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15876  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the preceding forumite was elected President, how large would the victory be? on: June 30, 2009, 05:32:42 pm
FL 2000
15877  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: question for democrats? (mn senate edition) on: June 30, 2009, 05:03:26 pm
If I were an official Democrat, Franken certainly wouldn't make me ashamed. There are other Democrats that would.
15878  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Republic of Atlasia Revolutionary Central Office on: June 30, 2009, 04:42:15 pm
lol
15879  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MN Supreme Court backs Franken for Senate ! on: June 30, 2009, 04:25:33 pm
Whatever you may think of Franken, it's good that the voters decision is now finally going to be respected.
15880  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Atlasia-South Korea Free Trade Bill (At Final Vote) on: June 30, 2009, 04:14:55 pm
Aye
15881  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: No offense to anyone but.... on: June 30, 2009, 11:41:34 am
I'm gradually becoming less and less religious.

Somewhere between "somewhat" and "not at all", as Harry.
15882  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Study shows Prop 8 exit polls wrong about level of support amongst Blacks. on: June 30, 2009, 11:39:13 am
Alcon, Joe, or anyone else

If you have lots of time, you may be interested in the following scientific paper that points out flaws in positive studies on the impact of same sex parenting.       

http://www.marriagewatch.org/publications/nobasis.pdf

What do positive or negative "impacts" have to do with whether or not rights should be granted?

I don't accept that any negative impact would be the result....but even if you do, why don't you support banning numerous other things that have a "negative impact" on society?
15883  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years in Prison on: June 30, 2009, 11:35:56 am
Regardless of whether 150 years are really realistic.....it has the same effect: this man won't be free in his life again.

That's justice.

in a perverted Western sense, sure it is, though it doesn't and won't make anybody's life any better.

true enough, but even if you believe that life in prison (150 years) is too harsh....don't you think he deserves some type of punishment?
15884  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should your personal conduct affect your political opinion on: June 30, 2009, 11:31:22 am
I find myself wondering why so many posters get upset because others don't let their personal conduct influence their political thinking.   I may smoke pot, have sex parties etc.
But should this affect my Public policy positions?

Another example would be a senator who speeds past the posted speed limit.  Should he now be for rising the speed limit?

What you just described is called "hypocrisy" Smiley

Oh, and yes, speed limits in the U.S. should definitely be raised...!

Not really.

Like the example i gave.  Just because the senator speeds doesn't now mean he should support rising the speed limit.

Mixing your personal conduct with your public policy positions is a recipe for disaster IMO.

I think this is a question more aimed at what i see going on on the forum among posters.  In reality politicans have personal views they don't dare express. politically.

Ah the old "Do as I say, not as I do"? Smiley

Yes, it is.

However its reality isn't it?

Indeed, it is reality, but that doesn't make it less hypocritical.
15885  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should your personal conduct affect your political opinion on: June 30, 2009, 11:23:16 am
I find myself wondering why so many posters get upset because others don't let their personal conduct influence their political thinking.   I may smoke pot, have sex parties etc.
But should this affect my Public policy positions?

Another example would be a senator who speeds past the posted speed limit.  Should he now be for rising the speed limit?

What you just described is called "hypocrisy" Smiley

Oh, and yes, speed limits in the U.S. should definitely be raised...!

Not really.

Like the example i gave.  Just because the senator speeds doesn't now mean he should support rising the speed limit.

Mixing your personal conduct with your public policy positions is a recipe for disaster IMO.

I think this is a question more aimed at what i see going on on the forum among posters.  In reality politicans have personal views they don't dare express. politically.

Ah the old "Do as I say, not as I do"? Smiley
15886  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you support a public option in health care reform? on: June 30, 2009, 11:00:35 am
Even in civilized European countries with government insurance, many people still have private plans to add on to their public coverage.

Yes, I do, for example. (My dad's a teacher in Germany...and there's some type of requirement for employees of the state....or something like that Wink)

It doesn't drive private insurance out of business, but it's certainly not fair competition. There are lots of problems with the German health system (and I don't mean rationing or whatever else Republicans like to cry wolf about), my aunt's a hospital doctor in Germany and her salary is just plain absurd compared to what she'd make in many other countries.

