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17101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 08:01:57 am
Excellent point.  The military didn't lose Vietnam, America did.  And America was right, it was a pointless bloody war.  America was wrong to turn their back on the troops though.  That is a lesson America seems to have learned.  We need to keep letting our govt know we've learned this lesson because the govt has, in a few cases, already turned their back on the troops.
17102  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What % of your meals contain meat? on: April 24, 2009, 07:51:30 am
I think a common "big breakfast" here is:

Eggs of some kind (over easy or scrambled, usually)
bacon or sausage
hash browns
pancakes

Then you kind of pour a lot of maple syrup on the pancakes and let it run into the sausage or bacon.

The Sugar Maple is an amazing tree.

Occasionally oatmeal, fresh fruit, or toast with jam is served.  Berries are especially popular in summer since they grow abundantly in the wild here.
I'd say that's a fairly traditional upper midwest "big" breakfast.  I prefer my eggs overhard, but I think scrambled is probably the most common way to serve them.  My wife likes them Sunny Side Up, the "goo" makes me want to vomit.

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You never see grits here.  Is that like Malt-o-meal?  I like malt-o-meal, but only with impossible amounts of butter, milk, and brown sugar.
Different here though.  They do eat grits at least as far north as St.Louis.  Not as common as in the south mind you and I'm pretty sure we used different toppings(I always had mine with butter and sugar...I believe salt and pepper is popular in the south), but still, I was aware of them growing up.  They are on the menu at all the local Dennys and IHOPs and what have you around here as well, but I don't know anybody that eats them.
17103  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel on: April 24, 2009, 07:40:25 am
Yawn.

^^^

Conservatives had a point when they criticized Al Gore for how much energy his mansion used. But give me a break... Politicians have to fly around a lot.
17104  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Banning Muslim headscarves on: April 24, 2009, 06:46:52 am
Yeah, I guess I do understand that they do think that way.  I just find it silly and selfish and we shouldn't put up with it. They should play by our rules or they shouldn't play (just like everybody else).
17105  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should transgender people tell their sexual partners they are transgender? on: April 24, 2009, 04:44:19 am
I don't think they have an ethical responsibility to, no.  It would be hard for it to not come up in a LTR without deceit.  Crappy situation.  I can't entirely blame people for being "turned off" by finding that kind of thing out about their partners, but anyone who would become incensed or openly disgusted should be ashamed of himself/herself.

Why should you be ashamed of being disgusted with something? Do you consider that a choice?
I started to post this as well but then I reread what Alcon posted.  I think he is agreeing with you (us).  He just thinks people should be ashamed if, when they find out the girl they've been hitting on was born a dude, their first reaction is violence or openly disgusted.  I might have a hard time hiding the initial disgust, but becoming a dick about it isn't the best course of action.


Now, if they tell you afterwords....I don't know.  I probably wouldn't be violent, but I'd certainly be pissed and would end the relationship post haste.


(unless I've missunderstood one or both of you)
17106  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 04:32:50 am
Not my fault if you're slow. From my first post I said that Vietnam was the biggest stain on his legacy and the he really screwed up the war.
.and you've since tried to say that Vietnam and Iraq were somehow equal (they aren't) and that's what started our little conversation here.

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First time I hear that. And if he wanted the Iraqis to topple Saddam he would have assisted them at least covertly. He did nothing like that.
The truth is, he didn't care about Saddam, as long as he was ousted from Kuwait. And perhaps he considered him a useful check to the growing influence of Iran. So your theory doesn't make much sense.
This ain't "my" theory Batman.  From wiki:
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A peace conference was held in Iraqi territory occupied by the coalition, where a cease fire agreement was negotiated and signed by both sides. At the conference, Iraq won the approval of the use of armed helicopters on their side of the temporary border, ostensibly for government transit due to the damage done to civilian transportation. Soon after, these helicopters, and much of the Iraqi armed forces, were refocused toward fighting against a Shiite uprising in the south. The rebellions were encouraged on 2 February 1991 by a broadcast on CIA run radio station The Voice of Free Iraq broadcasting out of Saudi Arabia. The Arabic service of the Voice of America supported the uprising by stating that the rebellion was large and that they soon would be liberated from Hussein.

