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17076  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is the preceding member a part of the forum "elite"? on: June 01, 2008, 09:44:25 am
It would seem so.
17077  General Discussion / History / Re: did mary surratt deserved to be hanged? on: June 01, 2008, 09:28:35 am
Of course not.
17078  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SurveyUSA: Majority of Oklahomans deem Casino Themed prom night "inappropriate" on: June 01, 2008, 09:09:13 am
Yeah, so do other types of taxes.  At least gambling is optional.
17079  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SurveyUSA: Majority of Oklahomans deem Casino Themed prom night "inappropriate" on: June 01, 2008, 08:51:08 am
What's wrong with gambling?  It's a tax on the stupid, if there wasn't a tax on the stupid, the rest of us would have to pay more taxes.  I want much much more gambling.  Every gas station should have a slot machine or 10.
17080  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: What are the Most likely nations to form this century? on: June 01, 2008, 06:30:02 am
Kurdistan (it pretty much is already)
Hawaii
Flanders/Wallonia

I agree that Africa will be redrawn but not because the powers that be thought it would be a good idea.  No, they will be redrawn because of war.  China and NATO will be the external forces.  Southern Africa and the Indian Ocean will be the battlefield.  China will lose.  We'll spend trillions "fixing up" southern Africa to "right a wrong" then a decade later they will kick us out, mostly non-violently.
17081  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: SurveyUSA: Majority of Oklahomans deem Casino Themed prom night "inappropria on: June 01, 2008, 06:15:10 am
My Senior Prom was ON a casino boat (the original Alton Belle) but the theme was "Wonderful Tonight" (an Eric Clapton song for the young)



(Eric Clapton is a great guitarist from the UK.  He was in Cream and the Yardbirds.  For the really young and/or ignorant)
17082  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Cluster Bombs on: May 31, 2008, 04:05:39 pm
Safer is good.  Failing a ban or an absolute, ironclad commitment to remediate theaters where we use them, I would be very pleased to know that we were manufacturing safer devices that were extremely difficult to set off post deployment by civilians or conditions.
The one we've used since the first Gulf War link has a less than 1% unexploded ordinance rate and according to Futureweapons on the Military Channel, the next gen is even better.
17083  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Cluster Bombs on: May 31, 2008, 03:26:55 pm
Well they are effective and we do use them/need them or we would have signed the treaty.  You guys don't think we signed it just because W. Bush is pure evil do you?

Actually...pretty close, yes.

I mean, I would bet my left nut the folks who make the cluster bombs have contributed mega-bucks to his various candidacies.  And both he and Dick likely have oodles of cash invested in these companies.  I think that was reason number one for the Iraq War, frankly.  Not oil, not saving Daddy's reputation, not WMD's or spreading democracy...but money.
I don't know, any of that could be true or untrue, we'll probably never know.  But the weapons work.  And the next generation are safer (post war) and more effective against enemy targets.
17084  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Cluster Bombs on: May 31, 2008, 03:13:11 pm
Well they are effective and we do use them/need them or we would have signed the treaty. 

Erm, I think you're missing the point of the treaty. They're not being banned because no-one wants them.
I understand that, but that's not what some people are arguing here.  Some people are saying they are worthless as weapons and that's not true.  They are very valuable weapons.  I wont argue against the argument that goes "they leave many unexploded ordinance on the battlefield and kids get hurt post war, we should ban them for that".  I don't think we should ban them in the US, but there is no argument I could give that could beat that line of thought.

But saying they aren't needed anymore because we aren't looking directly at a war with a major power is a crap argument.  They are still needed.  They are still effective.
17085  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Cluster Bombs on: May 31, 2008, 06:02:11 am
Well they are effective and we do use them/need them or we would have signed the treaty.  You guys don't think we signed it just because W. Bush is pure evil do you?
17086  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Huckabee attacks Libertarianism on: May 31, 2008, 01:07:03 am
How long will it take for Huckabee to realize that socially liberal and economically conservative is not a completely description of libertarianism?

Oversimplified for sure, but that's basically it. I find the two biggest issues among libertarians to be promoting home schooling and gun rights.

