If we're not going to enforce our own laws, we might as well make it as difficult as possible for illegal immigrants just to prove a point, right?

Yes exactly.

This is what happens to liberal political radio commentators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg

One time, 23 years ago?  Maybe that's why liberal talk radio sucks so much, anybody with enough talent to do it properly doesn't have the balls for it.

...The term "working class" comes off as insulting and reeks of Socialism in my opinion.

Well I should hope it 'reeks' as such, because I am a socialist.  But the reason the term 'working class' is offensive is because there is real oppression behind it!  No white person is significantly offended by the term 'honkey', but blacks are terribly offended when whites call them n****r.  Insults only sting when they reflect the actual power relationships, and workers have no power (hence their toil).

I think you meant "percieved power".  A white guy has no position of power over a black buy simply because he's white, no matter what words he uses to try and aquire that power.  If a white guy is surrounded by a half a dozen black guys and calls them "the word that must not be spoken" and then proceeds to get his ass handed to him by the same 6 black guys, exactly what "power" does he have?  Is the word not insulting if it doesn't have that percieved "power" behind it?  Of course it is.  Words can be insulting whether there is a "power relationship" with them or not.   The term "working class" is insulting.  Just like the word "liberal" has been turned into an insult by the Right when in reality it should be considered a compliment by anybody that loves liberty.  But I degress.

But my world is no more right or wrong than yours.  The first line at Wikipedia's entry for Social Class in the US sums it up well.

There is considerable controversy regarding social class in the United States, and it remains a vaguely defined intellectual concept with many theories.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying others aren't wrong either.

Brother, I was arguing for the utility of a theory.  Obviously one can believe whatever one likes, but some theories explain observation better than others.  Of course they're all influenced by ones class, interests, etc., but I'll wager your 'reeks of socialism' comment was implanted in your working class head by parties whose interests are served by your thinking that way.

Doubtlessly.  And I'm sure your way of thinking came about by parties whose interest are served by you thinking that way.

Over half of Americans think that Internet content such as video should be controlled in some way by the government.

Scariest one.

Agree.  That one is the scariest by far.  American's scare the crap out of me sometimes.  Of course these are the same people that flipped out over 1.5 seconds of barely seen nipple and think that talk radio programming should be fair and balanced and not whatever sells the most ad time.

I'd change my name for 100 large though and with proper restrictions, I'd get the "internet" in my brain.  I wouldn't be the FIRST guy though!

So people on the left think the people on the right are angry jerks and vice versa?  Who knew!?

(I'll admit that there are probably more people on the right that want to "Nuke Mecca!" than on the left that want to "Nuke Rush!", but it's probably pretty close.)

[I guess you could say that I find the P.B. the one fluid element in an otherwise incredibly rigid social structure. And I'm one of them.]

I guess you could say that I find the P.B. the one fluid element in an otherwise incredibly rigid social structure.  And I'm one of them.

So, you are "petty" but fancy?

Yeah, I'd say those are reasonably accurate descriptives for me.  But I guess I'm missing your joke..

So the 78th to 98th percentile constitutes the middle class? You may need to reconsider the meaning of middle.

memphis, I'm talking about Class here, not 'middle' in the sense of the middle of the income spectrum.  It is meaningless to consider one worker who makes 50K much different from another that makes 40K.  The the classes I call 'middle' in my analysis above are people who have advantages above the ordinary worker, and yes they are only maybe 20% of the population.. the working class are at least 75% or more of the populatoin.

Well that's how you define it, others, obviously, think differently than you do on the subject.  In my world if you don't own property and make less than 40k a year and are still living pay check to pay check, you're poor.  If you make more than 50k a year or make more than 40 and own a home, then you're in the middle class.  If you make over 250k or have assets valued over a million, then you're rich (or some odd combination of those 2 stats...like if you make 200k and have 3/4's of a million in assets, you obviously aint middle class).  The term "working class" comes off as insulting and reeks of Socialism in my opinion.
But my world is no more right or wrong than yours.  The first line at Wikipedia's entry for Social Class in the US sums it up well.

There is considerable controversy regarding social class in the United States, and it remains a vaguely defined intellectual concept with many theories.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying others aren't wrong either.

Easy.  Russia has more nukes.

Acctually, when I was younger and had no life at all, I developed a strategy for how an army of about 50 million could successfully invade the US.  Granted, that's a very large army, so you would need China, India or an international cooalition... and you would also need the cooperation of either Canada or Mexico, but preferably both.  You couldn't take the whole thing, but you would be able to force us into submission.  Not that hard really.

In a side note, the only three countries I determine probably could not be successfully invaded were... suprise, India, China and Russia.

Even if you had a 50 million man army and had allies that bordered India, China or Russia?  I'd argue that it would be MUCH easier to invade and control any of those 3 over America.  The populations of those countries are used to being controlled by force, in fact, it almost seems like Russians crave being put under the boot of an evil leader.  Americans on the other hand tend to be pretty spoiled on Freedom and Liberty, so much so that we take them for granted.  Take those away from us and we'll make the Iraqi insurgency look like child's play.  Plus, it would be much eaiser to get the Ukraine, Latvia and Finland to play along with an invasion of Russia than it would be to get Canada and Mexico to play along with an invasion of the US.

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I call shenanigans on the poll.  49% of Americans know who Kucinich is enough to know they wont vote for him?  Bull Fudge.