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17076  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which method of mining should we use? on: February 04, 2009, 05:07:15 am
(and so as not to get hijacked over silly things, we'll limit this to the mining of coal)

The first three options are all methods of Surface Mining, the last one includes several different specific ways to do it, but they are all basically tunnels in the ground.  Wiki's for each one:
Open Pit
Mountaintop Removal
Strip mining
underground

They all suck for the environment, but we need this stuff.  The first three are much harder on the environment...at least the part we can see and if we can't see it, it's not really all that bad is it? (tell that to people that live on top of a Coal Seam Fire)  The last one is much more expensive and much much more dangerous for the employees.


(and please don't just post that we shouldn't use coal, we should switch to nuclear power, we shouldn't mine anything anywhere ever, etc.  We HAVE to mine coal, period, how do you think we should get the majority of it, that is the question.)
17077  General Politics / Economics / Re: auto sales crash in January on: February 04, 2009, 04:40:42 am
I think the K car was part of the problem.  Pieces of sh**t, all of 'em.  They told us to "buy American", we did and we were dissapointed.  I know they helped "save" Chyrsler, but really, those cars sucked rocks compared to the Toyota's and Honda's of the same time.  Hell, now-a-days I think I see more Escorts and Cavaliers from that era than I do K cars.  On that same line, I think I'm seeing more Feiros on the road now than I have at anytime in the last 15 years.  That probably has a lot to do with the plastic bodies and the ability to stick pretty much any common GM engine in them.  Even small block V8s.  How fast would a Fiero with a nicely modded 350 go?  Sick fast, that's the answer (assuming you had tires/suspension that could handle that kind of power).  Anybody else seeing a lot of Fieros on the road?
17078  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: What It Feels Like To Be A Libertarian on: February 04, 2009, 03:00:04 am
No, libertarian societies don't exist today, but they did exist once upon a time.
cite? 
17079  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Mountaintop Removal Mining for Coal on: February 04, 2009, 02:56:37 am
What type of mining do you prefer?
17080  General Politics / Economics / Re: auto sales crash in January on: February 04, 2009, 02:50:13 am
I'm still trying to figure out what they did with all the cash they made off the SUV boom.  They certainly didn't reinvest it in R&D for efficient vehicles like they should have.  If they can't run their companies, they don't deserve to stay in business.  Bankruptcy is the correct option here, sell off the assets, let the buyers of the assets make cars.  Maybe they will do a better job.  If not, the next guy with a few billion to blow will give it a go.
17081  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Minimum Wage at $10 Nationwide on: February 03, 2009, 08:58:15 am
I don't know if you guys know this and I missed the joke or what, but that aint original.cite
17082  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: General Petraeus undermining the Commander in Chief? on: February 03, 2009, 08:45:06 am
I think we all agree that at the end of the day, all decisions on when to use the military or not rest in the hands of Obama and his staff.  I also think (and I'm assuming Mike does too) that Obama should at least hear his Generals out.  It's not particularly clear if he did that or not.  If he did, then good, that's all we can ask.  If he had his mind made up already and it didn't matter what they told him, then that's a problem.

(Not that I wouldn't be a little leery of Generals that were big Bush supporters if I were Obama.  I don't know if he needs to be or not, but I can certainly understand if he is.)
17083  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Mountaintop Removal Mining for Coal on: February 03, 2009, 07:30:11 am
I agree, we should use more nuclear power, but clearly some enviro wackos still have sand in their vagina over it and will bitch to high heaven.  Of course these people bitch to high heaven about everything and most of us stopped listening years ago.
17084  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: General Petraeus undermining the Commander in Chief? on: February 03, 2009, 04:02:01 am
With what happened in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq I and Lebanon can you blame us?
17085  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can anyone defend the Doc in the Cali octuplet dealy on: February 03, 2009, 03:07:41 am
Funny how the fact that the mother is arabic means that the liberals and libertarians(with the notable exception of Dead0man) are coming out to defend her. If the mother was white they'd be condemning her.
I'm mostly liberal (in the American sense) and I'm condeming her. I would condemn her regardless of skin colour.
Right, I didn't learn she was a Pali until long after I found out she was a selfish bitch.
17086  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Mountaintop Removal Mining for Coal on: February 03, 2009, 03:04:12 am
I am adamantly opposed to this type of mining.
What type of mining do you like?
17087  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should online military voting be legal? on: February 03, 2009, 03:03:01 am
If you're going to disenfranchise anybody it might as well be the ones in position to die defending* the rest of us.  We're America after all. </sarcasm>

Anybody that would purposefully keep a group of people that tends to vote opposite of them from the polls is a douchebag of the highest order.  Sadly the comments were from people we allready knew were douchebags.