Don't forget legalizing drugs!
and prostitution.  We shorten it (and make it sound better) by saying we're against the punishment of victimless crimes.
17087  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies on: May 30, 2008, 11:35:13 pm
I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?
Yes, several of my close friends are libertarians.  Also a good number of my close friends are fundies.  We have lively political debates at times, but we usually talk about other things.
Are they spoiled and rich?
17088  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iraqis claim Marines are pushing Christianity in Fallujah on: May 30, 2008, 11:27:06 pm
Agreed.  Christianity would be great if it wasn't full of Christians.
17089  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Energy Relief Payments on: May 30, 2008, 11:25:34 pm
Yeah, god forbid the state build their own "bridges to nowhere".
17090  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies on: May 30, 2008, 11:03:39 pm
I'm saddened by how ugly you guys look upon Libertarians.  Which Libertarians have told you they wont NO government?  I only hear that from loons.  Have you ever met a Libertarian Harry?  There are a LOT more rich Democrats than there are rich Libertarians and why would a spoiled person NOT want free things from the state?
17091  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iraqis claim Marines are pushing Christianity in Fallujah on: May 30, 2008, 10:54:54 pm
Oh, the outrage!  That free men may spread the good news in savage nations.  Cannot these brave soldiers be likened to the Mormon, who happily goes from house to house preaching the virtues of his holy book?  The outrage ought to be reserved not for the Christian soldier, but for the bleeding heart liberal who stands arm in arm with the Mohammedan.  For them to reject one of the founding principles of this nation - that men ought to have freedom of religion - not freedom from religion - is almost treachery.

If the Mohammedans will reject Christ, peace in the Middle East is but a dream, a chasing after the wind.

Yes, peace can come through Middle East only through the embrace of a religion of peace.  Now it is time for the people of Iraq to make a choiceFor Christ, or against him.
If you're going to rant and make yourself look foolish, at least show your Lord some respect and capitalize "him" when referenceing Him.
17092  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Does Chelsea Clinton have a political future? on: May 30, 2008, 10:51:39 pm
She is Bill's last chance at any kind of legacy, so I'm sure he'll push her that way.
17093  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Apolgoy on: May 30, 2008, 12:11:59 pm
There are VERY few reasons to put somebody on ignore in my opinion.  This is one of them.
17094  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies on: May 30, 2008, 12:09:00 pm
Which political group is considered open minded?
17095  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fun on: May 30, 2008, 07:54:00 am
That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.

"Classical Liberal"? Interesting, what's your opinion on Locke's Tabula Rasa or on the Mazzinian notion of the Nation State?
I have yet to form an opinion on the idea of tabula rosa (the idea that we're born as a blank slate and must learn everything, including how to learn), but I like the idea of a nation state. 

I'd like to think that eventually everyone in the world will have all their basic human rights available to them (and protected from future bad guys with vigilance and force), but obviously we are not there yet.  In the mean time the best way to defeat tyranny is to group together as best we can to fight them.  I'm much more against tyranny than I am say, Socialism.  I don't like Socialism, but by itself it can be tolerable.  Totalitarian or authoritarian govts should never be tolerated.
17096  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How do you pronounce the name of the previous poster... on: May 30, 2008, 07:31:09 am
hash-eh-mite

(or jor-ge  mar-kee-as)
17097  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies on: May 30, 2008, 07:27:46 am
That's an awfully narrow definition of Libertarian.  I use it more in the "classical liberal" kind of way as, I think, most Libertarians do.  No sane Libertarian would put a yellow ribbon magnet on his/her car.
17098  General Politics / Individual Politics / Dems (and others on the left), do you prefer to "battle" Libertarians or Fundies on: May 30, 2008, 06:24:08 am
Wiki claims a lot more "factions" in the GOP. cite  But most of them overlap with big three above.  I'm just curious.  I always assumed the left would be friendlier with Libertarians than they would be with Fundies and other more "traditional" Republicans, but recently I've seen a LOT of anti-Libertarian posts.  Culminating with the thread in U.S. GP where left leaning posters are hammering Libertarians and praising Fundies.  I could have sworn that you guys have been bemoaning the Fundies as the worst thing since Hitler for the past 7 years or so, has Ron Paul scared you?  I have a theory or two as to why this is, but I'll wait and see how this turns out.
17099  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Huckabee attacks Libertarianism on: May 30, 2008, 06:06:57 am
But who would rather have in charge of the Republicans? Fundies or Liberties?  I think that would make a good thread.

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17100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: New York State to Recognize Gay Marriages on: May 30, 2008, 01:49:28 am
To be fair, I've never met a homosexual who has stayed in a relationship longer than a month and having lived in the Bay Area, CA and Santa Fe, NM, I have met my fair share.
..and I've known 6 different gays/lesbians and everyone of them was in a relationship for longer than a month while I knew them.  Many gay men are whores, but so are many straight men.
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