In the North, Kurdish leaders took heart in American statements that they would support an uprising and began fighting, in the hopes of triggering a coup. However, when no American support was forthcoming, Iraqi generals remained loyal and brutally crushed the Kurdish troops. Millions of Kurds fled across the mountains to Kurdish areas of Turkey and Iran. These incidents would later result in no-fly zones being established in both the North and the South of Iraq. In Kuwait, the Emir was restored and suspected Iraqi collaborators were repressed. Eventually, over 400,000 people were expelled from the country, including a large number of Palestinians (due to their support of and collaboration with Hussein).
Yeah, he (daddy Bush) messed up here.  He should have helped the revolt more.  That was, in my opinion, the biggest mistake of the first Gulf War, hanging the Kurds and Shiites out to dry when we left.
17107  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 03:34:18 am
So saying that LBJ was stupid is a defense of him?
Wait, you haven't been defending him.  See, I told you I was confused.
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And if you can enlighten us about Poppy Bush's motives for not invading Iraq and toppling Saddam you are more than welcome. Because silly me was under the impression that he knew that such a course of action would create an unmanageable mess, not unlike the one in Vietnam.
Like what happened when we actually did invade Iraq?  Errr wait, no, Iraq never did turn into Vietnam....and every second W. hater trying to equate the two didn't make it any more true.  I was under the impression that the left had finally wised up to this, but apparently everyone hasn't gotten the memo yet.

Bush didn't topple Saddam in 1991 because he assumed (incorrectly) the Iraqis would do it for him, it had nothing to do with Vietnam.  Nobody, outside of the ignorant with an agenda, has ever thought Iraq could turn into something as horrible as Vietnam.  They didn't go into Iraq 1991 because they feared it would turn into what it turned into when Bush II went in in 2003.  cite
Quote from: A World Transformed by Bush 1998
Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.

..and before you or somebody else jumps on that and says "that's exactly what Vietnam was!" I ask you to again recall the death totals and the way we left.
17108  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Banning Muslim headscarves on: April 24, 2009, 03:18:28 am
I don't give two sh**ts what somebody wears on their head, but there are some places and jobs where having your face covered is a bad idea.  If these people feel that a "strange" man must never see their face then they probably shouldn't go to places that require it or do jobs that require it.

And that's what I never can understand about religious fanatics, if letting a dude get into your taxi with his seeing eye dog is some how going to send you to hell, maybe you should look for a line of work where you won't run into blind guys with dogs.  If handling pork is a nono, don't work in a butcher or a grocery store.  If strangers can't see your face, maybe getting a drivers license is a bad idea.
17109  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 02:18:16 am
You think that's what kept Daddy Bush out of Iraq?  Odd.

Anyway, you start out by saying Bush should have known better because of how stupid LBJ was.  I question why you don't fault LBJ for not learning that lesson from somebody else in history.  You counter that Presidents can only learn from mistakes of past Presidents (but only if they are smart enough), as if mistakes by other people couldn't be learned from.

I know it's easy to make up excuses for our own, but you guys have raised this to an art form with LBJ.
17110  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Should transgender people tell their sexual partners they are transgender? on: April 24, 2009, 02:09:03 am
At what point do you tell somebody your with that you were once a chick?  After the third date?  Right before you start going "steady"?  Right before you propose?  On the Honeymoon?  Never?
17111  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Westboro Baptist Church on: April 24, 2009, 01:45:27 am
Find out where they parked and leave empty bags of sugar near their gas caps.

(don't actually put the sugar in the tank, just make them think you did)
17112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 01:41:00 am
Each of your posts just confuses me more and more.
17113  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 01:10:13 am
Obviously US Presidents can only learn from the mistakes of past US Presidents.
17114  Forum Community / Forum Community / Should transgender people tell their sexual partners they are transgender? on: April 24, 2009, 01:07:09 am
(I wasn't sure where to put this, none of the forums seem to fit well.)

Would it be ethical not to?

..and no, I didn't have an exciting weekend or anything like that, just something I read on another forum and thought it might lead to an interesting discussion here.
17115  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 24, 2009, 12:48:25 am
Nobody for LBJ to have learned from I guess.
17116  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Constitutional Convention / Re: Parliamentary Bicameralism (Motion at Vote) on: April 24, 2009, 12:31:42 am
aye
17117  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the Preceding Poster's Signature Thread IV on: April 24, 2009, 12:24:36 am
I don't think the math flows perfectly on the top one, but I agree with the overall theme.
17118  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Want to do some petty crime? Move to Contra Costa California on: April 23, 2009, 11:39:01 pm
Translation (as I see it):

The excessive budget cuts which have been made to our office make it impossible for us to do our job.  We are essentially going to have to triage which cases to prosecute and which to let go because we don't have the resources to go after all the crooks.

