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17101  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: I have a question on: June 24, 2008, 08:52:25 pm
Why do people think they are entitled to big programs?
17102  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia General Discussion on: June 24, 2008, 06:54:08 pm
Add to that the fact Russia (or more specifically Moscow) already has a missile shield...
cite?

A-135.
Ah, I thought you meant they had something that would work Smiley
17103  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hurricane Katrina vs. Devastating Iowa 500 Year Flood on: June 24, 2008, 06:45:38 pm
Saying they have nothing to do with each other.  Denial.  <-<
17104  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hurricane Katrina vs. Devastating Iowa 500 Year Flood on: June 24, 2008, 06:38:27 pm
Given the racist crap that spews from a couple of forum member keyboards, I am surprised I have not seen this version of the email circulated here.
The anti-Sem....errrr, anti-Zionists are going to blame this on the Jews too?
17105  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What kind of mobile phone do you have ? on: June 24, 2008, 01:22:46 pm
17106  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Invite 5 people to dinner throughout history. Who would they be and why on: June 24, 2008, 07:54:27 am
Xahar, stop digging up threads to post your post count Tongue

I think this thread is actually pretty interesting.
I'm sure there are plenty of interesting threads from way back, they don't all warrant rehashing
Proper forum etiquette would be to start a new thread with the same subject, possibly linking to the old one as a reference.  Proper forum etiquette is average at best here.  Bumping 4 year old threads is generally looked down upon, but especially if you don't note in the bumping post that you are in fact bumping the thread.

and I'd eat with:
Jesus
Archimedes
Julius Caesar
Mark Twain
Hitler

and since I'd have all these famous dead people I figure I could convince a couple of living people to play waiters for the evening.
John Stossel
Walter Williams
Penn Jillette
17107  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you rather live in Florida or Iowa? on: June 24, 2008, 07:37:02 am
Jacksonville isn't horrible.....well, for you it would be I suppose.  The rest of the state does suck for a variety of reasons.

Corn>Mickey
17108  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which major East Coast/Northeast metro area would you rather live in? on: June 24, 2008, 07:35:22 am
NYC by far.  I'm loving the fact that Boston is getting shut out.
17109  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia General Discussion on: June 24, 2008, 07:24:59 am
Let Putin continue his work.  In my opinion it's much more in the interests of the US and the Western World for Russia to remain strong rather than implode and be exploited by China.  If we play our cards right maybe we can even turn Russia into an ally.
You had them already as an ally, but you blew it by encouraging (that's how it looked to the Russians) the economic collapse and by treating them as vanquished enemies.
Letting former S.S.R.'s become NATO members didn't hurt either.
17110  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia General Discussion on: June 24, 2008, 07:22:52 am
Add to that the fact Russia (or more specifically Moscow) already has a missile shield...
cite?
17111  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hurricane Katrina vs. Devastating Iowa 500 Year Flood on: June 24, 2008, 07:17:15 am
There could have only been 150 deaths if Nagin was competent and tens of thousands of idiots chose to leave instead of stay.
17112  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are you a Xahar Democrat? on: June 23, 2008, 12:51:22 pm
Wealth has a lot more to do with birth rates than does ideology.  Leftist economic policies will die because they will continue to prove they don't work.  Sadly it will take a lot longer than 20 years.
17113  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Russia General Discussion on: June 23, 2008, 12:28:14 pm
Could the west have a war with Russia that doesn't go nuclear?
17114  General Discussion / History / Re: Atlas Person of the Decade: 2000s on: June 22, 2008, 12:14:57 pm
OBL.  Without OBL Bush would have been done in 4 and would have turned into the next Gerry Ford, a joke.
17115  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: where do you wish to be buried? on: June 22, 2008, 09:57:29 am
Don't care/whatever is cheapest
17116  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: where did your grandparents die (assuming they have died) on: June 22, 2008, 09:55:37 am
Mom's dad-Jerseyville IL
Mom's mom-Eldred IL
Dad's dad-Alton IL
Dad's mom-Alton IL
17117  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Would you vote for Ted Stevens? on: June 22, 2008, 09:54:21 am
Of course not.
17118  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is profanity sinful/morally wrong? on: June 21, 2008, 07:23:31 pm
I don't put that much power in individual words.