*I'm not saying any of the current wars count as such, which is why I worded it the way I did.
17088  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Issue, part 16 on: February 03, 2009, 02:55:11 am
lean no, but I agree with repeated quote.
17089  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama cabinet is turning into a cabinet of tax dodgers.......... on: February 03, 2009, 02:53:25 am
The two parties in power love the old "but your side did it too" excuse.  Americans are much too stupid to do anything about it though.
17090  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: General Petraeus undermining the Commander in Chief? on: February 03, 2009, 02:49:54 am
Here comes the revolution!
17091  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: AP: North Korea warns of possible unavoidable war with South Korea on: February 02, 2009, 11:34:52 am
Not that I know of.  I was thinking more from the locals perspective.
17092  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the European Union on: February 02, 2009, 11:01:08 am
If that's what Euro's think is best, who am I to complain?  People can still leave if they want to (as long as they have some place to go).  I'm saddened by your lack of basic freedoms sometimes, but since you're free to go to a place with true Freedom of Speech I can't bitch too much. 

It's good to have different types of govt. around, history will get to see what worked and what didn't and future peoples will be able to use that information to further fine tune the govt of their time.  Or at least argue about it.
17093  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should online military voting be legal? on: February 02, 2009, 10:51:42 am
Yet we have no problem banking on the internet.  Why do you (anybody) think that is?
17094  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: AP: North Korea warns of possible unavoidable war with South Korea on: February 02, 2009, 10:48:38 am
I can't wait until this government collapses. I really do worry though that when Kim is on his death bed, he might say, "What the hell do I have to lose now?" and launch a few missiles.
That's my fear too.  It's always better to tie your dictators to a pole and shoot them when they grow too distasteful.
17095  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What is your most right wing/left wing political position? on: February 01, 2009, 03:49:43 pm
Right-people should be able to own fully automatic weapons

Left-victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes at all
17096  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: NWA Polling & Research Co. IX on: February 01, 2009, 12:14:53 pm
Most RPP/JCP voters pay negligible attention to Atlasia until their actual vote is called upon.
I might not post much down here, but I tend to keep up with the goings on.  I keep expecting fun to break out any day now. Smiley
17097  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Can anyone defend the Doc in the Cali octuplet dealy on: February 01, 2009, 09:40:25 am
I heard her Dad just went to Iraq "to make more money" or something.  I've heard/read in several places that she was single.  Here's the wiki (with links to the locations where the info was gathered)
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The octuplets' mother already had six children (ages 7, 6, 5, 3, and 2-year-old twins) before seeking fertility treatments again in 2008. She reportedly lives with her children and parents in Whittier, California,[11][14] on a cul-de-sac[11] in a neighborhood described as having small one- and two-story homes with two or three bedrooms,[14] in a largely lower- to middle-income Hispanic community. According to public records, the Suleman family filed for bankruptcy and abandoned another home in late 2007.[17][18][14] The octuplets' maternal grandfather Ed Suleman, in his early 60s[19] and identifying himself as a former Iraqi military man, says he is returning to his native Iraq as a translator and driver in order to financially support his daughter and her children.[14][20]

According to the Los Angeles Times, Nadya Suleman graduated from Cal State Fullerton in 2006 with a Bachelor of Science degree in child and adolescent development, and worked as a psychiatric technician until she was supposedly injured.[1]

The London Times reported that Suleman plans to embark on a career as a "television childcare expert," and her family is asking $3M from media interviews and commercial sponsors to help raise her 14 children.
17098  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why are you a member of the party you are? on: February 01, 2009, 05:07:17 am
    Because the Republicans were too socially conservative & economically leftist.
..and Dems are full of economic halfwits.
17099  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What party faction are you and why? on: February 01, 2009, 05:06:33 am
The non-BigFoot,UFO,truther (ie sane) wing of the Libertarian Party.
17100  General Discussion / History / Re: Does Obama have the potential to become one of the greatest president? on: February 01, 2009, 04:56:16 am
First, you need to explain why would/should care.  Second, I've been down roads that look like this before, they almost always end in disappointment.
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