Therefore, we are making this public threat that if you want a district attorney's office you have to pay for it, the courts do not run on magical libertarian pixie dust(TM).  Hopefully you will come to your senses and restore funding.  Otherwise, consider the consequences to be on your head.
You are probably correct.  Still, they should could have come up with a better way than this.

Like what?  Sprinkling the DA's office with magical libertarian pixie dust™?

You can't just get away with "well, they could ahve come up with a better way"

You're right... raise taxes. 
Isn't that what they are going to have to do anyway?  Or take away other city services.

Add a subtle jab at something you associate with here.
17119  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1964 Republican Primaries on: April 23, 2009, 11:28:51 pm
Goldwater or Stassen
17120  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 23, 2009, 11:22:12 pm
How was Iraq dumber than Vietnam?  We had no great reasons to go to either place.  One left us embarrassed and defeated, the other left us slightly less embarrassed and not defeated.  (and one killed 6 million people while the other...ahem, only killed 1 million.

I know we've all been singing together about how horrible a mistake Iraq was for the past 5 years, but it's minor compared to the cluster  that was getting involved in Vietnam.  I suspect that ones love for LBJ and hatred of Bush blinds them to that truth.
17121  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Want to do some petty crime? Move to Contra Costa California on: April 23, 2009, 11:09:25 pm
Translation (as I see it):

The excessive budget cuts which have been made to our office make it impossible for us to do our job.  We are essentially going to have to triage which cases to prosecute and which to let go because we don't have the resources to go after all the crooks.

Therefore, we are making this public threat that if you want a district attorney's office you have to pay for it, the courts do not run on magical libertarian pixie dust(TM).  Hopefully you will come to your senses and restore funding.  Otherwise, consider the consequences to be on your head.
You are probably correct.  Still, they should could have come up with a better way than this.
17122  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RNC faction unveils fail-safe new strategy for reclaiming the majority on: April 23, 2009, 11:06:11 pm
Perhaps we should just rename the GOP the Corporate Christian Capitalist Party... You know.. the CCCP.

Brilliant!
17123  General Politics / International General Discussion / Training manual for Chinese police leaked online on: April 23, 2009, 06:04:18 am
EEEGADS!
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"In dealing with the subject, take care to leave no blood on the face, no wounds on the body, and no people in the vicinity," states the manual, entitled Practices of City Administration Enforcement.

The book was reportedly designed as a training guide for the Chengguan, a type of police force that is charged with targeting anyone it feels is disrupting the peace, ridding China's cities of illegal street hawkers and unlicensed taxi cabs, and checking permits.

The Chengguan are widely reviled in China, and their heavy-handed methods frequently result in serious injuries or death. At the end of March, several thousand people in Nanchong, in Sichuan, rioted after a Chengguan officer seriously injured a student.

Three years ago in Shanghai, Chengguan officers beat Li Binghao, a 39-year-old man who intervened in a dispute, to death, according to Xinhua, the state news agency. "Officials who use violence are rarely investigated or held accountable," said the goup China Human Rights Defenders in reference to the Chengguan.

According to the Southern Metropolis Daily newspaper, an official with the Beijing municipal bureau of city administration and law enforcement confirmed that the training manual was genuine and had been used in official training sessions.
<snip>
17124  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 23, 2009, 05:58:47 am
You have to also consider how the conflicts turned out, we left Vietnam with our tail between our legs.  Iraq hasn't gone as swimmingly as it should have or we would have liked for it to have gone, but the end result (at least up until 2009) is looking much better than what happened to Southeast Asia after we pulled out.

Iraq and Vietnam are not equal travesties.
17125  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Lyndon Johnson on: April 23, 2009, 04:20:24 am
Correct, it was started by the French and JFK (and to a lesser extent, Ike).  How do you feel about those entities?  LBJ just took the ball and ran with it.

Also, wasn't the Communist threat, at least in the case of Vietnam, imaginary as well?

And then there is this:
South Vietnamese civilian dead: 1,581,000*
Cambodian civilian dead: ~700,000*
North Vietnamese civilian dead: ~3,000,000*
Laotian civilian dead: ~50,000*

Iraq War ~1,000,000 (total)
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