This was always the correct stance to me. The intent and meaning behind the use of arbitrarily deemed "profane" words in its context is what I always regarded as potentially sinful. I've held this position steadfastly for a long time and convinced many devout believers (including my own family) that this was scripture's intention.

In the same breath, our culture has deemed these words offensive for whatever reason (or lack thereof, more often than that). With that in mind, it's probably best to abstain in order not to cause a fellow believer to stumble or confuse the mind of a non-believer into thinking you are being a hypocrite if they don't understand the nuances. See Romans 14, which, while not specifically addressing the use of culturally offensive words (such an idea did not exist when scripture was written), contains tenets that I think aptly apply.

What we arrive at is, not surprisingly, that their usage as sinfully or morally wrong (from a Christian perspective) is a grey area. In mixed company, however, it is better to abstain for their sake.
Yep, that's what I would have said if I wasn't lazy Smiley
17119  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who won't be here two years from now? on: June 21, 2008, 07:11:58 pm
I'll be here until "the man" shuts it down.
17120  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: If Jesus Christ had lived today... on: June 21, 2008, 08:49:36 am
He would be crucified again.  By today's "religious right".
This seems to be the most accurate post on the thread.
Right, because they are always crucifying people claiming to be Jesus.  I dislike the Fundie right as much as anybody, but this kind of thing just makes you guys look like fools.

No, not at all.  They "crucify" people on a regular basis for preaching love, mercy, peace, compassion and inclusion. 

Think about this.

Jesus was all about reconciliation.  He brought a small businessman and a tax collector into his inner circle.  Now, the small businessman was Peter -- a fiery fisherman with a blazing temper.  Matthew was a tax collector.  And unlike today's tax collector, who is collecting filthy lucre for OUR government...Matthew was collecting taxes for Rome.  He was a Quisling.  He was kissing the ass of the occupying power, collecting taxes from his own people (almost certainly cheating them in the process) and then handing the cash over to the Romans (but likely taking a healthy cut for himself).

Jesus goes to Matthew's house for dinner.  In addition to the whores and outcasts in attendance, there are Matthew and his traitor-to-Israel buddies.  Sitting and dining with Jesus.  In Zeffirelli's wonderful Jesus of Nazareth, the scene is imagined this way:  Peter sulks outside Matthew's door.  Peter likes this Jesus.  He wants to follow him.  But Jesus has gone too far.  Now, he's sitting with the kind of Jew who would collect taxes for the Nazis.  He won't come in.  He begged Jesus not to go.  He warned him that he was taking things too far.

But sitting in Matthew's luxurious parlor, Jesus says, "I want to tell you a story..."  And he speaks of the prodigal son.  I don't know if it unfolded exactly as Zeffirelli imagined, but it hardly matters.

People who forgive the sins of collaborators (to say nothing of embracing those who sin differently than the majority) usually end up on a cross.  Either literally or figuratively.
If you meant "crucify" originally you should of put the quotes in.  I'm a little slow sometimes you see.  I agree that Christianity, as it's generally practiced today, is pretty far from the way Jesus would like it to be.  I'm not as sure as you that the majority would criticize the guy today, but I agree, an uncomfortable number of them would.
17121  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is profanity sinful/morally wrong? on: June 21, 2008, 08:37:22 am
I don't put that much power in individual words.
17122  General Discussion / History / Re: Electoral Reruns: 1789 on: June 21, 2008, 08:24:04 am
Benjamin Lincoln and George Washington
17123  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Pedophile Killers on: June 21, 2008, 08:02:42 am
Sure.  We're (normally, there is no "regular" libertarian.  I know that's shocking to those of you with the wide brushes.) pretty big on the punishment side of things.  We think people should be consistently praised and rewarded for doing good and consistently punished and criticized for doing wrong. 
17124  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: where were your parents born? on: June 21, 2008, 07:33:57 am
Moms-Carrolton IL
Dads-Alton IL
17125  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Of the four preceeding Atlasians, pick the ticket that would receive your vote on: June 21, 2008, 07:33:07 am
AkSaber/King
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