I don't like the idea of government insurance, personally, although I think it may be the only way to actually ensure that everybody has access to healthcare. Ensuring access is imperative, in my opinion.

So all in all, I'm still kind of undecided in what I'd really support happening in the U.S. What is clear for me is that the current American system is a bad joke.
15887  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should your personal conduct affect your political opinion on: June 30, 2009, 10:52:47 am
I find myself wondering why so many posters get upset because others don't let their personal conduct influence their political thinking.   I may smoke pot, have sex parties etc.
But should this affect my Public policy positions?

Another example would be a senator who speeds past the posted speed limit.  Should he now be for rising the speed limit?

What you just described is called "hypocrisy" Smiley

Oh, and yes, speed limits in the U.S. should definitely be raised...!
15888  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you like about the preceding poster? on: June 30, 2009, 10:44:39 am
his sarcasm...his posts often make me laugh Smiley

Good fellow.
15889  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: I step down. on: June 30, 2009, 10:33:39 am
This really does upset me, and I don't appreciate being fooled like this. I regret having voted for you.
15890  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the climate/environmental issues important to you? on: June 30, 2009, 06:23:36 am
I find it funny how lots of conservatives disregard the majority scientific opinion because it doesn't fit their views and preferences.

It's certainly something that needs to be debated...how to best combat climate change, and to what extent we even can, but problems are never solved by denying that they exist (as in the first several years of the Bush adminstration).

15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Mideast Voting Booth: Intelligent Voting Amendment to the Constitution on: June 30, 2009, 06:05:29 am
Aye
15892  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: I just couldn't stand it anymore on: June 29, 2009, 05:17:04 pm
Thanks for sharing.
15893  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: U.S. Democrats vs Canadian Liberals on: June 29, 2009, 05:12:28 pm
impossible to answer, because (particularly in the U.S.), the individual candidate is of immense importance.

15894  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Predict who will be governor.... on: June 29, 2009, 05:09:34 pm
I see quite a few posts predicting Quinn to be elected Gov in IL in 2010. Do those posts assume that AG Lisa Madigan will be running for Senate? I don't see Madigan losing a primary battle with Quinn if she runs for Gov, but a large number of GOPers are lining up for Gov hoping in part that Madigan will shift to Senate.

I agree that Madigan would likely beat Quinn in a primary. I sincerely hope that Madigan runs for Senate instead...
15895  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Climate Change Bill Set for Vote in the House on: June 29, 2009, 05:01:23 pm
For instance, is it really necessary to keep your thermostat at 70 in the summer, and around the same during the winter?  Is it really that irksome just to get yourself a fan and give your AC a break?  What about wearing a sweater in the house instead of walking around in shorts and T-shirts during the winter?  And how troublesome is it to keep lights off throughout the house in rooms no one is in?  How about turning your computer off at the end of the day?   

Is it really any of your or the states business what I do in my own home? But that's ok, if the govt tries to force this on us I'll simply violate the "codes" and do as I please.

You're absolutely right...you're free to use as much energy as you want and can. Just please don't complain about higher energy costs then if you don't care to reduce your usage at all.
15896  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are the climate/environmental issues important to you? on: June 29, 2009, 04:04:28 pm
They're pretty important to me. Always saying there are more important things to worry about will lead to nothing ever being accomplished on the climate front.

Of course....in contrast to the original poster, I may still be around when the fun really starts Wink
15897  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama and Indefinite Detention on: June 29, 2009, 03:46:41 pm
I don't like the principle either....although it does seem to be quite the sticky situation.
15898  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years in Prison on: June 29, 2009, 03:45:44 pm
A bit harsh. All he did was rob money off the rich. They deserved it anyway.

wonderful logic.... Roll Eyes
15899  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you like about the preceding poster? on: June 29, 2009, 03:39:51 pm
His friendliness and humility
15900  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Third Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral Reform Act (Veto Override Vote) on: June 29, 2009, 03:38:08 pm
Aye
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