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15876  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Celebrate Independence Day on: July 04, 2009, 08:47:55 am
God Bless America and no place else!

I'm half-convinced you're trolling at this point. But only half.
15877  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg on: July 04, 2009, 08:33:11 am
Both, duh.

^^
15878  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it unpatriotic to eat "ethnic food" on the 4th of July? on: July 04, 2009, 07:55:02 am
Of course it is unpatriotic. One day of the year to celebrate our nation, and you go and be a traitor. What the hell is wrong with you.

I consider it extremely unpatriotic to lower the defintion of one's "patriotism" to whether he eats hot dogs or waves a flag.
15879  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: A highly biased healthcare poll on: July 04, 2009, 07:52:48 am
Just kidding. Obviously nobody should be denied emergency care but government should otherwise not interfere.

Do you understand the problematic results of only providing emergency care?

Such as people not ever getting proper treatment for things like cancer.

Or that providing "free" treatement in hospital ERs when an "emergency" happens increases the bill for everyone else? It's not like treatment is ever really free of charge, it's just a matter of who ends up paying for it.

Preventive care would keep people from requiring "emergency care" in many cases, and would not only keep people healthier, but would also reduce overall costs.


That said, I'm still undecided myself on whether a government system is desirable, but at the very least, whether through directly public or private means, care must be universal or near-universal. Anything else seems quite dangerous to me.
15880  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How many times a year do you sing the National Anthem? on: July 04, 2009, 07:47:18 am
Umm, why should I?

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15881  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: How many votes will the media get for Obama this time? on: July 04, 2009, 07:37:28 am
The center--lets say 20%--have no core beliefs other than kicking the bums out when times are tough and letting them stay when times are good.

I'm sorry, but I just can't imagine this guy getting elected and perhaps even re-elected without the media serving as his campaign arm. And its not just me. A Pew poll showed that 44% believed media coverage of the McCain campaign was unfair, for comparison 35% thought this for the first Bush and Dole. A similar percentage say the media has too much influence on the election.

lol, so you believe that McCain should have won by default?
15882  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2009 State and Federal elections in Germany on: July 04, 2009, 05:06:21 am
Is that supposed to mean something that you included the far-right with Democratic parties?
15883  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is it unpatriotic to eat "ethnic food" on the 4th of July? on: July 04, 2009, 04:57:32 am
Of course.
15884  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GM Discussion Thread on: July 03, 2009, 06:50:28 pm
One problem with not having a real budget is that we have no idea what really is "responsible" and how much money we have/need.

All these debates are entirely theoretical.
15885  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: GM Discussion Thread on: July 03, 2009, 06:46:41 pm
I'm generally open to the idea of tax cuts, although they should be somewhat responsible and should be combined with investments that are designed to have a stimulating effect.
15886  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should Al Franken receive back pay? on: July 03, 2009, 06:25:38 pm
But alright...I don't want to argue about Florida in 2000.

What leads you to believe that the case in which the Republican won was legitimate, but where the liberal Democrat wins it's a "selection"?

They applied different standards in different counties for counting or throwing out ballots, there was no uniformity, so hence, there was some voter disenfranchisement.

says the Coleman campaign
15887  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should Al Franken receive back pay? on: July 03, 2009, 05:57:32 pm
But alright...I don't want to argue about Florida in 2000.

What leads you to believe that the case in which the Republican won was legitimate, but where the liberal Democrat wins it's a "selection"?
15888  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should Al Franken receive back pay? on: July 03, 2009, 05:55:53 pm
Selected, not elected.

Now, I disagree with your opinion on the Minnesota Senate election, but do you feel this way about Bush in 2000 as well?

I feel they should have recounted all of the ballots.

But didn't the news agencies do that anyway and showed Bush won?

Only using very specific conditions. A full statewide recount would have changed the winner most likely.

And even then we're only talking about the ballots that were cast. They didn't really reflect the will of the electorate.
15889  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Are we ever going to get county data for past elections? on: July 03, 2009, 05:22:10 pm
Is this site ever going to input information on county results for elections prior to 2000?

2000? Do you mean 1960?
15890  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you like about the preceding poster? on: July 03, 2009, 03:33:05 pm
He's German Smiley
15891  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Northeast Senator Hashemite on: July 03, 2009, 01:55:07 pm
Congratulations Mr. Senator, welcome!
15892  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: PPT Declarations Thread on: July 03, 2009, 01:38:53 pm
Yes, I obviously agree. I look forward to enjoying another session with Jedi as PPT.
15893  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: filibusters? on: July 03, 2009, 11:52:07 am
Very unlikely...since when do the Democrats vote together on everything?

That's nonsense.
15894  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: filibusters? on: July 03, 2009, 11:41:15 am
Where did you get that idea?
15895  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should Al Franken receive back pay? on: July 03, 2009, 10:22:50 am
Selected, not elected.

Now, I disagree with your opinion on the Minnesota Senate election, but do you feel this way about Bush in 2000 as well?

Of course not silly!

Bush was a good Republican.

Franken is an eeeeevil librul!!!

Oops, you're right, silly Franzl didn't think of that.
15896  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What do you like about the preceding poster? on: July 03, 2009, 10:20:12 am
He's a happy warrior, and a good friend Smiley
15897  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: should Al Franken receive back pay? on: July 03, 2009, 10:07:39 am
Selected, not elected.

Now, I disagree with your opinion on the Minnesota Senate election, but do you feel this way about Bush in 2000 as well?
15898  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: GERMAN CHANCELLORS SURVIVOR- Round 21- come & vote: just Weimar + Modern left ! on: July 03, 2009, 10:05:14 am
Scheel I guess Smiley

For the simple reason that he was never chancellor.
15899  Forum Community / Survivor / Re: GERMAN CHANCELLORS SURVIVOR- Round 19- come & vote: just Weimar + Modern left ! on: July 03, 2009, 08:29:31 am
but in fact ruined his country and destroyed all the Middle East.

Please explain.
15900  Election Archive / 2010 Gubernatorial Election Polls / Re: PPP OK: GOP post big leads on: July 03, 2009, 08:27:31 am
That wouldn't make that much difference.  Oklahoma has largely moved past the racial tensions of the 50s and 60s. 

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