because it's the current law, as you appear to think.
15897  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How many votes will the media get for Obama this time? on: July 04, 2009, 02:47:50 pm
It's exactly what you said.

"I can't imagine this guy getting elected without the media".

That means you assume that McCain would have won if there hadn't been media coverage.

He probably would have won if there was fair media coverage. But I'm also referring to the Hillary/Obama match.


so how is my claim false?
15898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What should be done about laws that everyone breaks? on: July 04, 2009, 02:37:07 pm
Common sense doesn't appear to be your strength.
15899  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Employee Free Choice Act on: July 04, 2009, 02:15:30 pm
I - NAY
15900  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: DWTL is Running for Something on: July 04, 2009, 02:04:45 pm
Good to see you active again and involved in Atlasia Smiley
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